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On March 30 2010 08:47 Zona wrote: If I get one more player who is not active in another game within 2 or 3 hours, I will start the game today. I want to keep the day/night schedule synced with my other game. Qatol go go go | ||
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On March 30 2010 09:51 Qatol wrote: Ummm I have my Advocacy final in 3 days. Mafia would be a very fix'd | ||
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On March 30 2010 11:43 KF91 wrote: Awesome story XD Should we do a random vote for Day 1; or is that too dangerous for a micro game like this? :/ If you're going to advocate random killing, you might as well advocate no lynch as well. Although I do believe no lynch hurts the town in this setup (if my counting is correct). At any rate, we have 48 hours to talk, it's not like we are pressed for time. As flamewheel has stated, there's plenty of opportunities to do behavioral analysis and there's no need to resort to random lynching. Even if we do pick someone to random lynch, I doubt they'll let it go unpunished and we'll probably end up lynching someone else in the ensuing debate. | ||
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On March 31 2010 07:25 KF91 wrote: Although some people are saying that L is too argumentative or too persuasive, I think he is pretty smart and he would be able to bring lots of ideas in the later days of the game; so I don't think we should vote to lynch him tonight. Which is interesting that you bring this up now considering L's longest post has been a massive 5 liner, and nearly all his posts can easily be warranted a "NOBODY CARES" from me. But hey, I guess I can't talk since I wouldn't vote for him either at this point. At any rate, Cynan's yet to say much as well. Love the people randomly voting now though. | ||
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It's cool if you don't want to talk or give your opinions on who to kill. Great way to avoid getting yourself killed. "Oh hey guys, I know people always follow my bandwagon cause they're idiots, so I'll just let you guys figure out who to kill, and I'll just sit here and watch the fun and not say anything". Actually, that's a pretty ingenious plan now that I think about it. Sorry for blowing your cover. Guess you maybe are as smart as people make you out to be. ALL HAIL L THE VET! | ||
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On March 31 2010 08:27 flamewheel91 wrote: I don't really believe in role claims early in the game, since there's nothing grounding a role claim. If you're a blue role, take an active part in the discussion since too often in TL mafia games are blue roles (especially detectives) silent. If you can bring forth good points of discussion and speak in a persuasively argumentative tone, there's no need to have to role claim to give yourself credence. Later game, the situation may arise where it's worth role claiming, but we'll leave that for when such a situation does arise. Scumhunting? Don't get in the way of blue roles, since we [should] have them. However, don't rely expressly on them, since then it becomes a guessing game. Don't spam or do anything that would waste town powers, that is to say don't draw investigations because cops think you're mafia, don't beg for protection from the medic, and avoid stupid actions that would get you lynched. Speak when you have suspicions, but don't go overboard with them, and most importantly, look for errors. If you're sure you have something, go at it. If you can nab a mafia member, even if you end up dying later, it's worth trading a towns person for a mafia member. Oh, and play objectively. Keep your grievances and grudges away from this game, please  haha it kinda sounds like you're indirectly saying "DONT DO ANYTHING STUPID BM" In a small game such as this, there's no reason why we need to solely rely on blue roles in order to nab the mafia (assuming everyone's active of course). As long as people are around and posting we have the methods to figure out who to lynch, there's no need for plans about getting the blue roles coordinated. In Mini Mafia I, trying to coordinating blue roles ended up wasting a lot of time for us (although that game was severely time limited compared to this). But we still ended up killing mafia based off of who was inactive. I made those posts before this one because I want L to talk and give his opinions. I don't think his excuses of "everyone bandwagons my random accusation" can hold in such a small game. Right now there's hardly anyone posting and accusations have been made at complete random without any argument. I guess it's good we get started somewhere but I got money saying most of them won't change their vote unless something drastic happens. | ||
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On March 31 2010 08:33 KF91 wrote: I think it'd be best to target the person that talked the least during this first day. It's not like we can really get any clues during the first day through the posts; since there aren't that much substance to work with. And it's not really helpful to have a player that just votes without sharing some of their thoughts. So I think I'll wait until tomorrow afternoon then vote to lynch the person that talked the least (At this moment, it's looking like it will be Cynan...) Ironic thing is that you yourself are not that far off from being that person. I'm hoping everyone else posts a bunch before tomorrow afternoon so you end up voting for myself. Then I can laugh. On March 31 2010 10:09 L wrote: Lack of activity is dreadfully boring. Town does not benefit from everyone being silent, so get working please :3. Good news is I haven't fulfilled my yearly quota of agreeing with statements made by L. C'mon people, townspeople lose from your inactivity. | ||
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On March 31 2010 21:03 CynanMachae wrote: ##vote RoL## I'm putting my vote out there on RoL because of what I said earlier. Hopefully I can be back before day ends in time to see if there's reasons to change. And BM, it says theres the possibility of having 1 roleblocker among the 2 mafias, so I dont think it's sure there is a roleblocker Which is odd since you hardly said anything about him before other than "he's sketch", I'm not really sure that qualifies as an actual reason to vote for someone. | ||
