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On March 27 2010 03:57 Versatile wrote: yes. no. 1st day roleclaims are stupid. honestly. even IF i were a fan of first day roleclaims, vivi didn't do it right. #1. if you're going to roleclaim, do it in a timely fashion. let's say he roleclaimed earlier, given us maybe 24hrs to validate his claim. first off, that gives us a chance to see if anyone else counterclaims. if there isn't a counterclaim, that works in the claimer's favor and maybe some votes would get moved around. if there IS a counterclaim, well, good job, now we've got 1 confirmed mafia. but this is really risky and i doubt mafia would go for this strategy. #2. why the HELL would a medic claim? the medic cannot protect them self....so. give yourself away to mafia, why don't you? so, back to square one, first day claiming sucks. I agree completely with Versatile here. Ace I don't agree with killing the roleclaimer and I think vivi did a horrendous job with it. The problem is that you logically are correct. You CANNOT confirm a medic claim without sacrificing the other medic. However the mafia are risking that there is not another medic in the game. If there is a medic in the game then what will happen is the medic just has to claim as well and we kill the first claimer, and then kill the counterclaim if necessary. The only problem here is that there is no way of knowing whether or not there is a medic so its a real risky play on mafias part. So I think killing a claimer either way is worth it. In this setup losing your medic or DT for a mafia is completely worth it. Either one cannot be validated since an actual DT would check someone and know if they were town aligned or mafia aligned and a fake DT would know who the mafia are. No role claims can be substantiated, ever. But I do overall agree, first day claiming is dumb, and as a mafia move it is even more stupid. However a kill-able offense is questionable considering how much more risky it is as mafia, considering counter claim = rape and you pointed out how much it can suck losing a mafia member real quick. Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia. We can say that Citizen argued with Vers because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it. It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that you killed Versatile because you had a read on her and either purposely or coincidentally Citizen had been fighting with her the entire time. Which would be Citizen mind fucking us. From day 1. ##Vote Ace## Sorry buddy, no scum in my city. Anyway guys, that is my thought for the day. I am going to head to sleep and I have 12 hours of work tomorrow so I won't be on again until late at night (another 10:30 EST approx) GL Anyone disagree with my analysys? My secondary suspect is Fishball, but I am not too convinced on anyone else <3 | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:20 Ace wrote: WIFOM is very simple but it's usually explained in retarded ways. Simplest way to look at it: 1.) I can do X to you. 2.) You know I can do X, so you will do Y. 3.) I know that you can do Y, so I'll do Z. 4.) You know that I know you can do Y, and that I can do Z, so you'll do A. 5.) I know .....so I'll go back to doing X. It's just a way to say "hey if I were you, I'd do this!" and from then on people discuss from there at which point it's no longer rational to do X,Y,Z or A (because in a game of Mafia none of the 4 choices usually exist, it's usually like 2 and MAYBE 3 at best). Just a for fun to bring it back up. | ||
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Also I had a humorous thought. I would laugh my ass off if in your WaW mafia game there is no mafia, and you just want to see how long it takes for everyone to kill each other. The win condition being 10 days without death from radiation levels. I would laugh at everyone playing the game. | ||
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I was a little tired ^_^ Since even you Ace disagree with the depth of a WIFOM argument I am going to have to say you are mafia. I write this because Ace disagreed with the depth of a WIFOM argument where someone does something because they predict an action so they do something else. The posts above. Plus this scenario is unlikely.We can say that Citizen argued with Versatile because he read her role perfectly then killed her so that he would be "suspicious" because of his arguing with her, which would be what Ace would do because he knows how the town would read it. I meant from what the view would be from an outsider, in order for citizen to be mafia and being try to get us to lynch Ace instead he would have had to planned to fight with her from the beginning of Day 1 and then kill her during the night. Since they were fighting and she ended up dead you could say he didn't like her so he killed her, but that would draw attention onto himself. But if Citizen KNEW we were going to think that way, then we wouldn't suspect him and would go for someone else. I hope that is more clear T_T sorry. It is much easier (and goes with what you believe) to say that Ace killed Versatile because he had a read on her as a DT. In this scenario fighting Citizen fighting with Versatile could of been coincidence (when Ace read her as DT) or he could of just been trying to frame Citizen. Which would be Citizen mind fucking us. From day 1. If my former scenario was the true when and Citizen IS mafia, then that is how it would appear to me. | ||
