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On April 18 2010 13:20 BloodyC0bbler wrote: As for why I believe caller is more useful than Zona is purely because Zona reminds me too much of L. Thats never a good thing in my book. this | ||
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On April 19 2010 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I dont know. do you really think he'd expect to get away with the same thing for 2 games in a row? I thought something like this would happen. If this isn't a WifoM proposition I don't know what is. Anyways moving onwards~ It should be plainly obvious that we are way too concerned on trying to break the game using the assassins mechanic. I would categorize mafia activity to be the following: a) Let's take a look at last game. We had two types of mafia: quiet, incompetent players (like moi) and very town-friendly, experienced players (like shinbi-chan). I think we can roughly boil down mafia players like this as I have yet to see a "inexperienced" mafia play the town role convincingly and make productive posts. However: posting lists and making plans to kill random people is an L plan. Even if you are town placed, the fact is that you're killing random people for information. Which works as well as lynching someone that you pick out of a hat. Probably less so, because people would likely have made the list such that mafia would be safe in the annals, so they would not be exposed. In other words, I'm saying that this whole "assassins" plan is a load of crap. There's no need to worry about who's what assassin, as that simply exposes them all to each other. This is bad, because if all the assassins are dead then mafia has a much higher ability to outnumber town, especially because night KP has been reduced. Now onto this list: 1. Zona 6. iNfuNdiBuLuM 7. RebirthOfLegend 8. BloodyC0bbler 14. Foolishness 17. Ace 18. Caller 21. Fulgrim 28. Elemenope 37. motbob I would consider all of these guys (well, not that asshole in number 18) as being able to successfully pretend to be pro-town. Thus, do not assume that just because these players are speaking a lot means that they are pro-town. This does not mean they are good players, however. In fact, some of those players are really fucking bad. Also, if they are being quiet, that also doesn't mean that they are town, either. Basically, just watch out for people on this list, and don't trust them too early. Otherwise they can bandwagon for 3-4 days until it's too late. Similarly, players that are NOT on that list and are being very quiet, I would also keep an eye on. While inexperienced players probably feel pressure from more experienced players to simply follow orders, in fact I want to do two things this game: firstly, let inexperienced players have more discussion with experienced players, so we can bring up the level of mafia play here and not have a "let's not lynch obvious scummy bus driving insane dt that's actually japan caller" moment. Secondly, inexperienced players that are mafia are likely to give themselves away if they aren't vigilant. Thus, quiet inexperienced townies have absolutely no reason to not be talking. By speaking a lot we can see possible slip-ups by inexperienced mafia, and we get more discussion instead of having one or two guys railroad some guy off random analysis and "lol you fell into my trap." This brings me to my last point for now: Mafia tend to be far more cautious than town. When I was mafia, I am constantly afraid of saying something that would give me or my team away. Thus, I would constantly end up either saying nothing or something non-committal and vague. Something like this: On April 19 2010 06:07 meeple wrote: I really can't beleive BM's plan is getting support... I suppose that BC is being true to word and staying behind the scenes a bit... at least he hasn't pushed his plan forward at all. First day lynch has barely any chance of getting red, but it doesn't mean we shouldn't try. Lynching inactives is acceptableish... except that we start to forget the main purpose of the game... besides that there are way too many inactives to whittle away at. It seems that some people have decided that Bill Murray should be the first to go down tonight... I will support if necessary but I sort of question some of the newer players semi-blindlysupporting people. They will pop in just to say its a good plan and then speak nothing else of it. If you have supported something please say why you think its good, or what flaws it can possibly have. I would encourage people to look more closely at those posters and see if anyone stands out. I know that a common defense will be that he/she's a newbie to Mafia but I think there are at least some of them that look suspicious. Notice how basically he makes no contributions of his own, kind of meanders his way around without actually saying anything, and also implies that he knows more than meets the eye. I'm not saying meeple is mafia, but a post like this that's made out of paper and has no substance is the kind of material that scum love posting. Here's another piece of crap post: On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote: Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum. Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds. This is again a very non-committal post with a WifoM in the bottom of the first paragraph. And he also says all sorts of random bullshit and speculation about the game rules instead of talking about players. And because he's a relatively new player, I would put him pretty high on my suspect list, but I haven't really read the game so far as most of it I assume (rightfully) to be crap. On the other hand, a person that makes a post like this: On April 19 2010 05:56 Ace wrote: We can just lynch Caller since it's been shown when he doesn't post he's scum. If it wasn't for the fact that it was Ace, a post this early like this would be very town-aligned. Notice he's aggressively pushing for it, makes a contribution, and isn't full of bullshit. Now of course I claim my innocence like anybody else would, but still this is important. Notice that he goes charging in balls first like he doesn't give a damn. This early on, charging in and damning the torpedoes is a sign that a player is pro-town. