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XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 27 2010 21:29 GMT
#141
Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia.

I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well.
Adonai bless
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
April 27 2010 21:34 GMT
#142
On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote:
I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you.


i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson.

On April 27 2010 16:24 XeliN wrote:
I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum.


while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted?
in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
April 27 2010 21:39 GMT
#143
On April 28 2010 06:29 XeliN wrote:
Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia.

I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well.


in any other game, i would've probably also voted for abenson but since this is such a small game, i didn't. i just feel like you rushed your vote. atleast you are explaining yourself and looking more green to me. brownbear and hobbes on the other hand need to start talking.

Vote: BrownBear
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
April 27 2010 21:42 GMT
#144
On April 28 2010 01:32 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
I will try to be more active today, but this game is pretty inactive in general right now.


the only reason this game is inactive is because people like you are used to skating by in big games where 70% of the posts are made by veterans. you need to start reading closely and sharing your opinions instead of whining about the activity. it's funny to me that people think posting stuff like this will magically get the game going.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
April 28 2010 00:14 GMT
#145
On April 28 2010 06:34 johnnyspazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2010 09:27 Radfield wrote:
I think most people's mafia sense started tingling after the LAL post. However, I'm going to hold onto my vote for now. Remember it only takes 5 to lynch, and we still have 24hrs to get our votes in. Until we have 9 active posters I still think we need to put pressure on people: Johnnyspazz, Brownbear and (NyC)Hobbes I'm looking at you.


i'm not really sure why mafia killed radfield but this is the only post i could find where he attacks people. i would like brownbear and hobbes to talk about why they voted for abenson.

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2010 16:24 XeliN wrote:
I don't see that I have that much explaining to do, the first vote of any game is pretty much a crapshoot and Abenson pretty much outlined that he wasn't not being very useful. I was against them initially rushing to vote for Abenson based almost entirely on his LaL posting but then he carried on being unuseful and providing no defence for himself other than accusing people of being scum.


while this is true, did you truly think abenson was scum when you voted?
in a small game without extra blue roles, lynching is our only way to kill mafia so we don't want to waste lynches. imo, it's better to keep obvious greens alive because it's one more person the mafia have to use a kp on.

It's interesting that you'd bring up Radfield's comment and then try to link it with asking others to justify Abenson's lynch. It's even more interesting that you'd link Abenson with the term "obvious green." Who else would you say is an actual obvious green? Would you call yourself an obvious green, and why?
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
April 28 2010 02:19 GMT
#146
no i wouldn't call myself an obvious green but i would say i'm trying to be pro-town
in my mind abenson was an obvious green and thats why i didn't vote for him. his posts weren't particularly scummy to me. your vote while partially justified also confuses me because all abenson did was bring up an underlying point in all mafia games.
"The big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money usually costs a lot less." -Brendan Behan
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 28 2010 02:43 GMT
#147
This is a PM conversation I have had with d3_cresentia, read from the bottom up, first message is his to me
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From: d3_crescentia [ 1353 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: are you green?
Date: 4/28/10 11:25
I asked if you were green. You said you wouldn't say your role but that you're pro-town. This lead me to believe you were blue, not green - which is why I brought up the curious case of Shockeyy and Ace. Now you say you don't actually have a night action?

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Original Message:
I never said I had a night action, where are you getting this from?

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Original Message:
who did you use your night action on?

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Original Message:
lol is it really that curious that I would say that, what were you expecting "no actually I am mafia!"

On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest?

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Original Message:
Curious that you'd say that. It reminds of the one time when Shockeyy roleclaimed to Ace in PM and then Ace got lynched him for it. I think I now understand why Ace did that, even though Shockeyy flipped blue.

Did Radfield say anything interesting last night? Sort of curious.

I don't have a strong opinion on Johnny yet, but I think I know a way about how to get more information. What about BrownBear?

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Original Message:
You are correct sir! Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town.

What are your thoughts on Johnny? im wavering between him actually being suspicious or me just thinking he is because he jumped on an opportunity to cast suspicion on me and tbh i always tend to think people who accuse me are red when I am a town role. Korynne seems somewhat consistent with his posting style in the other mafia game and on a purely statistical basis he is more likely to be green in that one so good sign possibly.

