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On April 19 2010 13:51 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 19 2010 13:44 tree.hugger wrote:On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote:
Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules! Oh dammit. I thought they had been put back in for some reason. I double checked, of course. Obviously. Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun. I'm sure he understands that he made a mistake now, so let's leave it at that and open the discussion to something that will help steer us in the correct direction. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:07 [NyC]HoBbes wrote:
Quick defense of inactivity- was at a friend's weekend house since Friday, only checking TL on a mobile phone. Am going to sleep now, will be active on the thread tomorrow starting around 4-5 PM
As I stated earlier in the thread (not picking on you, just using this as an example), a person being less active than other people in the game at this stage is normal. It's only the first night, taking a tally of those who appear to be either lurking or inactive will help none. The mods will deal with those who are inactive (i.e. reminders/modkills). For those of you who don't know, people have things in real life to do: Go to school Socialize Take care of animals Set houses on fire Which means that they will be unable to devote as much time to the game as others will. Additionally, newer players will, understandably, want to get a feel for the game before putting themselves out there. While it is entirely possible that a person's seeming "inactivity" can be an indicator of a mafia member, please take great care in jumping to conclusions and making assumptions. I hope this serves as a reality call and a reminder for some players, IntoTheWow.
Its always good to note how someone has "misread" multiple times. It is sometimes a good indicator of being mafia.
Also, mafia in the past have opted to play "inactive". Alot of people who are truely busy with things normally will post it ahead of time. If someone appears to say "sorry had x y and z, ill be doing x again now then sleeping, ill try to play tommorrow" then only appear to vote, are typically either useless townies, or mafia. Also good to keep tabs on.
Real life does come up, but so does faked inactivity.
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On April 19 2010 13:53 Incognito wrote:Ok. Time for some stuff. First of all, theres a lot of people moaning that we should just lynch an inactive because we don't have enough information. These people should step it up. There is actually quite a bit of information out here to analyze. So instead of waiting for one of us to come up and hand you the information on a plate, please try to go through and look through posts organized by user. First off, innocents. A few people have caught my attention as very likely innocents. These people are: Zona BC d3_crescentia Caller All the people on this list have been posting rationally. (Ace would probably disagree with me on this about Caller, but from what I remember from Caller's previous games, he didn't post like this as mafia). Time to pull out the accusation gun. Osmoses: Show nested quote +On April 18 2010 07:08 Osmoses wrote:
I'm a total newbie but wouldn't it make more sense to save double lynches as late as possible, when you have solid info to go on? This is his first real post. He plays the I'm a newbie card, and proceeds to ask a question that is already being discussed. No contribution here. He also makes preemptive excuses for his posting, emphasizing that he is a newbie, but...you get the picture. Check out TL Mafia V for an example of Tricode pulling the same stunt. From experience, new pro-town players would not try to emphasize their newbiness, as it adds a burden for the town. On the other hand, new mafia players tend to use this to excuse their useless behavior. Panic usually sets in and they try to play the im confused card. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 05:58 Osmoses wrote:
Assassins will influence politics, trying to gear lynches in their favor against the ones they suspect to be assassins... Basically they will be the very annoying players that you can't really pin as scum or townie because they have double agendas. They may just appear confused or stupid, I mean they'd have to cook up some pretty elaborate schemes to sway the votes in the favor of someone they want killed if that person doesn't act like scum.
Its really pretty tiring trying to figure out who's what and who and why with such little information, and no clues -_- The only effect assassins have on the town is their votes and their influence, but lynching the right guy seems hard enough already, so if they do sway the vote we might just get a scum anyway... Should we really even be worrying about them? Their night kills, having only 2, will surely be spent on someone they truly believe to be an assassin, so as not to waste them, and the longer the game goes the closer the odds get to 50%. Those seems like good odds. More confusion. How ironic. Anyway...Ok...So its tiring trying to find out who is who...but you haven't said anything yet about what you HAVE found out. Oh you also say there's little information to go on? Yeah I'm sure its very tiring to look for information that's not there...in which case you might as well just have given up. Oops! Well, if you're so tired trying to information, surely you must have found at least something. Spit it out. We want to hear it. Anyway, thats the one person who stuck out in my mind. Everyone should be looking for information instead of lying around and complaining how there is no information. Some information is there. And some of it we have to bring out so we get more information. From experience, mafia games are usually more stagnant when theres no pms. You can't call people out as effectively as you can in pmland, partially because of spam, and partially because people don't feel inclined to respond when theres more than one accusation out there. So for now, I'm going to switch strategies and only try to focus on one suspect at a time. I expect responses.
Welcome to the front lines Incog. Glad to see a familiar face whos semi friendly in these unfamiliar times.
I personally would add Bill Murray to your list of innocents. His current play style is extremely hilarious, and based on the reactions garnered has been one of the best fishing hooks I've seen. Deff town or insanely ballsy red. I find him more green however.