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On April 01 2010 04:14 KF91 wrote: Alright, it doesn't seem like there was much activity since I posted... ##Vote flamewheel91## I made the decision to vote flamewheel, mostly because I think his posts are way too wordy. Maybe I'm not searching well enough, but from some of his posts that I have seen in previous games; he has not posted stuff to the extent that he has in this thread. Nonetheless, I don't think he needs to drag on with what he wants to say; if it can be said in 3-4 sentences, that's how it should be done. It may be that he is trying to cover the fact that he is mafia by whipping out as many sentences as he can to look beneficial to the town, or he actually might be just a townie who is trying his best to help the town out. But in my opinion, I think that the former fits better in this situation. I will probably be back an hour before Day 1 wraps up just in case I want to change my vote. I do agree his posts are a bit wordy, however given the lack of activity I can't really say it's a problem right now. And it's not like he's doing it to hide posts or cover anything up. Right now with very little information it's hard to vote for him based off of long wordy posts. Besides if he stops being active in future days he'll be held accountable. L didn't want to make an accusation so as to avoid a bandwagon (acceptable reason I guess). So he let other people talk and do the accusing for him. Yet no bandwagon's have happened really, and there's hardly been any defense of votes. Almost like nobody is taking their votes against them seriously, like, "lol BM voted for me? haha what a joke...". | ||
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On April 01 2010 06:40 Bill Murray wrote: your mom is sketch! ohhhh hahahaha you are being a lot more talkative than you normally are. what happened to the "i'm not going to be speaking until day 2 or 3" style that you normally use? I guess, since you were the godfather then, you are not a mafia roleblocker now?  It has nothing to do with that. The game changes when we got a small number of people with a small amount of blue roles. There's no point in being quiet right now. Compare this to a normal big mafia game, but pretend like 30-35 people are dead and there's only 9 people left with 2 mafia (and DT has no information obviously). In that scenario I'd sure hope everyone would be incredibly active otherwise mafia run away with it. As of right now I'm voting for RebirthOfLegend. Yes, flamewheel, you're going to get what you want. And please let's not make the mistake of me just trying to be on your good side by agreeing with your suspicion. While I do agree with your statements about him, I will build upon them. The main reason I'm voting for him is because in my mind his posting is concurrent with his mafia playstyle. Mafia XII (hosted by Plexa) was the first game I ever played with him. In that game, he was mafia, and posted a few times during the first day and then never said a word again. I survived a long time in that game and I never suspected him of being mafia because I forgot he was even playing. He was the stereotypical mafia who hid in the inactives and didn't say a word. In contrast, it is definitely obvious that whenever RoL has a role he is usually quite active. In Ver's game he was a medic and actively posting throughout. While he wasn't one of the most active players, he definitely posted more than he has this game. (Also consider that with less people in this game, we'd expect him to post more since there's no highly active player such as Showtime! or Ace constantly posting. Also, in the smurf game, he was a highly active poster, even though he was a green townie. When the town decided that the medics needed to roleclaim, he even claimed medic in the thread, which is a highly ballsy move. Obviously that game was also different because it was a smurf game, but the point is he's not acting in accordance with his normal blue/green play. Right now I also believe Cynan is suspicious since I do not think he has defended accusations against him well. He's worthy of a check, but I think he's the person we can hold responsible and make sure he's posting over the next day. ##Vote RebirthOfLegend## | ||
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On April 01 2010 10:21 flamewheel91 wrote: @Foolishness: I am in no way thinking you're trying to get on my good side, since that shouldn't exist in mafia^^ I'm not personally suspicious of Cynan as of yet (as listed above) but the same went for what I said about you: the longer he goes without posting now, at a crucial time, the more likely he is to be mafia. The main difference in not voting Cynan is because Cynan can be held accountable, RoL cannot. Cynan has actually taken the time to defend himself and respond to posts (even if they're bad). RoL has hardly said a thing, and we can't hold him accountable. If we want to kill Cynan tomorrow, I'm sure he'll be around to talk about it, RoL isn't a sure thing. That being said, the same thing can be said about flamewheel. Given the inactivity of this town, we need to get the mafia out of hiding. Killing off our most active poster (maybe?) is a terrible idea, as if he flips green mafia is still going to sit in the shadows (granted if he's actually mafia we got a whole new set of information but is it really worth it?). If you are still suspicious of flamewheel, bring up arguments against him tomorrow. He's going to respond, cause if he doesn't he knows he will die. More chances he's going to mess something up. However this same thing doesn't work on inactive players, which is why we can't kill flamewheel yet. | ||
