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On April 18 2010 15:52 madnessman wrote: LOL obvious mafia. Mafia!?!! 8( Voting an inactive seems the best option as someone else pointed out. Keep the most active playing, makes a more entertaining game. Since I'm new at Mafia games (at least online), I've got a question. What if the inactives play decisive roles? It kind of fucks up the balance right? Any previous experience here, where inactives left too little or too mania Mafia? edit: It still seems best to vote an inactive, big list to choose from. for now I'll pick RaGe since I can then brag on how I got him killed on IRC, but I'm open to suggestions! | ||
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On April 19 2010 05:42 Ace wrote: If you're inactive it doesn't matter if you have a good role. If you are inactive when the time comes to make a major contribution people won't listen because you haven't been doing much most of the game. Players that try to coast end up costing the town as we can currently see by activity levels. I see. That answers most of it. What about previous experience, did you ever get too little townies because of inactivity? On April 19 2010 05:42 flamewheel91 wrote: Remember that you can't edit your posts. If you need to correct something, just post again (mafia forum is apparently where it is okay to double post  ) ITW, for voting please visit this thread and vote in the fashion ##Vote [playername]Oops, I even read the rules, but somehow it slipped my mind. Old habits die hard. | ||
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On April 19 2010 05:50 Ace wrote: What do you mean by too little townies? Let say the game starts, you have 30 townies, 8 mafia and other roles. If you get 10 inactive people and all of them or 9 or 8 are townies, then you got yourself 20 townies vs 8 mafia (+ others). So the game shifts into the direction of the mafia since they have less things to go on, they have to get more suspicious of everyone and they have less time until they are all killed (unless I'm missing something). | ||
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As Radfield said, we should make a plan right now and set a basis not on who to vote, but how to. Based on what, or with what in mind. | ||
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On the other hand, I don't know if I missed some posts, but some people questioned stuff about your plan and you ignored their posts (AcrossFiveJulys I think was one). Care to explain? I'm all in for following a strategy, at least early on when we have nothing to work on, but we need to be consensus, not just ideas thrown around. To be honest I don't think we can use Assassins to our advantage, unless not early on. When they start rolling with role checks and kills maybe we can read them better. My idea right now is that we should vote an inactive, to keep the game more fun of course, but also because it's safer. You might end up killing an inactive townie, but at the same time you could kill an inactive mafia OR a mafia playing it quiet and disguising himself as an inactive. If you are a townie, you should be definitely be joining the discussion. The question of course is what inactive to lynch. I picked Caller initially, because he knew the game rules about modkill and everything, but he decided to stay quiet. He's talking now (after getting a good number of votes, don't know what to make on that yet), so I'm going to change my vote probably to follow the strategy I think works best for now. From the rest of the list of inactives I don't know how many of the others played before since this is my first time at TL Mafia. Ok, the ball is rolling, anyone has any ideas? previous game information on who on the list should be active but isn't? | ||
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On April 19 2010 12:02 Jugan wrote: yay <3 incognito. I think the plan should be to lynch that KF91 guy. Reason? | ||
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Anyone has been checking who the inactives are as of now? | ||
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KF91 (barely posted, always 1 or 2 lines) RebirthOfLegend Jugan (all 1 liners) Scaramanga (couple of 1 liners, pre-game) RaGe (only sign up post) [NyC]HoBbes (2 posts, with 1-3 lines) Fulgrim (1 post, 2 lines) JadeFist krndandaman nbtnbt5 (only 1 post asking how get info on day 1) Incognito (just subbed in, said he would make a big post) love1another (only 1 or 2 posts, and he already voted) jpak (only 1 post: "see you on day 1" when it was already day 1) motbob (only 2 posts, 1-2 lines) Ok, so I think picking one of these guys is the best course. If they have any previous server experienced, or were active in other parts of the forums but missed this, anything that's making them be quiet, etc. | ||