I am going to go back over osmosis' posts personally now to see if I have the same reaction to him you do.
However, I personally find RoL, and abenson to be fan favorite's at the moment
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Also, Scara, RoL (if your not an inactive prick, har har), fishyball, incog. Once you all read this, start posting. We need to talk yo, and if open is where its going to happen. Lets get the fun times rolllllling.
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On April 19 2010 14:12 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:54 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Also, mafia in the past have opted to play "inactive". Alot of people who are truely busy with things normally will post it ahead of time. If someone appears to say "sorry had x y and z, ill be doing x again now then sleeping, ill try to play tommorrow" then only appear to vote, are typically either useless townies, or mafia. Also good to keep tabs on.
Real life does come up, but so does faked inactivity. I understand exactly what you are saying and where you are coming from. However, as I stated earlier, we should not worry about the people that appear to be inactive as of this moment - we are only on night 1. Additionally, I mentioned it is not only easy to keep tabs on people that are "faking" inactivity, but it is helpful as well. My reasoning about the inactive people is because IntoTheWow was attempting to accuse people based on 1) His interpretation on who was active. 2) How people posted. While I believe interpreting how people post goes extremely far in determining who may or may not be mafia, IntoTheWow, great guy that he is, made blatantly false statements about SEVERAL players and thus comes off as 1) Suspicious 2) Misguided 3) Forceful (as he tries so hard to garner support for his idea, he blatantly leaves out important details). Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 14:02 IntoTheWow wrote:
Well, that's why beside listing inactives I also wrote more or less what they posted. I opened the thread on "all" pages and CTRL+F every nickname on the player list.
Yours came out to be mostly 1-2 liners, without actually saying nothing in most of them, hence why you were on the list.
About your attitude, it was not me who pointed it out, but a mod, you can ask them for an apology. I like how you change your story here. You didn't word it: "Yours came out to be mostly 1-2 liners", You said: And said that the town should lynch somebody on the list. I would also like to note that you were blatantly incorrect about several other people on that list. You completely disregarded the fact that I gave several insightful posts that were IMPOSSIBLE to miss, as you would have to go through my name several times through them. Additionally, the mods did not tell me "Jugan, you have a dirty mouth." You, and you alone were the only person to claim that. You claim to have actually read discussions on this board. However, if you had done this, you would have came across the board discussion between me and a couple of the mods where we not only discussed things in general, but rectified all issues currently at hand. Your posting and change of story seems extremely suspicious, and you have now been put #1 on my suspect list. I also still await your apology.
I was in no way trying to make it out to be "lets lynch all the inactives" more as a point in his inept defense. As well, he did have a point that he was making badly on the subject, I figured what I posted was it.
However, I am so far impressed with your ability, good job sir!
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On April 19 2010 14:11 Incognito wrote:
Hmm. At first, I thought Bill wasn't spammy enough for me to be comfortable. But after thinking about it, he has been a catalyst for some pretty stupid responses. Won't mention names yet until (someone) responds to my accusation, but you guys know who you are. Get productive or we're going to have to bring down the hammer on you.
Updated innocent list:
Zona
BC
d3_crescentia
Caller
Bill Murray
If he responds to your accusation, I will be impressed, he seems to be an "inactive" har har
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On April 19 2010 14:23 Ace wrote:
The fact that you guys are discussing people as "most likely innocent" just shows you have no clue wtf to do.
The fact that you are breaking your promise of afking till intelligent conversation came out means you agree with it, hurr durr.
 how's it going ace?
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On April 19 2010 14:26 Ace wrote:
I actually saw one intelligent post. But still you guys are useless. I'm just gonna chill until I die.
thanks for conforming.
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On April 19 2010 14:27 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 14:23 Ace wrote:
The fact that you guys are discussing people as "most likely innocent" just shows you have no clue wtf to do. Uh...then why didn't you say this previously when I did it in Red Army II? Is it because this time you don't agree with my list? Hmm??
He be jealous he ain't on it.
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On April 19 2010 14:28 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 14:12 Jugan wrote:
Your posting and change of story seems extremely suspicious, and you have now been put #1 on my suspect list. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 10:11 Jugan wrote:On April 19 2010 07:21 Caller wrote: I'm not entirely sure if you're trying to be ironic or what, but you just put yourself on my suspect list. OH NOES!!! ANYTHING BUT THAT!!1!111!1!!!ONE!!11! 
If you compare his start to the game (one liners) to now, you would see the difference already, and wouldn't need to draw it out. I would even excuse most of his one liners as well, don't need much for the point or b) lack of real posting so far.
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On April 19 2010 14:39 Jugan wrote:
I was truly excited to play a mafia game with someone as prestigious as IntoTheWow. You were a community member that I respected and looked up to. However, I am truly disappointed in not only your faulty logic, but your approach to the game when people ask you to open up to a discussion you yourself began. I am not sure if it is because you are incapable of having an intelligent discussion, or because you really area mafia member, or are just not the person I (and others) look up to.