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On April 02 2010 04:18 L wrote: Sucking my dick won't make me suspect you less :3. Also: people need to post more. You said you were going to do some voting analysis, where is it? Also, you voted to kill our most active player; did you expect there to be activity? I think for tomorrow the people we need to focus the most on are RoL and CynanMachae. RoL did come to his defense after the accusations brought up by flamewheel and myself, but only after the voting ended (why didn't he defend himself earlier?). Even so, he claimed he's going to be active in the following day in his most recent big post, and that is something we need to hold him accountable for. If he doesn't hold true to his word he needs to go. CynanMachae posted a bit throughout the first day (real time day) but his activity has thus diminished. He has been the focus of a lot of accusations so far and if he doesn't step up he needs to go as well. madnessman and L both need to contribute something to this town as so far they haven't said all that much. madnessman did defend himself and did say ahead of time he would be gone day 1 and while he's posted his thoughts about each player he's never specifically said "I think this person is mafia because blah blah". L keeps saying he has interesting things to point out, but has yet to post about them. However he is one of the most active town members right now which is something the town needs especially after lynching flamewheel. As L said, post more people. | ||
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On April 02 2010 13:08 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Oh boy, the joy. First, let's start it off like this. ##Vote Foolishness## I have just read the entire thread and I am ready to bring down rape. Foolishness, you have literally posted more bullshit then I have. I would like to admit I was wrong, I figured there was nothing to really analyze or do during the first Day, I was completely wrong and for that I am sorry flamewheel. Flamewheel's style was so PAINFULLY town I probably would have voted to kill myself to save him. The guy posted so much stuff that when he actually got shit to work with (meaning lynches and more behavior) that getting a tell on him would of been easier then finding an underage whore in vietnam. Anyway, enough of that shit. Here is why I am alive. Foolishness, you posted shit all game and showed up and voted me and tried to transfer ALL the blame onto Flamewheel. Through the entire first day you posted nothing except negative comments, but nothing that actually attacked someone hard. You were trying to draw attention away from yourself. Then when you finally had to vote you vote for me then take a non committing stance with some sort of bullshit cop out of "Well.... if hes green, fucking flamewheel's fault" Get out of my game with that shit yo. If anyone would like I can post by post pull up all his bullshit, but he has like 9 posts. Feel free to read them all it will take like 5 minutes. Next order of business. The second highest suspects I have are KF and Billy. Although for some reason I Can't fucking remember why. So I am going to have to reread my shit and remember why. I got lazy and wrote suspects in a word document and didn't bother writing why. Now I fucking forgot. Edit: Typo's T_T It seems like you were drunk when you wrote this... Considering how little you have posted I don't think you can call people out on their bullshit posting relative to yours. I attacked you the first day, I made an accusation based on your previous behavior in games. I posted my thoughts during the night in case I died people would know my thoughts when I turned up clean. That's why I told L to post his stuff in case he died. Now we got to figure out what he meant by the voting is telling a lot instead of knowing it from the get-go. What's this about blaming flamewheel? When did I say/do anything of this sort? Flamewheel was obvious townie in my eyes, that's why I didn't vote for him. Yeah part of my vote for you was in hopes he wouldn't die, as you said he was clearly town. I even said in my posts that I was voting for you independent of what flamewheel thought. Anyways, how can I even blame flamewheel when you're still alive? You say I was "taking a non committing stance" and "drawing attention away from myself". Go look at KF's posting. He has done exactly that all game. He has never spoke badly of anyone, and first day he was agreeing with nearly everyone's posts. I'm going to go dig that up for further analysis. Contrary to that, I attacked you first day. I was taking a committing stance on thinking you were mafia. Now I'm not so sure since you have become more active. And if you stay active, it's not worth killing you anyways since this town is dead. I also committed to the fact that I thought flamewheel was innocent. Turned out I was right. If you say I did little during the first day, what did you do yourself? You haven't done anything until now, and you didn't even defend yourself when you were about to die first day. I told you to come out and post more and so far you're living it up. Good for us as the town. We need more people talking about this. I want Cynan to make some legit posts. | ||
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On April 02 2010 22:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=83951¤tpage=All There goes your "Rebirth of always inactive when he is mafia" point. You open up in this post copping out blame to flamewheel "ya your getting what you want" like you were hesitant to vote me. Then come out with some analysis that is wrong at best. My "ya you're getting what you want" at flamewheel was directed at the fact that he was asking me to post analysis and to legitimately vote for someone. It wasn't about believing him or following his lead, I voted for you out of my own accord although I did agree with what he said. And yeah my noting of how you act when you're different roles wasn't a necessary and/or sufficient condition, it's what I noticed based on the games I had played with you. Besides, at the current rate, you're being active, which, according to my analysis, would most likely mean you're innocent. You promised you'd be more active this game and so far you're delivering, and I got no qualms with that. Town can't afford to lynch any more active players when there are ~3 people being quiet. I want Cynan and Vivi and KF to speak up. And preferably madnessman and BM to stop bickering at each other and post something useful. | ||
