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Sry Chile ;-; | ||
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Gonna be like red army....except longer? Lol...And I get to wipe out entire countries?! | ||
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Edit: Unless theirs a North Korea. | ||
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Other than the apocalypse lol. | ||
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And it'd be Armageddon.... | ||
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On March 23 2010 02:46 meeple wrote: I'm not sure that it was just your level of posting that annoyed people but rather that many of your posts were useless. Sitting out a game or two before you can prove that you can post coherently isn't a big deal. But how do you prove you can post coherently while sitting out? -_- Personally I liked many of bills post, when they weren't spammed one liners. L wasn't lying Bill, it made you look like you were trying to hide something. Seriously, we can't have spam like that going on forever, but I think we should give him a chance. Ace's call, and I'm gonna assume he's gonna stand by it. | ||
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Buwhahahaha...Fear me, FEAR ME MUCH. | ||
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;>> That is all. | ||
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Our first order of business should be to find Iran, Pakistan, North Korea...They are clearly the baddies... And maybe Mr. Chavez. | ||
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Is OPEC in this?! | ||
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On March 23 2010 13:39 L wrote: Hey; Better idea. Don't fucking nuke anyone at all because we might lose to radiation. First person to nuke gets chain nuked by everyone else. I call this strategy M.A.D. for Mutually Assured Destruction. Sound awesome? I know it does. Now for day 1 lynch: Kill abenson. Kid's terribad and not worth keeping alive. Aye....I will make certain to fire many nukes in the interest of assuring mutual destruction if things do not go properly. First step of these talks shall be a statement of bargaining. L, if you bus someone for something for a previous game, I can assure you destruction. Abenson has done nothing improper yet in this game and hasn't even had the opportunity to post. I feel he at least deserves the opportunity to prove he can be a better player. We should first discuss a plan of action. Ace was pretty smart by not telling us what countries were included in this game, otherwise we could of simply called out our countries (not including our arsenals), and seen if the country we had mattered. I'll assume countries with anti-nukes are like day time paramedics. I'm curious if their are ones that protect against night actions. While Zona has a decent plan to deter nuking, it involves a lot of secondary nuking. (One nuke = Two more nukes being fired as retaliation). Then his suggestion of a third party scares me into believing he himself is a third party. Seriously, one retaliatory nuke should be enough. We have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation. Until we hear from every person I don't think we should decide on a lynch candidate. We have 2 days to find a target, let's use them. Everyone post an overall strategy, don't just cosign someone elses. I support L's M.A.D. only because I will not let someone bully me, or force a band wagon when half a day hasn't even went by yet. Be wary of following L too hard. I don't support holding grudges like that. Also, Abenson, remember this: I'm only defending for now because you haven't posted. If you continue with your habitual one liners, I may be forced to side with L and support some corrective actions. Don't take this lightly. L is rather amazing at creating band wagons, but I see people have become atleast mildly fed up with his strong grudge holding. We also have no need to day lynch, remember this. We can start shit and throw suspicion as much as possible. Ace said we need a majority of players, and once he notices, the days over. No changing your vote after that. Day cycle ends. This can hurt us severely. Everyone must be active or else we will be thoroughly fucked. Keep yourselves read up on the thread at the least, don't miss anything. If you see a bandwagon, hesitate. Don't just jump on it because you might just wind up ending the day and regret it later. Good Luck. Let's try and play nice. | ||
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[QUOTE]On March 23 2010 15:15 L wrote: Fair enough on the point of having to propose someone for the day 1 lynch. But we better not end up with a situation where every person votes for the same lynch target. [/QUOTE] No one is going to vote for anyone until everyone is given the appropriate time to speak in their own defense. And L said 100% Considering all we need is 54%, 12 players, to vote for a lynch to pass that isn't something we have to worry about. We will atleast give everyone a chance to speak. And I'm by no means the best at behavioral analysis, but you and L both should of realized that only 12 of 22 have to vote for a lynch to pass. Sure that shouldn't happen. But everyone needs to speak. We don't need to just bus someone this fast. | ||
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On March 24 2010 02:04 XeliN wrote: L being banned for 2 days in my eyes means he is not a viable candidate to be lynched, although the posts he has made already I disagree with but that might simply be because he's L and thats my general reaction to whatever he posts. As to the idea of retaliation against a player who has an itchy trigger finger, we have the perfect form of retaliation. We lynch them. Or to put it more bluntly Any player launching a nuke against another without at the very least providing coherent argument for doing so will be lynched. Furthermore the only instance whereby we would launch against a player who acts in this way would be if we already have a good candidate for lynching, then we will nuke or multiple nuke them (I am of the opinion that 2 ought to be enough) To get things started off in the voting section I am going to be Voting ~OpZ~ His post earlier on both seemed different in style to the way he posted in the last game and also was riddled with subtle "I am town" choice of wording, something I consciously made an effort to do in the last game I was mafia so guess I'll go along with my instinct here. I will respond to Elemenope's post in a moment, for whoever asked me to...Xelin voting for me made me want to respond. You didn't respond to anything about my post. You just read my post and says he's trying to claim town. Now Xelin, I hate to tell you this, but your instinct is wrong. Also, your lynch idea as being the perfect retaliation to nuking? Wrong. Let's look at this set up. 22 players. We don't know how many night kills, the number of mafia, if mafia have special roles/nukes. Now, if mafia had an ass load of nukes, it's already certain that we would have a very big problem. I don't think they will have all too many nukes, and firing a nuke is a huge problem. I made an effort to outline a basic idea, and state we shouldn't just jump the gun on lynching. I also said I will not be forced around or follow a bandwagon. Only time I ever really bandwagoned was as mafia. I usually vote against the consensus, as last game when I voted you over BM. Bandwagoning in this game is especially frightening because the days end after a majority, not on a set schedule. I intend to use what power I have to stop this from occurring. Bandwagons are costly in this game. Everyone needs to post how they feel, not just vote. We need to agree on a larger scale I feel before beginning. Also, as for my change of play, the rules are TOTALLY different then most other games. We have nukes, we have a majority lynch that can occur the INSTANT a majority is reached. This means we have to think. Also, check it, Fishball done laid into me last game. | ||
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On March 24 2010 03:38 XeliN wrote: You disagree with my observation on ~OpZ~ fine, i made it clear it was mostly intuitive based on how I tried to act when I was mafia, you then coming out and making what is essentially a slight accusation without actually doing so concerns me more. If I was mafia then yes it might be unintelligent to bring attention to myself early in this way, that is obvious. What concerns me more is did you type that just to state something obvious or did you just want to write the word "mafia" about another player? Slight accusation? He was saying if I was mafia it would be dumb to do as I did? I've done gotten what, 3 votes for that post? Lol. Why? Because I said I wouldn't be pushed around, or watch L create a bandwagon without hearing from a player? | ||
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On March 24 2010 04:19 JeeJee wrote: interesting both you and caller have a knack for not reading the rules. mafia have 1kp per night, it is pretty clear in the op so you say that lynching all nukers is wrong. then you say "look at the setup" but provide no concrete evidence as to what is wrong with it. so, i'm asking you, What is wrong with the lynch all nukers plan? It's a WASTE of time. Do you think mafia will have all kinds of nukes to just launch? To throw themselves out there and pray we don't retaliate? I agree retaliation is necessary, but ending the day right there to give them another kill, when it was most likely an idiot townie? Go look at Caller's game, the CIA agent was the last person to execute someone, and ended the game with it. It's already been stated how big of a gambit it is to just throw yourself out into the open. I agree with retaliating, but directly saying launch 3 nukes is bad, and simply ending the day is bad. The situation should determine the means of countering. That is what my problem with the plans. So far, I like the lynch plan best, because it doesn't increase the ToD. | ||
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On March 24 2010 04:23 XeliN wrote: And OpZ don't read too much into my choosing to vote you atm, we are not going to have much information on anyone this early on and I just intuitively sensed something off in what you posted, could be wrong certainly. Also as to this "Also, your lynch idea as being the perfect retaliation to nuking? Wrong." Firstly I don't think it is perfect, just better than the other option which seems to be Nuke a Nuker, but anyway, why is it wrong? Xelin...Majority =Lynch. Not time frame. You might not be hear if another 9 vote to kill me. So I will read very much into it. You could be mafia or town, not be here, ect. when/if a 9th person votes for me. Sorry, I don't feel it's perfect. It's better than the nuke the whole world policy, tho. One nuke doesn't turn into 3. I like that. | ||
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Aye, give me a moment. I hadn't begun typing it yet. I was trying to catch up with the whole thread. | ||
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On March 24 2010 02:45 meeple wrote: I have to disagree.... if someone nukes without any good reason, the town can just anti-nuke it, no harm done, other than wasting the protection. The person who did it will get bitched out for a while and perhaps lynched/nuked. I do feel we need to progress the game though, so I'm calling out Opz from my guts about his post earlier. Convince me otherwise, but for now ##vote Opz You clearly have anti-nukes. =D Anyway, Long story short, read my post directed at Xelin. | ||
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[spoiler]Original post by elemenope + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2010 17:28 Elemenope wrote: Nukes should be treated as day vigilantes with a game cap. We shouldn't be afraid to use them, but we need to use them smartly or else game over if we abuse it which means there needs to be communication and discussion among everybody about potential targets as a very solid lynch target is also a very solid nuke target (aside from day 1 lynch and assuming we haven't burned through nukes to be near the threshold). With no PMs, it becomes even more imperative that everybody puts some input about topic points. This comes to the main point - usage of nukes/retaliation. I agree with L partially that maybe 2 nukes is a bit too little, but I don't agree with him that everybody should just counter-nuke due to a possible third party win condition. Unless of course by L saying "everybody chain nukes" he means a lot of people nuke rather than "everybody chain nukes." I believe one counter-nuke definitely is not enough. If this was the case, we'd just leave it up to the person who has the nuke called on him to retaliate or have some person claim that he’d counter-nuke and not have any nukes at all. I don’t think this is such a sound plan. Nobody is deciding on a lynch candidate just yet. L is simply throwing an option out there. His reasoning may be off in some people’s viewpoints, but the option is out there which is what’s important. Surely we’re not going to sit here for 48 hours discussing what everybody’s opinions on how our nukes should be used. L isn’t proposing we all agree with him and lynch Abenson which is why he hasn’t actually given a vote. Whether L proposed Abenson, Zona, or anybody else doesn’t matter: the important thing is that extra discussion happens which will give us more tells about the players. This shows why we shouldn’t sit on a day 1 lynch. Yeah, bandwagons shouldn’t happen and with the majority rule, it is imperative that people do in fact think for themselves. However, because we act on a majority rule, nobody is obligated to vote past the majority. Because of that, vote lists are a bit restricted if we don’t make full use of them now when everybody is equally suspect. Although it’s a bit counter-intuitive because we don’t want people to die, we need people to die to get information early on. That being said, I’m putting you out there for a day 1 lynch. This is because you've been in contradiction of what you said earlier about Zona thinking two nukes is too much. L’s deterrence offers that *everybody* nukes the initiator while Zona’s is on almost the opposite end: two is just fine. His plan also has nothing to do with the fact that people are “bullied” or “bandwagoning” either – you said yourself that one nuke should be enough, so why do you care if you are “bullied” by someone? The only thing that person can do during the day is nuke you which you can just retaliate back with “one retaliatory nuke” that “should be enough” according to what you have said. On top of that, you even say that you'll fire as many nukes in retaliation as possible if things do not go as planned. To whose plan? Surely not the town's as "we have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation" according to you. You may be a bit annoyed about how L acted last game, but that should have no bearing on this game. I just don’t see the logic in supporting L’s deterrence plan when proposing the opposite earlier, and when the logic has no link to L’s deterrence plan at all. His deterrence strategy doesn’t have anything to do with people getting pushed around, acting like sheep, or bandwagoning at all – it’s just a countermeasure to people having random nukes launched on them. Consider your stance a bit more. Anyway, going to write a paper. [/spoiler On March 23 2010 17:28 Elemenope wrote: Nukes should be treated as day vigilantes with a game cap. We shouldn't be afraid to use them, but we need to use them smartly or else game over if we abuse it which means there needs to be communication and discussion among everybody about potential targets as a very solid lynch target is also a very solid nuke target (aside from day 1 lynch and assuming we haven't burned through nukes to be near the threshold). With no PMs, it becomes even more imperative that everybody puts some input about topic points. This comes to the main point - usage of nukes/retaliation. I agree with L partially that maybe 2 nukes is a bit too little, but I don't agree with him that everybody should just counter-nuke due to a possible third party win condition. Unless of course by L saying "everybody chain nukes" he means a lot of people nuke rather than "everybody chain nukes." Yea, I don't want the ToD to increase, which is why I can't support it. I stated exactly what you said, we need to hear from everybody. We can't just jump on a vote and bandwagon. I believe one counter-nuke definitely is not enough. If this was the case, we'd just leave it up to the person who has the nuke called on him to retaliate or have some person claim that he’d counter-nuke and not have any nukes at all. I don’t think this is such a sound plan. Why do you think that isn't a good plan? What's wrong with it? Why would the counter nuker counter if he doesn't have any nukes? We can just kill him if he does that, but it really wouldn't matter. Why not just let the person BEING nuked counter, and if HE doesn't have nukes, let another...You didn't really explain here why that's the case? The idea you just said doesn't make sense, or I just can't understand it. I disagree with the firing or nukes for no reason already, but I think we should definitely consider the situation But you really didn't explain anything here. [QUOTE] Nobody is deciding on a lynch candidate just yet. L is simply throwing an option out there. His reasoning may be off in some people’s viewpoints, but the option is out there which is what’s important. Surely we’re not going to sit here for 48 hours discussing what everybody’s opinions on how our nukes should be used. L isn’t proposing we all agree with him and lynch Abenson which is why he hasn’t actually given a vote. Whether L proposed Abenson, Zona, or anybody else doesn’t matter: the important thing is that extra discussion happens which will give us more tells about the players.[/quote Oh, yes. L was assuredly saying we should lynch Abenson. Or atleast that is who he would lynch. Also: [quote]With no PMs, it becomes even more imperative that everybody puts some input about topic points.[/quote] But you are saying we shouldn't just sit here for 48 hours discussing nukes? Okay, I didn't say that. I said don't jump on lynching without giving everyone a chance for input. You even said everyone should speak, and its imperative that they do. Then why complain about me saying it, right afterwards? [quote] This shows why we shouldn’t sit on a day 1 lynch. Yeah, bandwagons shouldn’t happen and with the majority rule, it is imperative that people do in fact think for themselves. However, because we act on a majority rule, nobody is obligated to vote past the majority. Because of that, vote lists are a bit restricted if we don’t make full use of them now when everybody is equally suspect. Although it’s a bit counter-intuitive because we don’t want people to die, we need people to die to get information early on. [/quote] We need death for information, I was only speaking against bandwagoning. There was no real argument between us here... [QUOTE] That being said, I’m putting you out there for a day 1 lynch. This is because you've been in contradiction of what you said earlier about Zona thinking two nukes is too much. L’s deterrence offers that *everybody* nukes the initiator while Zona’s is on almost the opposite end: two is just fine. His plan also has nothing to do with the fact that people are “bullied” or “bandwagoning” either – you said yourself that one nuke should be enough, so why do you care if you are “bullied” by someone? The only thing that person can do during the day is nuke you which you can just retaliate back with “one retaliatory nuke” that “should be enough” according to what you have said. On top of that, you even say that you'll fire as many nukes in retaliation as possible if things do not go as planned. To whose plan? Surely not the town's as "we have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation" according to you. You may be a bit annoyed about how L acted last game, but that should have no bearing on this game. I just don’t see the logic in supporting L’s deterrence plan when proposing the opposite earlier, and when the logic has no link to L’s deterrence plan at all. His deterrence strategy doesn’t have anything to do with people getting pushed around, acting like sheep, or bandwagoning at all – it’s just a countermeasure to people having random nukes launched on them. Consider your stance a bit more. Anyway, going to write a paper. [/QUOTE] Yes, I was annoyed by L. You took my firing of nukes out of context. As in, my death is imminent, I will retaliate. I disagree with most of the nuking plan. I'm sorry I didn't post everything I had considered, but the game had just started as far as I was concerned. His deterrence plan isn't what I'm concerned with. Bully? Try and force a bandwagon. (I will not nuke on this) Try and lynch me. Try and lynch before everyone speaks. (or this) I refuse to accept this. This makes sense to me. I know my role. