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Altair, please leave me be when the night comes
To me anyway, the discussion at this point seems to be people flaming each other back and forth, largely due to inactivity. Again, this is my first time, but it seems counter intuitive to just flame back and forth when at this point we don't really know anything?
Lets make a plan!
Oh wait a minute, you did post in the thread now...but what the heck is this? Nothing in response to me? I guess I wouldn't take me very seriously either but please. Don't make it obvious on yourself.
The beauty of it is, I know you're all excited from this Ace-Caller argument and think you can post that and get away with it, but let me tell you: somebody always notices. Always the person who you least suspect too. And it may not be today or tomorrow, but in the future, someone will realize. And then you truly will have nothing to say and no response can save your own future.
Sorry I must've missed your post, but it really didn't say anything anyway. I still hold by the fact that BM's plan, while certainly not great or long term is better than anything else suggested, and it will at least get us the 15 votes we need.
Inf had a good criticism when he pointed out that BMs plan is counter intuitive to the Assassin's mission, but it just lays out a good systematic way of tracking people down.
Your vote for me was just as arbitrary as my counter vote on you, and I fully intend to change it if we can all agree on someone.
Just an idea, but could some of you fire hardened TLers offer up some good day 1 town strategies that have performed well in the past? It might help to re-focus the debate somewhat
I think Radfield is right in suggesting we go after inactives that won't get the mod hammer with our first lynch. That way regardless of whether we hit red or green, we will at least be narrowing down the field of players to those who will actually contribute and make the game more fun for everyone.
For example, whether or not we may feel that Caller is being scummy, it is day 1 and none of us really have anything concrete to go on besides the fact we may disagree with him. I just feel like it would be a waste to make an unfounded accusation and get rid of someone who is at least contributing to the game at large.
Just my two noob cents.
On April 19 2010 20:37 Radfield wrote:
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On April 19 2010 19:34 Bill Murray wrote:
On April 19 2010 18:55 Radfield wrote:
On April 19 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:
Ok. Time for some stuff.
First of all, theres a lot of people moaning that we should just lynch an inactive because we don't have enough information. These people should step it up. There is actually quite a bit of information out here to analyze. So instead of waiting for one of us to come up and hand you the information on a plate, please try to go through and look through posts organized by user.
First off, innocents.
A few people have caught my attention as very likely innocents. These people are:
All the people on this list have been posting rationally. (Ace would probably disagree with me on this about Caller, but from what I remember from Caller's previous games, he didn't post like this as mafia).
Time to pull out the accusation gun.
On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote:
I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on?
This is his first real post. He plays the I'm a newbie card, and proceeds to ask a question that is already being discussed. No contribution here. He also makes preemptive excuses for his posting, emphasizing that he is a newbie, but...you get the picture. Check out TL Mafia V for an example of Tricode pulling the same stunt. From experience, new pro-town players would not try to emphasize their newbiness, as it adds a burden for the town. On the other hand, new mafia players tend to use this to excuse their useless behavior. Panic usually sets in and they try to play the im confused card.
On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote:
Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum.
Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds.
More confusion. How ironic. Anyway...Ok...So its tiring trying to find out who is who...but you haven't said anything yet about what you HAVE found out. Oh you also say there's little information to go on? Yeah I'm sure its very tiring to look for information that's not there...in which case you might as well just have given up. Oops! Well, if you're so tired trying to information, surely you must have found at least something. Spit it out. We want to hear it.
Anyway, thats the one person who stuck out in my mind. Everyone should be looking for information instead of lying around and complaining how there is no information. Some information is there. And some of it we have to bring out so we get more information. From experience, mafia games are usually more stagnant when theres no pms. You can't call people out as effectively as you can in pmland, partially because of spam, and partially because people don't feel inclined to respond when theres more than one accusation out there. So for now, I'm going to switch strategies and only try to focus on one suspect at a time. I expect responses.
OK, then lets focus on one person at a time. First off, I don't think his statements about the double lynch are particularly scummy. We were discussing them at the time, and it DOES make some sense in a way to save them for when we have better information; better chance of netting two bad guys. Mind you, i'm against the idea and think we should use our first one at the earliest opportunity.