Whatever the case may be, you have been a sore disappointment thusfar.
Peoples ability to be a good TL member doesn't translate into mafia skill. Mafia skill translates into mafia skill.
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On April 19 2010 14:59 IntoTheWow wrote:
Where is the line drawn for modkilling? voting?
Total inactivity, caught cheating, refusing to listen to a mod, castrating baby flamewheels, the list goes on.
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On April 19 2010 14:47 Fishball wrote:Voted RoL for now. Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 10:13 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well it is sure good I didn't get gang raped early for inactivity.
fishhhhballllll. Where art thou
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On April 19 2010 15:07 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 19 2010 13:44 tree.hugger wrote:On April 19 2010 12:32 Scamp wrote:
Fun note: Tree.Hugger didn't read the rules! Oh dammit. I thought they had been put back in for some reason. I double checked, of course. Obviously. Fun note, we had already discussed this earlier in the thread via my own major post. So you failed on two counts. Reading is fun. Yeah, I found that discussion too.
But ignored it, forgot it? interesting...
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just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote?
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On April 19 2010 15:51 IntoTheWow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote? Just an inactive vote placeholder.
Fair enough, it just looked like some random bandwagon was starting, looked off.
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On April 17 2010 00:00 jpak wrote:
Signing up.
On April 18 2010 09:00 jpak wrote:
Well I'm excited for this game! this is my first Mafia game, and let's have fun.
On April 18 2010 09:17 jpak wrote:
See you on day 1.
On April 19 2010 23:03 jpak wrote:
Uh, What did I miss?
The only 4 posts he has made this thread (two of which were before game start, 2 after).
You have just been auto flagged for worst townie slot. Someone who is excited to play, then a) hasn't posted anything and b) has failed to read the thread either makes you an uncaring/bad townie or obvious Mafia. Your now my vote.
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On April 20 2010 03:38 Fishball wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2010 15:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 19 2010 15:51 IntoTheWow wrote:On April 19 2010 15:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
just curious ITW, what was the reason for your RoL vote? Just an inactive vote placeholder. Fair enough, it just looked like some random bandwagon was starting, looked off. Too late. The bandwagon has grown.
Yeah, sadly, I don't like the justification for it. Had Rage proposed what he did earlier, it wouldn't look so bad. But when someone is really inactive then hops out of the shadows to point at someone and say "lynch him" seems off to me.
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On April 20 2010 03:38 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 02:59 RaGe wrote:
We really need a change of attitude here imo.
I propose a town-wide ban (with lynching if not lived by) on accusations/analysis of previous posts until Day 2, and a lynch of the currently least active, most voted person RebirthOfLegend
Because let's face it, we're not going to be able to have enough of us agree on an already suspicious person to be able to lynch him on day 1, and we're only helping mafia decide which townies to snipe atm.
This would help us focus on getting a decent plan together for the rest of the game. you are so red
So is motbob. hurr durr
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D3 posted a fairly decent list of "inactive" posters on the previous page. I am stealing said list for use of this post.
Alright, quick morning post before I go to work. I'm glad Jugan is starting to speak up. Here's the list of semi-inactives again, stolen from IntotheWow from some pages ago with some modifications -
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RebirthOfLegend
Scaramanga
RaGe
[NyC]HoBbes
Fulgrim
krndandaman
nbtnbt5
love1another
jpak
motbob
Now, of that list.
Rage has just started posting as of last page, to jump out of no where and point at RoL. This seems to me a very scummy sort of move.
Krndandaman has made no useful posts so far in this game. Hes don't a random one liner that didn't contribute.
Jpak I have already covered in a post above
scara has posted slightly more than a few others on the list, so i would give him a clear on a lynch target for the day.
RoL is really inactive, very off since hes normally really active.
Fulgrim is surprisingly inactive. He really needs to come out to justify it as well, not excusable based on his experience.
Motbob is being "inactive" really scummy at the moment.
The rest are all names that haven't raised red flags yet, but are stupidly inactive. Motbob and Jpak are the two most suspicious names off the list, followed by rage and RoL. Jpak is a more logical vote as he has given no real contribution nor appears too where as the other three might.
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On April 20 2010 04:41 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:36 CynanMachae wrote:
Oh I also forgot to point out that I'm hesitating putting my vote on RoL right now because 3 of those voting for him are among the players I find likely red (IntoTheWow, Rage and TheLardyLooser) Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 04:21 Bill Murray wrote:On April 20 2010 04:20 Caller wrote:I propose that we lynch all players that have a tag: Reasoning:
RebirthOfLegend (4)
BloodyC0bbler
Fishball
RaGe
IntoTheWow
Falcynn
Judging from the past few mafia games, either the third person or fourth person on a bandwagon is scum. Just pointing this out. I do feel like the RoL wagon probably has scum on it looks like we're agreeing
Makes sense, your making sense this game.
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