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On April 03 2010 09:10 KF91 wrote: Alright, sorry about that; I've been a little busy, but I can write up a post now. The town is in a really bad situation now; losing a townie (I guess some of that blame could be put on me) and then losing a detective during the night. The town now has two days left minimum to kill off all the mafia, unless we screw up again today and kill another townie. So I've read through all the posts to check out the behaviors that people are exhibiting. (This post is quite long, so please, don't get mad! :D) And Flamewheel, if I made this post during Day 1, I wouldn't even have been able to vote you, considering how fucking long this post is. So, sorry about voting you because of your wordiness, hopefully we don't have any hard feeling against each other XD Vivi57 + Show Spoiler + At this moment, my biggest suspicion is on Vivi. He really hasn't said much during this game, and most of his suspicions are based off of past games or not being active in the thread; something that he is practicing as well: On March 31 2010 04:07 Vivi57 wrote: ##vote bm## in the last game where he was town, he posted a bunch. This game he hasn't posted at all. His first real post in the game. Bases suspicion off of his posting style. Maybe he BM could have been too busy to post when the game started? But in that case, Vivi himself could be too busy to post in the thread as well. I'll let this one slide. On March 31 2010 13:22 Vivi57 wrote: Right now, I'm seeing cynan as our best target. He basically says the day1 lynch will suck because of lack of information. Perfect way for scum to hide and makes a good excuse for not contributing. Then he says the rol drawing attention is the thing that he noticed most. Odd that trying to create discussion and drawing attention to himself, both very pro town reads, is the thing he noticed most. The states a very obvious fact that we should compare behavior to previous games. This looks super characteristic of the "I'm mafia pretending to contribute" gameplan. ##vote CynanMachae## The thing is, I've been preaching the "lack of information" idea throughout Day 1 as well, but he doesn't point me out at all. And at least Cynan was brave enough to voice his opinion about what will happen in Day 1. Vivi himself is the person that fits into the characteristics of "I'm mafia pretending to contribute." On April 01 2010 09:18 Vivi57 wrote: you know, I was considering putting my vote on flamewheel, but then I looked more closely between him and L. L really hasn't done much of anything this game and explicitly said he was sitting back and waiting. Then instead of trying to do much behavioral analysis, he just shows up and does some crap with votelists and magical theories then votes flamewheel. I'm still not happy with flamewheel's vote on rol because I really do think he's town, but at this point, I think its really likely that flamewheel or L is mafia. At this point, because of his relative inactivity and lack of useful posts, I'm going to go for L. ##Vote L## His second time changing his vote; not that I have anything against people changing votes, but just pointing that out. In this post (Which was made after L's 2 rung apart "string theory"), Vivi talks about how L made up some random votelist crap (Which at first, I agreed with as well), and his vote on flamewheel. From what I see, L was voting flamewheel maybe because of his wordiness(?) (He wasn't really explicit about his reasons, or maybe it was because he wanted to see if his theory was indeed right) Vivi could have also voted for L in reaction of maybe he was able to figure out the mafia pairs. If you look at who L predicted the pairs would be, he said it could be RoL and Vivi, the only two people who ended up voting for L in the end. Although RoL did vote before the whole string theory came out, it's just interesting to see how things worked out. Right after the Day 1 post, Vivi's aggression towards L continues: On April 01 2010 11:26 Vivi57 wrote: can we please lynch L now? Let's not let him pull an ace and live for another day. It's funny, because this was followed up with the mafia killing L. Right after the Night 1 post: On April 02 2010 12:13 Vivi57 wrote: lets lynch L just to be sure he's not zombie mafia now He continues to talk about L. Now maybe I'm not aware of some previous incident that happened in a previous game with L and Vivi, but even if there was, this seems very suspicious to me. Vivi does some random votes, then as soon as L posts his "string theory", attacks him even after he is dead. This behavioral change puts Vivi up pretty high on my suspicion list and I will probably vote for him when I cast my vote near the end of Day 2. RebirthOfLeGenD + Show Spoiler + At the beginning of the game, he posts a couple of short replies, not really containing any content or deep thought. Then he votes L because his posts are "a pain in the ass to read". On March 31 2010 11:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I NEED INFORMATION TO WORK WITH, ITS WHY I POST. At this point I have nothing to say. There is no plan to establish, everything obvious has been said. No lynch is a dumbfuck move. Don't lynch RC blues because they aren't mafia. If someone RC blue and you are that role. Counterclaim immediately. Trading blue for red is beneficial to the town. ALRIGHT? He then complains that there is not enough information to work with at that time and that he can't say anything (At this time we were just talking about inactive people and my previous mafia games experience) This post was made 2 hours before Vivi's post about Cynan. And yet, Vivi does not mention RoL at all in his post. Come to look at it, Vivi's only mention of RoL was: - Saying that RoL gets angry and reminds him of Ace and, - RoL seems like a townie to him There is no other mention of RoL in any of his posts other than that. Back to talking about RoL. After the quoted post above, RoL makes no posts until Day 1 is over, claiming that "there was nothing to talk about", although L's "string theory" was still floating around. He then gets really anxious see the Night 1 post, but I don't think there should be any suspicion rooted in that. And finally today, he argues with Foolishness, because Foolishness accuses him of inactivity. In summary, my suspicion of RoL being is pretty high as well. Not as much a]s Vivi (I guess not enough evidence yet), but we should keep an eye on his as well. Bill Murray + Show Spoiler + My God, he's such a hard person to analyze. His post are so erratic and he rarely gives much info on why he decided to vote someone (He switched vote 4 times in Day 1) He constantly changed his vote around in Day 1, but then stays with Flamewheel because of his "squirminess" (Which I agreed