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Yours came out to be mostly 1-2 liners, without actually saying nothing in most of them, hence why you were on the list. About your attitude, it was not me who pointed it out, but a mod, you can ask them for an apology. | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:12 Jugan wrote: Your posting and change of story seems extremely suspicious, and you have now been put #1 on my suspect list. On April 19 2010 10:11 Jugan wrote: OH NOES!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!1!111!1!!!ONE!!11! | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If you compare his start to the game (one liners) to now, you would see the difference already, and wouldn't need to draw it out. I would even excuse most of his one liners as well, don't need much for the point or b) lack of real posting so far. Well at the point in which I made the list he had lots of 1-2 liners with little substance, save for 1 post. Most of those posts contained jokes/trolling/random crap. It could be very well be interpreted as a way to keep his name in the active people list without saying anything. I even asked him for reasons for his vote, and he said "my vote is as serious as it gets". Not like I didn't give him a chance. @ Jugan, I already explained some reasoning besides voting inactives. But since the thread seems to be kind of derailed, I guess I'll give you more, with the consequence of running some luring: accusing inactive might bring the silent mafia out. I don't know how many of you guys have played real life Mafia, but basically you pressure people into giving information. Since online they can take all the time they want to create a persona and what not, I figured making the list would bring some info up (excuses for not posting, counter-accusations) or at least fuel some discussion on what to do. Also someone mentioned, not asking for information, so I figured I would search all the info myself. If you disagree with my analysis you are free to open up all the thread like I did and read all the posts user by user to try to get something. | ||
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On April 19 2010 12:21 IntoTheWow wrote: Hard to take you seriously Seems like I missed and you too :p Well my plan more or less worked I got 2 of the people on my list to answer. And one was you, who I had some suspicious on!About tailoring: It adds some thought into the information and sparks discussion, maybe I should have written a lot more per each user, but I was kind of in hurry cause I was studying while doing that post. | ||
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On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote: just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote? Just an inactive vote placeholder. | ||
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jpak's death kind of does nothing, not bad for a first day lynch thought. I just got home from a long exam (longer than I thought it would be). I'll start reading more now, thought I skimmed quickly and there's not much in the last 4 pages. | ||
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Anyone else thinks the lynching went too swiftly when there was no consensus before as who to lynch? | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:00 Jugan wrote: Looks like I get to find out if I'm the miller tonight. How so? | ||
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Night ends in 30 hours give or take, right? | ||
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Thanks citi.zen. | ||
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Scaramanga has followed a weird pattern in posting too, but his posts have substance, so I'm not worried about him for now. People's posting that bother me right now: meeple and Abenson, but it could just be me. | ||
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About Ace: He started this little game on biding. The first thing I'm suspicious of is the way he distributed his fake money: + Show Spoiler + # Zona - $100 # CynanMachae - $100 # tree.hugger - $75 # d3_crescentia - $50 # KF91 - $100 # iNfuNdiBuLuM - $75 # RebirthOfLegend - $100 # BloodyC0bbler - $200 # Jugan - $30 # Scaramanga - $0 (get a job) # Bill Murray - $100 # Fishball - $85 # RaGe - $100 # Foolishness - $no # Scamp - $100 # Abenson - $90 # Caller - $175 # [NyC]HoBbes - $100 # meeple - $120 # Fulgrim - $70 # JadeFist - $100 # Roffles - $100 # krndandaman - $0 # Falcynn - $40 # nbtnbt5 - $60 # IntoTheWow - $100 # Incognito - $25 # love1another - $66 # AcrossFiveJulys - $50 # nAi.PrOtOsS - $0.50 # DarthThienAn - $60 # Radfield - $100 # TheLardyGooser - $80 # Osmoses - $2 # jpak - $21 # motbob - $100 # madnessman - $75 First, he gave BloodyC0bbler the most bidding power, even thought he has hardly participated so far. Point? Please don't say it's random. Then he says he gave Caller the most bidding power to make him fall for his trap. Makes sense with meeple riding 120$ and BC as well, but then again there's other suspicious people Foolishness no money? Did you know he was going to die? You could be an Assassin and then this game would make zero sense at all, since all it's doing is keeping you in the spotlish, either to be lynched or in Mafia eyes to take you down if they feel you are a threat. If you were a real detective, I don't think this helps too much, you are just instantly rallying people into what you want to do. You could very well make up whatever answer it fits you best as mafia. If somebody rolechecks anyone, you can make up whatever is the general