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:26 Ace wrote: Caller that is some pretty bs logic you just used there. I'm obviously pro-town because I'm charging in balls first and don't give a damn? Even more interesting you came up with that long drivel after I called you out. So were you just lurking this thread this entire time? actually i was afk doing hw until I checked the thread again. And then I felt compelled to say something after Infundibulum's Wifom. And I didn't say you were pro-town. I said a maneuver like that among new players-taking risks early on, making gambles, not playing it safe-those are usually the ones who are more town aligned. Consider a game like this: One player has 4 Jacks and a King The other has 4 Jacks and a 2. The game is played with each player taking turns playing one card face down. Kings beat Jacks, and Jacks beat 2s, and 2s beat Kings . Jacks draw with other Jacks. This game obviously favors the player with the King, because on a strict-probability basis that player has a much higher chance to win. However: because of the intrinsic psychology involved, that player will tend to play that King later in the game because he feels no need to overextend himself. On the other hand, the player with the 2 has only one chance to win. Thus, he needs to gamble in order to win. Similarly: Mafia here have the advantage because they have a lot more information than we do. There is no need to overextend themselves right now and so they'll play safe until later in the game. Town, on the other hand, have no such inhibitions, because we have no information. They should be more willing to take gambles and risks that mafia won't especially when the information to town is limited. Shallow[bay] and Dr. Dragoon is an exception, but that only worked because that game was just a crappile of idiocy when nobody "knew" how to play. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:33 Foolishness wrote: Does anyone else besides me see the irony in this post?!?!? meeeeeee | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:36 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: I see it too much also you have to consider inexperienced players (such as myself) feel pressure to post early on so they don't get lynched for being inactive. mate i made you a post on how to act like a towny and how not to show yourself as mafia you could at least take some of the information to heart | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:43 Ace wrote: After reading Caller's last set of posts I don't think anyone can honestly say he's making sense lol. Fine Ace, let's make a bet. We lynch nai.protoss today. Let's see what affiliation he turns up. If he's town, then I volunteer myself to be lynched the following day. If he's scum, then your chainsaw defense speaks for itself. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:50 Ace wrote: How about I have a better bet: We lynch you for throwing around terms to make yourself sound smart when you don't know what they mean. That's not exactly a bet, seeing as how . And it's pretty obvious what the terms are. You may not read those statements as WifoM but I see an insinuation of such a statement behind it. And if you have nothing to fear from nai.Protoss flipping, especially when he's not contributing and proves that he's just flooding the thread with random, meaningless posts, then there's no reason for you to go after my throat directly and not simply demonstrate that I am a piece of shit by accepting the bet. The bet stands. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:57 IntoTheWow wrote: I raise. We lynch you today, then if you were right, we lynch nai.protoss lol I would accept, but lynching me proves absolutely nothing about anybody. When I flip innocent you can't pin anything on nai.protoss because I don't have any information about him, and he might really just be a new player that doesn't read other people's posts and instead worries about dying from inactivity. Lynching nai.protoss gives everybody some information about the affiliations of me and Ace. Especially when he hasn't posted since I accused him. Actually, Ace's refusal to take the bet is of a lot of interest. | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:01 madnessman wrote: How do we know you're not pulling an L? "Guys listen to me, if I'm wrong I volunteer myself." Next day: "Guys, anybody could have made that mistake. THIS time I know I'm right though, listen to me, let's lynch person X." -_- unlike L, I'm not mafia, and I will gladly vote for myself and post a "vote for me" multiple times in the thread. If I don't do that you can assume I'm mafia and lynch me anyways. | ||
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a) You think I'm mafia and am trying to take someone out with me before I go down. b) You are mafia and you know that nai.protoss is scummy and therefore may look bad on you. c) You are town but think nai.protoss is scummy and therefore may look bad on you. Let's think about your arguments for me being mafia: a) You say I don't make any sense in my arguments. Possibly true but not intentional. b) You say I don't know mafia terms properly. Possibly true but not intentional. c) You say that whenever I don't say anything I'm scum. This is not the case as anyone that has seen past games knows that I feign inactivity as town alignment as well as talk a lot as mafia alignment. You should know this seeing as how Showtime, BC, and I were all blabbing our mouths off in that hilarious game and yet we were all scum aligned. In other words, your entire argument for me basically boils down to being technical (and without any analysis for the rest of town to judge as they see fit). Right now, it is your word against mine. I'm willing to back my word with a promise to advocate my own lynch on day 2 (breaking it of course means I'm scum and should be lynched anyways). What about you? | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:11 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I actually thought Caller's first post was pretty good because it rerailed the town discussion away from BM's plan, which had been beat to death. He also identified the sort of non committal passerby posts that people need to watch for and remember. However, I'm not sure how he arrived at the conclusion that