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On March 23 2010 17:28 Elemenope wrote: Nukes should be treated as day vigilantes with a game cap. We shouldn't be afraid to use them, but we need to use them smartly or else game over if we abuse it which means there needs to be communication and discussion among everybody about potential targets as a very solid lynch target is also a very solid nuke target (aside from day 1 lynch and assuming we haven't burned through nukes to be near the threshold). With no PMs, it becomes even more imperative that everybody puts some input about topic points. This comes to the main point - usage of nukes/retaliation. I agree with L partially that maybe 2 nukes is a bit too little, but I don't agree with him that everybody should just counter-nuke due to a possible third party win condition. Unless of course by L saying "everybody chain nukes" he means a lot of people nuke rather than "everybody chain nukes." I believe one counter-nuke definitely is not enough. If this was the case, we'd just leave it up to the person who has the nuke called on him to retaliate or have some person claim that he’d counter-nuke and not have any nukes at all. I don’t think this is such a sound plan. Nobody is deciding on a lynch candidate just yet. L is simply throwing an option out there. His reasoning may be off in some people’s viewpoints, but the option is out there which is what’s important. Surely we’re not going to sit here for 48 hours discussing what everybody’s opinions on how our nukes should be used. L isn’t proposing we all agree with him and lynch Abenson which is why he hasn’t actually given a vote. Whether L proposed Abenson, Zona, or anybody else doesn’t matter: the important thing is that extra discussion happens which will give us more tells about the players. This shows why we shouldn’t sit on a day 1 lynch. Yeah, bandwagons shouldn’t happen and with the majority rule, it is imperative that people do in fact think for themselves. However, because we act on a majority rule, nobody is obligated to vote past the majority. Because of that, vote lists are a bit restricted if we don’t make full use of them now when everybody is equally suspect. Although it’s a bit counter-intuitive because we don’t want people to die, we need people to die to get information early on. That being said, I’m putting you out there for a day 1 lynch. This is because you've been in contradiction of what you said earlier about Zona thinking two nukes is too much. L’s deterrence offers that *everybody* nukes the initiator while Zona’s is on almost the opposite end: two is just fine. His plan also has nothing to do with the fact that people are “bullied” or “bandwagoning” either – you said yourself that one nuke should be enough, so why do you care if you are “bullied” by someone? The only thing that person can do during the day is nuke you which you can just retaliate back with “one retaliatory nuke” that “should be enough” according to what you have said. On top of that, you even say that you'll fire as many nukes in retaliation as possible if things do not go as planned. To whose plan? Surely not the town's as "we have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation" according to you. You may be a bit annoyed about how L acted last game, but that should have no bearing on this game. I just don’t see the logic in supporting L’s deterrence plan when proposing the opposite earlier, and when the logic has no link to L’s deterrence plan at all. His deterrence strategy doesn’t have anything to do with people getting pushed around, acting like sheep, or bandwagoning at all – it’s just a countermeasure to people having random nukes launched on them. Consider your stance a bit more. Anyway, going to write a paper. On March 23 2010 17:28 Elemenope wrote: Nukes should be treated as day vigilantes with a game cap. We shouldn't be afraid to use them, but we need to use them smartly or else game over if we abuse it which means there needs to be communication and discussion among everybody about potential targets as a very solid lynch target is also a very solid nuke target (aside from day 1 lynch and assuming we haven't burned through nukes to be near the threshold). With no PMs, it becomes even more imperative that everybody puts some input about topic points. This comes to the main point - usage of nukes/retaliation. I agree with L partially that maybe 2 nukes is a bit too little, but I don't agree with him that everybody should just counter-nuke due to a possible third party win condition. Unless of course by L saying "everybody chain nukes" he means a lot of people nuke rather than "everybody chain nukes." Yea, I don't want the ToD to increase, which is why I can't support it. I stated exactly what you said, we need to hear from everybody. We can't just jump on a vote and bandwagon. I believe one counter-nuke definitely is not enough. If this was the case, we'd just leave it up to the person who has the nuke called on him to retaliate or have some person claim that he’d counter-nuke and not have any nukes at all. I don’t think this is such a sound plan. Why do you think that isn't a good plan? What's wrong with it? Why would the counter nuker counter if he doesn't have any nukes? We can just kill him if he does that, but it really wouldn't matter. Why not just let the person BEING nuked counter, and if HE doesn't have nukes, let another...You didn't really explain here why that's the case? The idea you just said doesn't make sense, or I just can't understand it. I disagree with the firing or nukes for no reason already, but I think we should definitely consider the situation But you really didn't explain anything here. Nobody is deciding on a lynch candidate just yet. L is simply throwing an option out there. His reasoning may be off in some people’s viewpoints, but the option is out there which is what’s important. Surely we’re not going to sit here for 48 hours discussing what everybody’s opinions on how our nukes should be used. L isn’t proposing we all agree with him and lynch Abenson which is why he hasn’t actually given a vote. Whether L proposed Abenson, Zona, or anybody else doesn’t matter: the important thing is that extra discussion happens which will give us more tells about the players. Oh, yes. L was assuredly saying we should lynch Abenson. Or atleast that is who he would lynch. Also: With no PMs, it becomes even more imperative that everybody puts some input about topic points. But you are saying we shouldn't just sit here for 48 hours discussing nukes? Okay, I didn't say that. I said don't jump on lynching without giving everyone a chance for input. You even said everyone should speak, and its imperative that they do. Then why complain about me saying it, right afterwards? This shows why we shouldn’t sit on a day 1 lynch. Yeah, bandwagons shouldn’t happen and with the majority rule, it is imperative that people do in fact think for themselves. However, because we act on a majority rule, nobody is obligated to vote past the majority. Because of that, vote lists are a bit restricted if we don’t make full use of them now when everybody is equally suspect. Although it’s a bit counter-intuitive because we don’t want people to die, we need people to die to get information early on. We need death for information, I was only speaking against bandwagoning. There was no real argument between us here... That being said, I’m putting you out there for a day 1 lynch. This is because you've been in contradiction of what you said earlier about Zona thinking two nukes is too much. L’s deterrence offers that *everybody* nukes the initiator while Zona’s is on almost the opposite end: two is just fine. His plan also has nothing to do with the fact that people are “bullied” or “bandwagoning” either – you said yourself that one nuke should be enough, so why do you care if you are “bullied” by someone? The only thing that person can do during the day is nuke you which you can just retaliate back with “one retaliatory nuke” that “should be enough” according to what you have said. On top of that, you even say that you'll fire as many nukes in retaliation as possible if things do not go as planned. To whose plan? Surely not the town's as "we have no idea how many nukes can actually be fired before we wind up fucked from radiation" according to you. You may be a bit annoyed about how L acted last game, but that should have no bearing on this game. I just don’t see the logic in supporting L’s deterrence plan when proposing the opposite earlier, and when the logic has no link to L’s deterrence plan at all. His deterrence strategy doesn’t have anything to do with people getting pushed around, acting like sheep, or bandwagoning at all – it’s just a countermeasure to people having random nukes launched on them. Consider your stance a bit more. Anyway, going to write a paper. Yes, I was annoyed by L. You took my firing of nukes out of context. As in, my death is imminent, I will retaliate. I disagree with most of the nuking plan. I'm sorry I didn't post everything I had considered, but the game had just started as far as I was concerned. His deterrence plan isn't what I'm concerned with. Bully? Try and force a bandwagon. (I will not nuke on this) Try and lynch me. Try and lynch before everyone speaks. (or this) I refuse to accept this. This makes sense to me. I know my role. | ||
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He is useless at all times and if he is mafia it will be hard to discern because his posts are always useless and he never posts any content. Please post something useful, and I will retract my vote. And Elemenope, I don't see what we are arguing over? My post was stating I would use what I have as needed. And I didn't support lynching until everyone posted. We have over 24 hours, and as I've said, we should use them. Only using one nuke in retaliation preserves the ToD. We can always launch another if it's necessary. You act like we can't fire it the next day if necessary? Why must we retaliate within the same day? Please explain what is wrong with that. | ||
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On March 24 2010 07:19 meeple wrote: I agree that we shouldn't use retaliatory nukes so freely, but given a proper situation I wouldn't be against it. It's true that mafia like to ride wrong bandwagons, so it might be useful to look out for people that jump on a shaky idea. It's possible Nemy is feigning ignorance, but its also possible that he doesn't have the time to read the whole thread. On the other hand, he is suspect to me because of how he made a questionable statement that was ill-informed, that promotes the wrong type of ideas. (Saying that OpZ is being an idiot) Glad we're on the same page about retaliatory Nukes Meeple. They should be used situationally. | ||
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And someone, Xelin or Elemenope(?) said not to take L's past game's actions into account? But we are still supposed to use past games to assess their character? Hmm...is this logical to not use past game actions then? Shit, L could possibly have Nukes...it would be better to lynch him while he's gone then wait for him to be here then Nuke right before he dies in order to take peoples with him. Just pointing that out... | ||
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On March 24 2010 09:12 nemY wrote: -Not trying to start shit with you infundi, but every game i've ever played with you, you've feigned ignorance. -I don't think we should vote for L, because he is L. Say I'm riding his dick all you want Versatile, but L contributes a shit ton more to these games than both you and me combined, and given how the day/night cycle is, he'll be back somewhere inbetween Night 1 and Day 2, PLENTY OF TIME FOR HIM TO JUMP ON BOARD AND START RAPING MOTHERFUCKERS. -~OpZ~ calling you and idiot was being somewhat blunt/rude and i apologize for that. Your posting has been very spammish of late though and it's hard to read through everything you post given that not all of us have an unlimited amount of time to devote to this game. Yes you got accused as mafia, even a few votes were thrown your way, but that doesn't mean you have to go Bill Murray on us, there's plenty of time to deter the voters away from you. If the votes didn't operate different this round I wouldn't care. I wouldn't support lynching one of the only people I know that is confirmed town, and since the votes are an instant majority thing it gets a little more scary than usual. Especially if you feel you were bandwagoned after a reasonable statement of things to be aware of this game. | ||
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##Vote: Phrujbaz L has a reason....The rest of you all need to up your posting game. With some content. Okay...I'm going to say this again. We don't need an exact definite decision against nukes. I think our biggest worry will be people about to be lynched firing off their nukes anyway. That's the kind of stunt I would pull. I think that retaliation for nukes should be done on a situational basis. Two nukes is kind of much given that we don't know how much it will increase the ToD. That's my only problem with it. A combination of lynch/nuke is my thought, with some respect for the individual situation. I'm sure random nuking will be enough to piss off a majority of the town. Also, we need to focus on a good lynch target. Be aware that we aren't near a lynch. Even though a few of us have been posting we need the whole towns participation. Not talking is bad for the town. Stuff like that will get you lynched and it's bad for use to not post. One liners don't help. Now please, start posting some content people. Lots of people seem to be wanting to vote L. If he was some random person he would be a good candidate. But he is easily one of our best planners. Even if no lynch occurs today we will have some information gained from it because he will likely be a mafia target tonight, or even if someone else is, we should pay attention for those who push for L's lynch. Johnnyspazz hasn't posted much and voted for L originally. Abenson hasn't either and he voted for L. Nikon hasn't really posted either. I propose Phrujbaz along with Zona. (Should he actually be modkilled right now? Has he confirmed to ace, or in the thread? Game's been up for 24 hours right?) | ||
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On March 24 2010 13:56 johnnyspazz wrote: why should we lynch him right away when he comes back? it's not like being inactive is a confirmation of being mafia. if he does come back, we give him a bit to post so we can analyze him. there are better targets for lynches already. Like? | ||
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Abenson should be confirmed soon enough. I'll RC, or he will in a minute. I figured I would die earlier, so I simple breadcrumbed his name into a post for him to reveal on my death. I will not vote for a confirmed townie over someone unconfirmed. Consider I'll likely be another lynch candidate tomorrow, I might as well save you all some trouble. The post his name is in is on page sixteen. On March 24 2010 11:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: Good point Zona... .... Also, we need to focus on a good lynch target. Be aware that we aren't near a lynch. Even though a few of us have been posting we need the whole towns participation. Not talking is bad for the town. Stuff like that will get you lynched and it's bad for use to not post. One liners don't help. Now please, start posting some content people. ..... I propose Phrujbaz along with Zona. (Should he actually be modkilled right now? Has he confirmed to ace, or in the thread? Game's been up for 24 hours right?) Whether you all want to take this as confirming him, whatever. I gave him strict instructions to only post this on my death to save himself from a town lynch. He seems to be afk a lot, and I will not support his lynch. | ||
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On March 25 2010 06:26 Zona wrote: Alright, here's the deal. I'm not close to being impressed by what Abenson is contributing. But if he and you, OpZ, are claiming masons, I'm willing to try to lynch someone else for now. As of last post: Zona: 32 ~OpZ~: 19 XeliN: 16 Versatile: 16 Amber[LighT]: 14 haster27: 14 Elemenope: 13 JeeJee: 12 Fishball: 9 iNfuNdiBuLuM: 9 meeple: 9 Caller: 9 johnnyspazz: 7 Iaaan: 7 d3_crescentia: 7 nemY: 6 Nikon: 4 Abenson: 4 tree.hugger: 4 RebirthOfLeGenD: 3 Phrujbaz: 2 L: 2 As of now, Rebirth of Legend has the lowest amount of posts (ignoring L), and not one of his three posts is useful. Even L's 2 posts has contributed to the shaping of the town's no-nuke-initiation plan. The other end is the odd argument that he was an extra player added, that probably is town or third party, but that was shot down as we shouldn't make any assumptions on how Ace is laying things out. So I will switch my vote to him. ##Vote: RebirthOfLegend Yes. Me and Abenson are masons. I know his role/country, he knows mine. It's the same role, just different country. Masonic order. I can talk privately with him. Of course I wouldn't state this publically if he wouldn't die. If I was mafia I wouldn't of breadcrumbed his name. This was for later, because I feared my own death, and wanted to protect the only other person I knew was pro town. | ||
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On March 25 2010 06:49 XeliN wrote: I don't really know what to say right now other than wtf are you guys thinking? If both of you do have roles that confirm townies and enable you to talk outside of the game you think rolecalling them on the first day is beneficial to the town in any way? You have some of the most powerful roles in the game, Abenson, all you would need to do is actually post something vaguely useful to have people not vote for you, it was the only reason I changed as someone highlighted you had made one post and that included a Lynch vote. ##Remove Vote (Abstain) for now. He was going to be lynched. He was confirmed to me when I got my role. I had no choice. It was too close to allow it chance, because I have to go to class. I actually left class for a sec to the comp lab to post this and read. | ||
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On March 25 2010 06:51 Elemenope wrote: And the way we resolve this is generally, we lynch one. First day roleclaims are the shittiest thing ever as they detract discussion. If Abenson and OpZ are on the same side as you imply, why not lynch one and we get the validity of the other? The claims can be tested later yeah, but what if we simply don't have time later due to future complications? It'd be better to get rid of one now and then now where the other stands. Because the mafia will just kill the other confirmed townie at night time? It really doesn't matter, I suppose. But you are highly suspect to me right now. | ||
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On March 25 2010 06:57 XeliN wrote: I don't think there is any need to lynch one, It is extremely unlikely that mafia would pretend to have these roles as the roles themselves are not even disclosed, seems fair to assume they are telling the truth. If mafia were going to fake something as elaborate as this then OpZ and Abenson would not be people I would consider capable of doing so. On this hypothesis I think people who voted for OpZ might be more suspicious, people voting for Abenson was prodominantly due to his being inactive and useless, weras OpZ actuallly contributed. If he is innocent the first place to look for mafia might be people jumping on the vote OpZ bandwagon (which I started). I'm kinda typing as I think which is never that successful, I'll try to think through this more clearly but it seems like a good place to potentially start looking for mafia. All this is dependant on OpZ and Abenson being the roles they//OpZ have claimed but that seems likely to me. People voting for L are more suspicious. Let me emphasize...I BREADCRUMBED HIS NAME. What good would that do if I was mafia?! And stop considering yourself so superior? Jesus... | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:14 johnnyspazz wrote: i think the people abstaining are really dumb, you're preventing the town from getting information and we need all the information we can get since there are no clues. if it's true that opz and abenson both know each other's roles and shit, then abenson needs to confirm that in the thread so the suspicion is no longer on them. we can have them both RC each other in the thread so that if one of them dies, atleast we know that the other one is also telling the truth since the majority of the votes are on them. You are clearly against me. Abenson is offline right now, otherwise he would of posted. Plain and simple. You don't post anything of value, and you are trying to get the only person I have confirmed killed. I will not accept this lightly. Be forewarned. | ||
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On March 25 2010 07:28 Elemenope wrote: Tunnel vision? Who are we going to lynch? Highest votes are L and Abenson. I don't feel we should lynch L as he may have some information from all this when he comes back. Who else am I supposed to focus on when OpZ has been making such contradictory claims and dodging posts that call him out? Especially considering if OpZ and Abenson are in fact masons: Abenson replied what....twice? three times? He may not even roleclaim as Mason either. Some great advantage we have. I only call out behavior that seems anti, and other than people not posting at all, OpZ has been making contradictions in his posts that needs to be called upon. I'd do the same to anybody else if I catch it, it's just that OpZ has been making glaringly huge ones which others have noticed as well. It's not tunnel vision at all, it's just pointing out OpZ stupidity and wanting other people's opinions on it. Dodge posts that call me out? I'm in biology right now. I'm assuming Abenson is in Highschool, because he isn't on late, and never posts before 3p.m. What haven't I responded to thats been logical? I've defended myself plenty vs you. You just seem to want me dead. Tunnel Vision was a good tearm? | ||
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Waiting a day to nuke? Okay, What I meant here is simple, I just didn't fully express the idea. After they launch the nuke and it hits, we will see how much the ToD increases. I hadn't further elaborated, because I was more concerned with my own pending possible lynch. Not so subtle sarcasm is sexy, do it some more baby, ooooh yea. | ||
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Ciao for now, will be back. Find some more points please, minus the sarcasm though. | ||
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RoL, the one problem we have now is we don't know who's all on and willing to change their votes. The beautiful thing all this vote shifting is doing is giving us a lot of information though. Even if no one pops dead today, would the mafia really be willing to swap to a mafia target? Maybe one or two, but certainly not the whole mafia team. Just because no one dies, doesn't mean we don't gain information. We just gain it at a later time. Atleast imo. | ||
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If you would like this I will post them...Wow...I'm thoroughly appalled by this... I've asked him prior to him getting voted for to post some content, he hasn't replied...He could of talked it over to me his plans or what not.... -_- But no sense lynching him anyway, he is townie. | ||
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On March 25 2010 11:33 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Even I read this part, wtf? I'm a mason. I can talk outside the thread with Abenson. I'm not sure if I can post what me and him talk about. | ||
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Lol...So far I'm having a decent amount of fun in your game. Too bad I'll probably die during the night phase. Anyway, I'm down for jspazz. Or really anyone who voted to lynch L. Although that's assuming L is townie...So maybe the Abenson lynch wagon would be best to jump on. Again, I support Johnnyspazz on this note. He wanted to kill Abenson to confirm me? After I blatantly explained my elaborate post to save Abenson in, what I perceived to be, the distant future? My post where I breadcrumbed, was WAY before the lynch Abenson bandwagon came up and I thought my own death was imminent. I think I got up to 8 or 9? And yet, despite that being so far ahead of Abenson's near lynch, he still pushed for me to PROVE innocence? What better way to prove it? IF I would have died Abenson would of been confirmed. I expected to die and for him to confirm himself using it. That is why I support lynching Jspazz. Whether it be today or tomorrow, if RoL must die for sake of punishment.... Sorry RoL...I really never supported the lynch on you, it was just a point was made. You posted exactly as nemy posted (minus being rude to me), but for some reason yours seemed enough to get you lynched while Nemy's post didn't seem enough to get him lynched? Odd... And RoL...I can't blame you for launching the nuke...Caller was one of the people I would of considered too.... | ||
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On March 25 2010 15:22 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Opz when was I rude to you? Sorry if I was :D I don't even remember. The lynch on me was messed up, within 2-3 pages I had around 8 votes and there was no actual evidence besides Zona saying "yo hes inactive, get'em dawgz" which was a big wtf? Yeah, maybe I could of played it better. However I like the way this is turning out so far. It makes me feel as though Zona is full of shit and I hope at the end of this some perspective is gained. Nemy, not you. Yea...Jumping on you was kinda a weird path to go down. Sorry though, you understand why I had to defend Abenson though, yes? | ||
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On March 25 2010 15:23 johnnyspazz wrote: oops sorry i need to also check my facts, opz was ahead of abenson in votes at in the beginning at like 2:0 then it became 3:4 and abenson stayed in the lead Sorry...I thought it was actually 5 (Xelin changed his vote right before I got another vote on me so it was 4), but I was insanely paranoid. And then it switched from me to my partner catching my partner catching the flack. Stressful day. | ||
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On March 24 2010 11:57 ~OpZ~ wrote: Good point Zona... ##Vote: Phrujbaz L has a reason....The rest of you all need to up your posting game. With some content. Okay...I'm going to say this again. We don't need an exact definite decision against nukes. I think our biggest worry will be people about to be lynched firing off their nukes anyway. That's the kind of stunt I would pull. I think that retaliation for nukes should be done on a situational basis. Two nukes is kind of much given that we don't know how much it will increase the ToD. That's my only problem with it. A combination of lynch/nuke is my thought, with some respect for the individual situation. I'm sure random nuking will be enough to piss off a majority of the town. Also, we need to focus on a good lynch target. Be aware that we aren't near a lynch. Even though a few of us have been posting we need the whole towns participation. Not talking is bad for the town. Stuff like that will get you lynched and it's bad for use to not post. One liners don't help. Now please, start posting some content people. Lots of people seem to be wanting to vote L. If he was some random person he would be a good candidate. But he is easily one of our best planners. Even if no lynch occurs today we will have some information gained from it because he will likely be a mafia target tonight, or even if someone else is, we should pay attention for those who push for L's lynch. Johnnyspazz hasn't posted much and voted for L originally. Abenson hasn't either and he voted for L. Nikon hasn't really posted either. I propose Phrujbaz along with Zona. (Should he actually be modkilled right now? Has he confirmed to ace, or in the thread? Game's been up for 24 hours right?) The paragraph beginning with also. First letter of each sentence in that paragraph. | ||