idea of that person's role. Then again, with one detective down, it's hard to really know what you are up to. If somebody asks for a self-role check (like Jugan did) you can make up whatever you like, Townie would have a high % of nailing it. If you feel your plan might fall that way, you can just kill him during the night before revealing the role check and hence, knowing what the person's role was. I'm not sure why you are trying to pull this little game, it doesn't help the town at all in my opinion. At the same time I haven't played other Mafia games here, so I don't know if this is your general playstyle, or something you have done before. I will post more on other people soon, just want to stop some bandwagon that makes no sense. I suspect of Ace as much as I suspect of Caller. | ||
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If Ace wants Caller dead for some reason, he rallies us today, we lynch him, and we know he was bullshitting, ergo, we want to lynch him. The problem is, the moment this is made public, the Mafia roleblocker can kick in, and we are down one Vigilante already. | ||
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From that list I start looking at meeple, Zona, Abenson and RoL. Zona gave some interesting logical way to play for day 1, plus argued against BC's post pretty fast, which I disagreed with too. Then he posted something interesting about claiming to be detective on day 1, which made me wonder about ace. So I went to look for the rest. RoL's posts have been pretty weak in terms of logic. Lots of spam and filling. Same with Abenson, plus he's "inactive". But still managed to rally along with RoL to lynch jpak. And at pretty close times. Meeple is weird. One moment I feel he's trying too hard to defend himself, kind of like his desperate. Things that made me suspect of meeple were his "anti double lynch" post. But I don't know what else to make of him. Then there's the inactives who don't post at all, but still make it on the voting. motbob for example, posted very little, still managed to change his votes. Means he has at least followed some of the thread to change his mind, but still decided not to post. I need to read more t_t, brb. | ||
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Also, I mentioned in my other post I was going to post more stuff, but I did want to get out that part out of first, to see what people thought of it. | ||
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I was right thought, Caller didn't seem THAT suspicious to me. I mean, he made some mistakes in terms of the list logic and something else, but he still went after the people most of "the town" suspects of. In the last pages, there was a point of no return for him, and he knew it, so he didn't really bother trying to make a case for himself but rather trying to figure out what was happening with BC + Ace. Also, I see some people pointing me as Mafia, what? Check posting history people. I see a lot of people just making conjectures based on conjectures from other players. I would also check on people who were silent during Caller's bandwagoning. As a mafia the best thing to do seems to just ride the "Ace is DT" logic from some pages ago, see Caller turning green (I guess the mafia didn't expect him to be Miller) and then blame it on Ace. In the case of Ace not being scum, the mafia would have just cleared Caller and Ace and it would be Ace's fault, not the people bandwagoning behind him. I hope the above is understandable, I just came from uni and my brain is a fried egg. | ||
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I see lots of people saying Vigis should hit, but who? I would look into some of the silent guys :/ The ones posting, we can read, but we can't anything with people who barely post. I know this was brought up on like day 1, but back then people said that silent players would die later on easily, but I don't see how. It would suck to kill our townies if the mafia happens to be hiding beside inactives. Have to do some reading on the previous pages, but I wanted to post since I'm going to be away all day tomorrow due to university. | ||
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I don't agree about nAi.Protoss thought, I used to think he was mafia too (but right now, after 1 day I have lost some ideas why, I need to re-read his history). I say we take a bet on nai.Protoss + BC / RoL. I know it's kind of risky, but if we hit 1, we get their KP down. With the hit on BC / RoL we get some info on the other. Assassins should definitely hit inactives as you pointed out, as an assassin I would look into voting histories, some people have been voting with the masses and moving votes (meaning they have been reading the thread) but barely post. It would suck to have more inactive townies, we already had too many : / From the list your provided, If i were an assassin I would hit Fishball, JadeFist or motbob. Those three seem to be the ones voting and following the thread at least a little, but staying under the radar, not posting in general. | ||