Ace's strong accusations are the signs of a pro-town player. The wifom part was incorrect, and the part about inexperienced players posting more is basically an obvious truthism; pointing out something like that has no bearing on his innocence or guilt and so garners no points from me. and why Nai Protoss all of a sudden? he's just about as useful as all the other semi-inactives. Killing him doesn't really tell us much at all, i don't think...and at least he's posting now that we're talking about him in the thread. To be honest, now that I read it again, your post wasn't as much of a WifoM as I had thought the first time. The reason I suspect nai.protoss now is because he demonstrated that while he reads the posts, he doesn't read the posts. Not only that, but he came out of nowhere to do the very thing I said not to do and left without responding to my allegations. I can see the situation very clearly (this happened to me multiple times in the previous mafia as follows): a) I make a retarded post. LMNOP and Shinbi-chan are like WTF CALLER UR A FUCKIN MORON b) They tell me to stfu and Shinbi-chan posts a load of bullcrap to derail anybody from noticing my fishy as shit posts. c) everything goes back to normal. What's to think the same thing didn't happen here? | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:18 Jugan wrote: why not make it 4 or 5. or even 6 or 7. or maybe 3... 3 days! Okay, something I need to point out here: You've basically been running around as if you're trying to suck my dick. You've also been posting useless crap and banalities and trolls. You clearly read my post because you acknowledge it, yet you make no attempt to do anything I said. I'm not entirely sure if you're trying to be ironic or what, but you just put yourself on my suspect list. | ||
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On April 19 2010 07:29 nAi.PrOtOsS wrote: If you look at other threads you will see this is my first game. The two mafia type players you described before were the quite members that pretty much agreed with townies and offered no opinion themselves, and the experienced mafia members which appeared to be extremely pro-town. Now why would an inexperienced member of the mafia do the exact thing that you just stated as showing mafia members. No reason what so ever. An inexperienced townie however that doesn't want to get lynched for being inactive, but also is to inexperienced to actually add anything to the conversation has nothing to lose from agreeing with the "experienced townie". You're already judging yourself to having nothing to add? Are you kidding? I'm telling you this now: whenever "experienced townies" take control of the town, town tends to lose pretty hard. Say something! We need people to think outside of the box, both in game and for the metagame. What do you have to say? Do you have anything to say? Would you even like to justify your vote for me? Just because some "big name" player with a x000 post count is talking doesn't mean they know what they're talking about. Look at me or L for instance. We need inexperienced players to think outside of the mafia box to give us better ideas for gameplay. Say something! | ||
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Reasoning: RebirthOfLegend (4) Fishball RaGe IntoTheWow Falcynn Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out. | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Makes sense, your making sense this game. what, BM making sense? definitely scum | ||
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Congratulations meeple and Infundibulum, you just earned yourself a place on my suspect list as 3rd and 4th voters. | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:23 Radfield wrote: Where did this Rage bandwagon come from!? Was his post really that suspicious? As far as I can tell, this post helps to focus the town down a road towards a lynch. Voting towards the "least active, most voted person" seems like a sound plan to get a lynch done. Perhaps you folks voting for Rage could elaborate a little more. I realize Caller's already posted a reason, but were that many people suddenly convinced? Caller's argument seemed a bit thin to me. On April 20 2010 04:07 RaGe wrote: .. thanks? Way to continue your spree of just spreading confusion. If you come up with a reason why this would hurt town I'll happily listen. But you just continue the problem I addressed. Is this really what you're going to do all mafia game? Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green". Town, we must unite. If my proposition doesn't suit you, shoot it down with reasoning. If we're going to allow any idea to be shot down with 'you are so red' I have no idea how people want to achieve something. If behavior inherently disrupts the town's chances of winning we should not hesitate to banish it. | ||
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On April 20 2010 07:47 meeple wrote: Well... nothing's certain... I don't feel jpak's scum but I'm voting for him because I want a lynch today. I feel Rage has a better chance of being scum tha jpak does. But who knows... we might yet see red blood tonight. ace call this player a bullshitter pls | ||
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i guarantee you that you're wasting your time. Just because we need a majority doesn't fucking mean lynching inactive townies is a good thing. This is a L strategy that usually ends up like this: On February 22 2010 09:40 L wrote: Well, I'm dead. Peace. seriously like wtf. Even if he's mafia who cares, by lynching him we get absolutely zero information. It's better to lynch people that alternative expression for act of reproduction give themselves away, play like plural provocative term also used for organisms of the feline species instead of taking risks, and people who change votes like gerund with a subject that rhymes with an intelligence hero from DotA wildfire. I am strongly against this lynch of jpak. Better to lynch Rage, who has been acting fishy and in line with several other fishy players, as well as #3/4 of the bandwagon, or even KF91 because he was already suspect in my book and #4 on the bandwagon. These players give us information if they turn out to be scum. We learn nothing from jpak. And why would mafia want to give us a free kill this early? They have no reason to, even if he's inactive. They have a great excuse right now to finish off jpak and waste a lynch and a possible innocent "oh its better to have a lynch than to have no lynch" which is the same kind of logic as this: On February 22 2010 03:09 L wrote: This just in: Caller admits to being mafia in pms. On February 22 2010 03:11 L wrote: So, essentially caller's trying to get the town to kill him instead of redtooth, but says he wants to help his side (why would he fucking claim mafia straight up?) and says he's not on redtooth's team (so why would he put himself up as a target?). The exact same play as when Ver tried to chump quickstriker in. Kill redtooth tonight. | ||