to, and later based my vote on), but that's all I have. I am trying my hardest to try to make out his behaviors throughout this game, but I don't think I can with his type of posting style. If anyone would like to try and shed some light on him (I haven't played with him before, as with anyone else in this game right now..), please do and I would love to read an analysis of him. So my suspicion of him being mafia is moderate, but things will change once someone could inform me of him XD CynanMachae + Show Spoiler + He starts off in this game with not really posting much and but mostly trying to figure out my background history in TL Mafia. He does vote RoL because of his spam and trying to "start up drama", but trying to see reactions toward votes does seem like a useful strategy, as demonstrated by BM (But that ended up back firing as Flamewheel was indeed green). He then doesn't really talk at all, except I believe for two posts where he defends himself, but other than that, he hasn't said anything with substance. I can't really put any type of suspicion on him, mostly because he hasn't said much at all. Foolishness + Show Spoiler + The man I refer to as my opposite. He has been against most of the posts I have made during this game: - Random lynching - Town inactivity (Saying that I'm pretty inactive as well) - Voting for Flamewheel because of his long posts I'm not trying to sound accusatory when saying that he's against what I say, I'm just stating facts here. He then goes on to vote for RoL, saying that it's opposite of his previous playing styles. He later posts about how we should concentrate our suspicions on specific people in Day 2. On April 02 2010 04:51 Foolishness wrote: As L said, post more people. This is what he ends with. Although he himself has not put many posts into this thread. But as I can see, he is starting to pick up in the amount of posts during Day 2, so we'll see what will happen. madnessman + Show Spoiler + Our first post analyzer. Great post analyzing from around only 30-35 posts into the game, most of which weren't really helpful at all. On March 31 2010 15:35 madnessman wrote: on the other hand kf has shown no sign of participating and aiding the town other than "i'll wait for ppl to post first"... In such an early stage of the game, i think kf's blatant lack of effort or quality posting is indicative of mafia trying to hide--or otherwise a townie with sheer disregard. sigh, i guess with these time constraints, it's enough of a basis for me to vote for him. ##vote KF91## I'm sorry I couldn't write up and analysis with only 35 posts before me. XD Just pulling your leg XD Anyways, argues with BM about inactivity, although he himself hasn't posts much during Day 1. He ends off with a great analysis of BM matched up with Katy Perry's "Hot n' Cold". From what I can see, I think think madnessman really likes me. He continues to put suspicion me, mostly because I didn't lay any suspicions yet and because I have a "lack of effort". But no hard feelings from me, I have little to no suspicion on madnessman at this moment. Final Thoughts + Show Spoiler + I really believe that Vivi57 and RebirthOfLeGenD are mafia, but of course things can change. I will read up on everything that happens until tomorrow evening and make my vote at that time. We got 2 more lynches to get a mafia before we lose. Right now there are 7 people alive with 2 mafia. If we mislynch, there are 4 townies and 2 mafia. Assuming the mafia's night hit goes through, tomorrow there will be 3 townies and 2 mafia. The game won't be over and if the town lynches a mafia they can win the next day if they lynch the right person again. I think this is the situation in Zona's first mafia game. Obviously this is definitely not a situation we want to be in, but it's not like today's lynch is an all or nothing scenario. And I am definitely one of the most active posters right now, if not the most active. I tell the town to be more active, and only RoL steps up (and you if you start posting more). I'm not counting madnessman and BM as they aren't doing anything useful just bickering at each other (which by the way is very suspicious as they are cluttering up the thread). I said I was suspicious of you because if your non-committal posting during the first day. Even now your analysis is kinda non-committal, though I'm glad someone else is trying to help the town. POST MORE PEOPLE | ||
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On April 04 2010 07:53 Vivi57 wrote: wow. I just noticed that. Does anyone have any examples of foolishness posting stuff with the intention of discrediting a vet as town because I have one where he does it as mafia: + Show Spoiler + On March 15 2010 09:38 Foolishness wrote: Yo, I got a few questions for you. I think some answers will help clear up a lot of confusion with the town right now, cause right now, the town's a shitstorm of inactivity. 1) Who do you want to lynch today? You got elected as mayor, you claimed (through one person or another) that you are the DT. I'm assuming you did not find a mafia with your check or you would have said so right? It's impossible for me to know by what you're doing right now. You voted for Abenson, you put Abenson in your "random list of suspects" (more on that later). So do you want the town to lynch Abenson? I have no idea what you think of things right now. Maybe you really want to lynch L cause you think he's scum? You should probably say something. This brings me to the next point: 2) Why are you being a crappy leader? You accepted your role as mayor, you even claimed (you said you were going to claim if vivi had not done for you) so you could get into office. There, it's done. Now do something about it! You haven't done much of anything since being elected, and hey if I do say so myself, you weren't doing much before elections either. Right now, L is doing a better job of being mayor than you are, he's actively voicing his opinions and arguing with people. That's good for town. You sitting in your mayoral chair whacking off waiting until your next DT check isn't helping the town. This is assuming you even are the DT, and hey guess what it looks kinda sketchy now. There is a point that needs to be addressed to the town. L claims he has a circle of 3(?) blues, BC said he claimed to people and has hinted he knows blues, Incog claims