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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
On March 30 2010 14:58 Fishball wrote: I know English isn't your first language, but still... Anyways, I'll vote whenever I want. Right now I'm just enjoying the ride. man, maybe instead of acting like youre the shit, maybe you can help improve my reading comprehension skills eh? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
RoL is a confirmed townie but he was also wrong. Citizen was a confirmed townie also, was he right then too? Of course, you voted for him to die too. In fact you 1 line quoted part of my post and said "I'm convinced!" and never came back until after the hammer fell. ##vote johnnyspazz## | ||
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 30 2010 15:01 johnnyspazz wrote: man, maybe instead of acting like youre the shit, maybe you can help improve my reading comprehension skills eh? If you want to "improve", first thing I suggest is to stop your little annoying bitchy attitude, stop twisting my words inside your own little world, and stop acting like a be-headed chicken running around. Just look at all your posts on page 15. Ask anyone, and see what they think of it. On March 30 2010 14:59 johnnyspazz wrote: w/e eff this game ##vote ace## I'd say eff you. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
Ace There really is no logic/reason for him to be alive at this point in the game. He's a great player who carries so much weight within the game. He's a catalyst to the game. His contributions are either ridiculously beneficial to the town (he sets traps and catches mafia) or are the equivalent of a one-man wrecking ball to the town. Ask yourself, which Ace have you seen this game? Need further evidence? On March 25 2010 15:04 Vivi57 wrote: lawl, this is what we get for letting 2 games run at the same time. Anyway, if anyone still cares about the game, if I die, dt should check ace tonight. Oh, and there's a good chance I won't be back before the deadline, but I might be back around 9pm est. the dt never got to report their findings because they came back dead the next day On March 29 2010 10:23 citi.zen wrote: Parting words, while I am still allowed to write them: don't let Ace get away with this. Don't buy his illogical "no vote" argument, and don't let him say "hey, YOU voted for citi.zen, I wanted RoL all along" - he was always going to switch if needed. This passing of the blame is exactly what he's done with Vivi - go back and read the posts. GL town. citi.zen encourages the town to look at Ace again after his death, but we don't. On March 29 2010 13:36 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I recall thinking this, dunno if I said it. Also, ima say it. I was right. Now RoL's dead Fishball The guy is normally semi-active/behind-the-scenes during previous mafia games, yet in this game he's posted jack shit. His only real contribution to the town has been his flawed "mafia list" On March 27 2010 12:11 Fishball wrote: Remaining Player list RebirthOfLeGenD Ace citi.zen Fishball haster27 johnnyspazz nemY 7 players left, 2 are Mafia. I know I'm green, so that leaves me with 6 choices. If I vote randomly, there is a 33% chance I will hit a Mafia. Now lets take a look at the order of Zona's list of players. As pure speculation, it would be fair to say there will be a Mafia in 1-3 and another one in 5-7. Granted, this is purely speculation, as we already have 2 blues at the bottom of the list, and Zona might not have used the exact order to generate roles. There is a good chance that either Ace or citi.zen, that one of them could be red. This thread citi.zen has posted the most, with Ace being second. Versatile haven't posted much at all, just like me, Nemy etc., yet she was hit. Why? Previous history? Ace definitely knows her more than anyone else here. Random hit? Could be anyone. How random can this be? Of course people can say, "What if you are lying? What if you are Mafia?". Well to those 4 other Townies out there, you know who you are. I don't need you to believe what I say, but I want you to be aware of the situation. Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote: nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention. I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL. He then chooses to vote to lynch citi.zen after citi.zen attacks his list essentially calling it stupid, but offers up no real valid reason for why he's voting for citi.zen On March 28 2010 15:59 Fishball wrote: Either your comprehension skills are bad, or you're trying to make a play. I said I know I'm green, but I also said I don't expect everyone to believe me. I could very well be red in another player's eyes. I don't get what you're trying to pick at. I've made up my mind. ##Vote citi.zen## Make a play? What does that mean? citi.zen's trying to discredit your admittedly flawed list! Who wouldn't? IT FUCKING SUCKS. You yourself conceded that when you pointed out that the two blues were ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. jspazz His behavior/defense has been off the wall fishy/scummy. I'm not going to go through and quote everything he's said, because I'm somewhat lazy and have been working on this post for a good chunk of time right now, but rest assured JUST READ PAGE 15 OF THIS GAME. Also his last-second vote change (that did not count because he was too late) the day before is illogical. On March 29 2010 11:04 johnnyspazz wrote: bummer ill try this anyway ##Vote fishball## if you really wanted to kill ace jspazz why not move the vote over to Ace? Conclusion Obviously all three can't be mafia; just aint physically possible. I'm pretty sure 2/3 lurk in my suspicions though. | ||
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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johnnyspazz
Taiwan1470 Posts