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Original Message:
I think you are green



Quite frankly I think it is exceptionally scumlike, he is essentially trying to guage whether or not I am a blue role (or possibly double bluffing trying to see if I am red will no doubt be his argument) but this is most certainly not something that a pro-town player would do, everything about it reeks of scumlike behaviour tbh and currently my Vote is on: d3_cresentia
Adonai bless
d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
April 28 2010 03:30 GMT
#148
I'm sorry, I thought you had actually claimed blue to me in your original PM. "Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town" actually led me to think you were claiming that you could be blue - if you had left it purely at "yeah I'm pro-town" it would have been a different scenario. Want to know why I brought up Ace/Shockeyy? Because if you *had* claimed blue to me right off the bat, I would have pushed for your lynch so hard your head would be rolling by now.

But hey, if you want to lynch me that's okay. I'll even help you on the way, since it seems like there's nothing in the rules against it. If I'm actually town, the mafia should be jumping with joy to see another townie lynched... but if I'm mafia I'm pretty sure that my own comrade wouldn't vote for me, right? I suppose it all depends on what I flip, and if you're *really* that interested come vote and see.

Vote: d3_crescentia
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
April 28 2010 04:07 GMT
#149
XeliN, that would be with HER posting style ...and SHE is more likely... xD

Anyway. There does seem to be an abrupt change of conversation to the night action thing. Last thing XeliN mentions before being "cut off" is:
On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest?

I don't really know what to make of that... I mean d3 already voted for RoL so we know his opinion of that. I guess his Johnny plan won't really work very well now that XeliN exposed the intent...

Uh d3, what are you doing...
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XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 28 2010 04:29 GMT
#150
RoL, hobbes, brown, get involved. There should be no mafia games where people are allowed to get away with inactivity so please start contributing so we can actually try to analyse people, otherwise we are going to be forced to vote out inactives. This is pretty well known but games where people are allowed to get away with inactivity are only good for mafia.

And editing posts is not allowed I'm afraid Kor so your a guy for now!
Adonai bless
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
April 28 2010 04:36 GMT
#151
Yeah seriously people, get involved. Lynching one of you three would be a terrible use of lynching, but I'm afraid that might have to happen.

Say we do catch the active mafia, and one of those 3 is the other mafia, then we have no way of making a decision. Likewise, if 2 of those 3 are mafia, then it's very hard for whoever's left alive by the end of the day to judge which of the 3 are mafia because they've posted so little.

However if we lynch one of the inactives the chances of us catching the mafia is like 0~2/3 at best.

Clearly the solution is for you people not to be inactive. Help your town out!!
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
April 28 2010 04:51 GMT
#152
On April 28 2010 06:39 johnnyspazz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2010 06:29 XeliN wrote:
Ah, I think you're right johnny, he phrased it weirdly and at the time seemed like he was just accusing them of being mafia, what is your response to my justification//explanation of the thought process behind my voting? considering it is my voting (and the way it seemed to contradict with things I had written earlier) that seems to be the main argument for me being potential mafia.

I have explained it as fully I can and I hope explained it relatively well.


in any other game, i would've probably also voted for abenson but since this is such a small game, i didn't. i just feel like you rushed your vote. atleast you are explaining yourself and looking more green to me. brownbear and hobbes on the other hand need to start talking.

Vote: BrownBear



Shit, now I have to defend myself in both games?

I voted for Abenson for 3 reasons:

1. I read Korynne's post:
QUOTE]On April 26 2010 06:44 Korynne wrote:
Vote Abenson

Reason: He's brought up rather stupid things twice already, which is way more than anyone else.

#1 LAL Policy
Pretty impossible to verify obviously, not to mention if we catch someone lying we can easily deal with it (ie. someone is mafia, lies and says he is townie, lynch him, no brainer. someone is medic and lies and says he is townie to protect himself, obviously we shouldn't lynch him).

Either way, this is such an arbitrary idea and plenty of people have poked plenty of holes in it.

#2 Someone claiming DT and lynching a townie
Well DUH if someone claims he rolechecked someone and claims that the rolecheck turns out mafia then CLEARLY the guy is lying and is either mafia or a COMPLETELY RETARDED townie
If you are townie and you think someone is scum you don't claim them to be mafia through rolecheck. You provide good evidence to town that he is mafia and get him lynched that way.

