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 I'd say the best bet is to try and figure out what we're dealing with. 8 Mafia members vs "30" Town depending on the number of Assassins. With a KP of 4, if the Town wanted an invincible player that means we'd need 4 Medics. I'd go with the assumption we have 3 medics at the very least, so that the town has no way of having invincible confirmed players (excusing Mafia Roleblock) and the mod made it so that if the Mafia wanted to they can kill anyone but waste all of their KP doing so. Town KP without lynches comes down Vigilantes and Hatters. Being that Vigis are better than Hatters I'd count their KP as stronger and with a Mafia KP of 4 the town KP can't be that much higher if it even is. 4 Town KP sounds good to start off with, so let's assume 2 Vigilantes and 1 Hatter? God forbid we have 2 Vigis and 2 Hatters though v_v. question for the mod: If a Hatter is roleblocked by the Mafia and then killed are his/her bombs are nullified? | ||
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As for Double Lynches - don't use them until you have to. "Killing for information" is one of the dumbest and frankly most scummy excuses players come up with to off Townies. There are other ways to get information besides lynching. Only use double lynches where we have situations such as Player A or B have to be scum due to conflicting role claims/investigations. This obviously also applies to role claimed Hatters with bombs on scum or 2 scum caught in a crossfire. We don't lynch people for the sake of information we lynch them because we think they are scum. It also doesn't matter if there are only 20 people left in the game to vote on a double lynch. If 2 people are found to be scum and some players are seriously arguing we shouldn't vote on a Double Lynch well then that just kind of tells you what their motives are doesn't it? Stupid scum are pretty cool to play against. So BC I really need to have you explain why leaving any of us 3 to die would be wise? You've even said the 3 of us should take a backseat and let everyone else play as if that would somehow help the Town win in the long run. I'm actually kind of laughing you'd acknowledge Caller as more useful than Zona too. | ||
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No one is playing this game relying on Detectives to win right? If you are a Detective assuming nothing like wild Day 1 roleclaims happen investigate the scummiest person on Day 1. This means guys posting nonsense or just being overall useless with posts that say nothing or just parrot what others have said. Vigilantes, seriously hold your shots unless you are damn sure the person is scum and by that I mean it's generally echoed in the thread the person isn't playing to help the Town win. Of course, as a Vigilante I also shoot useless Town players. This is just as good as killing scum as this helps you win the end game so much easier. | ||
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On April 18 2010 20:18 Osmoses wrote: Ace, if newbies weren't allowed, there'd be no games, period. Your bitching doesn't help anyone get better. Actually I wasn't even talking about the newbies. But if you want to be included in that list it's fine by me. | ||
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On April 19 2010 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I dont know. do you really think he'd expect to get away with the same thing for 2 games in a row? I guess we'll find out when he starts posting. @Osmoses: Thats what Vigilantes and Mad Hatters are for. Anyone playing the "I'm confused card" and still appears scummy AND useless probably deserves a bullet. The good thing is that Assassins have Detective powers so at some point they are going to help kill some scum. @ITW: Yep. The game does boil down to 20 vs 8, but the problem is those 10 inactives are kind of just sitting around and they still count. Then you have issues where some of those people are information roles so them doing nothing is a major liability. So scum just coast along with the inactives because really - it's hard to lynch a guy for coasting when a bunch of other people are doing the same. So the town is screwed while the scum sit back cackling about the free ride. | ||
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Even more interesting you came up with that long drivel after I called you out. So were you just lurking this thread this entire time? | ||