oh wait, yeah, i'm dumb enough to do that | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Anyways I'll try to bring the activity up by posting my top 3 suspects for now: Excluding yourself, your top 3 list is 3 out of 4 remaining players. Just saying. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Fishball The guy is normally semi-active/behind-the-scenes during previous mafia games, yet in this game he's posted jack shit. His only real contribution to the town has been his flawed "mafia list" That was never a real mafia list, hence the statement: PURE SPECULATION. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it Please quote me "sticking" to it and "defending" it. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: He then chooses to vote to lynch citi.zen after citi.zen attacks his list essentially calling it stupid, but offers up no real valid reason for why he's voting for citi.zen. citi.zen used a flaw argument saying that I could be Mafia, where I already mentioned right there that I could very well be. Do all of you guys fail at reading? You make a mistake, I vote for you, pretty much that simple. On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Make a play? What does that mean? citi.zen's trying to discredit your admittedly flawed list! Who wouldn't? IT FUCKING SUCKS. You yourself conceded that when you pointed out that the two blues were ON THE BOTTOM OF THE LIST. 1. I already said the list was pure speculation. You and citi.zen both failed to understand what that means. 2. I specifically mentioned in the post that I could very well be Mafia, and the Town need not believe everything I say. You and citi.zen both missed that as well. 3. Either citi.zen has bad comprehension skills (like the majority of players tbh), or he is playing dumb to "accuse" me, when all the stuff has ALREADY been covered in the first place. I actually think citi.zen is a decent player. Just to elaborate more regarding the term "bad comprehension skills". It doesn't exactly mean the person is bad at reading and/or understanding, although those are the main causes. Another thing is people tend to skim through posts and just start to reply, which is actually even more annoying. A lot of information is lost in translation, key terms are missed, and people just start arguing over virtually nothing (Your post is a good example). This is also one of the reasons why I avoid long daily debates and tend to keep things to myself to a certain degree. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: Fishball admits that the list is flawed yet still tries to stick by/defend it Please quote me "sticking" to it and "defending" it. On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote: nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention. I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL. Unless i'm mistaken me being in the "bottom bracket" would mean you think i could be mafia because i'm "hypothetically" on the second half of your list. You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
On March 31 2010 09:10 nemY wrote: I don't really have time to go through each point you made, but i'll do the best with what little time i have: Unless i'm mistaken me being in the "bottom bracket" would mean you think i could be mafia because i'm "hypothetically" on the second half of your list. You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity. I'm only doing this once. Definitions of "Speculation": - a guess: a message expressing an opinion based on incomplete evidence. - a hypothesis that has been formed by speculating or conjecturing (usually with little hard evidence). Search it up on Google. I've already underlined all the keywords for you. What you've said is hardly evidence, or to say, even related to me "sticking" and "defending" my list. For example, if there is a list of 10 players, and I claim there must be a mafia among 1-3 and 8-10 respectively; A DT comes out and says No.5 is Mafia. I refuse to listen and say it is not possible due to X and Y reasons. THAT would be sticking to and defending my list. So, I created this list purely for speculation (definition above!). What am I supposed to do after? Of course I'm going to speculate! On March 28 2010 13:48 Fishball wrote: nemY being in the bottom bracket which I mentioned before, and his out of nowhere behavior draws my attention. I'm inclined to vote him or citi.zen, or maybe even RoL. I never once said you ARE Mafia did I? Keywords are underlined. What is it again? Speculation! On March 31 2010 06:38 nemY wrote: You're using your list as evidence to support your previous point (my "out of nowhere" behavior) thus you are defending its validity. Now after I re-read what you said above, seems like you got it all wrong in the first place. - First off, my "out of nowhere" statement was AFTER the list, not before. (List on page 10, statement on page 12) - Secondly, all that you've mentioned and quoted on me, I've already explained above. The entire thing is basically speculation, from one point to another. If they don't link, then it would be pointless wouldn't it? On March 31 2010 09:10 nemY wrote: I don't really have time to go through each point you made, but i'll do the best with what little time i have It is quite convenient that among the 5 points I've replied to you, you choose the 3rd one. Sure it is one of the shortest lines, but the others aren't exactly very long either. To me, it's more like you have something to say and reply to regarding this point, but not the others. I understand it is just normal human nature to avoid acknowledging things that are undesirable to your self interest (reminds me of L), but still. Hey, god knows, maybe you really don't have time and you just eyeballed #3 and started replying. This is all about specu... Never mind, I'm sick of this word now. | ||
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Zona
40426 Posts