Completely dumb example. >.>

Given that this is day 1, I don't think I will find someone else who is being as distracting to the town (this reminds me of BM assassin plan in the other mafia game where everyone just ends up talking about it for like 5 pages even though it's completely useless) so I am voting for Abenson unless something else turns out.[/QUOTE]

and it makes sense. I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb.

2. Abenson's track record. He tends to go inactive and be useless. We usually don't have anything to go on on day 1 anyway, so, hey, y'know, that's at least a starting point. Is it kind of a crapshoot? Yes, but then, most day 1 voting is.


3. At that point, there were 5 votes on Abenson already, so my vote essentially did not matter. I could have voted for anyone and Abenson still would have been lynched. So why do you care?

As for who to vote for today: Looks like today's punching bag of choice is d3, at least so far, so lets analyze!

First, XeliN's PM:

On April 28 2010 11:43 XeliN wrote:
This is a PM conversation I have had with d3_cresentia, read from the bottom up, first message is his to me
+ Show Spoiler +


From: d3_crescentia [ 1353 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Re: are you green?
Date: 4/28/10 11:25
I asked if you were green. You said you wouldn't say your role but that you're pro-town. This lead me to believe you were blue, not green - which is why I brought up the curious case of Shockeyy and Ace. Now you say you don't actually have a night action?

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Original Message:
I never said I had a night action, where are you getting this from?

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Original Message:
who did you use your night action on?

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Original Message:
lol is it really that curious that I would say that, what were you expecting "no actually I am mafia!"

On brownbear, to me there just simply seems too little info to go on, he has posted sparcely but done nothing overtly mafialike to me and I am far more concerned with others, RoL for one thing as he has had no input whatsoever so far this game. Whats your plan to get more info on Johnny or is it one your keeping close to the chest?

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Original Message:
Curious that you'd say that. It reminds of the one time when Shockeyy roleclaimed to Ace in PM and then Ace got lynched him for it. I think I now understand why Ace did that, even though Shockeyy flipped blue.

Did Radfield say anything interesting last night? Sort of curious.

I don't have a strong opinion on Johnny yet, but I think I know a way about how to get more information. What about BrownBear?

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Original Message:
You are correct sir! Won't say my actual role but yeah I am pro-town.

What are your thoughts on Johnny? im wavering between him actually being suspicious or me just thinking he is because he jumped on an opportunity to cast suspicion on me and tbh i always tend to think people who accuse me are red when I am a town role. Korynne seems somewhat consistent with his posting style in the other mafia game and on a purely statistical basis he is more likely to be green in that one so good sign possibly.

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Original Message:
I think you are green



Quite frankly I think it is exceptionally scumlike, he is essentially trying to guage whether or not I am a blue role (or possibly double bluffing trying to see if I am red will no doubt be his argument) but this is most certainly not something that a pro-town player would do, everything about it reeks of scumlike behaviour tbh and currently my Vote is on: d3_cresentia


Furthermore, here is Bill Murray's list of potential layouts (it's Radfield's quote, but it's still correct):

On April 25 2010 00:55 Radfield wrote:

We have 4 possible setup options:

Setup 1
1 roleblocker
1 goon
5 townies
1 detective
1 medic
-
Setup 2
1 mafia goon
1 mafia roleblocker
7 townies
-
Setup 3
2 mafia goons
1 cop
6 townies
-
Setup 4
2 mafia goons
1 medic
6 townies





Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action?

Either:
You are scum,
You are actually blue, but you're just an idiot.

Afterwards, he votes for himself. Out of spite? If he really were blue, he'd probably be defending himself far more vigorously. Thus, I think he's scum.

Vote: d3_cresentia
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
April 28 2010 04:54 GMT
#153
Oh BrownBear,

Thank you so much. Let's get this out of the way, first.

Vote: BrownBear
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
April 28 2010 04:55 GMT
#154
BROWNBEAR, learn to preview your posts so quotes are broken. >.>

*goes to actually read your post*
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d3_crescentia
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4054 Posts
April 28 2010 05:18 GMT
#155
For one thing, You've completely misread the conversation. Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action, not me, as Xelin posted a conversation where *I* was supposedly trying to discern if *he* was blue. Your first critical mistake, perhaps simply an error in reading. A little side note: cop and detective are actually the same thing, but I digress.