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On March 28 2010 14:26 citi.zen wrote: It's suspect alright: there are only 2 reds in this game, yet he's accusing 3 people at once. I really lol'd at that pretty hard too. You guys are crazy, no idea why you are voting Citizen. Fishball, I don't see what I did suspicious. I had just finished reading the entire thread then responding in what I saw as a decent analysis on the situation. I get how my post may have been confusing but I think if you reread it a couple of times you can understand my reasoning. I think its relatively strait forward. I am pretty sure Ace is mafia. I could say I am 100% sure but I am clearly not the DT. I get it might be harder to read me because I haven't been here for 24 hours, but still. Does anyone else see why lynching the roleclaiming blue Day 1 is bad overall? There is a significant chance the mafia would trade a red for a blue which benefits us. Now onto Vivi's role claim. I don't blame anyone for not changing votes because of his claim, or even the arguments around it besides possibly Ace justifying still killing the blue (even though that benefits the mafia) if I remember correctly. Vivi just claimed so late that there was no time to actually talk about the claim and decide how to progress. I think he was dead before he had even claimed. There was like 30 minutes before the voting deadline where he IMPLIED he was blue. | ||
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I am pretty confident that Ace is mafia. The way you are arguing and speaking is very harsh? You basically do anything you can to not get voted, attack every single vote and do everything you can to discredit citizen. I get it, if you are town its still beneficial to not be lynched, but the way you are going about it just seems mafiaish to me. If ANYONE looks back you can see at ANY opportunity he does WHATEVER he can to discredit Citizen and try to get other people to vote for him. If we vote the wrong person tonight the mafia only need to sway one more vote to win. We would end up in a 3v2 situation where we need to perfectly lynch twice in a row in order to win, or fail one and lose. Vote motherfucking Ace. The only thing I find odd is that if the mafia are Fishball/Ace I don't know why they would both throw themselves out there on a green lynch which would fuck them both over when we see the result. So that is why I think fishball might not be mafia, I don't think they would be that dumb of a mafia team, I am sure you are just being a skeptic right now. But seriously, contribute more. The only thing you have said for the last page is that is something along the lines of me, citizen, or Ace are mafia. I am sure any halfwit could of assumed that one of us is mafia. Unless we have two lurker mafia who are doing jackshit (seems very unlikely) one of us is obviously mafia. Do some behavioral analysis posts thoughts about why our posting history looks scummy, just do something. | ||
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On March 28 2010 05:28 Ace wrote: 1.) I am not wrong on the vivi argument. You asked my opinion and I stated it. How is it that all of a sudden it's purely wrong even though you voted for Vivi? Whether you were at work or not isn't even a relevant excuse. We can't prove that. The point is YOU had a vote on the dead medic so you are responsible just as much as I am. You have your opinion, while I disagree with it, you have it. I am not voting you based on the Vivi vote alone. I view your standout on that as illogical due to how risky of a move it is by mafia because if they claim the role that is in the game they auto die. I suck at math but lets pretend its a 66% chance they claim a role that the role a mafia claims exists because potentially both blue's could be in the game, or just one. Vivi claimed so fucking late though, so it didn't really even matter. We had no time to talk about it. It was more or less bad luck. 2.) Keep ignoring posts? I respond to your accusations every time and in fact have proven you wrong. Remember how you claimed being your posting level is keeping the game active, but when I said the same thing you just blew it off? Who the fuck cares about how much you post? If I could double lynch and kill both of you I would just because I am sure one of you is mafia, but 90% of my sure is on you being that mafia. Now in regards to you discrediting anyone. These are ALL your posts from after versatile died, up until this post. ALL OF ACES POSTS + Show Spoiler + On March 28 2010 03:44 Ace wrote: so like, is anyone going to help save me or do