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On March 25 2010 19:03 Bill Murray wrote: Irrelevant as soon as he launched that nuke. I don't know. I feel that I probably would of done the same. Not sure if Abenson would of done the same too, as we haven't really talked of nuking policy but he seemed content about the threat of nuking as a deterrent to lynch...although I pretty much just guaranteed we don't get lynched but get mafia killed. Lol...Although I don't really know how useful it would be to kill us. Ain't like we are DT's... | ||
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On March 25 2010 21:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't understand why someone launches a nuke when we specifically say "DO NOT LAUNCH ANY NUKES IF YOU ARE PRO-TOWN." What the hell RoL? There is a limit to how many nukes can be launched, and you arbitrarily decided to send one flying through the air? We have no info in this thread right now other than than the fact that you're acting like an idiot. I can understand it =/ He knows he's not mafia. He wants to feel involved. And he has pointed out his suspicion of a good player. Whether he is an idiot or not, only time will tell. I would love to hear a serious post from caller. (I lol'd massively at his response to the nuke) Remember Amber, I've pretty much said I would do the something similar.... | ||
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On March 25 2010 23:37 L wrote: Lol i'm back :3. 1) If abenson confirms that he/opz are masons, killing one of them lets every person in the game roleclaim to opz via confirmation. This is big shit. Abenson already confirmed it in the thread. PM's are disallowed unless your role grants it. And I've pretty much explained his and my own innocence pretty satisfactory I feel. | ||
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On March 25 2010 12:00 Abenson wrote: I'm sorry, I have had quite a busy week... First of all, I would like to thank ~OpZ~ for saving me back there, when I was on the chopping block. I really appreciate it but I was unable to give my thanks to you right away. I also apologize in advance of my complete uselessness in terms of aiding the town. Here is my attempt at redemption: Note: I hereby confirm that I am indeed in a mason with ~OpZ~ I would like to point out johnnyspazz He's been active in terms of defending L early on in the game, when we were bickering whether or not to kill him day 1 Also, he seems to be quite intent on pushing for a lynch of random people, jumping from one person to the next This is after ~OpZ~ saved my ass and managed to convince many that I am town. It should also be noted that he voted for me, L, RoL, nemy off the top of my head. JSpazz's post count has been near the middle. He may be active, but he hasn't posted anything that I would count as extremely helpful. The only thing he has posted is his opinion on the matter and nothing analytic. Conclusion: Like ~OpZ~, I am hereby suggesting JSpazz as a lynch victim. P.S. I know that many of you don't have a good impression of me, but I believe that by now, thanks to ~OpZ~, you believe I am at least pro-town. Therefore I would like to request that you do not waste lynches on me and I will attempt to improve as a mafia player on overall. Or Nemy. Nemy's play style will make it extremely difficult to discern his alignment by analytical means. =( I don't feel just having anti-nukes makes you too special... I pretty much have claimed to have the capacity to nuke everyone into oblivion.... Dunno...Whole world's wild... Thoughts on Nemy/Jspazz versatile? I still dunno...Like I've said, I probably would of pulled RoL's nuke stunt. But I would of already accepted death as inevitable by that point... | ||
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On March 26 2010 01:20 haster27 wrote: Okay, I am starting to note that some people are abstaining due to RoL's obviously pissed-off Townie behaviour and is thinking of pursuing other suspects. We need to decide upon now what we want to do, because wishy-washy behaviour delaying who to lynch at the last minute could lead to no lynch. Since returning point of L who I had been advocating for has been disappointing so far, I at least want to salvage day one with some form of information. My position is that unless there are clear suspect, we should maintain our vote on RoL. This is solely because of his nuke launch; had we not discussed that showing unwillingness to punish the player from non-consensus lynching will quickly collapse this Town into state of Wild Wild West? If we let him go off free, what prevents any random Townie or random Mafia from suddenly nuking someone with somewhat convincing reasoning? His reason for nuking...Is the same reason any selfish townie that knows he's townie, or mafia with nukes would use. Nuke the fuck outta a bitch. I honestly feel we haven't voted for a single mafia yet, with the exception of possibly L. L has caught so much defense, which can be understandable, so I won't write him off yet. No one else has...RoL's losing support...But I feel we should follow through with RoL....Just to see where the people that dropped their votes off of him lie.... That will provide us with more information than changing to someone else. | ||
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On March 26 2010 01:25 Versatile wrote: wait...what....lemme listen.....yup...that's right. *nods* i still don't care. listen. at some point, all of you are going to have to decide: is L a good mafia player who makes dumbass mistakes, or is he a bad mafia player? going off the assumption that he's awesome at this game, a mistake of that nature should be beneath him, and strikes me as something to note. in an case, since when has pissing someone off deter me from making a comment? lecture someone who cares. You can be rather rude homie...Although it reminds me of Showtime. Downside, Flamewars between townies. Upside, piss off a weak mafia member, and you made townie day. Chances are the first is more probable. =P | ||
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On March 26 2010 05:46 L wrote: Oh yeah, ##Vote tree.hugger Kid clearly wanted to wagon me. I'd much prefer that we nuke the shit out of RoL and use anti-nukes on any retaliatory strikes. If he's town he shouldn't throw extra nukes out. If he's mafia, good. 2 seems like a good number of missiles. The list of people who wanted to off me during a 36 hour ban is either full of retards, mafia, or people who are still consumed with the ghost of the rage donut. I suggest the best course of action for the town is to simply lynch everyone on that list. Except me. I only voted you to push you ahead of Abenson. I never supported the lynch of you, I just merely said if someone that did pops red, we slaughter you like a pig. =D | ||
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Make's sense that RoL wouldn't retaliate if he were town...And increasing the ToD would reduce the incentive of Mafia to nuke later in the game. Don't know if we have enough people to switch the lynch to tree.hugger though... Everyone lurking right now please post, yay or nay to this....As haster said, it seems to be a pretty legit plan. I also don't support L on a warpath either, but it seems like a nice plan. So everyone, roll call. Let us know whos here. Also L...No SC2 in my life, sadly. | ||
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On March 26 2010 07:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I think you have misinterpreted my post. I was expressing my surprise that the town had somehow formed a lynch wagon on you for the sole reason of inactivity, esp. in light of the other inactives around. I personally would not have voted for you, but you decided to nuke Caller. The point of my first paragraph is that originally you were going to be lynched for being inactive (a bad reason, given that there were better lynch targets for today), but when you became active again - a chance to redeem yourself and show interest - you decided to nuke Caller, thus forcing the town to kill you anyway in a grim irony. It is thus 'tough shit' for the town. His nuking of Caller is the only reason we have time to talk about this. L, I thought of a potentially deadly downside to your plan. You being mafia, 2 possible town kills become 3. There is no guarantee that anyone listed is mafia. While, you did catch tree.hugger lurking, and the plan does sound pretty rational, the missing information is very much a problem. I would be willing to risk it though and change my vote to tree.hugger. | ||
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One thing in L's defense, he was almost bussed earlier, so I'm less suspicious of him. Forgot about that a second ago. SERIOUSLY PEOPLE, READ L'S PLAN WITH TREE.HUGGER AND POST IF YOU ARE HERE AND WILLING TO DO IT. HELL, POST IF YOU ARE HERE ANYWAY. WE NEED SOME THOUGHTS, THIS IS IMPORTANT | ||
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On March 26 2010 08:11 L wrote: Its potentially deadly that we aren't hitting assured mafia members? Shocker. That's kinda the risk that any lynch has. Exceptionally. We don't know how many mafia, or how town aligned you are. =P Conspiracy theory: L is mafia trying to make us kill 3 townies?! But you almost got bussed so I doubt it. | ||
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On March 26 2010 08:06 Iaaan wrote: I think your suspicious of me just because I was being rude to you. RoL has given us alot of nice content, which is good, when we kill him we will learn more from his posts than we would have if he didn't post at all, obviously. While RoL may disagree with the no nuke thing, that is too bad, if he really wanted to use nukes it would be fine to discuss it, not to just use one. He has to die or the game could easily just turn into a shitstorm. We should not waste our anti nukes to shoot his nuke down; Caller has not done anything that makes him worth saving. Simple as that, we get information, we lose someone who has not proved useful. Welcome back L O: Treehugger seems semi reasonable to lynch (at least for day 1), but it will have to wait. How posted why already, and in addition to that, we only have like an hour left to vote, right? Not enough time to switch to anyone but RoL. tl;dr Lynch RoL, Nuke Caller, wait for night post Shitstorm? Do you think this will be like Callers game? No. Executions were instant in that game. We have a 24 Hour chance to stop nukes. And I know for a fact their are anti-nukes floating around. Don't suck up to make yourself any less suspect. We already stated we could slaughter RoL even if we didn't lynch him. So switching doesn't matter, because RoL would still die even if he didn't get lynched. Ya dig? | ||
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Lol. You said he would be a good candidate. (I'm going to wait for Ace's post of epic pissed offness that will surely occur. I'm sure he's going to laugh too...but probably be mad...actually...I'm just very curious what you do Ace, so please let us know your first reaction...I chocked on Hawaiian punch lol) | ||
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On March 26 2010 08:36 haster27 wrote: I'm worried about Ace typing in something like "L launched a normal missile, and since it has been launched from its country, it just took 1 seconds to return back and blast the hell out of the idiotic base that had ordered to bomb itself" because this is game-breaking; the person about to be lynched can literally keep doing this eternally when he do not have any nukes. Touche...But they really can't. They can only fire one nuke per 24 hours. And at the end of the 24 hours its instalynch. And if that was a problem.. L could set up a nuke at me if he'd like. My proud nation is not afraid of nuclear missile strikes! | ||
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On March 26 2010 07:41 L wrote: I think they town shouldn't save Caller because saving him would save someone? Well no shit, sherlock. A better argument might be "because I honestly think he's mafia", but you seem to have avoided that for some reason. Anyways, RoL just said he has no more nukes. If he lies, he's mafia. That pretty much green lights my plan. I'd rather not try to change the vote target and have people fail because we don't have enough people, so I'm going to go ahead and ask people: If you're cool to engage with the nuke RoL and lynch tree.hugger plan, say so in the thread. Lurking people work against us here. Please people...We need input on this tree.hugger plan... And I noticed Tree.Hugger "disappeared" again. Along with Iaaan, after your crazy ass pulled that shit. Also, did it say the server was too busy a few minutes ago? | ||
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On March 26 2010 09:49 Fishball wrote: This scenario just seems kinda off to me. Keep in mind Mafia can have anti-missile powers too. That's why I said he should come forward. And that thing about Japan? Uh no? Trust me, the countries that have shit, don't make sense. Watch L be USSR. And have no nukes. | ||
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On March 26 2010 09:52 tree.hugger wrote: What is the obvious reason? So we can lynch them? So we can not lynch them? What is gained by knowing who did this? Your assumption about Japan only having one anti-nuke cannot be proven, and in fact, the fact that the anti-nuke was used so early perhaps suggests that this player has other options at their disposal. Who cares? Nukes/Anti-nukes are not all that important. What is important are actual roles/lynches/night kills. Seriously. You're probably going to die tomorrow. Let's face that. Nikon maybe too, but I'm still supporting Nemy or Jspazz, or someone that provides nothing. Abenson built a decent case against Jspazz, but it was brushed off by a "I couldn't make up my mind" when it was more "I was riding every bandwagon to pop up" -_- Produce something useful. Post a list of suspects that doesn't include the almost bussed L. I've stated my suspicions. Nemy will be insanely hard to confirm for town or against town. (I don't know if I was clear on why I'm suspicious of him, but he's always suspicious) | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:06 tree.hugger wrote: So you're arguing that if the anti-nuker is mafia, then it would be in the best interests of the town for them to claim firing the anti-nuke? Well yeah, okay, sure, good luck with that. True... So we should assume you've launched the anti-nuke. Where is my request for suspects that don't include L? | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:12 L wrote: No, I'm not. If the anti-nuker is town, he will probably step forward unless he has another ability, which is unlikely. If he's mafia and doesn't step forward, then RoL should nail Caller 100% and we can be happy that mafia just wasted an anti-nuke. If you are town anti-nuker, and that was all you had, or even if you have a nuke in reserve, please come forward. You are by no means that suspect. This does not guarantee your death by no means. <--Confirmed town with Abenson...Thats two names chalked off the board of potential mafia. Of course thats annoying. And who's to say our only abilities are just talking at night? You've already seen a role that hasn't been used often (possibly ever on TL) when RoL died. Ace is going kind of all out. Then theres L, he's usually a big target, look how he almost got bussed and say he isn't a target for the mafia. Zona too. Caller too if he isn't mafia. So given all this, should someone who merely anti-nuked really be afraid of being killed by the mafia? That is retarded to say the least. Oh, and Elem too. Plenty other targets. | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:13 Nikon wrote: Yeah, but what happens if the anti-nuker is town, steps forward, and RoL nails caller, who in turn flips red? Make a case arguing with how zona and bm said use them at your own discretion | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:14 johnnyspazz wrote: jesus christ opz, you are pissing me off so much with your retarded non-sense. if agreeing with someone and voting with them is just riding a bandwagon, then youre also guilty of riding bandwagons. I voted for L to save abenson, I voted for RoL to save abenson, I voted for Nemy as an opening vote, Do you really want to say I've rode bandwagons? Phrubjaz was because Zona brought up one good point. I build a case against Nemy, Zona was trying to force talking, L was ahead of Abenson, and RoL got the people from L onto him somehow. Yep....I was forced into some wagons, but I argued against lynching RoL, and L...I made cases, what did you do? | ||
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On March 26 2010 10:14 Zona wrote: Are you still operating under the assumption the anti-nuker only has spent his or her only anti-nuke and is now vanilla? Because I don't think it's a good assumption, and if this player is town and still has at least one anti-nuke, I would not want this player to step forward and become a mafia target at night. Should that matter? mafia has better targets. Plenty of them. | ||
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Okay, Spazz for Iran. Tree.Hugger, why the hell would a mafia breadcrumb a name? To play arrogant? That would be retarded of me. I'm pretty sub par, but give me some credit. I did it to save Abenson because if I died, I knew I would flip mason and he would be able to confirm himself. And also, what initiated most of the votes against me? It was when L proposed voting for Abenson and I said I would nuke to defend against bandwagoning (I was only concerned about bandwagoning Abenson). Stop trying to discredit my claim. It's stupid and illogical. | ||
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On March 26 2010 14:39 ~OpZ~ wrote: Wow....Can't really support the random nuke on L....So...Wow... Okay, Spazz for Iran. Tree.Hugger, why the hell would a mafia breadcrumb a name? To play arrogant? That would be retarded of me. I'm pretty sub par, but give me some credit. I did it to save Abenson because if I died, I knew I would flip mason and he would be able to confirm himself. And also, what initiated most of the votes against me? It was when L proposed voting for Abenson and I said I would nuke to defend against bandwagoning (I was only concerned about bandwagoning Abenson). Stop trying to discredit my claim. It's stupid and illogical. Let me make sure this post is seen. One reason I was garnering votes earlier, was because I went against L's idea of Abenson so strongly, to the point of threatening to use a nuke. (L got banned nearly right afterwards, saving my ass from arguing with him severely, and I'm sure, accusing and bussing me) | ||
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L...if you aren't about to be saved, please launch a fake at me so I'll have time to react and Nuke the piss outta versatile..... Actually, Launch it at Caller just in case =D Also, L. I can't guarantee you protection, but I sure as fuck hope you get protected. I also feel Japan is probably Mafia aligned. Abenson said the idea to me, but he used the context of ww2. But that is irrelevant correlation in my opinion. Japan hasn't stepped forward to explain the reasoning, and I by no means intended to vote for whoever claimed it. They should of let it hit caller as he hasn't contributed yet. We could of used that to protect someone that actually has posted a considerable amount of content and ideas. Poked and prodded many players. He's being killed why? Not because he's scummy, but because people find him annoying? Why do people find him annoying? Because he refuses to be told he's wrong? That's some bull shit. Ace does this too., but we hardly see this argument used against Ace. It's a very useful way to argue in mafia honestly. Town aligned or mafia aligned. It gathers a lot of information. So I fully support another anti-nuke again to save L. Versatile...Would you like to see what the world looks like in Fall Out 3? | ||
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We already know we will have no explanation by Versatile. I doubt she truly is scum. She just is retarded and is killing arguably one of the most pro-town players. And as L said, when he had thought he was about to die, pay attention to his vote list. Almost all the mafia will be on there, which I'm sure, is in mine and his opinion. ;>> And sadly, I'll assume ghost L will not be able to replace Abenson -_- FUCK...and I forgot about Elem...-_-...Fuck you N.K. | ||
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Also, if you have an anti-nuke PLEASE god save L again. Look this is retarded to argue he's mafia. And when he pops green EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has pointed their finger at him will have a problem: To explain why they wanted him dead so hard before he had gotten back from his ban. Inactivity?! L as BM has said, L has made more posts than most people in this thread, and HE WAS GONE FOR 48 HOURS! Oh, and the difference between L's posts and most other peoples posts? HIS ARE NOT DEVOID OF CONTENT. Points for saving L -most likely green (he was getting bussed for being inactive, rofl) -has posted plenty of useful information, and probably outed a mafia or two already Also, where has Zona gone?!?!? | ||
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-_-...Our eyes will be opened up in a very short time...But again... L please extend the day by launching the fake at Caller...who knows, he might actually post then. | ||
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On March 28 2010 13:43 tree.hugger wrote: And you read all of my arguments so fast! + Show Spoiler + Oh wait, you totally ignored them, and posted anyway. Why am I not surprised? Actually I was probably his biggest supporter because he was so obviously town it was disgusting...Now I've pretty much decided to Nuke you, but I just want to read the rest of the thread, ya dig? | ||
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On March 28 2010 18:16 Zona wrote: (part 4) I really think Versatile really stepped out of line, and tree.hugger/Xelin to a lesser extent, but with recent developments I really don't think we should immediately lynch or revenge-nuke them, simply because of the reality I described in the earlier parts. What happened to my earlier stance on revenge-nuking? Revenge-nuking at this point in the game just opens more opportunities for the original nuker to launch more nukes, which we want to avoid. So at least for now, let's not revenge-nuke. How about lynching our nukers? Actually, I'm rather on board for a Versatile lynch since she's launched more nukes than our other nukers and shows no sign of stopping. But there are so many hours before we can make our the next lynch, we might as well see what develops before we make our decision. Maybe someone else will show even more significant signs of being a mafia member in the hours to come. Our next lynch IS a long time away (real-life time), so I'm not going to commit my vote just yet. (part 5) I don't suggest following L's plan even if he was town. As I stated earlier, the town has the least amount of information early game and the highest chance of picking the wrong suspects, so hold your fire. (Plus L was totally wrong in most of his calls that he made without relying on DT-check last game.) However I do support keeping an eye on the suspects he has indicated, as now that we know he's town, his list of suspects are free of mafia bias. (It doesn't necessarily make his suspect list ACCURATE, though.) Summary: As a town, we have the least amount of information early in the game, so we should be slow to kill. As we gain more information and our suspicions become more solid, then it could possibly (but not necessarily) be useful for the town to kill more quickly. As a town, our lynch for the day is already completed. The only thing we can do now is either: - Wait - Launch more nukes I am against launching more nukes - so let's wait and see what happens. Part 4? Your seriously advocating keeping Xelin and tree.hugger alive? L had a serious point that I whole heartedly agreed with on tree.hugger. And Xelin pretty much guaranteed himself death, and we might as well kill him to see if Elemenope was being nuked by mafia. Why so scummy right there Zona.... | ||