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On April 20 2010 08:30 meeple wrote: And when you say Rage or KF91... I support your Rage argument... but just because someone bandwagons doesn't make them mafia... in a game where majority rules bandwagons are necessary to get a lynch. Remind me what the reasoning behind this bandwagon was, and remind me who were the 3rd and 4th voters in the bandwagon and think about why they would be the most suspicious. | ||
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On April 20 2010 08:54 meeple wrote: So you state an idea with good reasoning, I agree and support it... then I'm suspicious. Please explain how that works. I dunno if spots 3 and 4 are mafia hotspots or something, since you mention it so much... a simple check reveals that about 75% of the time either the #3 or #4 voter in any bandwagon in TL mafia is scum (day 1 and 2, that is). You're the fourth, mate, and you seem to be agreeing with me, which is ALWAYS a bad sign. | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:05 Jugan wrote: Call has a point, only 32% of all statistics are made up on the spot. mate go check the games yourself i already did it and its 92% not 32% | ||
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On April 20 2010 09:10 Jugan wrote: The point is an arbitrary number can serve for it since the number itself is made up. Due to the fact that I was being sarcastic, I chose a number below 50% in mock support for your ridiculous assumption. And no, I will not look through every single game to see if the statistic made up happens to match up with a coincidence in other mafia games. well, you see, i actually looked through the games. Well not all of them but i did a SRS of which games to look at. I looked at 8 and 6 games had that phenomenon. And I was aware of your sarcasm, as you saw I picked 92%. Please don't try and lecture me if you're not going to backup your words. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv352/sirjamesthegood/DoubleFacePalm.jpg) see what i meant | ||
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On April 20 2010 10:43 Ace wrote: Wow my business is like, totally feeling the effects of this current economy. paradox of thrift imho | ||
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On April 20 2010 23:48 RaGe wrote: Well I propose if you role check me you get an official count of who's still suspicious of me, since a lot of people are refuting the claims against me now. At least that way you can be sure that people really want a rolecheck on me, and maybe we could get some clues from the arguments surrounding my proposition if it does happen and we get a list. Rage you have failed to explain any of my concerns that I have of you, each of which individual may be circumstantial but together are quite damning. Consider that: a) you type very cautiously and use words like town which, although neutral, give me the impression that you are trying not to be suspicious. b) you advocate not doing discussion on day 1, when in fact day 1 discussions are absolutely critical for further analysis. The only reason why you would want to shut down day 1 discussion (aside from forcing a lynch on a member of town, anyways) is because you want to hide or create a hiding ground for some of the inactives. It also creates less evidence: consider that mafia have a certain chance of slipping up. It only follows that the more a mafia talks the greater the chance that in one of his posts he will slip up. There's no reason to not encourage discussion, as the more townies talk the more choices mafia will have to shoot at tonight. This is especially true for mad hatters and veterans, who should be constantly being pro-town and trying to draw hits. c) you haven't actually contributed anything despite the fact that you've read the thread and had time to do so d) you nonetheless play the whole voice of reason card, which is something that Shinbi-chan did in the WaW game that although made him extremely pro-town served to hide his mafia intentions. e) You haven't responded to any of the accusations other than by saying "well nobody has said anything" or "my accusers have all backed down," or by saying someone who has criticized you on random grounds as being Is this really what you're going to do all mafia game? Call people out, offer no reasoning and when people call you out you either whine about being always accused or go "yeah just lynch me i'll be green". f) Anybody who plays the "town order and plan" card is suspicious because that is what I ALWAYS do when I'm mafia. Please respond promptly. | ||
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Consider the facts: every single piece of evidence I tossed at RaGe was flimsy and easily torn apart by simple, reasonable, logic. In fact look at my post history: Let's say RaGe is pro-town. Thus he would consider his ideas to be pro-town as well. Thus, anybody that goes against his ideas would be considered anti-town and thus a lynch candidate, or they're a stupid townie. Despite reality and statistics, people generally consider me a good player, so they automatically remove me from the idea of "stupid townie" even though that is usually my role. Thus the only apparent choice is that I'm anti-town and should therefore be lynched. This is especially because if RaGe truly was pro-town, and I not only go against him but accuse him with basically nonsense and nulltells, that this means that clearly I am mafia and he should advocate for my lynch. But we already know that several people consider me to be pro-town despite my