he knows a bunch of blues as well. There are more blues going around than there are probably in the game. If you all were really blue, why haven't you coordinated together? If all of you were legit, I'd expect this game to be near over for the mafia because you probably know over half the town is innocent. Why isn't this happening? Why are none of you telling us who to lynch (exception of L here). Somebody's full of shit with you three. At least one of you is lying about the information you know. Based on what you three have individually said, this game should be nearly over. Why are we still playing and why are we guessing on who to lynch today? BC I'd like to remind you of the game past (forgot which one off the top of my head) where you got elected mayor and couldn't control your town and Pyrry led the mafia to victory. That game you made it seem like you knew a bunch of blue roles, knew exactly what you were doing to lead the town to victory, and you didn't. I had to take over as pseudo mayor that game because everyone realized you had no information. Right now I'm starting to feel the same way (although I'll give you it's still early in the game). But if blues start dying and we fail to lynch mafia, I hope you're willing to be held accountable. Your mayor of this town. Do something about it. this is foolishness AS MAFIA. he plays a very solid scum and is great at creating chaos. Just the fact that he'd post that to discredit L before we even start makes me think he's likely to be scum. I support the kf/foolishness theory 100% now, but right now, foolishness takes my vote. ##vote foolishness## Well, for the record, I discredit vets every game I play, not just when I'm mafia. In last year's summer mafia, I was discrediting BC almost the entire game. In Ver's mafia game, I got killed the first night because all my posts were directed at Pyrry telling him he was full of crap (Pyrry was mafia). In both of these games I was green. I discredit vets all game, every game. Besides, when you lynch me and I flip town you're going to lose an active townsperson and be in quite a pickle. I was discrediting L because he wasn't posting any of his own thoughts and just telling everyone else to post (I'm actually posting my thoughts right now so don't think I'm doing the same thing). Now I'm quite confused on how people are associating me with KF. I was one of the first, if not the first, to say that he's suspicious because of his non committal posting and his inability to formally accuse someone. Most of the people who are voting for him now are using the same reasoning I posted. That being said, I have no idea who to vote for right now. I thought Vivi was legit the first day, RoL defended himself well, and KF has since been active. As I recall, KF actually did post his thoughts about me, and I have been questioning his attitude all game. It's nice that Cynan came in and posted his thoughts and voted, but I was expecting a lot more. I'm going to wait to vote, but madnessman seems like he's going under the radar through all this, and BM to to some extent. They have continued their squabbling with the other, madnessman still is voting to kill BM, and BM made a very short reasoning as why he changed his vote. | ||
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And besides, it's not like KF has posted "i'm voting for vivi, I refuse to talk about Foolishness". He's actually been active and gave reasoning to his votes and suspicions. | ||
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On April 04 2010 10:41 Vivi57 wrote: foolishness just generally responded to every post kf made and disagreed with it. Maybe I'm leveling myself, but that's clever distancing if you're both mafia. Yeah it really is clever, especially since I know I'm legit. I'm going to vote for KF right now since there is no one else to vote for. I was thinking voting for madnessman or BM all today, but since Vivi voted for me I don't have much of a choice. As I was the first to point out, KF played the entire first day extrememly cautious. He avoided making enemies in his posting and seemed hesitant to post his thoughts or formally accuse someone. My gut still tells me Vivi is innocent. ##vote Kf91## | ||
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On April 04 2010 12:00 Vivi57 wrote: if foolishness was mafia, he'd 100% leave me alive to die tomorrow. Think about it. Foolishness is my #1 suspect going into tomorrow Which is nice and dandy and all except that I'm town. Awesome how Cynan shows up right after day is over. | ||
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On April 07 2010 03:27 Vivi57 wrote: lets stick with foolishness I have foolishness/cynan, you have foolishness/madnessman lets agree and lynch foolishness today Let's not agree to lynch me today, cause I don't want the mafia to win. Vivi, please explain to me how you think I'm acting like mafia (yes yes I'm sure you already posted it but I want to hear it again). Compare the first mini mafia game where I was town to this one. I was legitimately posting my thoughts and trying to figure out who was mafia. This game I have been active (unlike some people such as madnessman and Cynan). The past two games where I was mafia I was mostly hiding in the shadows among the inactives (until the very end I guess when there were so few people left). Considering how little madnessman and Cynan have posted I'd be right in joining that group if I was mafia. Not to mention last game Incog and L were constantly calling me out and I hardly ever responded. This game I'm actually responding to everyone's accusations against me (yeah...it's because I'm town and don't want to get lynched). The great part about this is that you guys think I'm mafia but disagree on whoever the other person is. There's two mafia alive and we have to find the two that seem to be working together. You say I'm with either Cynan or madnessman, yet I've been constantly calling them out in the thread. I was going to vote for madnessman yesterday if I wasn't in an awkward situation. It doesn't make sense that I'm mafia with one of these guys (obvious for me since I know I'm clean). Compare this to trying to link other people together. My gut still tells me Vivi is innocent, so leaving him out of this, possible pairs include Cynan/madnessman, Cynan/BM. In Cynan's big post, he said madnessman was