I have to write out a long counter post? You guys do realize its LYNCH OR LOSE right? When I flip town due to TWO votes on me the game is over. I got 2 quick votes and one from RoL who's barely posted and everyone else is pretty much inactive. You just note how you obtained the first two votes with people posting opinions. No proving wrong being done. On March 28 2010 03:54 Ace wrote: ugh you're right. I was looking at the list and checked off Abenson's name instead of replacing it with RoL. Either way how does letting me die from 2 quick votes help the town? I still don't understand how me OR citizen are guaranteed to be mafia. There isn't a DT check or a counter claim here, and we've got lots of players lurking. I think citizen is the scummiest person here so far but when I flip green you've still got to look at the people not placing votes. Look at how fast I caught those 2 votes and we've got 4 non-voters. This is ridiculous lurking. ##unvote citizen## Haven't proved anything except arguing the logic of lynching one you you. Seems like you are just trying to make sure you live and are doing everything you can to paint yourself in a positive light, I mean who cares if we don't lynch Citizen, as long as we don't lynch you, right? Mafia thinking. On March 28 2010 03:56 Ace wrote: And yes I think citizen is scummy but for fear of lynching an innocent due to lack of activity I'm unvoting. We need more participation. I'd rather go into the night with a no lynch and 1 dead townie and possibly two dead townies for Day 3. Nothing has been said here, except you rather a no lynch, then a lynch you. Which would put us in the exact same situation just allowing the mafia to put themselves in a gaming winning position on that day by merely manipulating the lynch because of the inactive town. No lynch today is dumb, we need someone fucking gone. On March 28 2010 03:56 Ace wrote: Well haster look how little activity this game has. Only a few people are actually trying to play :/ no comment On March 28 2010 04:12 Ace wrote: You should delete that other post. Not good to reference an ongoing game. And yes I think the most active posters might be green. Still think citizen is scum though. But looking at the 2 quick votes I'm not ruling out RoL. Talking about other game and then back to Citizen is mafia talk. Ohboi. On March 28 2010 04:22 Ace wrote: no problem. Just that if certain information is lost with your death or they missed when you said it in the thread it should stay that way ^_^ Other game. On March 28 2010 04:26 Ace wrote: what? assume one of the active players is Mafia?!?!??! Explain how this makes sense? So ok. Myself and citizen are the most active players. You guys lynch me and I flip green, then citizen being the only active poster is killed and flips green. So what do we do next? Thanks for the WCS. We are all aware that neither of you you dying makes the other one the opposite alignment. I would say you both being green is near impossible and both being red is even more impossible and with being blue completely impossible I would say the only LIKELY scenario is a 1:1 green/red and the way you are playing makes me more inclined to think its you. I also like to think I am active enough to qualify in that category. On March 27 2010 10:37 Ace wrote: I find it funny that you voted to lynch Vivi but are trying to lay the blame game on everyone else. Hilarious. I suppose its important that he tried to vote someone else (lawl) Who cares? But what points have you even disproved at this point? Everyone was on board with lynching Vivi until he claimed. To look up the exact post, he claimed with 3 hours left. Giving no real time for discussion. I can't blame you for that, Vivi was stupid to wait that long when it seemed obvious he was dead. 3.) Not discussing anything of substance? Hello? I'm the one trying to keep the game going. You've asked me about Vivi, RoL has tried to have some sort of lopsided discussion with me and I've posted about everything from lynching lurkers to lynching unproved claimers. Your statement here is a lie. If you look at the above posts, there is virtually no substance in them. 4.) You say there's a 50% chance I'm mafia and it's now or never. So you aren't even sure I'm mafia and yet you think it's better to lynch me because picking someone else would be a crapshoot. Well isn't lynching me a crapshoot if you aren't even sure?! I am 90% sure, does that make it better? Stop attacking nonpoints. You are posting nothing, and are our best candidate today, so just die with honor. I'm convinced citizen is scum. Even more so by the fast vote out of no where by RebirthofLegend. Then after 40 hours of being afk nemy (o hai!) shows up with a bs vote on me. That's 3 votes on me and no votes on anyone else since the day post and no one else finds this suspect? You're kidding right? CITIZEN/ABENSON/ROL FOR MAFIA. SEEMS PERFECTLY LOGICAL. Double lynch I say. My quick vote coincided with me reading the entire thread and interpreting everything I had read. 