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You were also the one who pointed to lynching RoL. I understand he was inactive Versatile...I know Iaaan's made some super scummy ass posts...Consistently advocated letting the nukes on L land. I think I'ma go see if he commented on Caller's nuke... On March 25 2010 09:58 Iaaan wrote: @haster27 I think we should let his nuke hit Caller. There isn't really any reason not to, its not like losing him is a big loss, we shouldn't waste our anti nukes, and we get more information. I doubt RoL is mafia (of course he still has to be lynched), so I think that it is better to let the nuke hit. And big lol at Abenson for coming to vote for RoL and not saying anything about opz. How stupid can you get? If you are masons you need to confirm it. If you aren't, we need to know to. Saying nothing just makes us think your even stupider, you have an easy opportunity to be useful, and you just ignore it. Okay...Well...This tells me that if Caller is mafia, Iaaan isn't (unless he knew Japan would save). I think believing the first part of that is more likely.... Xelin also supported Caller being Nuked On March 25 2010 10:41 XeliN wrote: I say let it fly. Also on page 27 they both advocate letting the nuke fall again, within a very short amount of time of each other. Infun hasn't posted too much. On March 25 2010 15:36 meeple wrote: Well... as this game goes on, that much is becoming more clear. It took some desperation to get a majority vote, so getting everyone to agree on a nuke is tough in any case. I'd like to urge people to rethink their votes. For me... I'm going to change my vote to ##vote tree.hugger He has very few posts in the thread, and they center around lynching L because he'll be inactive. More than anything, I want him to step up and post more and defend himself. Before L was unbanned, Meeple noticed tree.hugger voted for L and fought for it because L would be inactive. Funny isn't it? I think Meeple is town aligned. On March 25 2010 15:54 Zona wrote: Thank you for that response to the latter part of my post, meeple. Please respond to the middle portion which I will repost here. I see no good reason for you to delay naming your "obviously better targets" based on criteria other than being inactive, so perhaps you could kindly name them now? The biggest strike against tree.hugger seems to be that he hasn't posted much, along with the vote for L without a post to back it up. It will give the town the benefit of your analysis and show how I was mistaken to focus on inactives. Please do recall that I pointed out RoL when he only had 3 posts, all of them content-free. Huh? HI AMBER!!!! On March 23 2010 23:08 Amber[LighT] wrote: ^^ All this bio-chemical warfare. We should go for the ez kill then and go for L if he's going to be inactive anyway. Any other target would be foolish at this point, unless someone thinks there's any reason to suspect anyone else. ##vote L Elem supports keeping L alive, note this On March 23 2010 19:01 Elemenope wrote: He still has time to contribute or cast a vote. It'll require a nuke to go off though. Which kind of contradicts what the few of us who are up have been saying though =\ JeeJee too! On March 23 2010 23:25 JeeJee wrote: also why the fuck are you voting for L? sure he will be afk for 2 days, but when has L's activity ever been a problem in mafia? as soon as he's unbanned, he'll hop right back in. Let me point this post out, as my position on Caller, he came up with the idea to prolong days, and give L a chance to get into the game, without getting bussed originally. On March 24 2010 00:55 Caller wrote: Well guys, in case nobody noticed, before we can lynch anybody, a nuke has to be launched, or day won’t end. Seeing as how nobody else has been an obvious target, I propose that we "nuke" L this turn around. As town, we need more information, and the best way of getting information is by killing a few people. For instance, we don’t have any idea what possible roles there are, aside from our own. More importantly, he won’t be able to contribute to town for a good 40 or so hours. By which, of course, the day would have ended, timewise, unless we nuke somebody to postpone it another 24 hours. And if necessary, we can always delay the day by nuking someone that’s already being nuked, or somebody without any nukes can launch a “nuke” to prolong the day. In fact, the best way to go about this is for somebody without any actual nukes to nuke L. This will postpone the day and give us a lynch without raising ToD or killing L in the event he is town. Since a nuke has to go off to progress the day at all, a fake nuke at this point would be the best. We should save our real nukes for when we need them. Nikon says he doesn't think killing L too quickly would be a good thing. And points his FoS at Caller....(he quoted Caller's above post in this post) On March 24 2010 01:07 Nikon wrote: Let's not nuke anyone just yet, shall we? While I disagree with L's general plan of nuke retaliation, killing him quickly may prove to be hurtful in the long run, ESPECIALLY if we use nukes. Going towards the ToD so fast isn't good. Your post is pretty suspicious. And having a player without nukes nuke him? That's not going to accomplish anything, since nuking anyone isn't required to end the day in the first place. P.s. Zona keeps suspicion going at caller on pages 10 and 11. Tree.Huggers vote for L On March 24 2010 03:04 tree.hugger wrote: As per the typical Mayor decision to lynch the most inactive person, I say we should just lynch L, and avoid the eventual abrasive spam that will descend on this thread in two days time. ##vote L Versatile (jack ass) Abenson(mason) are the next to vote for L...I shoulda whopped him for that -_- Then JohnnySpazz...(green) Hi Hi Iaaan!! He might be a townie afterall!! Honestly, my suspicions of Iaaan occur later, in pages numbered 40- 55 I think. It's just how his posts are speaking I think. On March 24 2010 08:27 Iaaan wrote: Bullshit, your just hopping on the bandwagon because L called to get you lynched. Revenge voting is stupid. Everyone bandwagoning on L needs to stop, he will be back before day 2, and by killing someone without any posts, what information do we get as town? none. We can lynch L after he comes back if he is action scummy/stupid, it is a waste to do it before. He has contributed with a plan and will be active when he is back. If you think that the day 1 lynch is a crapshoot, your right, but voting for someone just because they are banned for a little bit, especially when they have been actively posting content is retarded, there are plenty of other people who haven't contributed, and who obviously wont bring in any content to the game. Therefor, I am voting for Abenson. Its between him and johnnyspazz who are hopping on the bandwagon. Bandwagonning is scummy, Mafia would love to get someone else killed asap to protect themselves an be able to pass the blame for it, that is the only reason I can think of for voting L without posting any real reasons of, other than just being bad. Think for yourselves, and if your going to follow someone elses ideas, at least choose good ones. ##vote: Abenson I'm just going to leave Fishball's post up to someone else...I can't even see his intentions at all. Lol. He didn't wanna argue with L, but it's obvious by this point L's getting quite the amount of votes. On March 24 2010 09:13 Fishball wrote: ##Vote: L Ironically, I don't like retaliation. Or do I? So Iaaan starts defending L rather swiftly...and BAM here comes, you guessed it, the all knowing tree.hugger...Rather scummy. On March 24 2010 09:43 tree.hugger wrote: Don't let L's reputation for being frightening and wrong discourage you. His guesses haven't gotten better over time, and I doubt a two day break will help his logic sober up. That man should never be let near a blinking red button, take him out. Also the 'or worse' clearly means a kind of 'Dr. Strangelove' doomsday device. Purity of Essence, remember, PoE, PoE, Purity of Essence.... + Show Spoiler + On March 24 2010 11:49 Iaaan wrote: Going back a few pages... Sup, North Korea, I hope you aren't still hoping to throw all those nukes around, or maybe you will be the one to lynch day 1. I like your posts, but make sure you are clear. I can see why people are voting for you, need to be less ambiguous. ^_^ Haha...N.K. comment... Another confirmed townie votes for L On March 24 2010 21:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I will be later tonight and can read everything, but at the moment I don't have time. I have class 10-6 EST but can read after that. I will vote for L just in case I don't get back in time. ##I vote for L Now...this post comes at what I'd like to consider a more crucial time...and D3 hasn't said much so this is a little out of place...Abenson and me were gaining votes, and now would be a good time for the mafia to start voting L. He was still, or was almost, the vote leader at the point. On March 25 2010 01:06 d3_crescentia wrote: Lunchtiem. Don't really feel too strongly for anyone right now, though I'd rather vote L than Abenson, because L could dick over the town way harder. Abenson, well, doesn't really *do* anything so we can lynch him anytime. ##vote L I role claimed around this time, and then Zona jumps to my aid...LMNOP was trying to still get Abenson lynched or atleast considers it an option still...so its kinda weird here...-_-...I dunno...And Xelin comes to my aid...weird... On March 25 2010 07:28 XeliN wrote: I'm going to ##vote Elemenope . He has contributed alot and from what I have read I don't see how it is possible that he would argue for lynching one of OpZ and Abenson, now we know they are confirmed, from a pro-town perspective. Other than that I would switch to voting for the least active poster if it means getting a majority. I'll post a little more on the importance of most of this. Versatile (? Jack ass?) JohnnySpazz (Green)) Abenson (blue) ~OpZ~ (Blue RoL (Blue/Green) Tree.Hugger (Nuked L (medic) without agreement) Fishball ( -_- ) Might be missing a few, very tired....2 hours of sleep. And hung over. 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On March 28 2010 21:30 Zona wrote: Also - as for believing that they have no more nukes left or will hold back from nuking any further...if you're going to believe that, why not believe they're town? (I'm NOT saying they're town. I'm saying that their claims that they will not nuke again are not trustworthy.) No...more the fact you were one of the people willing to let someone I confirmed die by lynch...And the stance as in putting Caller back at the top of suspects. Believe me, I'm sure no ones forgotten Caller hasn't posted in probably 25 pages. But look how many of our suspects supported letting Caller get merc'd by the nuke? Sure that coulda been a scum ploy to pretend it and then knock it out at the last minute, but I think the mafia woulda anti-nuked it a little later than that. | ||
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And shit, my list was wrong, I forgot to put Amber on it. Amber -argued ostensibly for lynching L almost solely on inactivity, with meeple and Iaaan arguing consistently for his being saved. My talking about the connections with Caller...Well the whole point is, if caller flips, then we get to see a much bigger piece of the puzzle. I would, if that were the case, instantly believe you were a townie. I would have much more faith in Iaaan. I'm not saying I want to lynch Caller, but we got about four days to figure it out. How nice. Also, Versatile should not be at the top of our lynch list imo. Since BM's nuke was a fake, its pretty solid to assume that since near her death she posted and repeated her content. This is an extremely pro-town move. Oh, one more thing...Wtf nikon just comes outta no where? God damn, anyone got a comsat? -_- Oh, and seriously, Abenson...he's kinda new. I didn't say anything about haster, because he screams pro-town. Down to every idea. So does JeeJee. If they are mafia, they are very convincing. | ||
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On March 28 2010 22:50 Zona wrote: Wat. Who did you confirm that I voted to lynch? Plus interesting you rage at tree.hugger and Xelin but not Versatile - why this discrepancy? Abenson...You kept wanting to kill him after I posted we were masons. I mean, again, before you discredit my claim, I did breadcrumb the mans name so after my own death flipped me mason he can pop out and be like "oh hai guys, I'm townie" I feel thats kinda a strong claim... Ya know? | ||
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On March 29 2010 00:59 Versatile wrote: it's on page 20, if that helps. it's easy to determine that zona believed the mason claim before many others, as he was the one who started the bandwagon on RoL after the claim. It was never really a big deal to me anyway. Just can't trust everyone with a big long post... | ||
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We will lynch Caller tomorrow unless Japan steps forward. Whoever Japan was could of made a case for defending caller without ever stepping forward, so I say we lynch Caller. Caller should have died. No one has defended him. Unless he comes god mode, I say he dies on day 2. | ||
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On March 29 2010 01:33 Amber[LighT] wrote: L was so confident that tree.hugger was targeting him and out of all of the people who have been targeted his posts prior to death seem to be the best leads we have. If we are going to prioritize lynching I think he should be first. I'm still not advocating nuking anyone anymore. We have already moved from Very Low to Low ToD. We need to conserve nuke usage. Here's where we need to make sure that we conserve our resources for the late-game (re-hashing 50 pages prior) You're before tree.hugger. I'll call that the "L"ist. You made a case against him for quiet a long ass time arguing we had to lynch him because he's inactive. Then what happened? | ||
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On March 29 2010 01:46 Amber[LighT] wrote: I switched to Abenson. I finally bought into the idea that he would be an asset to the town. Abenson was band-wagon voting L and it was obvious who should have been lynched. Then RoL casted his nuke and the town went with the anti-nuking policy we (I thought) established. I never had any aggression towards any L post after that and never disagreed with anything he had to say. He wasn't a threat to the town when he was unbanned, and if I could have stopped his death I would have. If you think I'm before tree.hugger we need to sort this out asap. RoL did not get lynched because of firing the nuke. Hell he almost got saved for that! Someone built a good case for the last second wanting to switch votes off of him that I was completely up for? Anyway, no. RoL got lynched because ABENSON IS A MASON WITH ME, AND I ROLECLAIMED. Not to mention I had the perfect claim already set up for when I died. Read the post, it's on page 20 near the top. You obviously missed it. He wasn't a threat to the town banned. I want haster and jeejee's opinions on the rest of this too...I gotta go to work, be back in about 9 hours. | ||
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On March 29 2010 01:49 tree.hugger wrote: ~OpZ~, I've read your posts on the last two pages, and I have absolutely no idea what you're advocating. Absolutely none. Your wall-of-text has nothing holding it together, I have absolutely no idea what point you're trying to prove. You've advocated Day 2 lynching me, then XeliN, and then Caller over the last two pages. Please stop spamming the thread. You, Versatile, Abenson, and the rest of your mafia compatriots should probably stop attracting more suspicion. Sorry man. I gotta go to work...And I keep spamming I know, but whats the point? My wall of text? I explained what that was for, because the vote list for L should be considered very important. I was posting the arguments and who argued against him. Wait...I got a brilliant idea... Bye bye. ##Nuke: Tree.Hugger -_- I'm Canada btw. | ||
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On March 29 2010 05:05 Elemenope wrote: To OpZ and Xelin; yes I proposed lynching Abenson for confirmation; Versatile pointed out about how this more applies to DT-red claims rather than Masons, and once Abenson confirmed, I am sold that you two are Masons. Yeah, it may seem like a ballsy move for scum to RC as Masons out in the open like that, but considering the last game I played was like...the first Red Army game which was one of the two games I played, I don't particularly know people's playstyles that well, so I don't attempt to put moves like these past others, especially when if the move works, it would put the town at a huge disadvantage. To Xelin, the jump to accusing you for launching the nuke was simply based off your vote for me considering nobody else had voted for me IIRC. Coupled with the fact that this nuke was out of the blue makes it easier. I just attempted to find other things to support this claim, and I would've been left wondering until countries were revealed/your death, but you RCed anyway, even after stating that you wouldn't hide your nuke. As for your claim that 'do you really think this ability [the one to fire an anonymous nuke during the day with no retaliation or trace] would go to mafia', it's quite the anti-town move when used. Especially when tagged along that you didn't explain your nuke until after it was shot down. We had stated that any unsupported town nukes are clearly anti-town, and you had even come up with a plan to lynch these nukers, yet you go off and shoot one your own, anonymously so that nobody could track who shot it, and then you attempt to say that this ability is a pro-town ability going from pure logic on the two points of the ability is too weak for scum and Ace wouldn't give this ability to scum? Then I read some more and then I see a nuke by OpZ towards Tree.Hugger. Whether this nuke gets shot down or not, I agree with Versatile and Zona that we should wait out the day and night. As Zona said, randomly shot nukes are more likely to hit town than mafia due to the number advantage town has and the fact that day 1 suspicions are just that: suspicions. We have nothing to go off other than intuition. As for haster, although this would be a resolution to the the nuke launchers, one thing you have to keep in mind is this: our ToD has increased by one stage when the second nuke landed. If we go by stages, such as Very Low [the start], Low [where we are at now], it is reasonable to assume that perhaps the next is medium, then high, very high, game over, or something similar. Now, Ace may have varying number of nukes for each of these, but the fact that two nukes have landed and we go into low is kind of unsettling. Along with the fact that if the nuke from OpZ falls and then someone nukes Xelin, we have 4 nukes that have landed I believe, then we're in medium already at day 1. So much for keeping a low ToD, eh? Regardless of the retaliation or lack thereof from treehugger, I don't believe nuking Xelin is the right course of action due to ToD. I had thought that Ace would assume we would launch many nukes considering it's TL and not all of us are the best at responding to personal attacks, but unless he has more than just five stages of ToD before game over, then we're in for a very quick game over. We also have to keep in mind that there may be a third party out there with the intention of having this happen as long as he or she lives. I'm of the opinion that we should just let this resolve how it is now, shoot down the nuke/leave it alone, preferably save it due to this ToD issue which is going to be a major issue at this rate. Go to night. Then come back the next day with much more information than we had the previous day. So basically: no more nukes Stop saying shit about DAY ONE SUSPICIONS. This might as well be Day 3. L died, BM died, Johnnyspazz Died, RoL died. This IS NOT a normal day one situation. We gain information on deaths REGARDLESS of time of day. Keeping the daylight out keeps the mafia away. -_- Also, I'm Canada, eh? | ||
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Everyone clamoring about how this is Day 1 and Day 1 we always have little information. Okay...you almost bring up a good point. Then look what happened with this day? It just became endless...With lots of deaths and information popping around. Amazing, so amazing. So...We have used nukes as shots killing people viewed as suspicious for various reasons. Also, I noticed no one truly complained about my nuke, but LMNOP wouldn't mind if the nuke being launched at one of the more suspicious players in the game was shot down. Thaaaaanks. So please, be smart and realize, as JeeJee pointed out last page or the one before, this day has been going for over 100 hours. We have gotten a fair share of information, and we probably will get more. It isn't like we haven't been constantly posting our thoughts (some of us). And you lurkers with no posts, has Ace counted the hours since some of yall posted? Think you should be merc'd or close to it. | ||
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Also, don't lump me in with them. I'm nuking someone who is highly suspicious...Also, the Will of L compels me. (Seriously though, L screamed pro town and he randomly nukes him, not cool). | ||
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On March 29 2010 09:55 tree.hugger wrote: Hey, Opz, I spent 24 hours explaining why I nuked L, I'd like to ask you to explain why exactly you felt it was necessary to nuke me. I'll let you get pummeled with a missile then explain myself...wait. You'll be dead quick enough, and I might not even need to explain myself, amirite? But to satisfy your question, go back and reread the last 5 pages. See how many times your name pops up. See how many times it's in a good way. See how many times it's in a bad way. See where I'm going with this? Oh, and reread that post about the mafia HAVING to apologize for nuke. And, and read my long ass wall of quotes you said was worthless...Let's have some alignments appear. It's gonna be 2012 in this bitch. | ||
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-_- Also, I supported the idea of raising the ToD as close to the limit as possible and forcing the mafia into night kill only wins. L's idea of launching multiple nukes at the same target was actually beneficial as fuck now that I've thought about it a little more clearly. If the ToD is almost full, then the mafia must win by USING 1 KP to kill how many townies?! Seriously, we should launch another 5 nukes at you tree.hugger. We should ABUSE our numbers and FRY you....Then its what? 17 players with the mafia hiding in there...but the mafia only get one kill a night. Seriously, what's wrong with this idea? We should really just launch another 3 to 6 nukes at you... | ||