the greatest contributor to the game so far, which is lol funny since all he's done is squabble with BM. In fact, madnessman/BM seems even more plausible giving how differently BM is acting compare to recent games, and madnessman probably knows he can get away with telling BM he sucks (who hasn't at this point?). Cynan's also suspicious of Vivi, yet he won't give much reason why. Considering I think Vivi is legit, he could possibly open our eyes to what's going on if he's figured something out. Too bad he's mia. On the topic of BM, everyone seems to be ignoring him this game, which isn't fine and dandy at this stage in the game. He's always actively posting and everyone's talking about/to him. Not this game. He's sat around and chimed in with comments every now and then. You say I knew flamewheel was green and that's why I didn't vote for him. I didn't know flamewheel was green. Look at my posts. I clearly explained why I voted for RoL first day. I don't recall you (vivi) or madnessman explaining their votes that day. You guys are looking in the wrong places. There are two relatively inactive players; the only reason you think I'm suspicious is because I've been under pressure the past few days. If BM/Cynan/madnessman talk it should be easy to figure out who's mafia. | ||
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Do you know what relativity is? No matter. There was no way for me to know for absolute certain that flamewheel was town, that's just what I thought. You've admitted to being wrong twice, how about I take your posts and misconstrue their meaning in order to show how you're mafia? No thanks. I don't vote to kill someone without legit reason. It's cool though if you want to base your accusations off of fallacious reasoning. That's why flamewheel died right? You killed off an active green first day and you're going to do it again. It's kinda funny how you think this stuff is going to get spammed away, especially since there's nobody here to spam but yourselves. Unless you're going to spam away my defense to make me seem even more mafia. | ||
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On April 07 2010 07:35 Vivi57 wrote: The more I think about it, the more i think foolishness is innocent. In the last game where he was mafia, he was being extremely aggressive. This game, he's sitting there calmly trying to explain why he's innocent trying to diffuse problems instead of pointing fingers. Combined with he fact that he's saying I'm innocent when I'm the most obvious and easiest target for the mafia to mislynch tonight, I'm going to withdraw my vote on foolishness. Also, madnessman/cynan is a likely combo and madnessman didn't once mention cynan as a potential mafia candidate so I'm going to go ahead and vote cynan. ##vote CynanMachae## I think cynan and madnessman are the mafia, but I need bm and foolishness to back me up here (as in, we're fucked if we split up our votes). I'm still waiting to hear from Cynan, he hasn't said anything in a long while now. And yes, the reason I'm not pointing fingers is because I have no idea who's together and who's not. I made my accusations above under the assumption you were innocent. Madnessman made his assuming Cynan is innocent. Hopefully by looking at both we can figure something out. I'm not even sure that you're innocent Vivi, especially since you didn't die last night. I thought the mafia would kill you after you made your post about me being mafia. Right now you're just at the bottom of my suspect list. Even if you are fooling me your partner is still out there. | ||
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Best case scenario Cynan is mafia and we kill his partner as well. However if Cynan is indeed mafia, we could mess this up if we kill someone who is green. If Cynan is mafia, and we all vote to kill him, then we go to night and we still have one more day alive. If Cynan is mafia and we vote to kill a townie, then there will be 3 people alive and one mafia, and if mafia's night hit goes through it's game over. So basically even if Cynan is going to get modkilled, we still need to decide if he's mafia or not as that will affect who if anyone we lynch. | ||
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On April 07 2010 13:27 CynanMachae wrote: Ok sorry guys I couldn't post today, and I did followed up the thread yesterday but I didn't post since there were so little happening and I wanted to give time for people to throw out some votes first. Because, as it is now, its 3 townies, 2 mafias. With a townie death, mafia is really close to winning so they really must try hard to get a townie lynched. If you look at it that way, they only need ONE vote from one of us (toward a townie) in order to avoid lynching and pretty much win the game (if I'm right, 2 mafia 2 town is a mafia win). So what do the mafia want? One vote. Best plan? Throw suspicions around, be first to vote to start bandwagons. That's what Vivi and BM did, throwing votes very early, hopeing to get at least one townie to follow them. Yes, I've been suspicious of Vivi since the beginning. I've also been the one to call Vivi on his bandwagonning of KF91 which he never bothered to answer. Anyway, I've been looking at the Vivi/Foolishness possibility, because so far Vivi has done a very good job of distancing himself from Foolishness, throwing accusations when it was safe to do so, voting for him, he could even get him lynched and then ride alone to victory, clearing his name up. While this is less of a possibility to me that the BM/Vivi combo, it's worth looking into, but anyway for this day I'm gonna vote Vivi again because he's in both of my possible mafia teams. Also, for those that are pointing to a me/madnessman mafia combo, just think seriously about it. Yes, from the beggining I've said that I didn't suspect madnessman and just now he said that he thought that I was town. That would be a pretty awesomely bad play to throw out everywhere how we don't suspect the other so that if one get lynched the other dies the next day. Much easier would be to just ignore each other like Vivi and BM have been doing. Anyway, I've been rambling randomly a bit and my thoughts arent as ordered as I wanted, so I'm gonna say now that I'm voting vivi. ##Vote Vivi57## Reasons? First, among the possibles mafia teams, he's on both the ones I suspect most (BM/Vivi, Vivi/Foolishness). Also, he's been pretty good at not attaching himself to any bandwagon, like voting for Foolishness alone last day and L on the first day. Also, when I showed up to be quick inactive today he was prertty quick to start bandwagonning me, probably hoping I wouldn't be very much active to defend myself. Now that I look at that again, Vivi/Foolishness really seems plausible. So this would mean you think the arguments between Vivi and I have all been staged? | ||