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On March 29 2010 00:09 Ace wrote: lmao. So wait let me get this straight. I'm discrediting citizen even though I've pointed out that his reasons that I'm Mafia are that I'm wrong in debate and that I voted for the same guy he voted for? And lynching an innocent townie today is much better than no lynching? Are you serious? Of course, me trying to stay alive is scummy because getting killed is clearly the thing a Townie would do. Are you reading? So Citizen currently has 4 votes on him, I have 3. Citizen is definitely in line for lynching first, but I'm the one that's scum when I'm arguing that we should be considering the No Lynch so we could go into tomorrow 4 v 2 instead of 3 v 2. Right. I'm the one making bad arguments and bad logic here. I'm advocating saving people while you just want somebody to die screaming do something when you aren't exactly the most active person here. I said arguing vivi is a non point multiple times. He claimed with 3 hours left, we couldn't really do shit. If we knew it was a 100% innocent townie by some miracle then fuck no, that is obvious. But we won't know until someones blood reveals the truth. So killing no one leaves us in the same hole we were in. WHO TO KILL, CITIZEN OR ACE? It accomplishes nothing. and its not you staying alive that is scummy, its the way you are doing it. You haven't really presented a good case for Citizen, and you are discrediting his thought of you being mafia to say he is only 50% sure. However lynching anyone else who he has no thoughts towards would be something like 30% if done randomly. Tell you what, I have time before work, I am going to reread all citizens post and the thread and see if I change my mind, but at this point I don't think it will. Arguing no lynch when you have 4 votes benefits you because when he turns up innocent you have room to work with, Ace you have never been one to look for short sighted goals. For the purpose of clearing up some shit, I would rather go in 3v2 then 4v2. 3v2 clears some suspects, while 4v2 ends is up in a lynch or game over situation where we are STILL in the debate between you and Citizen. 4v2 in this case is essentially mathematical win for mafia, as long as they can sway it towards whichever one of you isn't mafia. Your last paragraph is a copout filled with shit. You are advocating putting the mafia in a game winning position by tomorrow with a no lynch. I will explain this one more time. 4v2 instead of 3v2 LOOKS better, but lets see how it would play out. If we don't lynch Ace or Citizen today and go with a no lynch the mafia kill someone tonight. Let's say they kill Jspazz or Haster who have had little to nothing to do with the argument today. The next day the we have Ace and Citizen still alive and now we are arguing to kill one of them STILL. If we pretend that there is a 100% chance that either Ace or Citizen are mafia, why would we put ourselves in a situation where voting the wrong one is game breaking? That does NOT make sense. Now lets say we hypothetically kill Ace or Citizen tonight and they are red, we don't have to waste our time on the other one (there is no fucking way two mafia would go at each other's throats like that) Now if we say kill Ace/Citizen tonight and he is green then the other would be red and we go in 3-2 with a SURE lynch as opposed to a 50%. That is of course pretending that there is a 100% chance that one of you are mafia, which I would say there is more like a 99% chance which is still something I would jump on. in the 4-2 situation we miss our lynch which would make it 3-2 and the mafia hits making it 2-2 for a town loss. Lynching today almost guarantees a good lynch tomorrow. | ||
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2 missed lynches = loss 1 no lynch and 1 miss lynch = loss. I don't see the point in not trying to kill more? Where was I not clear on why killing one of you gives us more information? | ||
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On March 29 2010 02:04 johnnyspazz wrote: anyway since there is so much lurking in this game, what do you active people think about going no lynch and letting the mafia hit someone. i think if mafia is lurking, its more likely they hit one of the actives and vice versa. I have already explained why they would hit a less active person. It forces us into this same situation of arguing between Ace and I guess me or Citizen (Assuming no lynch) if they hit a random person they create mathematical win as long as we mislynch on our next lynch. I don't see how this is that hard to understand? | ||
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Oh and Ace, I get how 3v2 would be harder, but if we already have a lynch candidate decided (IE by lynching you or Citizen, then lynching the other the next day) there is no issue about voting and persuading theoretically, since if we can agree that there is a HIGH PROBABILITY that you or citizen are mafia (Like I said, I think you are mafia) then killing both of you is a good course of action. Citizen giving up makes me think even more that is it you, unless he is continuing to mind fuck us. | ||