Secondly, your vote DID matter, as there were only 3 votes on Abenson (myself, Korynne, Hobbes) at the time, and yours was the fourth. This is your second critical mistake - misrepresenting your own voting history. On that note, XeliN's vote was the one that decided it, and while I'd be happy to see what color he actually flips I'm fairly certain that you're the better target.

Your last critical mistake - posting an analysis that wasn't really an analysis at all, all so you could have a reason to jump on my bandwagon. Any player with a significant stake in the situation would rush forward to defend themselves vigorously, no matter if s/he was blue OR red (or some green with a massive sense of self-importance). Either your reading comprehension is severely lacking, or that you're deliberately misrepresenting the situation. In any case, it's not something we want to see in a pro-town player.

The other thing about it is that I actually don't care if I die so long as it gets a few reds in the process. You've just shown yourself to be pretty red now, though we'll see if you actually turn out to be scum or just embarrassed. =]

So, care to revise your thoughts, BrownBear?
once, not long ago, there was a moon here
Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
April 28 2010 05:22 GMT
#156
Woah guys stop voting so fast. >.<;;

You realize 2 votes puts us at L-[# of mafia alive].

Notice how our options are: cop, medic, detective. All of these have a night action. Yet d3 says he has none. Whoops. If you were green, you would have just claimed "townie" and that would have been it. So you're either blue or red, but you have no night action?


Uh, isn't cop and detective the same thing? -.- I'm confused about what you meant at all in that quote...
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XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
April 28 2010 05:59 GMT
#157
For anyone else who is thinking of voting cresentia because they agree with the reasons I layed out for why I consider him likely mafia, please hold off on doing so. I impatiently rushed my first day vote on Abenson as their was little to discuss or talk about and i always consider the first vote a crapshoot. Now however, we have a wealth of things to discuss and players I'd like to see contribute, RoL and Hobbes, and like to hear Johnny's take on things now and assuming d3's vote is actually allowed it is only 1 more vote to lynch.

Cresentia you are acting most strangely this game compared to how you usually are in mafia games, your defence seams weak and illogical, you voted for yourself...? now you are still posting clear mistakes//lies in
Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action


No, I, Did, Not.

However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger.

I'm going to have to go over the other thread to try to get more of an idea on brown though.

Adonai bless
Bill Murray
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States9292 Posts
April 28 2010 06:13 GMT
#158
With 7 alive, it is 4 to lynch.
2 votes for brownbear (johnnyspazz, d3_crescentia)
2 votes for d3_crescentia (XeliN, BrownBear)
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johnnyspazz
Profile Joined April 2009
Taiwan1470 Posts
April 28 2010 06:22 GMT
#159
On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote:
Show nested quote +
Xelin's the one that's actually claimed that said he doesn't have a night action

No, I, Did, Not.
so xelin, why are you making such a big deal over something that's so trivial? d3 thought you had a night action and if you were green, you would just say, "i have no night action" and that would be the end of it. if you were blue, you would still stand by the same statement. now if you were scum, i'm guessing you would also do the same. however, you aren't doing this and it's quite puzzling to me. what harm could possibly come from claiming you have no night action?

On April 28 2010 14:59 XeliN wrote:
However, I agree with you that browns analysis does seem really lacking, but from what I know of you, you would highlight this, explain how how he is wrong in his reasoning and possibly place FoS because of it. Not jump to "Oh i had better lynch BrownBear now".. you really are acting unusually to me and it's making my thoughts that you are mafia all the stronger.
umm... did you read her post? d3 didn't just say, "brownbear, your analysis sucks." she poked many holes in brownbear's defense and specified exactly what was "wrong" with it. is this a pathetic attempt at trying to get the suspicion off your scum teammate?

On April 28 2010 13:51 BrownBear wrote:
I liked the LaL policy at first, but then I thought about it seriously, and yeah, it's pretty dumb.
LaL is only stupid if you use extreme examples to counter it. LaL is how every single mafia game should be played since nine times out of ten, the mafia players are lying. how can anyone say lynching liars is a bad thing? your defense is just plain awful; you make so many bad points. d3 has already pointed some of them out for me.

i wouldn't be surprised if both xelin and brownbear are both scum. right now, all of their posts reek of scum. can we lynch these two already?
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Korynne
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada990 Posts
April 28 2010 06:34 GMT
#160
Uh sorry, playing a game on the other comp, gimme 10 min. xD
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