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1.) You tried to call Infun on a Wifom argument when you clearly don't know what it is. 2.) You tried to call me on Chainsaw Defense when I called you out before nai.Protoss even posted. If anything, and if you were even trying to read the thread you might have been more keen to question Foolishness who parroted you. 3.) Thinking that Wifom and CD are automatic scum tells means you yourself are just trying to throw dirt and sound smart. So stop grasping for straws. I'm not betting on some other player's life/alignment when the question of the moment has everything to do with YOU. | ||
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On April 19 2010 06:56 Caller wrote: Oh I didn't say it was chainsaw defense necessarily. I was saying that if he flips scum, the fact that you attacked me and my credibility directly instead of demonstrating how/why you think my posts are bs certainly doesn't make you look as good, does it? And that it could possibly be construed as a chainsaw defense, which makes you look like shit if nai.Protoss flips. That was my argument. no. | ||
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Caller the more you post the more bs comes out of your mouth. Town, I propose everyone vote for Caller and get rid of him now. | ||
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I'll wait 3 hours. | ||
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You aren't playing though. Hell I'd even take you trying to get me lynched right now. At least when I fight for my life vs the incoming rape train it's funny. Oh well I hope the threat of modkills gets people posting ^_^. | ||
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I can use 3 role checks per night and 1 during the day. I've also got this awesome ability call "bullshit detector". It even comes with an extra super power called "make people bitch when you don't play they way they want you to". So far it looks like it's kicking in. When the town plays retarded I figure I shouldn't play seriously either. Assuming God really does have a sick sense of humor and I live tonight, I'll be randomly throwing out names of people that I investigated to be scummy. In fact, some of these players may not even be in the game like L. | ||
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On April 20 2010 06:24 CynanMachae wrote: Gah, it seems I misread the rule, I thought it meant we couldn't have ties. No way we're gonna get 20 votes... Still, very pro-town behavior you got there. This post is scummy. You get the prize! I'm role checking you tonight. | ||
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This guy is obviously legit. Make sure you don't let him die medics. | ||
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On April 19 2010 14:40 Jugan wrote: 2v2 in SC1 or SC2? note for Qatol: he posted like 2 seconds before i posted mine. Smartest guy in the thread by far. | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:46 Radfield wrote: Then jump on the jpak bandwagon! We got plenty of room! At least 20 seats! Seriously Pluses: He's almost as inactive as RoL; Already cast a vote so he's out of modkill danger (we won't waste our lynch) Minuses: wait my bad. This guy is. Don't let him die - only hope for the town to win. | ||
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On April 20 2010 04:44 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: sorry for my inactivity, I am catching up right now. I am on page 18. I was working a lot all weekend. Scummy even in real life. Only Mafia have jobs. | ||
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Subject: Your Fate Date: Some Random Day Welcome to TL Mafia XXII aka kill yourself or live trying! Your role is: Failure Every day you will be forced to read the thread full of idiots discussing things that gets them no closer to winning! They will randomly bandwagon each other, call Day 1 a crapshoot and an excuse not to scum hunt and then go down in a big ball of doom. Powers: You are a Detective! You also have 3 nukes. PM flamewheel91 if you have any questions about your role or the meaning of life. | ||
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WELCOME TO ACE'S AUCTION HOUSE! ![[image loading]](http://www.boningtons.com/blog/image.axd?picture=2009%2F9%2Fauctionhouse.jpg) THE ONLY GAME WITHIN A GAME THAT YOU CAN PLAY IN TOWN! FUCK YEA - IT'S POSSIBLE TO LOSE TWICE WITH ONE SPIN! Rules Every player is given some $$ to start with. Being that Ace no longer gives a shit and is actually in debt to some Mexican Escort Agency (aka hooker farm) he needs to pay or die. Alas, the genius Mafia god himself has come up with a brilliant idea! Also not everyone starts with equal amounts of money because that's just life. Deal with it. As a Detective I will be selling my services! The player that bids highest will get me to rolecheck another player in the game! However don't blow all your $100 too fast! Check out all the offers below!