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On March 29 2010 02:07 citi.zen wrote: You mentioned RoL. Many things he said are inconsistent, but what bothers me most is saying he is SURE one of us is red. Now, for all our differences, I never claimed I can be SURE you are red - that would be absurd without a confirmed DT. Yet RoL is sure that if one of us flips green, the other is red - even saying he wishes he could 2x Lynch right now. This is of course the perfect Mafia set-up if we ARE both green - not only do you lynch one tonight but the other is lead candidate for tomorrow. ##unvote ace## ##vote RoL## You seriously think I am mafia? What the fuck kind of thinking is this? I was saying double lynch scenario just to emphasize how its more worthwhile to go 1:1 trade a green for a red then to not kill anyone at all. I was talking in terms of killing Ace and then you (if Ace is green) since I view the likeliness of one of you being mafia as very high. Just based on behavior. I don't really think you are mafia, I think Ace is. If for some reason Ace is NOT mafia that would make me suspect of you. Maybe I was too aggressive and murderous with my posting? Oh well. I ain't mafia. | ||
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On March 29 2010 11:10 johnnyspazz wrote: ok mafia do your worst! so let me guess RoL's next vote, it's on Ace right? YOUUUUUUUUUU KNOWWWWWWWW ITTTTTTTTT. If you aren't with me, then I will vigi hit you and vote triple lynch. I swear to god I will. | ||
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On March 29 2010 02:32 nemY wrote: And who else do you think is capable of sniping both our blues? Do you folks really think it is pure coincidence that both of our blues died in by the SECOND day? On March 29 2010 02:34 johnnyspazz wrote: while vivi57's death could be ace's doing, versatile's death was just pure luck Just to talk about this. I think killing Vivi was mostly luck, with maybe a little reading after the initial vote. Versatile was most likely a behavioral read. | ||
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On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote: Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts. GL town. I recall thinking this, dunno if I said it. Also, ima say it. I was right. | ||
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On April 01 2010 11:11 Ace wrote: <---pro Raped bitch. | ||
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On April 02 2010 11:09 Versatile wrote: omg how is this game not over. yes please do not extend this another 24 hours T_T | ||
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On March 29 2010 11:05 Zona wrote: Micropolis: End of Day 2 Looking from the outside, the future of Micropolis was looking up! Each of the town's residents now had their own bungalow - allowing them to live and sleep in comfort. But appearances were deceiving. The town was no closer to eliminating the mafia threat hidden within. Will all their efforts to build up the new town be for naught? Throughout the day, the residents argued back and forth, and two voices rose higher than the rest. After some jockeying, it was decided. citi.zen would hang today. But as they hung him from the central courtyard and greedily ran to pillage his new home, they found only his limited edition "Jim Raynor" figurine set. No gun, nor any other sign of malicious intent could be found among his possessions. This realization caused them to look at each other grimly. The jaws of death were closing around them. Would they survive? citi.zen the townie has been lynched. 4 town-aligned and 2 mafia-aligned players remain! Players please PM your night actions by 10pm EST tomorrow. Remember to use the given format in the OP! Final vote count for the day's lynch: 3 votes for ace: rebirthoflegend nemy citi.zen 4 votes for citi.zen: haster27 johnnyspazz fishball ace 0 votes for rebirthoflegend: players who have not voted: Unrecognized votes: ace: ##unvote citizen## ace: ##unvote rol</b><br><b>## I will give credit though, this was amazingly risky and worked amazing for you. I had honestly ruled out nemy as a suspect because of this list. I can't possibly see how you managed to get the entire town to vote citizen. Citizen was dying so he obviously wasn't voting himself, NemY was mafia and then just me. That was an amazing play. If I was hypothetically still alive I don't think I would of even read through nemy's post, until MAYBE his last minute vote change away from you. | ||
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On April 05 2010 07:34 Versatile wrote: just wanted to say: i investigated ace, but DT doesn't get results back 'til day 2 and alas, i didn't leave that long. good job townies. i def vote fishball for MVP though. lol how is fishball MVP? I didn't read the game much after I died but I was under the impression he didn't do anything. | ||
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