complete lack of intelligible contributions. Going after me may be risky, especially because it draws attention to yourself. Now what would a townie think? a) who cares if I die, I have no role anyways, might as well go after Caller b/c he might be mafia godfather or smth!!!!oneoneone or b) this is too risky, if I die I might give too much information away, better to play it safe Remember what I said about how town and mafia play? Most inexperienced mafia tend to play it safe when they can. For instance, notice how Ace (before he went trollcore) was willing to put (well, not himself) but a lot of effort and also draw attention to himself (by the way he still hasn't analyzed my posts, can I pay money for that?) when he accused me. I defended myself, but anyone can see that I instinctively concluded that because he disagreed with me, and I'm pro-town, and he's an intelligent player, that therefore he must be anti-town. Everybody does this when faced with an accusation that's flimsy. Everybody. Even the most experienced players tend to get pissed off when this is the case. Yet what does RaGe do? He calmly dismantles my argument and then proceeds to pretend like I've done nothing wrong, aside from going against everything he thinks is pro-town (promoting unity or whatever horsehydro-evacuatedremainder he mentions of being pro-town. He himself has mentioned how he hasn't played in a while, so he's probably not pulling something sneaky here. And yet he proceeds to assume that I'm town, because he doesn't go after me at all and is like "you have a few reasonable points, etc." Why would anybody in their right mind do this? Look what even Jugen did when I accused him. He proceeded to burst a blood vessel in his criticism of me, even though it was pretty inarticulate and didn't really do anything to my credibility. Yet RaGe just kind of pretends it doesn't happen without any sort of retaliation. Unless you're the gosuest townie in the world, I think it's pretty easy to conclude what RaGe's true affiliation is. Please, regardless of who dies tonight, check this man out. | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:22 RaGe wrote: well since your post implies nothing else but mind reading capabilities, who's my #1 suspect according to you.. or wait.. who am I gonna kill tonight with my mafia powarz? I'm sure that wall of text was as much of a 'game' as the one before it. I'm just not sure what this one is trying to achieve. I hope you're a detective pretending to be a dumb townie oh no, this one isn't a game. this one is fully serious. explain to me the flaws with the logic you used last time, or can you not explain them? | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:21 Jugan wrote: What kind of cereal? Also, it would help if you actually quotes what rage said in your argument because sometimes it's a little tedious to keep having to go back and figure out what he said (as opposed to you loosely summarizing it) the bot has everybody's posts, just take a look at that. I don't want to be accused by "you're cherry-picking, etc." I want people to see it for themselves. | ||
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a) voting 3rd b) rapidly switching votes... to 3rd c) commentating on the result of the lynch | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:35 Jugan wrote: Caller would you mind displaying and analyzing some of rage's contradictions as proof to help yourself out? oh there's no contradictions. Just follow the logic, though. Give me another explanation for what he did. | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:42 DarthThienAn wrote: The calm response? Maybe he's a calm guy =o. that's the problem, though. He's too calm as if he knows more than he's letting on. | ||
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On April 21 2010 04:47 RaGe wrote: I can easily, like I could last time. However last time explaining how my ideas benefited town without accusing you netted me a more serious accusation. If I refute these ones, you might just use your same terrible logic to say THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I EXPECT MAFIA TO SAY again, no matter the content of my post. I'll explain myself if others really think it's necessary, but I think a lot of people know already know how I would reply (not cause I'm mafia EL OH EL, just cause it's very easy to see how stupid that post was). I guess you're just trying to prove my point about self levelling accusations. go for it prove it easily please | ||
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On April 21 2010 05:04 meeple wrote: You're barking up a non-existent tree Caller... Statistics don't imply anything. And yeah my suspicions of Rage are pretty much dissolved by now... Not to say he's completely scot-free but much less so than before. # WishyWashy voting (+10) # Third person on a wagon is likely to be mafia (+15) Day 2+ mafia errors * Gloating (any form of "complaining" about how bad the previous night was, how the doctor/cop was killed, etc.) Similar to "congratulating the doctor". | ||
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On April 21 2010 05:28 meeple wrote: 1) I changed votes because we needed a lynch 2) Yeah this doesn't mean anything 3) I do this frequently... look at previous games 1) this by itself isn't bad 2) oh yes it does 3) you did this twice when you were still alive the first time you did it you were medic and gave it blatantly away when you said the grace of a lucky medic the second time you did it you just said well that sucks and were townthis time you said "dang we lost one of our kp, etc." a bit different this time, eh? the other two games you played you were either dead or banned | ||
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On April 21 2010 05:37 Falcynn wrote: Wait...so Caller's argument against Rage is that Rage is way too calm in his defending of himself and as a result must be mafia? I realize I'm a total noob and am probably being premature with this but I'm giving a FoS (am I using this term right? just looked it up on that mafiascum wiki) to Caller, because it seems like he's purposely trying to sow discord with these "rules" he's using to spot mafia. Then again, as stated, he is a way more experienced player than me, but I still don't see the logic in the way he makes some of his accusations. if rage would just explain his thought process, which he claims is really easy, then he would have been done a long time ago. but instead he refuses to do so and instead claims that i'm just making stuff up. if you actually read my analysis of his thought process and compare that with his attitude that seems like he knows more than he actually does, then you might be able to see where I'm coming from. also, didn't you play mafia a while ago? Why are you playing the noob argument? | ||