Bidder's List - Cash Available
Now I know someone is going to be complete dick and fuck up the business. In the event that this happens I will die with your $$ and there are no refunds. Sometimes shit happens. Oh well. LET THE BIDDING BEGIN! | ||
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On April 20 2010 07:27 Radfield wrote: Oh boy..... I have no idea how to rerail this thread.... Also, if I pay 100$ can I get you to point out twice that you're playing like an ass? sure, I'm a capitalist not an emo. Are you paying now or later? On April 20 2010 07:26 Bill Murray wrote: i bet 0.51 cents on nAi.Protoss I only take increments $1 and larger. On April 20 2010 07:28 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I would like to max out whatever I get a discount on, then rerail the thread. What are you purchasing? Got you homie. On April 20 2010 07:47 meeple wrote: Well... nothing's certain... I don't feel jpak's scum but I'm voting for him because I want a lynch today. I feel Rage has a better chance of being scum tha jpak does. But who knows... we might yet see red blood tonight. ![[image loading]](http://www.cloudave.com/image/50000000572199/bullshit.jpg) + Show Spoiler [Bidder's List] + Bidder's List - Cash Available 1. Zona - $100 2. CynanMachae - $100 3. tree.hugger - $75 4. d3_crescentia - $50 5. KF91 - $100 6. iNfuNdiBuLuM - $75 7. RebirthOfLegend - $100 8. BloodyC0bbler - $200 9. Jugan - $30 10. Scaramanga - $0 (get a job) 11. Bill Murray - $100 12. Fishball - $85 13. RaGe - $100 14. Foolishness - $no 15. Scamp - $100 16. Abenson - $90 17. Caller - $155 18. [NyC]HoBbes - $100 19. meeple - $120 20. Fulgrim - $70 21. JadeFist - $100 22. Roffles - $100 23. krndandaman - $0 24. Falcynn - $40 25. nbtnbt5 - $60 26. IntoTheWow - $100 27. Incognito - $25 28. love1another - $66 29. AcrossFiveJulys - $50 30. nAi.PrOtOsS - $0.50 31. DarthThienAn - $60 32. Radfield - $100 33. TheLardyGooser - $80 34. Osmoses - $2 35. jpak - $21 36. motbob - $100 37. madnessman - $75 | ||
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On April 20 2010 08:57 Jugan wrote: I bid $30 on myself because I wanna know if I'm the miller again. Got it! Current Bids Jugan - $30 for Role Check on self + Show Spoiler + Bidder's List - Cash Available 1. Zona - $100 2. CynanMachae - $100 3. tree.hugger - $75 4. d3_crescentia - $50 5. KF91 - $100 6. iNfuNdiBuLuM - $75 7. RebirthOfLegend - $100 8. BloodyC0bbler - $200 9. Jugan - $0 10. Scaramanga - $0 (get a job) 11. Bill Murray - $100 12. Fishball - $85 13. RaGe - $100 14. Foolishness - $no 15. Scamp - $100 16. Abenson - $90 17. Caller - $155 18. [NyC]HoBbes - $100 19. meeple - $120 20. Fulgrim - $70 21. JadeFist - $100 22. Roffles - $100 23. krndandaman - $0 24. Falcynn - $40 25. nbtnbt5 - $60 26. IntoTheWow - $100 27. Incognito - $25 28. love1another - $66 29. AcrossFiveJulys - $50 30. nAi.PrOtOsS - $0.50 31. DarthThienAn - $60 32. Radfield - $100 33. TheLardyGooser - $80 34. Osmoses - $2 35. jpak - $21 36. motbob - $100 37. madnessman - $75 | ||
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WELCOME TO ACE'S AUCTION HOUSE! ![[image loading]](http://www.postercentral.com/Auction%20House/auction-guy.png) THE ONLY GAME WITHIN A GAME THAT YOU CAN PLAY IN TOWN! FUCK YEA - IT'S POSSIBLE TO LOSE TWICE WITH ONE SPIN! Rules Every player is given some $$ to start with. Being that Ace no longer gives a shit and is actually in debt to some Mexican Escort Agency (aka hooker farm) he needs to pay or die. Alas, the genius Mafia god himself has come up with a brilliant idea! Also not everyone starts with equal amounts of money because that's just life. Deal with it. As a Detective I will be selling my services! The player that bids highest will get me to rolecheck another player in the game! However don't blow all your $100 too fast! Check out all the offers below!