However, what did jump out at me ealier was this post:
On April 18 2010 17:18 Osmoses wrote:
I'm suspicious of Zona, his attack on BC seems forced somehow, too condescending, but also too fervent for both to be scum. Why is everyone, that is to say BM, focusing on the assasins anyway? It seems to me they are very unlikely to win in the end, as they will probably be lynched or killed by other assassins well before the end of the game.
Here's my supergenius plan: lynch the least active player, it's the quiet ones you gotta watch!
To my mind, Zona seemed quite legit at that point, and more importantly this was a bandwaggon vote, given that Bill Murray had stated he was voting Zona just prior. It seemed suspicious then so i noted it down.
The more I think about it, I do get townie vibes from you because of you putting FoS onto Osmoses. Being a little more experienced than you, and take this with a grain of salt because I am not the best town player as my play always appears scummy when im green, you shouldn't read into day 1 votes because it is the random voting stage of the game. analyze the wagons after someone is dead, though, as you can see patterns emerge. I've actually found a couple people on mafiascum that way.
I am actually starting to get suspicious of you Bill Murray. Not so much from your posting, but more from what seems to be going on around you.
First Osmosis bandwaggons a vote from you on a player who I had thought seemed quite legit. Second, two relatively inactive folks both come out in favour of your assassin plan, despite the fact that no one else can even understand your plan at first, let alone thinks it's a good idea.
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On April 19 2010 03:54 nbtnbt5 wrote:
What do we have to lose to try the plan out? It's not like we really having anything to base our lynchings on atm, and it seems like a reliable method of making the mafia take action.
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On April 19 2010 02:17 TheLardyGooser wrote:
I still think BMs plan makes the most sense if I understand it right. I feel like it would put the mafia at a much bigger disadvantage but I am still new at this?
A few other things which HAVE jumped out at me about your posting. You keep mentioning things like: being the miller, seeming scummy when green, always being green, being an obvious townie, etc. In addition, you seem to be encouraging people not to take your voting seriously. It seems very possible to me that after having been green for a few games in a row, you can simply use that excuse once you finally hit a red role.
I'm not trying to be harsh here, and I appreciate the advice you offered about day one votes, but all these little things seem to be adding up for me. What do other people think?
I don`t really care to listen to the BW calls about the BM plan. I addressed this with a post a few pages back... I definetly misunderstood it at first, but I still feel it is best plan out there by virtue of the fact it is the only plan out there, so prove me wrong I implore you.
At this point, all we have is a stupid witch hunt aimed with no evidence at people who are just being unpleasant.
As it stands right now for all of the people except RoL that have multiple votes we have followed the same stupid formula.
1) They are inactive, we call them out
2) Flame war starts
3) Votes get cast
If you were red wouldnt you maybe not want to be a huge dick to everyone and make them all look at you?
I am sorry but our governing philosophy right now is, if the guys a dick he must be red.
Out of the whole thread I feel like the only people that make any sense at this point (myself included) are Radfield, and IntotheWow.
We are all dead men
On April 20 2010 03:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
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On April 20 2010 03:38 Fishball wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:51 IntoTheWow wrote:
On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote?
Just an inactive vote placeholder.
Fair enough, it just looked like some random bandwagon was starting, looked off.
The bandwagon has grown.
Yeah, sadly, I don't like the justification for it. Had Rage proposed what he did earlier, it wouldn't look so bad. But when someone is really inactive then hops out of the shadows to point at someone and say "lynch him" seems off to me.
Reasons why this argument makes no sense:
-Its really more of a consolidation of the current sentiment than a random ``lynch him``
-It is the first attempt since BM's assassins creed to do anything cooperatively but yell at each other
-At this point there has been zero suspicion leveled at him, so why would he even try and redirect attention?
-RoL is actually the least active player, and even if we mis-lynch him it has the pragmatic effect of a) killing a lurking red or b) getting rid of a towny who is not contributing, not going to contribute and just wasting space
-Do you have a better idea? If so, lets hear it?