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On April 24 2010 13:52 Ace wrote: If there's a Vigilante left and he/she was Roleblocked that just means he/she gets to shoot someone else tonight. Once again that's going to be the scummiest/most useless player we have. And that my friends will be revealed before this day is over. Don't worry I already have 2 players in mind. I can't wait till the game is over to see what happened on the first days in terms of rolechecks / medic / vigi hits. I feel I'm going to be dissapointed. | ||
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On April 24 2010 16:04 Ace wrote: So I was looking back to figure out how that first scum died with Foolishness bombing the poor sap. Going through his posts the only 3 names once again pop up to me: Rage, Scamp and Incognito. Of course I'm going to ignore Rage for now. Scamp and Incognito are the only 2 players I think besides d3_crescentia I need to resolve right now. On April 20 2010 11:19 d3_crescentia wrote: Get RaGe checked tonight. If he's scum, then we can lynch him; if not then we keep an eye on him. Ace, put my $50 on RaGe, for all it's worth. And no, judging by the OP Assassins don't cause the game to end if they fulfill their victory conditions. I know you probably saw this, but checking one, probably clears the other, at least for now. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:43 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well I can't hate on you for getting analysis out there, since it's what everyone needs to be doing instead of posting useless garbage. So props. But some things you said about me simply are, well, factually incorrect or misguided. I already explained my inactivity in another post. Real life shit; I am a busy man. Here I am posting and making up for lost time though. I'm not sure why you think it's suspicious that I'm contributing to the town. Look at all the players that aren't contributing anything. It sounds like your concerned that I'm contributing, but not contributing enough. That's fine, I'll try to be more direct in my posts. I never bothered posting any sort of town plan in this game, largely since this game is not about specific town plans - e.g. Bodyguard plans or Assassin plans - but largely about town activity and discussion, which is why i was trying to post helpful information and thoughts about general playing strategy that will best benefit the town. Additionally, why do I have to post aggressively to be town? I have never been a particularly aggressive player, except that one time in Mini Mafia I where the town lynched me and I was the medic and I got really mad (jerks). You say I was never suspicious of anybody..., right after a quote of my DT list of people I thought were suspicious. I'll add a couple more: Caller Abenson (strangely quiet) meeple - same as others RoL - based on my previous analysis Scaramanga - probably pretending to be useless anyway i ask people to continue the incog idea of player-beneath-you analysis. hopefully this will get some inactives out of the woodworks when they see their name in the thread. Caller turned to be miller Abenson (strangely quiet) townie meeple - same as others ? RoL - based on my previous analysis assassin Scaramanga ? Italics by me ofc. | ||
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Things I thought about: On April 24 2010 16:34 Ace wrote: Cool, I probably don't have to rolecheck you tonight anymore. I'm not really sure how to check this, but it seems weird that if the Mafia targeted Incognito and didn't kill him, they didn't go for him again. Also what does Incognito gain from telling this to us? Anything? Maybe diverting some medic protection from Ace? Thought if Mafia targetted Ace with all their KP, it seems weird they would need to lure medics away. Of course Ace saw something like this before On April 24 2010 16:04 Ace wrote: So I was looking back to figure out how that first scum died with Foolishness bombing the poor sap. Going through his posts the only 3 names once again pop up to me: Rage, Scamp and Incognito. Of course I'm going to ignore Rage for now. Scamp and Incognito are the only 2 players I think besides d3_crescentia I need to resolve right now. On April 24 2010 15:29 Ace wrote: whatever, either way so far from reading back it looks like Rage/d3_crescentia seem to be good role checks along with Scaramanga and Incognito. This way when the role claims come out tomorrow I can let you guys know who's pro-town off the bat. Not too worried about lurking scum yet because they are always easily caught in the end game. If we are to follow Ace's advice (he turned to be a Detective, so he must know something), we should check on the active players. RaGe is 'somehow' active. d3_crescentia has been posting quite a lot, but from what I remember he was pretty pro-town, will need to re-check that now. Scaramanga is hiding as inactive which is weird considering we are kind into the game already. Incognito made some long posts which I'm reading right now. Scamp... I'm kind of lost with him. My plan as of now: check RaGe, d3, Scamp, Incognito as much as possible and figure a lynch plan asap, I think we will be needing the double lynch pretty soon. If you are town, please play an active role, staying quiet doesn't help at all. | ||