Bidder's List - Cash Available
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QUICK! Someone outbid him! | ||
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On April 20 2010 10:33 Falcynn wrote: Booo I only get $40? Is it possible for me to give my cash to someone else? No idea who I'd give it to, but I doubt I'll be spending it. yea Capitalism doesn't mind you giving out loans | ||
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The 3rd/4th person to vote on a bandwagon = scum theory stems from the fact that in a 9-12 player game scum want to influence the bandwagon (get it rolling) without being the hammer vote on a Majority lynch. Hence, since you need 7 people to lynch on a 12 player game, being 3rd/4th if you're scum doesn't look fishy. This is a 38 player game. Lol. Caller has once again bullshited you guys. He has 0 clue what he is saying. Oh I sent in my role check for IntotheWow. Someone bid higher or else thats what I get back tonight! | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:21 Jugan wrote: I am ready to sacrifice a live goat to get in. yea sure why not. I'll probably post it late tonight. It's gonna be rox. | ||
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On April 21 2010 07:21 Caller wrote: almost as good as L in pinning the godfather mayor for a scum that's just waltzing around town in the open you sure are a cool dude. you should put that $$ to use and bid on someone else though. | ||
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I jugan your caller. | ||
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Rolecheck on Caller came back : Caller is Mafia Lets get this shit. | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:17 IntoTheWow wrote: Ace, do you mind explaining me what reasoning you have for your little auction game. And how did you set how much cash every player has? because I'm pro. I wasn't joking about the player that bids highest gets to set the rolecheck. Of course I gave Caller mad phat l00t and like a sap he used it thinking his bluff would scare me. LOLOLOLOLOLOL! Lynch that Mafia scum! I caught him Day 1 without a role check, then I caught him Night 1 with my role check. <---pro If you want to learn how to hunt scum follow my lead fools! | ||
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On April 21 2010 12:46 Bill Murray wrote: i kind of believe you. i'm going to go for a smoke and think about this. caller was a lot more afk as mafia at the start of WaW wasnt he? Don't worry about WaW. Look at his play this thread: 1.) Early in Day 1 I make a play on Caller and call him out for lurking. He pops up immediately with some bs excuse to defend himself. 2.) He throws blame on nai.protoss to make himself look credible (lol fail). Then out of no where Caller says I'm using a Chain Saw Defense...Caller doesn't even know what this terms means. 3.) Caller claims Infundibulum I think it was Wifomed him. Once again Caller doesn't know what this means. Thats twice he's throwing out random shit he found on Mafia scum. 4.) More bull shit. 5.)??? 6.) I see Caller trying to use the outdated dumb theory that the 3rd and 4th person on a bandwagon are most likely scum. As usual Caller has no idea what he's talking about as that theory applies to 9-12 player games with Majority Lynch rules. As I said before that theory barely holds and when it did it was because scum wanted to appear in the middle of the bandwagon so they wouldn't be scrutinized for the hammer vote and also escape the "starting the bandwagon" blame. Hey this game has 38 players! Being 3rd or 4th means shit. If Caller knew what he was talking about he'd actually say something like players around 12-17 are more likely scum if he believed that theory. He's been feeding you guys bullshit pies and you've been eating them up like suckers. Stop talking about everybody else for now and lynch this goon. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:00 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: oh god Ace, I wish I was as good as you at picking out mafia on Day One! Yea one day you'll be pro like me man lololololol. | ||
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o wait nevermind lololololol. | ||
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On April 21 2010 13:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Not so fast, Ace. What happened to always lynching the claimer, your old mantra? There is always the possibility that you are lying about your rolecheck, and then we lynch Caller and lo and behold he flips not green then we have to spend another Day lynching you. Granted this is a different scenario than a Day 1 claim as we have some posts to analyze. But I'm not going place any votes on anyone yet until i'm caught up with the thread all they way (missing some pages before this one, just saw this as I replied) Yea this isn't a Day 1 RC. This is an RC after I already found Caller to be scummy. But hey if you guys want to lynch me good luck! | ||