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On April 21 2010 05:50 meeple wrote: It's not any different... and when I was a medic I didn't save that guy, so it wasn't like I was gloating about saving the guy. I was just congratulating the guy who did... which is ok isn't it? This time I say we lost a potential kp because we did... you're totally over-analyzing this a) doesn't matter, you still gave yourself away. b) try and cover up your freudian slip more | ||
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On April 21 2010 05:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You know, whenever caller makes a semi amount of sense that I think I might agree with him, I have to rethink that he can do such a thing. Bad caller, you should stick to your nonsensical ways so i can write you off everygame. sowwy On April 21 2010 05:56 Ace wrote: Hey guys, just to let you know Caller is Mafia. You should already be lining up to vote for him next day. I bet if I RC Rage tonight and he turns up innocent, Mafia would kill me and Caller would be like omg Rage killed Ace becuz he was unto him!!!!!one! sweet can i pay money to rolecheck this caller person to confirm he's mafia | ||
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On April 21 2010 06:29 KF91 wrote: As to what's been happening with Caller and Rage, I think Caller is either overreacting or he's mafia. Personally, I believe that a person who can defend themselves without freaking out seems more green than red. In a normal situation, a mafia (More the inexperienced mafia) that is being blamed would feel more nervous and therefore would post short, erratic posts trying to defend themselves. But what Rage has been doing is almost the complete opposite of that. His posts are composed well and I think that he defended himself correctly. As to his "Well if x acted like this in a previous mafia game, and y is now acting similar to x, he is mafia too!" statements, I believe that it has now come up twice in his posts. Once to defend himself (About the nai incident) and not to try to accuse Rage. Although I believe posting behaviours of individual people are important to consider (How BM points out how I must be scum because of my shortened post length, or even how BM isn't completely spamming every other minute in this game), I don't think entire situations where completely different people are involved should be used as precedent case. Also Caller, the whole 3rd/4th to bandwagon theory. I'm not going to argue about the fact that it happens 75% of the time, but currently it looks like that's all the basis you have to be suspicious of people (Most recently, of meeple). Although his commentary on the lynch should be analysed more throughly with previous posts and posts to come, I don't think your points 1 and 2 should really play into a basis of suspicion. Shouldn't posting behaviour be considered more important than the order of votes casted for a lynch? posts like this is why i'm running my one lynch mafia  | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:13 Ace wrote: Caller is quoting Mafia stats from another website and doesn't even know what they mean. Lynch him he's just trying to confuse you. The 3rd/4th person to vote on a bandwagon = scum theory stems from the fact that in a 9-12 player game scum want to influence the bandwagon (get it rolling) without being the hammer vote on a Majority lynch. Hence, since you need 7 people to lynch on a 12 player game, being 3rd/4th if you're scum doesn't look fishy. This is a 38 player game. Lol. Caller has once again bullshited you guys. He has 0 clue what he is saying. Oh I sent in my role check for IntotheWow. Someone bid higher or else thats what I get back tonight! shhhh they dont realize this yet | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:20 Ace wrote: Man I'm so awesome. Found scum on my first try. almost as good as L in pinning the godfather mayor | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:22 Ace wrote: for a scum that's just waltzing around town in the open you sure are a cool dude. you should put that $$ to use and bid on someone else though. i already asked if i could put money on myself | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:25 Ace wrote: oh damn I didn't see it. Ok sure why not? How much you bidding? all-in | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:28 Ace wrote: Ok cool. I just sent a new PM changing my RC from Intothewow to you. Don't kill me though cuz it'd really suck to die with all that hard earned cash. don't worry i'll tell all the mafia I know not to kill you | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:29 Ace wrote: Nice. You really are a compassionate scumlord. i try "work is freedom" i like to say | ||
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I Rage. OHSHI- | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:42 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: No, you are right that there is a lot of strange reasoning in Caller's post. I don't remember him using these sorts of arguments in past games. do you remember me using any arguments in past games/ | ||
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who's capable of blue sniping? Zona Ace BloodyCobbler (he's REALLY good at it) me Incognito | ||