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I read some more of Scamp: - Against BM plan, with good points (no PM system, asking for role-claim, etc). - Agreed with lynching jpak on day 1 Active mafia would probably want to post garbage disguised as real info, just like TheLardyGooser did: "To me anyway, the discussion at this point seems to be people flaming each other back and forth, largely due to inactivity. Again, this is my first time, but it seems counter intuitive to just flame back and forth when at this point we don't really know anything? Lets make a plan!" Or just like iNfuNdiBuLuM: "Guys remember to check out the ZBOT thread, it will be a very useful tool in the near future. I wonder where Zona is though? Busy programming/making love to the robot? I'm sure he'll turn up." basically a bunch of captain obvious advice. Never calling names, never pointing a finger, or doubting of anyone beyond inactives. Double checking with Incognitos post history, I see actual train of thought in his posts. So it seems I rushed my last post too much. Ace just mentioned him a lot (along with the others) before getting killed by all mafia, maybe he mentioned one or more interesting names and they got scared? From Incognito's history I see RaGe as someone who's dropped of the FoS too fast. He proposed a town wide ban on whatever it was said pre-day 2. That basically would have given the mafia 4x2 kills free. By the way, let me remind of you of some words said by Incognito on day 2: If you're not going to bother stepping up your game now, don't expect us to believe you when you pop up tomorrow and try to defend yourself after we've accused you. Reminds me too much of meeple, only posting when accused. Same with Osmoses from what I remember. nAi.Protoss do the same too. I feel kind of lost with inactives as this is my first time on TL Mafia. Any veterans willing to give a word on playstyles? | ||
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On April 30 2010 12:48 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: Now edit your's because you just quoted it Are you afraid of something in special nAi.PrOtOsS? | ||
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I'm voting him and meeple as lynch targets. I think they are solid lynch options from the info we got from the previous weeks, all the constant defending themselves and not posting for anything more than that. If you are a townie you should do the same (and if you are not going to do the same, post why please). | ||
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On April 30 2010 16:20 Incognito wrote: *Sigh* whats the point anymore. No medic prots. 8-6 means it takes UNANIMOUS town consent to lynch a mafioso, because we need 8 votes to lynch, and the 6 mafioso are not going to vote for a mafioso if they can help it (or will switch right before there is a majority if they can). Given the large splits in the vote, it will be almost impossible to win. Right now I'm thinking Scara, nai.Protoss, and nbtnbt5 are strong candidates for mafia. Honestly, I don't get the reasoning for you ppl who are voting Scamp. From what I can gather, his early posts were pretty pro-town, and his recent posts haven't been too alerting. Even if he is mafia, we have better people to go after. Meeple also I think is an inferior lynch candidate. Meeple's behavior is not at all pro-town. Posting only when prodded. Useless posting, and sloppy medic list making. But meeple responded reasonably to my accusations, I feel. Like motbob said, retard townie v. mafia. I'm inclined to go for retard townie here and go for the other more suspicious people instead. Speaking of motbob, the night kills are a bit...interesting. Fishball accused Scara, and died, but motbob defended Scara as a retard townie, and died. I'm thinking that the night kills were probably attempted (partially successful?) blue snipes. Not sure what to make of the Scara business though. I'll think about this for a while, and either vote Scara/nbt or nai/nbt at this point. What do you guys think? Remember, we'll need complete unanimity to actually catch a scum. I agree with the 2 combos you proposed. Scara / nAi could work as well. | ||
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At the same time I feel the same as everyone, this is very hard to keep going right now :/ | ||
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Just discouraging, I guess that's the word.I'm going out in 1-1:30 hours, and I will be back to my PC in 25~ but it could be more, that's why I'm scared of missing the deadline. I don't have trouble changing my vote as long as it's for someone like Incognito who seems pretty pro- town. So I guess as of now, I will keep my vote as I left it unless Incognito posts again and rallies a different call. If he doesn't answer or nobody else does, I will leave it like my original vote (along with RaGe & company). | ||
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I'm following you Incognito. I suspect a lot from Scara, mainly due to "fake" inactivity. I understand people having problems 1 or 2 (mafia) days, but all game long? might as well leave the place for someone else, not a valid excuse. | ||
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