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But hey think through all the likely scenarios and motives for yourselves ^_^ | ||
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I don't know why you even mention players like Foolishness and me "knowing he was going to die" - nice attempt at subtle scum info there. Doesn't work. Same with BC - I wasn't even paying him any mind at the moment. My sights were on Caller all game. For some one reading my posts you sure missed that big glaring sign. | ||
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On April 21 2010 14:09 IntoTheWow wrote: Some stuff I left out. If Ace wants Caller dead for some reason, he rallies us today, we lynch him, and we know he was bullshitting, ergo, we want to lynch him. The problem is, the moment this is made public, the Mafia roleblocker can kick in, and we are down one Vigilante already. How would the Mafia know who the Vigilante is? :/ | ||
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Today you should be voting for Caller. | ||
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On April 21 2010 14:39 IntoTheWow wrote: Can we use the double lynch right now? I mean, if you are so sure of him, it does make sense to read on other people based on that (who argued in favor of Caller, who against) to double lynch. nope dont even debate it. People will use that as an excuse to be confused and let Caller slide. Lynch him now, the BC/Rol situation will be resolved by Vigilantes tonight (because ALL of them should shoot either RoL or BC) and then we move on. The only 2 things that should be talked about now: voting for Caller or why you don't trust my rolecheck and who to rape between RoL/BC. No need to bring up suspicions on other people or talk about a double lynch. | ||
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On April 21 2010 14:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Oh I just read your solution. here I will even quote it for you Keep one simple fact here folks. He is advocating vigi's killing me and RoL to confirm us both. He however makes no such basis on himself. He is using a light move on killing a DT roleclaimer who can't be confirmed, while not applying it to himself. I would however gladly die to flip RoL as red. My death would confirm/deny him and give an auto red at night. That is much simpler than killing him outright if he is a dt. Besides, it means mafia would have to kill him then. oh hai - nice scum logic you got there. Let me shut you up real quick: It's Day time and I called out an RC first. Hence we are lynching not Vigi hitting. Caller has also been acting blatantly scummy. Derp? You also should realize I intentionally did not say for Vigis to kill both of you. I said all vigis should shoot ONE of you. This way when the shot goes through any other Vigis get their kills refunded. This way Vigis dont have to hope another one shoots - they all shoot. Hey only one of you dies! If you flip innocent the other guy is scum! | ||
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And if Caller was the last Assassin besides myself I'd like, NOT just you know wait till tonight and shoot him to end the game myself? Man scum just aren't as smart as they used to be. Then again most of you aren't anyway. | ||
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The difference between me and you is that when I do things they end up in rape (like what Caller is about to get). When you do it you get posts like this which make 0 sense: Where he used statistics you discredited to prove his points Your playing a style you completely disagree with. Hell, of the players in this game. Caller, incog and zona should have jumped you the moment you claimed, as should have foolishness (but as hatter he tried to hide? or he did his regular strat of not posting till later in the game. Zona was just swapped out but at the time he was still in it. ![[image loading]](http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/originals_bullshit1_ranndino.jpg) | ||
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BC keeps trying to bullshit the town into thinking I asked to Vigi 2 players when I said just one of you. BC even said it's ok to lynch him, when I said I'd have a Vigi shoot him but he throws a fit. Scum logic go go go go go! | ||
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On April 21 2010 15:24 flamewheel91 wrote: Ace, calm down with the language (even in image macros, yes.) dang I can't say bs? Thats not against TL rules :/ | ||