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On March 29 2010 10:12 Zona wrote: Each of those that you're trying to avoid being "lumped" with also thought like you did. They all nuked someone highly suspicious in their mind. Did you just ignore the entire argument where the earlier in the game, the less information all town players have, and the more likely they will screw up their unrestrained kills and hit fellow town members? Right now you've just declared that you're better than everyone else...and you're not. You say it's like day 3. It's not. We only have one concluded vote count. We don't have any flipped mafia, so we don't have any mafia statements we're sure of that we can examine for collusion with other probable members. You've just added to the crapshoot that has already gotten 3 town members killed (1 killed by lynch). Perhaps probability will dictate that you'll score this time, or perhaps not, but you're not playing to further the best interests of the town. This game is town vs mafia, not a bunch of lone rangers working alone vs mafia. You don't suspect Tree.Hugger? LMNOP didn't? L didn't? Meeple didn't? Versatile doesn't? I didn't? Ehhhh? Plan I just came up with works brilliant...Just launch another 3-6 nukes at Tree.Hugger and break the game. That simple. | ||
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On March 29 2010 10:57 tree.hugger wrote: I'm in the process of writing my obit, stay with me. I'll have it all laid out for you. -_-...You know you not posting what versatile and zona asked for is pretty scummy....k thx. | ||
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On March 29 2010 10:19 Zona wrote: Thirdly, I DETEST the argument that getting towards the ToD strictly removes nukes as an option from the other side. Sure, you make it harder for the other side to win with nukes. But you also GRANT them the option of forcing a draw using nukes if they're close to losing. Why is everyone just looking at one side of things and not the other side with the consequences or alternatives? Oh, and Zona? That problem with the mafia trying to get a draw? Don't you support saving anti-nukes? Well guess what...Town launches almost all their nukes, increase ToD, no one needs to anti-nuke, so all other anti-nukes are saved. Then when mafia tries to force a draw, you antinuke it. They would have to reveal themselves by nuking to begin with, and at the ToD's high point, a townie will not fire a nuke. AGAIN, you've argued to save anti-nukes for late game. So your argument makes no sense why wouldn't we want to increase the ToD. If it's the town launching the nukes at ONE player, then the MAFIA can't nuke anyway. Town wont want to nuke Mafia will possibly want to cause draw, and will be forced to out themselves by nuking. The rest of the anti-nukes would be saved to prevent the draw, as town would have no need for nukes. The mafia couldn't use them as day kills because the ToD, and it would out themselves. Find the problem there. Because I don't see it. We wouldn't stop the 3 to 6 nukes flying at our target, so we'd have the anti-nukes to stop mafia from causing the draw that you had a problem with. | ||
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On March 30 2010 00:52 Zona wrote: You're making a unjustified leap in logic. Saving anti-nukes automatically lead to the conclusion that raising radiation is useful. Two separate issues. As an additional argument against increasing radiation, raised radiation also removes the option of nukes from town, later on. Have you been sleeping the entire time I've argued that town-directed kills get stronger LATER in the game? You're still itching to nuke more on day 1. And what if it's the town launching 3 to 6 nukes at this one player, who happens to have a bunch of nukes of his own, that he fires back? I really don't care anymore. Why do you guys bother discussing such things with the town when you clearly don't care what the rest of the town thinks and will nuke anyways? You really think we would need town nukes if we had to do 8 more days?! And that's not even counting us hitting right. | ||
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So anyway, whatever. It will be a new day shortly. And Amber...Do something useful. Amber wanted to Nuke you tree.hugger...f.y.i. | ||
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tree.hugger - Germany, Town Versatile - Nuked L. Abenson - Mason, Town Fishball - Doesn't do anything useful RebirthofLegend - Mexico, Town ~Opz~ - Nuked Germany, Mason, Town. d3_crescentia - Doesn't Do Anything ~Opz~(4) Xelin - North Korea, Launched anonymous nuke, Claimed it, Claimed town Nikon - Does nothing Useful, accused Zona, Elemenope - Was nuked by Xelin iNfuNdiBuLuM - I seriously do not remember any of his posts Abenson(7) Iaaan - Versatile suspect, Defended L early, Attacked L later, Zona - Seemingly pro-town haster27 - Seemingly pro-town, L though so atleast johnnyspazz - USA, Town JeeJee - imo extremely likely to be town, tried to save RoL meeple - Eh, I need to check this again. Amber[LighT] - Does nothing. Started the bandwagon saying lynch L on basis of inactivity. | ||
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On March 30 2010 01:58 Nikon wrote: Then don't anti it. ...I'm tired of this day. You just wasted your Nuke home boy... I want to see who the mafia kill. | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:09 Nikon wrote: You just killed tree.hugger and now you're going to kill me as well -.-;; Almost everything I post gets ignored, then people complain that I don't post enough. Or insult me. On the other hand, Zona slips up, but since he's been posting enough, CLEARLY he's clean. Look man...I know how you feel. You're feelings are hurt...No body thinks your much help or anything useful. It's like a bad movie, and you're just the kid whos getting picked on by the cool kids...But you'll show them. You'll show them all..... + Show Spoiler + And then you shoot up the fucking school. Seriously...This was a completely unjust nuke. Where did he slip up? because he might have a night action? I honestly dunno if your mafia, so it's whatever on that note. But seriously... | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:16 Nikon wrote: You shouldn't be the one to talk. Also, paraphrasing the late tree.hugger, what's the rush to get to the night? I really think we're just waiting for the next day, not the night. | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:19 Nikon wrote: Let me spell it out for you. Five people are already dead, and it's only Day 1. All of them were town-affiliated. You can say that we're in a bit of a crisis right now. Okay...so you just nuke zona for no reason? And can't produce the post where he admits it? Yea. + Show Spoiler + Jack ass | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:21 Amber[LighT] wrote: I didn't create a bandwagon intending on actually killing L. I spotted when the mindless drones started voting L and I switched my vote to one of those mindless drones, someone who should still be a big suspect in this game... Who did you switch your vote to? Abenson? | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:25 Nikon wrote: Dude, you're making me facepalm. Literally. I already did. Hold your hands out! *smacks hands* Now don't do it again!!! | ||
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On March 30 2010 02:31 Amber[LighT] wrote: yes someone who should still be a suspect Oh? Do you feel I am a suspect? | ||
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On March 25 2010 20:39 ~OpZ~ wrote: I don't know. I feel that I probably would of done the same. Not sure if Abenson would of done the same too, as we haven't really talked of nuking policy but he seemed content about the threat of nuking as a deterrent to lynch...although I pretty much just guaranteed we don't get lynched but get mafia killed. Lol...Although I don't really know how useful it would be to kill us. Ain't like we are DT's... On March 25 2010 21:17 Amber[LighT] wrote: I don't understand why someone launches a nuke when we specifically say "DO NOT LAUNCH ANY NUKES IF YOU ARE PRO-TOWN." What the hell RoL? There is a limit to how many nukes can be launched, and you arbitrarily decided to send one flying through the air? We have no info in this thread right now other than than the fact that you're acting like an idiot. Those two were on the same page. On March 26 2010 02:33 Amber[LighT] wrote: oh thats right you chose not to read the thread. Directed at RoL On March 26 2010 04:39 Amber[LighT] wrote: BTW once again for the records RoL is not a great player, Ace could tell you that but he's restraining... I know it And you are? You missed a role claim...That was talked about nonstop for 10+ pages, AND I had just talked about and posted on a list. Did I mention you posted on a page it was talked about? You attacked RoL so much....Yet you have no idea why he was being voted on then? Right...Smart.... Anyone else notice this? | ||
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On March 30 2010 03:11 ~OpZ~ wrote: Those two were on the same page. Directed at RoL And you are? You missed a role claim...That was talked about nonstop for 10+ pages, AND I had just talked about and posted on a list. Did I mention you posted on a page it was talked about? You attacked RoL so much....Yet you have no idea why he was being voted on then? Right...Smart.... Anyone else notice this? | ||
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That is why. How versatile didn't get that when I asked her if Abenson was suspicious. I figured she'd be laughing her ass off. Especially after my post of you telling RoL to read the thread, when you yourself missed the conversation between me haster and lmnop ON THE SAME PAGE you are telling RoL shit? How do you not see the irony? -_-... | ||
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On March 30 2010 06:48 Amber[LighT] wrote: It was day 1 and he admitted to not reading the introduction or pages 1-15. The content was straightforward at this time. All of a sudden you guys have a nuking party in my absence so I try to get the cliffs on what the hell is happening. You're taking what I said out of context. RoL not reading the RULES and me not reading 25 pages of BS are two completely different things. Most importantly he nuked someone without any reason and I am just sitting here twiddling my thumbs waiting for night to fall. You can't compare the two scenarios. Role claim went on for over 10 pages before any nuke was fired. Try again. You actually posted on the same page it was being talked about. Please address that issue. Thank you. | ||
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"On March 26 2010 02:33 Amber[LighT] wrote: oh thats right you chose not to read the thread." ...As a matter of fact...Read page 32, because you post on it, AND THE POST I BREADCRUMBED ABENSON'S NAME IS ON IT. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703¤tpage=32 Maybe you missed it...but you seemed to of caught on that a nuke was fired from that one page...where I reposted how I confirmed me and abenson... Just pointing that out. You also posted two pages right before the first time my RC was posted. Again, Amazing. | ||
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On March 31 2010 08:05 Amber[LighT] wrote: DO NOT edit posts. This is modkillable like half the rules here. that's a line that's obviously got a ton of gray area ...Hypocrite. | ||
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On March 31 2010 08:05 Amber[LighT] wrote: DO NOT edit posts. This is modkillable like half the rules here. that's a line that's obviously got a ton of gray area Oh...And since your around...mind responding? On March 30 2010 07:42 ~OpZ~ wrote: Role claim went on for over 10 pages before any nuke was fired. Try again. You actually posted on the same page it was being talked about. Please address that issue. Thank you. On March 30 2010 07:54 ~OpZ~ wrote: Also, you didn't say the rules. "On March 26 2010 02:33 Amber[LighT] wrote: oh thats right you chose not to read the thread." ...As a matter of fact...Read page 32, because you post on it, AND THE POST I BREADCRUMBED ABENSON'S NAME IS ON IT. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703¤tpage=32 Maybe you missed it...but you seemed to of caught on that a nuke was fired from that one page...where I reposted how I confirmed me and abenson... Just pointing that out. You also posted two pages right before the first time my RC was posted. Again, Amazing. Thanks in Advance. | ||
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On April 01 2010 03:57 XeliN wrote: The people in my mind who are clear townie are you, based mostly on your revelation you'd been blocked//nuke stolen, Infund, Nikon, Abenson and OpZ. Don't put my name in your mafia infested anus. Matter of fact don't put Abenson there either. I say we lynch you, and if you flip red, we lynch infun...I'll gladly go next to prove I'm a mason. And I ain't L...Got too much school shit than to be on here all day like i've been. | ||
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This is an important time to role claim guys. Let's not pass on it. We need to up the targets, and get more information. And seeing as Caller, Xelin, Fishball, Abenson, and I have all gone public, this will put the mafia in a tight spot that they might not be able to worm themselves out of. Consider this. I would like everyones input before a mass role claim takes place. Now...Xelin wasn't specific, and so far all he's said is that his ability allowed him to launch and anonymous Nuke. If it comes down to it, I will change my vote back to killing him. N.K. doesn't sound like a beneficial party anyway. But GIVE SOME THOUGHTS. Fishball is most lilkely the target that would be slain tonight, as Caller still looks suspicious, and his role might just be useless. We aren't certain yet if it is, it could just be reversed. We will know that for certain tomorrow. And I dunno...I might still be down for Caller's death, but it seems a little more likely he might be town. The mafia can't kill us all if we mass role claim. | ||
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On April 01 2010 12:16 XeliN wrote: Yes Yea...And I handled that with Nikon If Zona turns out detective like I guessed, you do realize both you and Nikon will die? And if Zona turns out mafia...I'll rub your Buddha belly? | ||
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I just wanted a massive role claim so we can lynch fishy roles or role claims. I believe you're claim fishball...it makes sense. Who wouldn't of watched Caller is a good question. I think I asked for him to be DT checked if there was a dt role earlier...So naturally I would support your claim. No body else seems to be willing to come out and claim either. Abenson claimed for me, but it ain't like I haven't proved I'm canadian, eh? | ||
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On April 01 2010 13:56 XeliN wrote: I agree with you OpZ about a mass roleclaim only being beneficial to the town at this point. Force the mafia to pretend, if they claim blue then make them give an account of their actions or depending on the abilities they claim to have will be easy to verify them, if they claim green then we can put them down as people who should be lynched before anyone who claimed blue. Here here...Zona's acting too suspicious right now...8 minutes before his possible death, and he won't say anything of value? He won't give no insight as to whether a mass role claim would be useful? And I've been arguing he's DT... Xelin...You might have hit a mafia at this rate...we will see in a minute I guess...I dunno what to think now -_- | ||
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On April 01 2010 14:33 nemY wrote: Hey guys sorry i haven't done much this game; i really don't know what's going on at this point. A few of you say you suspect me, but rest assured I am a townie who's just been inactive in this game (check the first mini mafia game, i've been all over that one). Anyways if you guys want me to publicly r/c I can, otherwise Ima just chill for a bit Yes. | ||
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On April 02 2010 00:41 haster27 wrote: I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'll go along with it if that is the Town concensus. It's just that roles like Detective and Tracker become more and more powerful the longer they collect information (especially with the confusion between idiot Townie and, well, normal Mafia). We got a tracker and a...weird dt....claim....so... -_-...So much bs nuking...Guess I can't talk much, but at least my target was a suspect. -_- GOD dammit Xelin and Versatile >< | ||
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On April 02 2010 04:22 Versatile wrote: umm, wanna add nikon and RoL to that well? + Show Spoiler + jackass. RoL's was probably because I defended him and then became suspicious of JohnnySpazz =/ His nuke on Caller...is arguably justified, as Caller had hardly posted BEFORE the random nuke session began. So I'm not hating on RoL too much. Nikon is just a scum bag for making me have to shoot down his nuke on RoL....And Xelin too, though I could not get that one shot down... | ||
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On April 02 2010 23:15 haster27 wrote: Well, night kill is surprising. I understand Mafia might have been afraid of getting their NK nullified by medic protection, but I did not expect them to hit Versatile out of all people. But then she started playing fine for the past days, so I'll check if there was something she said that could have alarmed the Mafia. Do not have much to say until ~OpZ~ and Caller comes forward- actually, it would be better Caller spoke up first so the ~OpZ~ (confirmed Townie) can verify his words rather than giving chance for Caller to adjust his statement according to what ~OpZ~ said. We are also carrying on with the roleclaim plan, right? I am Portugal, pro-town and vanilla Townie. (by the way, Abenson, maybe you should have delayed roleclaiming as UK until the night ended.) Well he should have checked me, but we don't know... HURRY UP GAIS POST....I'm bout to go to work!!! =( | ||
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On April 03 2010 01:10 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: It is possible haster. I would like to wait and see what happened with Fishball's night actions, which will help determine our course of action. That said, lynch. We must hit a red. I'm sure Caller is up there on the list. Other possibilities: d3, NemY, maybe Nikon? We can wait for Caller and Fishball to post.... | ||
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Yo...we shoulda asked him for a list of suspects yesterday. He hasn't claimed inactivity at all. They are probably organizing a way to role claim that wont force them into the complete open. Caller...If you want to prove your innocence, it is time to pick up the pace. LMNOP? No thoughts. I figured Fishball would be role blocked. He will probably be killed tonight. Nikon claiming to be bussed kind of seems important. Supports caller's story from yesterday, yes? Caller said he got bussed from Nikon to Meeple...Nikon lived, Meeple got hit. Third party wanna come forward and survive for the rest of the game by the towns will? You can be our vigi, yes yes? | ||
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On April 03 2010 11:23 Caller wrote: Just dropping in to say I checked d3_crescentia last night... He flipped scum, which, assuming I'm insane and not paranoid, means that he's not scum. I believe we told you to check a confirmed townie, such as myself... | ||
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On April 03 2010 19:12 Ace wrote: Nikon launches a nuke at Iaaan that will land 6:50KST on April 4th! With 12 alive, it is 7 to lynch! Caller(2) Abenson ~Opz~ nemy(1) Iaaan Nukes in the air: 1 Nukes detonated: 5 Radiation levels: moderate Day 3 currently ends 6:50 KST April 4th! You don't declare countries when you nuke anymore? =( | ||
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I also feel Ace pretty much A)Gave everyone a role B)If Vanilla Townie, gave out nukes galore. I also further disbelieve Caller's claim. SK...If your win condition prevents you from stepping forward....Then okay...But if you win just by lasting....Wouldn't you like to be instrumental in a big ass come back? Become our Vigi. If you have an extra night life, mafia can't waste time hitting you. Are there no medics out there? Two vet claims with differing roles abilities. Iaaan's make sense given the set up. Ace like's his crazy abilities. Iaaan was screaming pro-town early game. He only came suspicious when L was about to die imo. Well...Maybe the whole letting everyone explode when the nuke fest was happening was a bit of a downer on his town-ness. -_- Xelin...God dammit. -_-....I knew Zona had a good role. -_-.... No more vigi's out there? I am pro LMNOP's plan. I will have nuke's launched to extend the day if it comes to it. | ||
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On April 03 2010 21:33 Ace wrote: No I'm just awake now. I was asleep all this time ^_^ "Day 3 currently ends Sunday April 4th 12AM ET, 13:00 KST" Time change, why? | ||
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On April 04 2010 01:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: well actually Abenson is just extending the day if his nukes were truthfully stolen No....That bitch is trying to kill me.... Nah...actually I told him to nuke me....He replied "....Wtf?" Then nuked me....Little fucker...Lol.. <3 Anyway....About the Nikon/Iaaan situation....Unless it's possible Versatile was hit by both, mafia and SK, unless we have a medic left Nikon is being truthful. He claimed he took a hit last night. We need more information on that situation to make a good judgment call. Highly suspect, but Nikon, Iaaan's request about asking if you have Nuke protection, makes perfect sense, because he would know what Veterans roles contain. He came out and posted his role, posting a true claim. Infund have you claimed? I'm curious as to all of these people coming out and voting now, without claiming. I believe the town has spoken and demanded role claims. Well, hop to it, or it will be another endless day that will show everyone that refuses to post their roles being killed. Also, all you last minute voters. Hi. How are you guys. Nice to see you come out and vote now... ## Vote No Lynch I'm going to check for the rest of the claims right now. | ||
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On April 04 2010 01:15 Elemenope wrote: What was the point in nuking him? Let's assume these things: A) You are a veteran B) Veteran ability entails a free night hit which is standard, but not as standard: a free nuke hit C) Nobody mentions that they are immune to a single nuke hit until Iaaan mentions it Given these three things, you still launch a nuke at Iaaan when only B is something Veterans could know. Iaaan could've guessed the ability, thinking it makes sense given that given that nukes are in the hands of 22 people, somebody ought to have nuke protection, even if it is a one-shot ability; however, the chance of this is very slim in my eyes, especially coupled with the fact that he says in response to you role claiming Veteran. He clearly says that veterans also have a one-shot day nuke protection. Yet you go ahead and nuke him and choose to withhold your capabilities even while roleclaiming? You realize the problem with this, right? On top of this, you claim that your missile is fake which accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of confirming whether Iaaan is truly veteran or not as his ability, which you should know, blocks a nuke hit because, as Iaaan puts it which you are also implying by not denying the fact that veterans have a one-shot nuke protection, it gives an extra life against nukes which means an actual nuke has to hit. Because of this, your only purpose in sending that nuke is to accomplish one of two things: A) Burn up an antinuke which you did so well with your first nuke, or B) Burn up a veteran's extra nuke protection Both of which do not help the town at all. So perhaps you could explain why you thought that someone stating he possesses an ability that hasn't been mentioned by anybody until then which somehow conveniently matches your ability would deserve a nuke in order to prove this ability? If he's not veteran: congratulations, you probably killed scum since he lied, but this means you also lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If he is veteran: you burned his day protection and you lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If your missile is a dud: you accomplished nothing at all in terms of extra information for the town and we have no confirmation of your first missile. What was really going through your mind when you decided to nuke Iaaan? Did also notice how both haster and infund popped up to throw votes on Caller? I say we wait to see if Nikon's nuke is real. Should assume it the nuke post will let us know if his nuke protection is burned up, right LMNOP? =D And...I'll retaliate on Abenson if necessary, which will allow him to retaliate on me....I love life sometimes. | ||