On March 30 2010 14:59 johnnyspazz wrote: eff this game Play to win. There's only 1-4 real life days remaining in the game anyways so please put forth your best effort. | ||
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nemY
United States3119 Posts
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Fishball
Canada4788 Posts
He has been active in the other game but not this one, even when we don't have that many players left. If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
No lurking to victory over here. | ||
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
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haster27
Taiwan809 Posts
Will split this up into each players because this is taking longer than I expected. First, Fishball First thing that concerns me about Fishball is the way he made a vote on citizen. His first big post is nonsense argument that there are likely to be one Mafia on 1~3, and another around 5~7 due to probability. This is when Zona said in his OP that roles are distributed by random number generator and that lists are clearly alphabetical. I took a quick look at the past games held, and there were lot of instances where Mafia were clumped together on one side of the list. Fishball to my knowledge has played on TL Mafia lots of times, so why is he making such argument? Citizen argued that his 1~3,5~7 idea is senseless, which Fishball responded with a vote calling it a "play". Now this has been already pointed out by nemY, which he defended by stating 1) he said his list cannot be trusted, and 2) the list was created purely for the speculation. This makes his vote make less sense. This is the citizen post that is the problem: Long post saying... that since you are in the middle of the alphabetical player list, you must somehow be innocent? And that there maybe is a mafia in slots 1-3, and another in slots 5-7 (surely not 4 though!) - even though the blues were both bottom of the list? You've lost me Note that main topic of the post was to claim that Fishball's list was senseless (logically for the reasons I stated above) and not to argue that Fishball is Mafia. Now, number one is perfect defense. I post a idea or opinion that could influence other people's thoughts, and when someone writes that idea is flawed, I can criticize him because I wrote in that post that people are free to believe or not believe this idea. Fishball is saying citizen is Mafia for pointing out a flaw in his argument- this is like worse form of OMGUS. I just feel like the vote has been thrown too lightly, especially considering that the idea being criticized was just "speculation" as you state. Another thing I note is that Fishball's first big post implicate Ace pretty heavily for wrong reasons, since out of 1~3 player list Ace is only surviving non-Mafia member. Random hit argument is also ridiculous, since Versatile arguing with citizen gave Mafia far more incentive to kill her than any random Townie like me who post but had not posted any wrong accusations against Townie yet. I did not do firm analysis on Ace yet, so don't know what to make out of this for now. Another thing I note is that Fishball seem to have made a lot of posts that look impressive, but does not help much at all at hindsight; 1~3,5~7 Mafia list, "If I vote randomly, I have XX% chance of hitting Mafia", "Ace, citi.zen, RoL, all give me the same gut feeling. Seems like either one of them are Mafia, or all three of them are green.", "johnnyspazz vote change should be something to be noted". On March 28 2010 16:10 Fishball wrote: Nemy is on top of my gut list, but no point voting for him, unless you guys would change votes. Johnnyspazz haven't posted much. Can't comment. Lurking Mafia? Possible. Especially in a small game setting like this. haster27 have made some logical posts, least concerned as a suspect for the moment. This is the post where he wrote his opinion about all the players before his (still continuing) argument with johnnyspazz occured. First, he comes out of nowhere and state nemY is his top suspect without giving any explanation although he did not post many comments such like johnnyspazz. It should be pro-town move to write at least a sentence about one's reason for suspicion. And I cannot see why I would be treated as least suspect. I checked, and my only contribution was two posts about Xelin absense and Citizen-Ace conflict. Pro-town moves, but definitely not enough to push me out of 'possible Mafia' area. In fact, "If I had the power to kill someone, right here, right now, he would be my top pick" is the correct reaction pro-town player should have toward me, even if just to force me into activity. However, I am concerned about "my top pick" comment. Although I might be lurking Mafia, it is just that- suspicion. There is not much evidence against me besides my preference toward that other game, and in situation where 3 Townie vs 2 Mafia, Town should be trying to lynch suspect with most evidence against him rather than one having dubious alignment. Could have intentionally exaggerated his wording to create a bandwagon attempt against me. Currently I think that he is likely Mafia, although my opinion may change after looking at other players. By the way, don't trust my argument because I may or may not be Townie. This is all speculation, and everyone should make up their minds themselves. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
2.) where is your vote? That said I understand where you come from with the Fishball argument. Trust me, it makes tons of sense. However Fishball may look, you and jspazz look far more suspect. Yes Fishball's logic was crap but you have lurked forever and you don't have a valid excuse. You could read this thread in 10 minutes and make a decent post so what gives? Next Jspazz lurked too. Even worse when he did post well...yea. Clear bandwagoning. I'm sure you yourself would agree you two look the most suspect. | ||
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