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BC you need to go get lessons from some good scum players on how to play scum. If Caller flipped green obviously I'd be killed. Dur? Do I even need to say it? Then you try for the pity route - lol. Pathetic. I love watching you squirm. So now you realize that after I posted twice that only one of you has to be shot, you've moved away from your old argument of blatantly lying about what I said to a new one - that Vigilantes like Medics are tards and won't listen to me. So you admit that if they listened to me it would be the wise thing to do right? Good. So we agree that you getting rocked by all the Vigilante shots tonight is the good move. If you flip town we get rid of RoL. Good idea sir, I knew you'd come around. Now go vote. Sucker. | ||
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Don't worry about it. We'll focus on that tomorrow. I'm just letting BC dig his grave. It's not like I'm trying to convince scum that he's scum because that's a waste of time. Just deal with Caller. | ||
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@Everyone else: Look at BC's recent post. He said this is the same thing as the Folca situation in Mafia 3. Once again blatant Mafia misinformation because he doesn't know how to read. In Mafia 3 DTs had bs Day checks ala it was possible to get results within the Day. That didn't happen this game. Notice where as Folca sent out a blind Role Check Day 1, I TOLD you guys Caller was scum before my Role Check. Too ez. | ||
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On April 22 2010 04:20 BrownBear wrote: You are correct, I suppose that you're alive-ness is simply on the mafia's decision to not kill you for whatever reason. Unless... it's ALL part of your totally intricate secret master plan :D I came into this game with no expectations and 0 plans. So far I've caught 1 scum (so what if it says miller he was scum) and another one is about to die. This is too ez. | ||
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On April 22 2010 05:52 Scamp wrote: I agree with Korynne. Tree.Hugger's logic is suspect and looks like a distraction. Why would any mafia call Ace a liar when he didn't target one of their own? Even WIFOM doesn't really work here. Pretty much. I mean I gave everyone the chance to go for a role check, and Caller bit. The fact that caller played like Scum just means the real Scum let him do as he pleases ^_^. | ||
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Either way it all gets resolved soon. Aside from BC being scummy we have the unfortunate evidence that if RoL is a DT he damn sure isn't gung ho about getting BC killed. You'd think a DT with a guilty result would be ready to lead the wagon especially since our last situation got resolved. Hell, he even roleclaimed right after me in a game when Mafia have 4KP, 1 medic dead, 1 DT dead and he as far as I know was never in danger of dying. *shrug* | ||
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So then why did we need to DL? :/ | ||
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On April 24 2010 12:19 meeple wrote: I'm not sure we can safely say there's no vigilantes... just that they didn't follow the town's wishes. I still have hope. At this point I can't see a reason to not follow Ace's rolecheck, although it's hard to beleive he hit red two nights in a row. I suppose we should trust RoL's RC of BC... he certainly couldn't plan on his compatriots being offed by the mafia and winning so he probably was looking to win over the town and try to gain their protection. So yeah I agree with the BC, Infund lynch for today I suppose. Are you serious? You seriously don't believe I of all people wouldn't hit scummy players? lol. You know this is the second time I've been a DT and every single time I've hit scum/millers. Yea, far fetched. | ||
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On April 24 2010 13:48 IntoTheWow wrote: If there's a Vigilante left, he might have been roleblocked. If there's a Vigilante left and he/she was Roleblocked that just means he/she gets to shoot someone else tonight. Once again that's going to be the scummiest/most useless player we have. And that my friends will be revealed before this day is over. Don't worry I already have 2 players in mind. | ||
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On April 24 2010 14:16 Korynne wrote: I didn't do a detailed analysis, but I was thinking being 7 up is pretty close given kill power tonight will be 3. Though if we get 2 mafia today it won't be so bad. We have 2 more to use, I don't see the harm in speeding things up... And...who are we going to double lynch? Whats the point of using it when we don't have enough suspects that are scummy? We'll end up hitting only town. BUT after tonight's round there WILL be a double lynch. Because whether I get role blocked tonight or killed the last Vigilante is going to have to shoot. And then there will be a mass role claim tomorrow. ^_^ Yea scum get your fake claims ready ahead of time. I'm hoping you fake claim because with 2 dbl lynches that means clashing Vigi/Medic claims are instantly resolved. None of you can fake claim Mad Hatter either. choo choo rape train incoming! | ||