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On April 07 2010 21:20 Bill Murray wrote: i find it suspicious of some things you wouldn't notice at first assuming vivi and foolishness are both mafia: vivi tried to get a quick day 1 lynch on me by throwing a vote on me before I was active based upon me not posting yet. That'd be fine if people wouldn't do it, but since it's me, he probably hoped for a quick lynch of someone he knew was town (remember, this is assuming they're mafia). On pages 7, 8 Foolishness and Vivi both try to start different wagons. Vivi tries to start one on L, and Foolishness tries to start one on RoL. Innocent? possibly, but let's look at it from the perspective that they're mafia. Wouldn't they want veterans to get bandwagoned? Yes. Yes, they would. Okay I'm going reiterate what I said. If Vivi and I are both mafia, that would mean we would have had staged the whole accusation/defense between the two of us. Do you really think the mafia would go through such an elaborate plan? Maybe, but given the fact that there have been some pairings that have been pretty chill at each other (madnessman/Cynan, BM/anyone but madnessman for example) I don't think this is likely. Also consider, given the fact that RoL died after he was putting constant pressure on me, I'd be the number one lynch candidate right now. After Vivi voted for me today, I thought there'd be a huge bandwagon on me, and I was practically shitting my pants cause I thought I'd died for sure and then town would lose. If we were both mafia, there'd be no reason for Vivi to vote for me like that, he could just easily put the pressure on someone else, and there'd be no reason for him to accuse me (especially since me having to defend myself just makes it more likely I'll slip up). And yeah, I want to hold Cynan to his word. So far he's half delivering. I think if he was posting more it would clear up a lot of confusion. I normally don't like voting early, but as BM said it's necessary to get things moving. Hopefully he'll talk some more and we can figure this out. ##Vote CynanMachae## | ||
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On April 08 2010 00:06 CynanMachae wrote: So what about Vivi then? I do agree that if you and Vivi were mafia, some of the stuff would have to be "staged" and some elaborate plan, but that's not that far-fetched since most of the accusations were easy to dismiss or not that elaborate You are very quick to dismiss the Vivi/BM possibility. You say you and Vivi aren't mafia, but does that clear Vivi? I don't think so. You say you want me to post more and clear stuff, but the same can be said about Vivi who so far have been delivering far less. I'm definitely not dismissing any possibility. As I said in my post, I ruled out any combo with Vivi in it because he's the person I least suspect. Doesn't mean I'm advocating he's 100% on the side of the town. If we're trying to find mafia by pairing people together, it seems to me that BM could easily be paired with anyone save madnessman. He's been constantly under the radar this whole game and nobody has seemed to hardcore suspect him. I don't think he's said anything in his defense other than "i'm green". Doesn't mean he's mafia, but it's still suspicious. I just voted for you to get things moving (not that they hadn't already or anything). I'm going to wait until more people post, especially to hear Vivi's response to your posts. | ||
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On April 08 2010 07:41 CynanMachae wrote: I might have missed it, but why did the BM/madnessman pairing seemed less probable? They had that whole squabble with each other yesterday. madnessman was comparing BM's posts to a Katy Perry song. | ||
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On April 08 2010 10:38 madnessman wrote: I made a comment and BM wasn't very happy about it. So I see that Foolishness is voting in alignment with Vivi...why doesn't that surprise me? I really don't think it would be a "huge, elaborate" plan for Vivi and Foolish to be working together. Why? Vivi defends Foolish when there's pressure on him, and only accuses him only when there's little to no chance he's going to get lynched. Sounds like a pretty good way for mafia members to disassociate themselves from each other. Also, I don't think we can take Vivi's voting pattern as coincidence. He puts himself in danger of being lynched, when Foolish is casting the deciding vote and could vote for him. If a regular townie thought Foolish was mafia, why would he put himself in a position where Foolish could easily get him lynched? Looks like the game is in BM's hands now. It's wound up to be me and cynan voting against vivi and foolishness, with BM casting the deciding vote. I think I've brought up specific scenarios where vivi acts scummy, and acting as though he's in alignment with foolish, which would make voting for vivi a pretty safe bet. On the other hand, vivi and foolishness hardly provide solid reasons why they think cynan is scum. So I don't know what else I can say...Seems pretty clear cut to me, but BM I hope yo uthink all this over and make the right decision. Unless you're mafia then we're screwed with you casting the final vote :/. What do you mean "little to no chance he's going to get lynched"? I'm the only one alive right now that's been under the most pressure all game. I've been defending myself since yesterday after RoL accused me. I was shitting bricks this morning (game time) when RoL came up innocent cause I was definitely the easy target to lynch. | ||
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On April 08 2010 11:00 madnessman wrote: eh. what's zona's policy in the case of a tie? -.^ - In the event of a tie, the player (or "no lynch") with the most votes first is considered to have the most votes. | ||
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