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On April 04 2010 00:32 haster27 wrote: Also, Abenson. What the hell? Are you serious? Contingency planning. It serves a nice little purpose. I'll hold the nukes for now, he'll hold them in a minute, ect. ect. ect. Ya dig? | ||
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On April 04 2010 03:29 Iaaan wrote: What If Caller were to check opz/abenson, I don't see what the point would be, if your town you would be red, if hes paranoid you would be red. The only way too see if he is insane is if he checks a mafia, right? I think we should give him another day or two and see what happens, and lynch someone else today. And the way my role PM was worded makes me believe that a fake nuke will not use up my nuke protection. I already had all the nukes because I'm more active. He was just bitching about getting "robbed." I think the coffee beans and cocaine needles is a pretty clear indicator it happened. Pretty simple to ascertain as to why I had the nukes in the first place. My activity is pretty much a shit ton more than Abensons... Ya dig? He can only give them to me if he's on, so I usually hold them over (actual) night and during the (actual) morning. Atleast since the nuke thief popped up. I was wondering why we had this ability to begin with Lol. I also don't think the nuke is fake Iaaan. And I want more discussion, so me and Abenson will extend the day as indefinitely as I feel necessary. Japan. Step forward now. That is another thing I have against Caller. He was saved by Japan, and Japan has yet to step forward. Damn you Tree.Hugger for saying those with anti-nukes not step forward. Japan is mafia if Caller is mafia. Someone who Role Claimed is lying. JeeJee, Abenson, and I will all extend the day. I'm going to swap my nukes, Nuke JeeJee, JeeJee will nuke Abenson, and Abenson will swap, then nuke me again, and I will swap and nuke him. Fun fun. Another 23:59X4. Plenty of days for you all that haven't of claimed to be dead. | ||
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On April 04 2010 16:47 nemY wrote: I don't believe he is a cop, because frankly anybody can say whatever they want here and not be verified, correct? Caller only shows up in times of dire situation for himself (ie: he's about to be lynched) and then he goes back to... whatever it is he's doing when are you going to r/c jeejee? Caller isn't even here when he's about to get lynched. I don't believe Caller's claim. But every inactive person comes and jumps on the Caller bandwagon. ##Vote Nemy | ||
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On April 04 2010 09:59 haster27 wrote: Wow, Ace is being uncharacteristically lazy. The day ends at April 04 23:27 KST. This is a roleclaim situation -> blue/green colour means confirmed. d3_crescentia ??? ??? JeeJee ??? ??? ~OpZ~ Canada Mason Caller Egypt Alignment Cop haster27 Portugal Townie Elemenope Vietnam Townie iNfuNdiBuLuM China Townie (only allowed to counter-nuke) Fishball France Tracker laaan Antarctica Veteran Nikon ??? Veteran Abenson United Kingdom Mason nemY ??? Townie Unclaimed country Japan Sweden Colombia Unclaimed Roles Roleblocker Nuke-stealer (Colombia) Bus driver Serial Killer Major Suspects Caller - epic inactivity laaan/Nikon - conflicting testimonies about Veteran ability. JeeJee might as well be confirmed, Haster. He was the first to mention his nukes being stolen. Ignoring that crucial fact again makes me a little more suspicious of you. Ya dig. My thoughts. They are simple. Let me post your list myself real quick, and make some changes. d3_crescentia ??? ??? + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2010 03:23 d3_crescentia wrote: Dear friends, I will be off to Italy this afternoon and will arrive there sometime IN THE FUTURE. I'll post my thoughts on this situation then, because there's a lot that strikes me as fishy (no offense, Fishballs). Right...you are taking a while. Stop over at an airport? Do you own a lap top? Come now, come now...where hath thou gone?! Caller said he checked you and you were red...And Nikon's suspected too...Hmmmmm!! Maybe Caller isn't mafia and is selling out mafia?!? Seriously...what if Caller is just that lucky? Still need a claim on that bus driver to validate his story. Also, d3 pops in to ask what vengeful townie is, 33 minutes after the Japan's antinuke is told to us. Hasn't claimed...Maybe Japan? JeeJee + Show Spoiler + I believe JeeJee to be town aligned for several reasons. His posting...Finding few reasons to doubt him at least. Claimed roleblocked and nuke stolen. Nuke stolen confirmed, roleblock ~OpZ~ Canada Mason Caller Egypt Alignment Cop + Show Spoiler + He checked two suspects and they came up mafia...Alignment cop is a role ace was talking about in Zona's thread. Just giving the alignment, not the role. Who knows...I suspect d3 and Nikon, why the fuck not. But god dayum caller, come fuckin' post. And all the inactive votes on caller? I smell a nuclear winter coming on... haster27 Portugal Townie (alleged)+ Show Spoiler + Haster was out of me and L that was consistently posting up until the anti-nuke hit Japan. The problem Ace has with anti-nukes...They can be strategic, and if he doesn't post right when he gets one, then there lies a problem...But I dunno...Adds too it....Haster has been extremely helpful in a sense, and active...Defended keeping L early Elemenope Vietnam Townie + Show Spoiler + Same thing as haster pretty much. He had a long ass post being made when the anti-nuke struck, and the post was made 13 minutes after Ace's post. And that was one long fucking post. iNfuNdiBuLuM China Townie (only allowed to counter-nuke) On March 25 2010 11:52 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Oh, looks like Fishball has successfully parried that theory. On March 25 2010 11:51 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Great Britain has nukes as well, if they're present in the game (probably are) On March 25 2010 11:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Christ, LOL. ##vote RoL Some gems of wisdom right there. I left out his 2 posts arguing with RoL to justify voting for him. "You nuked Caller and its the towns policy." Let me note, he was active about 1:30 to 2 hours before the caller nuke was scheduled to hit....Japan? Well hell, he might be china, that might be his ability, but I still would suspect that ability on a mafia. Although, clearly what I would expect for abilities doesn't mean much. (Xelin, "would ace really give anon nuke to mafia?" -er- only people it would make sense to give to?) Oh, I'm hunting Japan...Also, Infund hasn't been much help for anything, and his random pop up to vote, back fishball up, then gone. For a whole day. Which was JUST BEFORE the anti-nuke was launched. Fishball France Tracker + Show Spoiler + Only things I got on Fishball, I find pretty considerable, Inactive, and voted for L laaan Antarctica Veteran + Show Spoiler + Most believable claim beyond my own. Nikon ??? Veteran I had this wonderful section built against you, you posted just before the antinuke, ect. ect. Nuking Zona, ect. ect, Shit claim...I'm suggesting launching a nuke at you, not lynching you. Just to see if...Well...You are a veteran, yes yes? Abenson United Kingdom Mason nemY Italy Vanilla Townie (Claim)?? We don't believe you, you need more people! 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On April 05 2010 00:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On April 04 2010 09:59 haster27 wrote: Wow, Ace is being uncharacteristically lazy. The day ends at April 04 23:27 KST. This is a roleclaim situation -> blue/green colour means confirmed. d3_crescentia ??? ??? JeeJee ??? ??? ~OpZ~ Canada Mason Caller Egypt Alignment Cop haster27 Portugal Townie Elemenope Vietnam Townie iNfuNdiBuLuM China Townie (only allowed to counter-nuke) Fishball France Tracker laaan Antarctica Veteran Nikon ??? Veteran Abenson United Kingdom Mason nemY ??? Townie Unclaimed country Japan Sweden Colombia Unclaimed Roles Roleblocker Nuke-stealer (Colombia) Bus driver Serial Killer Major Suspects Caller - epic inactivity laaan/Nikon - conflicting testimonies about Veteran ability. JeeJee might as well be confirmed, Haster. He was the first to mention his nukes being stolen. Ignoring that crucial fact again makes me a little more suspicious of you. Ya dig. My thoughts. They are simple. Let me post your list myself real quick, and make some changes. d3_crescentia ??? ??? + Show Spoiler + On April 03 2010 03:23 d3_crescentia wrote: Dear friends, I will be off to Italy this afternoon and will arrive there sometime IN THE FUTURE. I'll post my thoughts on this situation then, because there's a lot that strikes me as fishy (no offense, Fishballs). Right...you are taking a while. Stop over at an airport? Do you own a lap top? Come now, come now...where hath thou gone?! Caller said he checked you and you were red...And Nikon's suspected too...Hmmmmm!! Maybe Caller isn't mafia and is selling out mafia?!? Seriously...what if Caller is just that lucky? Still need a claim on that bus driver to validate his story. Also, d3 pops in to ask what vengeful townie is, 33 minutes after the Japan's antinuke is told to us. Hasn't claimed...Maybe Japan? JeeJee + Show Spoiler + I believe JeeJee to be town aligned for several reasons. His posting...Finding few reasons to doubt him at least. Claimed roleblocked and nuke stolen. Nuke stolen confirmed, roleblock semi ~OpZ~ Canada Mason Caller Egypt [b]Alignment Cop [spoiler] He checked two suspects and they came up mafia...Alignment cop is a role ace was talking about in Zona's thread. Just giving the alignment, not the role. Who knows...I suspect d3 and Nikon, why the fuck not. But god dayum caller, come fuckin' post. And all the inactive votes on caller? I smell a nuclear winter coming on...[/spoiler] haster27 Portugal Townie (alleged) [spoiler]Haster was out of me and L that was consistently posting up until the anti-nuke hit Japan. The problem Ace has with anti-nukes...They can be strategic, and if he doesn't post right when he gets one, then there lies a problem...But I dunno...Adds too it....Haster has been extremely helpful in a sense, and active...Defended keeping L early[/spoiler] Elemenope Vietnam Townie [spoiler] Same thing as haster pretty much. He had a long ass post being made when the anti-nuke struck, and the post was made 13 minutes after Ace's post. And that was one long fucking post.[/spoiler] iNfuNdiBuLuM China Townie (only allowed to counter-nuke) [spoiler] On March 25 2010 11:52 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Oh, looks like Fishball has successfully parried that theory. On March 25 2010 11:51 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Great Britain has nukes as well, if they're present in the game (probably are) On March 25 2010 11:20 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Christ, LOL. ##vote RoL Some gems of wisdom right there. I left out his 2 posts arguing with RoL to justify voting for him. "You nuked Caller and its the towns policy." Let me note, he was active about 1:30 to 2 hours before the caller nuke was scheduled to hit....Japan? Well hell, he might be china, that might be his ability, but I still would suspect that ability on a mafia. Although, clearly what I would expect for abilities doesn't mean much. 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On March 21 2010 13:23 Ace wrote: 2.) Alignment Check for sure. No more RCs for now. This is my opinion on how Caller's role is set up. Maybe he actually did hit two mafia? I'm all for nuking Nikon, seeing what he pops, then hanging d3....Maybe Caller just gets lucky as fuck? No excuse for inactivity, but seriously....are you all ignoring the possibility that he could be legit? Almost everyone has discreditted him, myself included, but going back and thinking about it, what pro-town moves has Nikon done? D3? I need opinions on whether or not nuking Nikon is the correct way to go, so I say we turn him into a plain of glass... | ||
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On April 05 2010 04:51 JeeJee wrote: i don't see the point tbh; if you haven't realized i'm town by now, well, i would advise you to follow the thread more closely in the future. but i do love your post. "i don't believe his r/c because anyone can r/c whatever the fuck they want. btw when r u gonna r/c??" haha maybe mafia should kill me and find out my role. if they want to take the risk also, who's the next day extension-er? me countering opz's nuke a few min before it lands? You have your regular nuke, and a retaliatory one. It's on you to nuke Abenson, and abenson to retaliate on me. | ||
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On April 05 2010 06:45 Ace wrote: I've been running around the place for a while so whats going on? Just tell me what needs to be updated since none of the nukes were real last time I checked. Vote Count/ToD/uh....uh...end of day time....I forgot all that....I'm going out for a bit TTYL and L... =( You are mean good sir. | ||
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On April 05 2010 18:31 Nikon wrote: ##Vote: Caller The truth is out there, and I need to know. We, as in the town, need to know, rather. I like how you're voting for Caller...We're getting the truth with Nemy's nuke on you. If it isn't real, Nemy lied about his role, we lynch him. If you die, your vote doesn't matter, as the day will be extended anyway. Also...Lmao if there is a veteran mafia...I honestly can't wait to see the end write up on this to tell you the truth... I'ma go back to reading my book for now...JeeJee, in about eight or nine hours can you launch a nuke at Iaaan, so he can retaliate? | ||
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On April 06 2010 03:36 haster27 wrote: Well, laaan did place himself and Town in pretty good position by claiming his role (and its ability), so I don't think rarity or the strangeness of player's country doesn't matter that much. If Nikon pops red, WE DO NOT LYNCH CALLER -_- Buuuuuut...Honestly...Likelihood of him popping red just kinda dropped to me. Japan refused to be claimed, and unless it's JeeJee. Nikon, you going to survive the nuke? JeeJee, are you Japan? | ||
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On April 06 2010 04:38 JeeJee wrote: nah i'm not so, just to sum up, currently we're waiting on nemy>nikon, also need inf's clarification on his "can't nuke until nuked" ability i'll be honest i don't have high hopes, but we'll see Nikon, know would be a good time to claim your country actually. The nuke on you is strategic to confirm your role. If your townie, nothing to worry about. Actually...I don't think Nikon is Japan. He's voting to lynch Caller. And given he hasn't said his country, it makes me concerned about everyone else. Which would make Caller Mafia. Japan saved Caller. No one has claimed Japan, and Japan hasn't died. Caller is therefore mafia. This makes sense right? Like I'm not crazy right now, yes yes? ##Vote Caller (Can we get a vote tally, and nuke tally. I am kinda lost...I think we've had fake nukes strikes even lol) | ||
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=D...We are about to have a very clear picture of how things are...Abenson, you should of nuked Iaaan, but JeeJee can do that. I want to save mine for launching and inf and opening up his nuclear arsenal... JeeJee, stop being such a downer...we are actually in a decent state right now....It all depends on what country Nikon is... | ||
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On April 06 2010 06:11 haster27 wrote: I can't really see why Nikon would not claim yet at all. Everyone (well, except JeeJee but that's still only one) declared their country- he can just now pick any random country that is not being represented by any of the players and pretend it is his own rofl. As it seems atleast 3 people have already done. Thats ANTI-TOWN. Ignore him Nikon. Just let us know if your Japan. If we knew your country, life would be easy. -_- I HATE YOU L...offering Abenson Jedi Training! ;-; | ||
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On April 06 2010 09:00 Elemenope wrote: I don't really havea nything new to say other than thanks for the anti-nuke d3? I still have my suspicions of Caller, nikon, d3, nemy due to previous reasons listed. Nemy launched his nuke against Nikon which is what we wanted him to do to prove nikon's veteran status which is what this whole thing hinges around. Unless you have any specific questions, I'm not sure what else to contribute until this nuke lands. Um Caller is mafia It's been confirmed pretty much. JeeJee isn't Japan, Nikon isn't Japan. We can lynch caller now? Go read my posts? I explained simply if Japan didn't get claimed, Caller was mafia. mafia wouldn't waste anti-nukes saving townies...Come on now...wtf? | ||
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On April 06 2010 06:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: well, in my case it is. Reaallllllly now...Fishball you could track inf too...if you so choose. But I'd prefer D3 or LMNOP =/ | ||
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On April 05 2010 10:22 nemY wrote: not sure what you're trying to say with that last part there, but ##Nuke Nikon AHEM, where's my nuke post ACE?! | ||
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We vote Caller CALLER IS MAFIA. Town wouldn't lie about claiming and JAPAN hasn't been claimed ='s Japan is mafia. Can we kill Caller and get this over with, THEN lynch Nikon? (Ace really should have linked nuke land posts + Night/days to first page) | ||
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On April 06 2010 12:01 Caller wrote: on a completely unrelated note, any ideas on who i should check tonight? Haster/Fishball/Infund. Take a pick. | ||
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On April 06 2010 11:51 haster27 wrote: That is possible, since nemY also was one to come out of nowhere and volunteer nuke him according to what Town was saying. However, with so little Townie numbers left, I am reluctant about risking decreasing townie number further. INfund: "Nemy returns. Fires nukes at Nikon because he thinks the town wants him to. Actually, not many people were on so it's hard to say what anyone really wanted." Shit, I was under the impression he was following my suggestion. I believe a few agreed with me on that respect. One suspect nuking another suspect? God...Haster....Stop adding more and more to my suspicions. You even agreed it was a good idea to verify Iaaan AND/OR Nikon. Lookie here...LMNOP was pretty much the first to attack Nikon after the two vet claims. Nikon could be third party...Honestly, it would make sense for him to claim vet, because he prob had an extra night/day life being third party. On April 05 2010 01:29 haster27 wrote: Okay. The nuke can determine his alignment, and I still think Town benefits whatever happens. If Nikon is not Veteran: we get needed Mafia kill. If Nikon is Veteran: we can also be sure that laaan is Town because Mafia will not know the ability of Veteran. Me and Haster agreed...and haster said a nuke can determine Iaaan to be town but is now arguing against it confirming Iaaan? Right? But no...Now its "Too convenient we target the nuke hacker" Also, infund I could give a shit about Japan lying about their role because they have anti-nukes. Fuck the anti-nukes. Just because you used one DOES NOT MEAN you have more. So fuck that. If they are town, and Caller is lynched and isn't red BECAUSE JAPAN (assuming japan is town) lied, then that's fucking brilliant. Nikon is a fucking baller isn't he? "Veteran" -Nuke me and find out- Epic quotes. Pretty obvious he's fucked up there. You should of mentioned your role. Wonder how many times it works, but I can see it being useful for my purposes. Your like a little puppet. I can use you to extend my day almost as much as I want, if it's a constant, not just a one time thing. =D Or maybe you get to choose? Do I seem like the kinda guy who would launch a fake at mafia suspects? Tree.Hugger can tell you that. At any rate- You can chill for a minute. I'm concerned about the "Let's pop Nikon" crowd. Just because the nuke turned around and he lied, does make him mafia. But Japan not claiming means Caller is mafia. Now that's true....unless one of you townie ass holes lied to town for NO DAMN REASON OTHER THAN HAVING ANTI-NUKES. And if you did that...God I hate you. Also...If we lynch Nikon and he pops red? What then? Do you still want Caller to die? Yes, yes, Caller please look at Haster tonight actually good sir. Fishball, chase LMNOP through the woods, and I'll go polish my nukes. Also, let me emphasize this. Serial Killer Role, if you MUST hit someone hit Iaaan tonight. It would be nice....Y'know...Cuz if he lied, he dies...If he lives...Well he lives and he didn't lie...Lol. Or you didn't hit him. But pleeeeeeeeeeease... | ||
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I'm going to ask Caller to make a vote on someone...Otherwise I think modkilling someone with under 20 posts in a 100 page thread, that has claimed Cop(DT) and has already missed a vote.... + Show Spoiler + (Look at me being a vulture trying to make Caller kick the bucket without having to lynch him) =P | ||
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Why so defensive? Haster even agreed. Which Inf was the one using hasters statement IN his long post detailing the actions of the thread. Citizen, how does your ability work. You can retaliate, OR only nuke people that nuke you... | ||
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On April 07 2010 03:06 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...Nemy...I was defending you homie... Why so defensive? Haster even agreed. Which Inf was the one using hasters statement IN his long post detailing the actions of the thread. Citizen, how does your ability work. You can retaliate, OR only nuke people that nuke you... Clarity: Haster agreed a suspect nuking a suspect was cool. Then said you just "came and nuked him" or some shit similar. I don't care about the exact wording enough, its on page 96 or 97 near the top (I believe) if anyone's concerned about that. Then he said it was good if Iaaan nuked him, but iaaan had already said he had no nukes....So I called for Nemy to do it, and nemy obliged us. Which is appreciative. I've done said that was a good protown thing to do Nemy. Which unless Nikon is actually a townie, then we're good. I'd rather lynch Caller because...well...Someone's lying about being Japan, and since Japan won't step forward, Caller is all but gauranteed mafia. Seriously Japan, if Caller is innocent and this gets him lynched....But that isn't the case. Japan has no reason to lie right now. If he had anti's he'd save Nemy. So...Caller must be mafia. AMIRITE? Can we lynch the gauranteed mafia already? -_- Keeping Nikon alive = exceptionally useful if I everyone refuses to create discussion. -_- | ||
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On April 07 2010 03:08 JeeJee wrote: retaliate = nuking people that nuke you no idea why you separate the two as if they are different Because in the beginning someone said something about not nuking because nuking countries will just launch the rest of their nukes to bumfuck everyone. Hence why I seperate. I've been confused for quite some time. Thank you. =D | ||