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With 7 Mafia currently after these 2 are scraped off that leaves 5 scum in a 19 player game. That's pretty decent odds if we had enough useful players. Alas, we must do things the hard way. Jpak's voting list: The first 12 (remember jpak needed 20 to die) BloodyC0bbler Fishball Radfield KF91 CynanMachae d3_crescentia Osmoses [NyC]HoBbes Abenson RebirthOfLeGend meeple Zona The bandwagon was started by a scummy player with ridiculous logic all game. Next set of votes: Incognito Scamp madnessman Foolishness iNfuNdiBuLuM DarthThienAn TheLardyGooser Jugan So let's just step back and think for a second. We've got scum starting the wagon assuming RoL was right about his RC (and I think he is because BCs reaction was so scummy) and 2 confirmed Mafia at the end. Ok now lets combine both lists in order taking out dead players and replacing in subs. Keep in mind that the real meat of this is the votes coming after after RoL because the 3 votes before him were all non-scum. Don't worry about the guys in the beginning just yet. I'll take of that because I know most people are lazy so I'll collectively give everyone else one simple task. New list: BloodyC0bbler Fishball KF91 CynanMachae d3_crescentia Osmoses meeple BrownBear Incognito Scamp madnessman iNfuNdiBuLuM Looks so much simpler now huh? 10 players! With 2 about to be gone! So now we're down to these 8: Fishball KF91 CynanMachae d3_crescentia Osmoses meeple BrownBear Incognito Scamp madnessman ^_^. Sooo how does this all work? Simple. I want the town to go back and check out the posts->votes of Incognito, Scamp and madnessman right before the train on jpak was started by BC. Check all their posts around that time and then slightly right after the lynch. If you find anything scummy point it out. This is not meant to accuse them of being scum right off the bat. This is meant for tomorrow when the role claims come out . As for the people in the beginning of that list I'll take care of it for now. If I don't die tonight I'll illustrate how we break that list apart even easier. | ||
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And we all know that's impossible. | ||
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On April 24 2010 15:01 Korynne wrote: I can't seem to find anything online about this, but can someone explain to me the pros and cons of double lynching? Seems like it's only beneficial for town, since we get to decide who to kill, so it's another chance of getting a mafia, whereas not using it just means another night passes and mafia gets to kill more townies. So other than the fact that using it 1st or 2nd day doesn't make much sense, it seems like we should just constantly vote double lynch until we use them up no? It depends on what the objective is and your school of thought. Imo there are only 2 times you have to use a double lynch: 1.) You have 2 scum caught and both will be revealed from a dbl lynch 2.) You have clashing role claims where it won't hurt that badly for the pro-town player to die and you have vigilantes left. This way you save a night kill for another scummy target while resolving the claim in one shot. Most people have this misinformed idea that we should double lynch just because we can when that is just as bad as lynching just because we can. Lynches are for SCUM, not the entire playing population. | ||
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Even if it's a common mindset that doesn't mean it's a legit excuse. I've also got an issue with Brown Bear posting but not voting after I told him/her Infundibulum is scum. | ||
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On April 24 2010 16:30 Incognito wrote: Hi I'm back, just need to check up on the last few pages in the thread, but I'm just posting this right now to announce that I have taken a hit. Cool, I probably don't have to rolecheck you tonight anymore. | ||
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On April 23 2010 13:17 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The thing is, I have already stated that I believe BC's behavior points to him being innocent, as he so openly railed against Ace. If you look at the circumstances of RoL's rolecheck, it was a lot different than Ace's rolecheck because Ace checked a player that he had publicly suspected Day 1, and Caller was unlucky enough to be the miller. Combined with Caller's already odd play it was enough to get people to vote for him. However it seems like theres a lot more doubt in the town regarding rol/bc. I mean I guess it's totally possible that BC is also a Miller, and RoL does have a point that his play doesn't make a whole lot of sense from the mafia perspective (though is this a bit of a wifom? it sort of sounds like it). Korynne has similar sentiments expressed in her post above. Basically i think the plan tonight is to hope our medics are playing up to speed. Vigi's should