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let's get that man | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: It is sad that this night we would see the deaths of the likes of these. Let us salute our fallen comrades. Radfield, the noble detective. Foolishness, the valiant madhatter. Hobbes, the honorable medic. Although we wished to not be enemies to the red, and to live in harmony as we both go about our individual ways. WHY COULDN'T WE JUST LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE? chezinu? | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:37 Ace wrote: STOP THE GAME! Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia Lets get this shit. sweet let's lynch that motherfucker | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:41 Ace wrote: because I'm pro. I wasn't joking about the player that bids highest gets to set the rolecheck. Of course I gave Caller mad phat l00t and like a sap he used it thinking his bluff would scare me. LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Lynch that Mafia scum! I caught him Day 1 without a role check, then I caught him Night 1 with my role check. <---pro If you want to learn how to hunt scum follow my lead fools! i'm not sure who's doing a better job making fun of L right now | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: i kind of believe you. i'm going to go for a smoke and think about this. caller was a lot more afk as mafia at the start of WaW wasnt he? he definitely was if i recall correctly he only posted after those other guys told him what to do and basically he disappeared after he got accused like that until he got accused again. obvious scum. | ||
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I'm not even going to bother trying to defend myself here because it's patently obvious that I'm getting bandwagoned and nobody's listening to me. Here's what you do need to know once you find out that I'm a townie. A) Ace still has not accepted my bet with him to have nai.protoss lynched to determine my and possibly his affiliation. More importantly, nai.protoss has jumped out of nowhere to proceed to attack me, because I would just like to point out that since Caller is now proven to be mafia and he tried to take me out near the start when he was under risk of being lynched, I am clearly not mafia. Although I am also proving your point that I only post to defend myself and I am semi-inactive. But until I find time to sift through all these posts and come up with a good arguement for why somone is mafia I don't have anything to post. I think it should be fairly obvious that with an idiotic comment like that, once I flip town it should be apparent that nai.protoss is just a stupid townie. No mafia member would ever say something like that EVER. In fact, mafia would be sure to leave a "assuming Ace isn't bullshitting" remark. Someone like... Rolechecked red, and has been making some pretty loose intuition-based attacks on ppl. No strong solid evidence here, so nothing of redeeming value. I guess the rolecheck does it for me. The only reason I could see for Ace lying like that was if he was mafia. I don't think he's that "L"ish to sabotage his own team, so he's probably telling the truth if town. Since its not exactly the best time to sac a mafia member (a mafia death would mean a KP drop), its highly unlikely that Ace really is mafia in this situation imo. I'll let you figure out who that is. But is Ace a DT? Quite likely. Did he check me? Quite likely. Is he playing rationally? No. It should be fairly obvious that he's trying to spite town here. Look at his attitude change. While it is true that I grossly misrepresented several random pieces of mafiascum terminology, it should also be apparent that the people I attacked were already suspect. RaGe has gone silent since Ace arrived with his high and mighty RC (the one that I personally asked for, twice, I might add). B) I'm not the only one playing for the metagame here. I hope that when I die you look back on my posts that you notice that I was imitating a very certain someone who isn't in this game  C) IntotheWow is appearing to know too much. Look at this post. First, he gave BloodyC0bbler the most bidding power, even thought he has hardly participated so far. Point? Please don't say it's random. Then he says he gave Caller the most bidding power to make him fall for his trap. Makes sense with meeple riding 120$ and BC as well, but then again there's other suspicious people Foolishness no money? Did you know he was going to die? You could be an Assassin and then this game would make zero sense at all, since all it's doing is keeping you in the spotlish, either to be lynched or in Mafia eyes to take you down if they feel you are a threat. If you were a real detective, I don't think this helps too much, you are just instantly rallying people into what you want to do. You could very well make up whatever answer it fits you best as mafia. If somebody rolechecks anyone, you can make up whatever is the general idea of that person's role. Then again, with one detective down, it's hard to really know what you are up to. If somebody asks for a self-role check (like Jugan did) you can make up whatever you like, Townie would have a high % of nailing it. If you feel your plan might fall that way, you can just kill him during the night before revealing the role check and hence, knowing what the person's role was. I'm not sure why you are trying to pull this little game, it doesn't help the town at all in my opinion. At the same time I haven't played other Mafia games here, so I don't know if this is your general playstyle, or something you have done before. I will post more on other people soon, just want to stop some bandwagon that makes no sense. I suspect of Ace as much as I suspect of Caller. Someone that wants to stop a "no sense" bandwagon, even though it's fairly obvious that he firstly joined one (RoL Day 1) and suspects Ace heavily, yet failed to mention the primary hilarious part, which was quite frankly that I was the one that asked for my own rolecheck. No mafia player ever would do something as risky as that. Why would I go out of my way to do that when I could have instead picked RaGe or meeple, people that were high on my suspect list? It's because it was patently obvious to me that Ace was going the "fuck y'all i'm a boss" strategy. It's an admirable strategy but clearly I either didn't anticipate I was miller or that Ace would be willing to go to such extremes In other words, ITW is playing too intelligently for someone who's a newbie to TL mafia. Either he is a super mafia genius that will sweep town to victory, or he's scum. D) BC is a liar. You were pissed at me in Ace's Mafia World because I had pardoned you (and guaranteed your death by mafia the next day) and as a result you were unable to tell us the 6 or so mafia that you pinned by Day 2. Don't give me that "I'm bad at behavior" bullshit. This man is scum. E) I'm terrible at this game. Don't ever listen to my advice. Seriously. This game is meant to show you how bad I am at this game. Veteran =/= good. By the same token, since I played just like a certain "veteran" player, you should get the implication. Summary: -Once I flip town, you know this means: -Ace is innocent. Nai.Protoss is innocent. -ITW and BC are scum. Meeple is also highly likely scum. 