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On April 07 2010 03:48 nemY wrote: Because Inf. framed it in a way that makes me look really bad? Doesn't really matter now that inf's not in the game anymore. Anyways... I have a (very real) nuke coming towards me and I have pretty strong suspicions on who the nuke came from (well actually... who redirected it, I was the one who lobbed the nuke out there) Why shouldn't we move forward to lynch Nikon? I'm not sure. ##Vote Nikon Would be nice to know if you think someone other than Nikon redirected it... | ||
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On April 07 2010 13:15 Fishball wrote: ~Opz~, Abenson, what other powers do you have besides being able to talk in PM's and transferring nukes? Can you elaborate more on the nuke transfer? How often can you use it? Is there a limit? This would be something the Nuke stealer would like to know. Who are you tracking tonight. And who is caller checking? hopefully your following d3 and caller is checking Haster/LMNOP But any rate, I'm voting Caller tomorrow. If japan is town aligned, Japan sucks. | ||
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On April 07 2010 11:41 haster27 wrote: At least one thing is clear; Japan is Mafia, thus Caller is Mafia. The town either have no anti-nukes, or Townie having anti-nukes were afraid of using it because people were saying how Japan handles this missile will verify it's intentions. At least we have firm plan on who to lynch tomorrow; although all of us Townies will probably have to vote, I am hoping some Mafia will join in on the Caller bandwagon as well because voting someone else is going to be blatant anti-town move. Actually it would be much better if SK could hit him and leave us one less Mafia to deal with, of course. I pointed this out yesterday. And everyone decided Nikon was a better target. I even suggested that NIKON WAS THE THIRD PARTY. It would A)Explain the nuke rebound and B)Explain the night hit he took. Third party's usually are a combo of vet and vig. I'm fed up with you, and I honestly think one of you and LMNOP are mafia. I'm all for lynching you to tell you the truth. I had Caller confirmed as Mafia YESTERDAY, and we lynch Nikon because "He lied about his ability so he should die" YES he SHOULD. But look at me, I seemed to catch on he was third party, and where'd my vote stay? ON CALLER, where EVERYONE else's should of been. On April 06 2010 19:50 ~OpZ~ wrote: Shit, I was under the impression he was following my suggestion. I believe a few agreed with me on that respect. One suspect nuking another suspect? God...Haster....Stop adding more and more to my suspicions. You even agreed it was a good idea to verify Iaaan AND/OR Nikon. Lookie here...LMNOP was pretty much the first to attack Nikon after the two vet claims. Nikon could be third party...Honestly, it would make sense for him to claim vet, because he prob had an extra night/day life being third party. Well...That's fun fun yes? | ||
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Terribly wording maybe, but I've done said you seem shady as fuck several times. Then citizen pops on backing everything you say? Making the same arguments? Honestly, Caller could damn well be red. I've made plenty of arguments to justify why he would be red. But I'm also severely suspect as you, and YOU ADDED TO MY OWN EVIDENCE AGAINST YOU, by saying the mafia role blocker MAY NOT BLOCK so one of his fellow MAFIA can claim to have been blocked. On April 08 2010 08:38 haster27 wrote: This is ridiculous. By your argument you shouldn't even accuse me of being scummy since I was "exonerated" by today's roleblock. Mafia roleblocker can always choose not to roleblock anyone for the day, so that his scum partner or himself can step up and state that he has been Roleblocked. What?! I said this to abenson: One of haster or LMNOP is mafia. I am almost certain of that. Probably haster. He's really pushing for Caller's lynch right now, when I was more concerned about hitting Caller last night because we knew he was confirmed. You notice the suspicion being pressed upon LMNOP right? Iaaan (whom haster still suspects). I'm not sure where this is going as I'm kind of suspicious of haster. I don't know what to think though about that. Now, Japan hasn't claimed, which really puts Caller in a bad light. But it could just be a stupid ass townie. Caller will probably be lynched tomorrow. It's obvious Nikon was trying to draw being nuked ALL GAME, by his random nuke at Zona, that wasted our ONE OF OUR FUCKING anti-nukes. Ass hole. Infundiblum...He's come and popped up being helpful and gets banned. I didn't like his role. It doesn't seem very town to me, but Xelin's screamed mafia too so who knows.. Great fucking timing. -_- ...Fishball? He's the one know knew about Caller's night actions, so he's probably town aligned. Caller, like I posted in the thread, unless some fucking MORONIC ASS TOWNIE LIED. The SK hitting Iaaan tonight would be the most useful thing ever. It wouldn't confirm Iaaan because the SK wont step forward, but it would add tell us to believe Iaaan. D3, if he is mafia, Elemenope is mafia. And Elemenope he said he would post more after the nuke...And we're still waiting for it.... /end statements These have been my thoughts. I've not editted them. Saved them. Waited. Sent them to Abenson so I'd have some marks after I died, and so I'd have all my thoughts written down in a nice, easy to post format. | ||
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On April 08 2010 10:58 citi.zen wrote: So you think Haster is suspect, then promptly go on to vote for me. Good job. Caller claiming Japan makes him EXTREMELY less scummy. Just saying...If he would of saved himself, then claimed Japan out in the open, mafia would of hit him. He would of seemed extremely more pro town. Meaning a higher chance the mafia would hit him. BUT WAIT, there's more: Caller said he role-checked me at night, while at the same time claiming I can't be checked, err... have a role which deters checks because I can retaliate. Of course, Caller is still very much alive, there was no retaliation. As I've said many times before, the only thing China can do is nuke those who nuke it first. Not... you know... kill those who check it. Because Infund false claimed? Obvious. Not that hard to see. How would you deter the known cop to investigate you? Claim townie or claim a blue that can't be checked. Haster/Infund Let us not forget the final piece here: Caller's supposed check came out town, which must mean I am red, of course! Insane Cop. Terrible argument, you need to reread the thread. Meeple came out red. D3 came out red You came out Town. Meeple is confirmed, and D3 will be confirmed. | ||
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On April 08 2010 11:23 Iaaan wrote: so, just my own little thoughts from my own point of view: caller checked d3 and he showed up red. thus, if we believe that caller is town, we have to believe that d3 is town. so, with opz and abenson being confirmed as townies, and then myself, caller and d3 being townies to, that leaves jeejee haster lmnop and citizen as mafia. A lot of confirmed people... | ||
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On April 08 2010 11:33 Elemenope wrote: I suppose I should rather ask: Do you believe Caller or not? And whom do you believe. Who do you feel is more vote worthy. I don't see you or Iaaan casting votes? Or even really stating a position. | ||
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On April 08 2010 12:16 haster27 wrote: NO. GODDAMN IT. I WILL NOT ALLOW TOWN TO FAIL THIS MUCH. I am leaving soon, but I will try to find hole in Caller's argument and turn the game around by tomorrow. Please extract your retarded self-vote NOW. By the way, Caller can you please clarify this portion of my previous post? Your choice of role-check makes no sense at all. Because infund came out the wood work just a little while ago? Or maybe because the game would been over right then and there if INfund didn't lie about his role and we wouldn't be sitting through this? Seems pretty smart actually. | ||
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On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote: All I can say is: rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. We're gonna have a few nukes in the air. I'm not letting the mafia weasel their way out and get Caller lynched. Haster and Citizen's arguments are complete shit. You, me, and even caller himself have pretty much decimated each of their arguments....It's a really pathetic attempt. Citizen will probably remove his vote. I will extend until we have a majority. I am not dealing with one of these no lynch situations. I'd have Abenson vote and have it anti-nuked if I he were here. | ||
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JeeJee D3 LMNOP I would like to hear from all of these players as to why they haven't cast their votes yet. The argument is a pretty split one. Maybe I'm missing some things, but I would like to know every elses take on whether they trust Caller or not. | ||
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JeeJee, Caller, LMNOP and Iaaan seem to agree with me... So from where your standing would you say JeeJee, Caller, LMNOP, Iaaan, Abenson, and I are all mafia? | ||
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On April 09 2010 04:05 citi.zen wrote: Caller is mafia. You I think are just playing poorly but very likely town. The rest I don't not know with any certainty. I think you are playing very poorly for not getting a position on any of them. I suggest you go read the thread and decide where they stand. Makes sense to me. | ||
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On April 09 2010 04:05 citi.zen wrote: Caller is mafia. You I think are just playing poorly but very likely town. The rest I don't not know with any certainty. Gonna change your vote? Time's getting pretty close. | ||
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On April 09 2010 06:28 haster27 wrote: With ~OpZ~ and Abenson changing his opinion, JeeJee seems to be most detailed post arguing for citizen lynch. Let me rip his arguments to shreds. Argument about vote counts This argument also assumes that entire Mafia players chose to vote for one person three consecutive days. Seriously? I thought the most basic assumption about Mafia voting pattern was that they would try to avoid suspicion by spreading their votes as much as possible. Yes, they were all bandwagon votes, but RoL and Xelin bandwagon had so much steam going into it there was little reason for Mafia to all-in every time. Overall his repeated statement that four of us voted for same person over and over again is WIFOM. Another specific flaw I found; JeeJee states that four of us created wagon against Nikon when only alternative lynch target was Caller- only for citizen and me to start Caller bandwagon very next day. What? If Caller also is Townie, why wouldn't we have followed the bandwagon suggested by confirmed Townie? Remember you said we are not following the bandwagon that has already formed, but started it. There must be motive for Mafia to start the bandwagon that goes against the argument of confirmed Townie, and therefore draw suspicion later on. If both Nikon and Caller is Townie, it is absolutely illogical for Mafia to continue their bandwagon against Nikon and Caller even when confirmed Townie is strongly arguing for alternative lynch target. Argument against abilities If Mafia - Caller in this case because he is certainly Mafia if citizen is innocent - intended to start bandwagon against citizen, they might easily could have chosen to keep their nuke-stealer in check to further incriminate him. Absense of nuke steal proves nothing. I cannot even understand what you are arguing here. Citizen had his nuke stolen (because immobile three nukes are perfect nuke-stealer target), but cannot say it publicly because it proves his ability cannot NK the people visiting him? Um... didn't we get that verified when Caller claimed to have checked him? I feel like I did not completely understand your point here, so clarification is welcome. Argument against setup "all we know is that there isn't five mafia": your entire argument hinges on this argument being true. I can only see you thinking Caller/~OpZ~/Abenson/d3/yourself are Townies, because otherwise I cannot see why you would make such statement with confidence. Let me state this means nothing. If Caller is Mafia he and d3_crescentia are no longer confirmed Townie. If so it is still possible there are five Mafia present in the game. Also, you berate laaan for never "[considering] the point that there might not be four mafia, but less", but did anyone ever express an opinion that there might be less than three Mafia previous to your post? I have to go momentarily for now, so I'll post my thought about JeeJee's remaining arguments later. Where were you to further argue with me earlier? I would of preferred that. Honestly I have no idea which of you is mafia. Caller not being mafia pretty much hands the game over to town, right then and there. Almost everyone becomes confirmed. Sounds extremely nice. Now let's see if he's right. Citizen voters and would-be voters: Iaaan LMNOP Caller JeeJee I would like this to be noted. I would also like it to be noted all who didn't cast their votes. D3. Abenson, Haster, Myself, Citizen. Let's see where this goes after Caller dies. D3 cast your vote. | ||
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On April 09 2010 06:46 Elemenope wrote: Before going any further: I'd like to hear your mafia suspect list. Please cast your vote for the suspect that seems most scummy. JeeJee should say his role now. I assume he's protown. I assume Iaaan is protown also through knowledge of the daytime nuke protection. Now there is Caller and LMNOP I can't judge. Abenson and I are masons. 2 confirms, and 2 EXTREMELY likely townies. Haster, Citizen vs. Caller - Let's see where it goes. And the nonposting d3. I'm not going to post my suspects. Please post your vote and further arguments. Convince me I'm wrong. I shouldn't need to explain my change of vote to someone who didn't vote. | ||
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But citizen....As a fellow wanter of mafia death...And seeing as you are town as you claim, and LMNOP so graciously attacked you. How do you feel regarding him? | ||
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You were perfectly fine with Citizens death at 5:03. Had I not nuked, we would not be having this discussion. Don't act like my change to Caller even matters at this point. The fact that you were perfectly fine not voting, DESPITE THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED TWO AND A HALF HOURS AGO. Did you notice Citizen didn't change his vote? Oh, and if you would of voted, guess what? MY VOTE CHANGE WOULDN'T OF MATTERED. So, let me get this straight...you were perfectly fine in this lylo situation to be over with a citizen lynch earlier. but once I change my vote to Caller you need to think about it? Hi Mafia. | ||
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On April 09 2010 07:37 ~OpZ~ wrote: ...LMNOP... You were perfectly fine with Citizens death at 5:03. Had I not nuked, we would not be having this discussion. Don't act like my change to Caller even matters at this point. The fact that you were perfectly fine not voting, DESPITE THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED TWO AND A HALF HOURS AGO. Did you notice Citizen didn't change his vote? Oh, and if you would of voted, guess what? MY VOTE CHANGE WOULDN'T OF MATTERED. So, let me get this straight...you were perfectly fine in this lylo situation to be over with a citizen lynch earlier. but once I change my vote to Caller you need to think about it? Hi Mafia. EBWOP: citizen didn't change his vote til 5:46. My bad. Before you use that against my argument. You were fine with citizens death earlier but now you need time to think about it? Well you are GOD DAMNED WELCOME FOR THE TIME THAT MY VOTE CHANGE/NUKE allowed us to have. A thank you would be appreciated. | ||
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You didn't argue WITH ANYONE for not voting, despite you thinking the WHOLE TOWN should be thinking. This is not what you do. I argued all day, and extended the day MULTIPLE times, and set up a decent idea yesterday. I tried to pull votes, I bashed Caller all day yesterday. Even suggested Nikon was third party. And then next, IF you KNEW as you claim I was going to extend the day, THEN PLEASE EXPLAIN why casting your vote mattered? There is no lynch til all nukes land, and according to you, you knew they wouldn't be landing anytime soon. Not like it would matter. and AGAIN Do you not realize that why I changed my vote doesn't matter? I've done explained IF I DIDN'T THE DAY WOULD HAVE ENDED. You pointed this out. I've pointed this out. You seem to be okay with the day not being over, but upset about me changing my vote? Because if I didn't then Citizen would have been lynched by his own hand? Because I wanted more discussion? Because you didn't vote? Because I think Caller is mafia? Because I'm stupid? Because I'm a jack ass? TAKE A REASON. Stop pointing your dirty red fingers at me. | ||
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You say infund/citizen lied multiple times? Caller has lied too. For instance "Oh hai I'm israeli Cop, Meeples scum" "Nah sike, I'm JAPAN" "I don't have anyway of protecting myself from nukes!" Honestly, Caller's lied about everything at least once. Country, Role, Anti-nukes. Role, MAYBE by a slight possibility he only INADVERTENTLY lied. | ||
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On April 09 2010 09:25 haster27 wrote: First, you are ignoring my first paragraph that Mafia could have tried to frame more evidence against him, but I'll accept that this is a point that cannot be verified. Second, God thank you for re-posting this. JeeJee, of COURSE caller would claim AGAINST THE PGO. They can't Kill him AND win in one move. Why not just lynch him, because his role CANT BE VERIFIED. If you're scum, why not attack the one person who has the least evidence supporting him, while still having virtually NO EVIDENCE against him either. Although I did attack infund a while back....maybe someone should resurrect those posts....lol | ||
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On April 09 2010 09:29 JeeJee wrote: Oh I don't deny caller's claim is a clusterfuck of a situation in and of itself. I have stated this multiple times myself. But here's why I choose citizen over caller: citizen lied about his actual ROLE, whereas caller lied about his country and antinuke arsenal. As far as I know, what country you are has no bearing on anything, and lying about not having antinukes is a typical selfish move you can expect from any player of any alignment on day 1. There's much to be gained and nothing to be lost. On the other hand, saying you're X role, but actually have Y powers, well, that makes sense in very few scenarios. For example claiming triggerhappy when you're actually DT will deter mafia from hitting you. Check. Claiming PGO when you're actually supposed to be a townie makes no sense. But, here's a scenario that does make sense: claiming PGO when you're actually mafia, thus deterring DTs from visiting you. btw you mentioned caller has lied about his role. where was this? if this is actually true (i don't recall this off the top of my head but am ctrl+f'ing the thread right after this post) i may as well reconsider the whole thing because the one thing i held to so far is that at least caller hasn't lied about his actual role. Having a restriction on when you can launch your nukes isn't being an actual townie. That's having a role that stops you from launching your nukes unless your nuked. Big difference between townies. Caller's logic is flawed on Iaaan's role. Nikon had a role related to nukes. I image our "One Shot Day Doc" had a role that related to nukes. RoL had a role that was related to nukes. And again, WHY WOULD CITIZEN/infund PUBLICLY argue they kill the person who comes to them at night. I wouldn't say that. | ||
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On April 09 2010 09:40 Elemenope wrote: No, I'm really not. What else do I have to argue when Caller's situation makes sense in retrospect; however the role claim of a role whose inherent role properties have been removed when no other role in the game has had any portion of their role taken away is very suspicious to me. This has been the whole point of why I railed against citizen/infund, because the role of Paranoid Gun Owner has been claimed by infund yesterday, yet even by his/citizen's own admission today, that is not in fact what their role is. Are you completely missing this fact? The reason I didn't cast a vote? Because we don't know if mafia have an anti-nuke or not still Seriously, Why the fuck are you guys casting votes when we have no idea if there's a mafia anti-nuke out there? If there's a majority on a townie, that's a fucking game over right there if mafia launch an anti-nuke. Think. This is why I'm upset. The fact that you railed against Caller yesterday, suddenly reversed your opinion in an almost 180 degrees today when Caller does his claim, then do another 180 for no apparent reason at the very last fucking second in order to get a majority on Caller. I'm finding your Mason claim especially suspicious now. First off: you two are Masons, supposedly confirmed on Day 1. I'm not sure if other people realize this but Masons are a very fucking important role for the town. They have free communication with each other, they know each other to be confirmed townies. This is a tremendous advantage in terms of information gathering. The fact that the mafia haven't killed you yet to nullify this advantage just amazes the fuck out of me. Secondly: You guys seem to be hardly coordinated as Masons. First lynch: 15 people vote for RoL, you two were two among them. Second lynch on Xelin: Abenson votes for Xelin while you vote for Caller. Third lynch on Nikon: Abenson doesn't even vote while you vote for Caller. You guys are supposed to be Masons. Confirmed townies that know each other to be confirmed townies. Yet you guys can't even coordinate your votes properly. Bad Mason communication? Or perhaps mafia trying to spread votes? Thirdly: This whole day? Looks like fucking bullshit overall. Seriously. I don't see the logic at all from going to attacking Caller yesterday, even claiming that Caller should be lynched over Nikon yesterday, to defending Caller and throwing a vote on citizen, then at the last second switching to Caller and claiming that you don't need to give the reason for your switch in vote other than "well, he could be lying." Well guess what, so could every fucking person in here. The fact that both you, abenson, citizen, *and* haster all voted for Caller, tipping this into a precarious situation doesn't sit well with me. On top of that, with this missile being shot, this looks like a fucking setup in order to get a townie killed through having a majority vote sit during a nuke launch, then anti-nuking it while it's in the air. This whole nuke passing thing seems like bullshit, especially since they can choose to do it as many times in the day as they please it seems. Even looking back, it makes sense too. As I said earlier, what if the mafia have an anti-nuke still available? You two have been the ones initiating these false nukes today and yesterday in order to extend the time. Then when nemy launches a missile, and gets it reflected back, you save an anti-missile. This creates the illusion that there are no anti-missiles available to the town to use. Then suddenly, you two launch these presumably fake nukes with the same intention of making sure a majority vote doesn't happen too soon and that we have things to discuss, but at the same time, masking your intention to get a majority vote on a townie, then doing a surprise anti-nuke and thus ending the game. I have no nukes and have no problem launching a fake in order to extend the day if this is going to be ignored in favored of a "well, this guy seemed suspicious from day 1, so let's lynch him when we're in a lylo situation" defense. If you want a vote ##vote: Opz. I would highly suggest, haster, that you look at your vote again. The so-called Masons may in fact just be fucking Mafia. mafia either A) had only one and used it to save Caller, or B) Citizen is mafia. Mafia would of used it to kill citizen earlier. Thank you LMNOP. Our votes? Did we need to be on the same person? Caller wasn't getting lynched yesterday, it was obvious. Abenson took his vote to no lynch, AFTER I told him to so we wouldn't kill without discussion. He just never changed it because IT DIDN'T MATTER. Again, his vote for Xelin? It didn't matter again. Go read the numbers. I told him a lynch is better than no lynch. I believe I argued for Xelin's lynch rather repetitively. I've also BEEN ARGUING FOR CALLERS LYNCH ALL GAME. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703¤tpage=89 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116703¤tpage=102 If you want information to use against Citizen and haster check those pages out. I had a very important point with all of this. Asking haster to look at his vote again? Haster voted For Caller BEFORE ME. Haster Argued with me for lynching Caller. He's argued not to lynch Citizen. The fact that you disappeared when Citizen WAS ABOUT TO BE LYNCHED is a point enough to be suspicious of you. You don't seem to be vanishing when Caller's head is on the chopping block, yet you don't give to shits when citizen's getting it? Oh yea, I been saving my anti-nukes all right. Just waiting for the right moment when a townie's gonna get lynched. Me and JeeJee tried to save RoL for a bit, realized we couldn't...then just sat there like "Fuck." I've ACTUALLY SAVED Zona from being nuked. PROVEN BY ABENSONS CLAIM OF U.K. and U.K. SAVING ZONA. Pow, right in the kisser. | ||