hit whoever they think is suspicious (i consider Caller's suspect list a decent starting point, minus ITW who i feel has shown himself to be a pretty solidly town player, and add Scaramanga). Hopefully DT's dont check any more(?) Millers. Also i don't think ALL vigis should shoot tonight like Ace said, considering its a 1 time power and the outcome of tomorrows lynch could set up some good vigi targets for tomorrows night. Of course there's no way to coordinate this, so if you're a vigi with no idea who to hit it might be smarter to wait instead of risking your 1 shot - town is pretty much on the verge of death here. On April 23 2010 14:24 Ace wrote: Vigis shoot infundibulum too he's useless. You'd have to be pretty scummy to think all Vigis shouldn't shoot the same target with the situation we had. | ||
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Do we have any mad hatters left? Role claim now if you are alive. | ||
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I'm not checking useless people. I'm narrowing down that list of 8 or checking people that in the event I die some time soon I can tell everyone "ok this person showed up town" and that's that. | ||
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When Incognito claimed Veteran and I said "I don't need to check you now" I was so hoping I didn't have to waste an RC on him. It literally came down to me deciding between d3_crescentia(my first choice), Scamp(who I went with) and Brown Bear. Then I get killed :/ Thanks to all the wonderful townies who didn't do shit and allowed scum to skate on by. Games like these are show exactly why it's damn near impossible to get rid of inactive scum. They BARELY post, post nonsense at that and as town it's hard to get rid of them because we've got useless players sitting around. Imagine you have ME as a Detective and you can't win. 20 players max and ban lame players or only allow them to play in Theme games. #Edit: Yea looking back 4 millers is like kinda ridiculous. Can't really blame this on Millers since 2 of them were playing more scummy than the actual Mafia. Where were all of the Vigilantes? I seriously hate town KP being tied to Double Lynches because of games like this. | ||
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4 guys died, we know no assassins were in the mix. Why didn't you come out and say you protected Incognito and there was a high chance he was scum at that point? :/ | ||
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On May 01 2010 16:54 d3_crescentia wrote: Ace what gave it away? I'm always looking to brush up on my scum-tactics. >_> Meh I'd have to go back and read the game(doing so now from ~page 62-63) because I took 0 notes. I know I had something in my head like: Active/Semi active players with you, Incognito, Scamp who barely made the list, Korynne, Brown Bear and I think 1 other person. Everyone else except ITW iirc I threw in the useless pile.Out of this list I figured you were almost surely scum. Incognito and everyone else I had down as "possibly scum but no need to deal with yet" kinda thoughts. Then Incognito said he took a hit so I realized the town could deal with that information. Just went back and tried to retrace my steps (go look at page 72). I think at this point my instincts were correct that this list: Fishball KF91 CynanMachae d3_crescentia Osmoses meeple BrownBear Incognito Scamp madnessman was an issue of contention. I now see where I asked you to sum up why you thought Rage was scum earlier in the game. I totally left that trail blank because for some reason I felt like checking Scamp later. Either way back to Incognito: On page 73 I once again list a few players I need to resolve with once again all Mafia + 1 innocent. Now reading more I'm remembering I REALLY had to resolve this list in my head: Scamp/d3_crescentia/Incognito. Madnessman was on the earlier list of Incongito/Scamp/madnessman that I ASKED THE TOWN TO TAKE CARE OF and of course they didn't. Whatever. On page 75 you mock me saying your scumdar is better than mine and I replied that it can't be because you didn't read carefully. I should slap myself for not going with my first instinct (didn't matter because I died anyway). Of course no one followed my advice on mass roleclaiming on the very last day. With all the modkills from useless players I think that was the best shot the town had. End of the game was massive fingerpointing and no really good analysis. Regardless I want my MVP award. Even without getting all my role checks in my scumdar and strategy had us on a clear path to victory. Fucking scum stacked kills on me and I should have went with my guy on d3. Town could have followed my advice and focused on scamp/incognito/madnessman and really could have done some major damage. U-S-E-L-E-S-S. Gj to Flamewheel for putting up with the crap this game ^_^. | ||
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