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On April 21 2010 15:20 meeple wrote: Yearghh... I'm so tired of being picked apart... but I have been playing sloppily so I suppose I deserve it. Alright..Time to go through my posts and do some retrospective: Rage - He posted very carefully... something that I would expect from a smart mafia. My suspicion of him has greatly lessened of late. TheLardyGooser - And he was red... Where are all the other people that I pointed the finger at? Please show me my posts because I can't see to find them. The two listed in my latest post? I gave reasons for why I suspected them in the post. I never said that we should lynch them now... in fact if anything it was just a starting point for later analysis, and of course we couldn't learn anything from lynching them... that's why I voted to lynch Caller... He gives us valuable information. A FoS doesn't mean intent to lynch... I make it rather clear that the ideas are still being formulated. My medic list wasn't random... and I defended it to Incog already... if anything the fact that I was right about two of the people on there should exonerate me somewhat. If you think I have the balls to kill off two of the people on my list then I appreciate it, but yeah I'm much too safe a player for that. There are many more suspects of course but I focussed on ones that previously had perhaps been overlooked. I'm not just going to echo sentiments that other people have said. The amount that you've grossly exaggerated my failings here are outstanding... Where are the "many" people that I accused? Why is my medic list random, when I explained pretty thoroughly how I went about making it? My slip-up with forgetting that elemenope was replaced by incog is understandable in a game with 38 people in it. clearly mafia here. Why are we even doubting this? | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:22 Ace wrote: lol wow Caller and BC are both just terrible scum. Caller's last post is full of nonsense like him flipping town means I'm obviously town and nai.protoss is town too when the guy has nothing to do with Caller. BC keeps trying to bullshit the town into thinking I asked to Vigi 2 players when I said just one of you. BC even said it's ok to lynch him, when I said I'd have a Vigi shoot him but he throws a fit. Scum logic go go go go go! oh ace you never make me tire of laughing | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:24 Ace wrote: Oh and BC the difference between me and L is that my scumdar is really fucking good. It's going BEEP BEEP BEEP right now! Keep talking though, the more you misread posts and open your mouth the better RoLs Rolecheck looks to Vigilantes. *Click Click* i agree please hit BC tonight today if possible | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:25 meeple wrote: I play safe, therefore I'm mafia... cmon Caller you can do better than that. What's stopping me from being a safe townie? Good sir, you're not only suspicious but you justify your lack of taking risky actions as making you a good player. That's an outright load of horseL. If you're really a townie that you claim you are just now, then you should be doing a lot more than making a Lload of mistakes or by defending yourself with whatever bullL you come up with. Again: LYNCH ITW, MEEPLE, MOTBOB, HIT BC TONIGHT Now if you excuse me I have to take a L. | ||
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BC is scum Ace couldn't give a flying L what his role is | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Care to stake money on your read of me caller? how much are you willing to bet on your read of me i like to hedge my bets | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I would do 1:1 ratio on it. I'd give you a more favourable bet but well, with two of my major resources this game cut, im 1/3rd of a bc. yeah well i'm terrible so i'll give you .8:1 odds because of simple probability. | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: If your insanely terrible, I guess I am as well, our list of suspects mesh up somewhat lul When you get out BC, promise me this: go to a town called Baxton, up in Maine. There's a long rock wall with a big oak tree at the north end. It's like something out of a Robert Frost poem. It's where I asked my wife to marry me. We went there for a picnic and made love under that oak and I asked and she said yes. Promise me, BC. If you ever get out... find that spot. At the base of that wall, you'll find a rock that has no earthly business in a Maine hayfield. Piece of black, volcanic glass. There's something buried under it I want you to have. | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:50 Bill Murray wrote: NOBODY CARES - this one's for foolishness  NOBODY CARES | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:54 Bill Murray wrote: u cant nobody cares a nobody cares :p I JUST DID NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU HAVE TO SAY | ||
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NOBODY CARES | ||
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please it'll help me get into grad school | ||
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go to sleep you have too many posts | ||
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On April 21 2010 16:04 Bill Murray wrote: no u fine i will L. | ||
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go vote for double lynch | ||
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ive already explained that ace isn't mafia | ||
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On April 22 2010 04:21 Ace wrote: Hey you're dead Scum. Keep it quiet. IM NOT DEAD IM BIG BONED | ||
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