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On April 09 2010 09:56 JeeJee wrote: Actually, our "one shot day doc" was simply a colorful name for a townie who had an antinuke at his disposal. I PMd Ace about this because i was freaked that we lost two doc's (L and BM) in the first day and there is no way there would be a third doc with 1kp mafia. The thing is, they have said it. By claiming PGO, you are claiming you kill people that visit you at night. Likewise, if I were to claim vigi, I claim I can kill a person of my choosing at night. Don't you think if I came out and said "Hey guys, I'm a vigi, my special power is voting during the day" it would look just a wee bit sketchy? A claim like that is lynch-worthy. Every time. Look at Nikon "Hey guys I'm a vet and my power is to.... reflect nukes? oops back to scumville I go" I'm really confused by your underlying motive to argue this. We have a false claimer in our hands and we're ignoring it? When is this ever a good play? Sorry. My earlier quote didn't pop up. "Why wouldn't citizens nukes have been stolen? Because the mafia take him to be PGO. Caller claims the only person that mafia can't NK without dying is scum because his team can't NK him. So can we lynch Caller and get on with this game now?" Address this point. Would you tell the mafia you would kill your night visitor, when you have 3 nukes, and a nuke theif? I wouldn't. How about if you wanted to get hit? Go read infunds claim. He actually first comes out and says he has 3 nukes. That would draw a smack wouldn't it. We should of had Infund nuke our australian friend yesterday, (sry nemy). On April 04 2010 04:02 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I can roleclam for you guys as well, though it's nothing exciting: I am China, pro-town, and have 3 nukes. However I am not allowed to nuke anyone unless they nuke me first. Hi Hi!!! HE CLAIMS!! Sry for that? | ||
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On April 09 2010 09:29 JeeJee wrote: Oh I don't deny caller's claim is a clusterfuck of a situation in and of itself. I have stated this multiple times myself. But here's why I choose citizen over caller: citizen lied about his actual ROLE, whereas caller lied about his country and antinuke arsenal. As far as I know, what country you are has no bearing on anything, and lying about not having antinukes is a typical selfish move you can expect from any player of any alignment on day 1. There's much to be gained and nothing to be lost. On the other hand, saying you're X role, but actually have Y powers, well, that makes sense in very few scenarios. For example claiming triggerhappy when you're actually DT will deter mafia from hitting you. Check. Claiming PGO when you're actually supposed to be a townie makes no sense. But, here's a scenario that does make sense: claiming PGO when you're actually mafia, thus deterring DTs from visiting you. btw you mentioned caller has lied about his role. where was this? if this is actually true (i don't recall this off the top of my head but am ctrl+f'ing the thread right after this post) i may as well reconsider the whole thing because the one thing i held to so far is that at least caller hasn't lied about his actual role. I posted my quote explaining WHY citizen would lie about his role. Then pointed out that Infund claimed PGO AFTER explaining he could only fire nukes as retaliation. Well after. Hunted the post down for you. On the hand hand, there was a nuke stealer you are ignoring, that I posted about earlier. Check the nested quote, Haster's post fuck up, made mine stay hidden. I thanked him for posting MY QUOTE. Caller didn't actually lie about his role, if you believe him to be DT. Inadvertently he may have lied is what I meant IF he is INFACT dt, by being Insane. No need to look. (I addressed most of those points in the post I figured, and addressed them in another post) | ||
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On April 09 2010 11:02 JeeJee wrote: you're not making any sense. your answer to why citi.zen would lie about his ability to kill people at night is to draw a nuke steal, correct? Here's the problem. He claims he has 3 nukes (enticing a nuke steal) but during the same day he claims PGO. If he wanted to entice a nuke steal, he should have waited with this claim until at least after the night, yes? Many other points you are missing by the way.. should i repost them? Yes please be my guest. He claims it in the same day. I believe Caller should be posting and d3 damn sure needs to make his vote selection. I don't think he'll be on to change it, and this is a very important vote. | ||
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But yes. We seem to be on the same page. Our arguments defer with whether or not we believe Caller to have visited the PGO at night. I say no. JeeJee...I really believe you to be confirmed. With the path you are going down is detrimental. I would love it if you nuked me right now JeeJee btw. I still have my retaliation on abenson, and I would love to have another retaliation on you. Abenson will probably be more capable of posting tomorrow, while I will not. This day needs to not end any time soon, and I myself would like two nukes in the air. | ||
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On April 09 2010 11:35 JeeJee wrote: as far as i recall, nobody has used a roleblocker role as well in TL mafia before this game. i believe zona's setup was the first one to use it (although i did miss quite a few games so i may very well be wrong). However, this isn't important. There's just one version of the roleblocker, and likewise there's just one version of PGO. If it were something else, it would be called something else, plain and simple. There have been mafia roleblockers in previous games I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong, but red army 1 I think had them. Caller's post of what the PGO is had a direct link to a similar role that operated the same way. Two versions. And think about the creative names Ace has given roles? I'm not a Mason. I am a Masonic Shield. I'm not gonna lie, your arguments are pretty swaying. Also, that is not where our arguments differ. You explicitly stated you believe citi.zen lied about his role to entice a nuke steal. And the fact that his nukes weren't stolen you attribute to the fact that he claimed PGO. You can't have it both ways, pick one. THIS is where our arguments differ. You say citizen lied, I say Caller lied. Maybe he didn't want to post the rest of his information about night killing people who come after him? To specify even further, my main argument for picking citizen over caller is that citizen lied about his role whereas caller did not (he did lie about a variety of other things however, which, as i've said, would make him my lynch target in an instant until citizen appeared). Moreover, citizen's lie fits right in with a mafia reaction to a FoS to deter DT checks. It does NOT at all fit in with a townie lie to entice a nuke steal. True...Citizen would of done better claiming his nukes were stolen. Smart boy, smart boy.... But stating you have 3 nukes IS pretty enticing. How many nukes were stolen from you JeeJee? This is what I'm trying oh so desperately to convey to you, and you seem to be missing it. and yeah i'm ready to nuke whenever, although i believe we still have a fair amount of time I don't believe my judgment is wrong here. We have two people, quite likely but not necessarily on different teams, one of which is a lying roleclaimer, the other one is just confusing as fuck. In a lylo situation (unless it is 6-3 but i doubt it) i can't believe we are not lynching the confirmed lying roleclaimer. It does not get more scummy than this. Nikon demonstrated this much too accurately. Very true. We need people to argue. That's how we prevail. Through our discussion. I'm still not convinced of Caller's innocence. It pretty much becomes moot if Ace was just making flavor for the name as he did with me and Abenson. please tell me you understand my position now and understand how yours is not correct wrt nuke stealing and citizen's excuse for lying. then we can move on to the other points. This is the most important though as citizen's lie is my whole basis for lynching him and if it is not fully understood, we're in trouble. My position is very much so where I want it to be. It's citizens "lie" vs Caller's "lies." I understand staying off the radar, but do we really want to think that the town and the mafia were both just puppet mastered by caller? And me and you were both Detectives that one game...we were pretty much puppet mastered against Vivi in Caller's game...I know you remember that... Ace. Please give d3 a little longer than 6 hours, I'm not really sure he's U.S. because he said something about going to Italy earlier. I'm not even sure when his last post was. Can you prod him via PM? Modkill this late, if he's town ends the game, and if he's mafia...well...it gives the game away... | ||
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On April 09 2010 12:25 JeeJee wrote: sorry, it seems i have missed communicating one very important point. we have confirmation that citizen lied. we do NOT have confirmation that caller lied (at least not yet). This is what boggles me the most here, that we are voting for a 'maybe' over a 'for sure'. let me elaborate -- citizen claims his ability is to counter nukes. Then he claims his ability is PGO. One of these is a lie. We know this. You bring up the point that he may have left out the piece about killing@night because he wanted to entice a nuke steal. I pointed out how this cannot be the case because he did not wait for night post before he changed his claim. also actually i believe this would paint him in an even worse light if it were possible -- after his claim of PGO, someone presumably visits him at night and does not die. This would just mean another lie. Townies have no reason to do the lies that citizen has made. The ONLY reason that I can see, you have outlined: enticing a nuke steal. However, the events that transpired after rule out this possibility completely. In fact, they actually fit in very well with a mafia choosing to claim PGO in order to stop your FoS from becoming a reality. maybe you actually nabbed a mafia there and caused him to panic? oh and finally, one nuke was stolen from me also, re: this latest replacement, i guess this means waiting for a d3 modkill isn't an option, so we are back to discussing citizen vs caller. i'm trying my hardest to explain my position, and i'm pretty sure my judgment is correct here. Look man....we need more people than just me and you talking here. I have to concede to your logic for now. But again, that is implying Ace took the role from mafia scum and used it word for word how it was to be used. Like I said, it could of just been flavor like my role was. | ||
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I also Championed saving L. Your argument is idiotic. There was no need to respond to it. Lol. "Oh hai, you're mafia, but you argued for saving L + saved Zona + breadcrumbed Abenson so two mafia would seem super townie!" Although I suppose if you believe Caller's BS story, mine seems pretty fucking epic too. Lol...Which story seems more made up. Lol. JeeJee isn't even arguing how town I am. Only you are. Who are you trying to convince I'm mafia LMNOP? Me? Or town? Lol!!! If you forgot that fact too....It was either me and JeeJee (or haster I forget which) who tried to save RoL after him came back posting like a fuck. I also called Nikon as third party, instead of mafia. Also, I'm not explaining myself. Haster seems to have caught on. So if he is mafia, he sees wtf I just did. Citizen was about to lynch himself. I extended the day what, 2 minutes before his death? Maybe he was sitting there f5ing to save himself....You damn sure weren't trying to prevent that lynch from occurring right then. Perfectly content in letting it go through right after Abensons nuke fell. Also, that only applies if I'm scum. I'm a MASON. I've had Zona saved. I tried to get L saved (which BM did), I tried to save RoL. All seem to be confirmed townie to me by now, right? Oh, I also tried to save Nikon and have Caller lynched yesterday.... Haster, if you would like to post what I've done, be my guest. I want someone else to show LMNOP how amazing blatantly obvious I just raped him. If you're wrong don't feel bad, cuz I'm pretty sure your right. It was pretty brilliant, IF Caller is mafia. Um...You have 1 vote, yes. YOU ALSO HAVE THE ABILITY TO DISCUSS, like you seem to be pretty interested in right now? Where was this when Citizen was killing himself YESTERDAY. Maybe you don't have all day to sit around a computer, but you damn sure had time to respond to me nuking and changing my vote. Citizen was only at 5 votes, BECAUSE he voted for himself. Mafia obviously only have one anti-nuke that they used to save Caller. Also, Ace, this game seems a shit town more balanced than the one on mafia scum. The nuke stealer is arguably a town role if Ace modeled that role off the two games on mafia scum. But I do think you would tell the mafia countries not in the game to prevent the mass roleclaim vs. anti-nukes like it.... Basically. Points: 1)I'm not mafia, Abenson saved Zona. Your argument is we did that to further our town image...which was already amazingly pro-town. 2)I'm not mafia, I championed saving plenty of pro-town. I tried to save RoL (I only voted for him to save abenson), and I tried to have L saved. 3)I think wasting an anti-nuke saving a townie I had begun to suspect for a bit is crazy...I would damn sure be selfish with it, and NEVER have claimed I had an anti-nuke. Your arguments for me being mafia are fail. You sat by waiting for citizen to die. You sir, are mafia. I'm asking Haster to explain what I did, for my own personal Lulz. I'd explain it, but I really want more posting. | ||
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Not sure if posting the basis is against the rules. If you would like to, How about I post the basis for this game? -_- I've become uncertain as to whos lying....I'll await Haster's explanation of why I did what I did for personal reasons...Anyone else should be able to see it now....It's obvious. Especially since I've been arguing everyone votes....LMNOP's refusal to vote is one thing. D3/Ateddybear. I'm not going to ignore that. And now LMNOP has become mafia in my mind. | ||
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Honestly, it's an almost 50/50 shot to hit a mafia. I say lynch LMNOP, as he's the only one arguing I'm professional for tricking the town into believing I'm townie, and saving Zona to further my townie image. Not to mention trying to save L, and trying to save RoL. And actually...My almost lynch of Caller YESTERDAY IS A PERFECT EXAMPLE. I tried for Caller yesterday, came OH SO FUCKING CLOSE, then failed to produce. Oh, and an alternate way? D3, LMNOP, Caller are mafia. D3 saved LMNOP, Caller saved himself and checked D3. Me and Abenson are town. JeeJee should post his role/country now, as it doesn't matter anymore. Game will be settled depending on the lynch today. Obv. don't say nukes/anti-nukes. LMNOP thinks I'm mafia. If we lynch a mafia today, we all but win. These things right here are very important. # d3_crescentia (or teddybear) - Hasn't posted # JeeJee (Probably Town) # ~Opz~ (Town) # Caller # haster27 # Elemenope # iNfuNdiBuLuM citizen # Iaaan # Abenson (Town) I need to look at this hard. If Abenson, JeeJee, and I are town....And haster and Citizen are town...then LMNOP, Iaaan, Caller, and D3 are Mafia. But...If Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee, and LMNOP (or Iaaan) are town. (Everyone up here, with the exception of D3, whom has been unable to state a position, has wanted citizen dead) Haster, Citizen and Iaaan (or LMNOP) (But he voted for Citizen, the same as LMNOP seems to have wanted to vote) are mafia...Try and find a conclusion, based on the amount of support lynching Citizen gathered...Then find an equation that works. It's 6:3 that way given the support Citizens lynch has gotten. While if that is the case, we can mislynch. But I don't feel thats the case. Do you? DO YOU SEE HOW IT DOESN'T ADD UP JEEJEE? If Caller is town, D3 must be confirmed, and LMNOP was completely content with Citizen killing himself, which was not an opposing position. Hell Citizen TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF. Iaaan Voted for citizen, then followed me QUICKLY on the withdraw. @JeeJee Second post on this page, (the one thats just a quote that I ignored). Accuses me SEVERAL times throughout it. "because the anti-nuke wasn’t used when citizen at 5 votes, both you and citizen are fucking mafia. " | ||
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Go read when L was being nuked repetitively. I championed saving him. BM saved him. I couldn't save him at the time because Abenson was the one granted with the Anti-nuke at the time. Abenson saved Zona. Your out of order right there LMNOP. I breadcrumbed Abenson when I was the one being lynched, AT YOUR URGING. Lol. It's funny...Let's see what JeeJee says about the math though. Someone here is mafia. I guess for me to be mafia, Citizen Haster Me and Abenson need to be mafia. And that be it with the mafia.... I like that. There's your addition that will work if you wanna use it. I think it's funny. BM saved L, BECAUSE ABENSON WAS NOT ON TO LAUNCH THE ANTI-NUKE. I posted that REPEATEDLY in the thread, and even said "I was not the one given antinukes" to Versatile. Quit ignoring all my other posts that I've made to build your argument. I stated I had anti-nukes because...well I dunno about you, but I don't feel like getting fucking nuked. Caller claimed to not have anti-nukes to save his. Lolz? Argument only works for him? Nikon claimed to have taken a hit. There was one night kill. Iaaan claimed vet too, but didn't claim to have been hit. Nikon reflected a nuke. Iaaan said vet had day time protection. So NATURALLY, putting two and two together, the average SK is a combination of a vet and a vigi, WITH their own win condition. Don't need to be mafia to figure that much out. Lol. You don't need to be mafia to see that. Uhm.... I'm arguing you are mafia. You could of ARGUED for everyone to pull their votes off and think before lynching citizen. But you didn't post for those five hours, NOR did you do ANYTHING before you disappeared. We needed a strong argument TO STOP THE DAY FROM ENDING. And citizen had to go and fuck EVERYTHING up by voting for himself. LMNOP before citizens death, because he doesn't seem to have a position at all in these posts....right? + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2010 14:31 Elemenope wrote: All I can say is: rage much? I don't know who to put my vote on. On one hand, we have Caller who has been relatively inactive and seemingly full of scum. Yet with this claim and the night kills up until now, his action does seem to make sense. If he seemed like a viable lynch target, why would mafia bother to hit him if they can get the town to waste a lynch by lynching him? Unless someone wants to directly counter his claim with a Japan claim. Then we have Citi.zen/infund who claimed Paranoid Gun Owner, but then says that the role consists solely of nuke-retaliation, which means the main point around the PGO ability has been taken out - hence, it shouldn't even be called PGO anymore. I'm more leaning that citizen/infund were lying because of that role point. Nikon claimed Veteran, was caught in a lie, and he ended up anti-town. China's ability to launch only retaliation nukes doesn't even seem like a PGO claim at all, I don't see why infund/citizen would claim as such unless it was to avoid night checks which can make sense. The whole nuking thing just seems more of like a nuke restriction, similar to a post restrictions in other games: just to be a hindrance for the person. I'll see what happens though for a bit since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time to mull things over. On April 08 2010 15:28 Elemenope wrote: I am more leaning towards you lying about your role claim because...you know....you are. Why would you have a Paranoid Gun Owner role when you lack the absolute function of a Paranoid Gun Owner that makes him so Paranoid and a Gun Owner. Your role with what infund and you have claimed may as well be Pussy who won't fire nukes first rather than Paranoid Gun Owner as it definitely pertains a lot more to what your role is supposedly. Fishball has claimed tracker: he tracked where caller went, as per every single tracker out there in mafia. Opz and Abenson are Masons, and as such, they can communicate with each other, as per every single mason out there in mafia. Nikon was SK, and as such, he killed people at night, as per every single SK out there in mafia. Infund/you are Paranoid Gun Owner, and as such, you don't kill people who visit you at night [even by your own admission], as per....no paranoid gun owner, ever? On April 08 2010 21:24 Elemenope wrote: We have til 5:03 KST til nuke lands. I'm not quite sure what clock you're looking at. Also: you have Abenson to call on a vote for Citizen if you truly believe citizen to be scum. I'm also willing to believe as such, but would like to hold my vote a bit unless there's anything else he or haster want to say. On April 09 2010 00:51 Elemenope wrote: You know, if you want to say something, it'd be preferable to say it as soon as possible. 1)If Abenson isn't mafia, I'm not mafia? 2)Who have you championed saving specifically? 3)Lol. If you didn't have any anti-nukes would you say that unless you were being nuked and trying to get a townie to waste theirs like Caller did? Lol. Oh, and I'm assuming D3 is mafia for Saving you LMNOP. | ||
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But Haster seems to have noticed what I did perfectly. Abenson could very well have done without saying I told him to nuke when the day began, but there you go. He said that, preventing the lynch of citizen. No. I didn't antinuke to stop citizen from getting lynched. Abenson nuked to PREVENT citizen from getting lynched. | ||
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It's gotten pretty tiring arguing with JeeJee cuz he is probably town. Sadly me and him have very differing beliefs. So if you hear me JeeJee, if you are mafia, you probably will still win, because I can't justify lynching you. Also...Your role if you don't mind. | ||
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On April 09 2010 23:40 JeeJee wrote: yeah, we have iirc 5.5hr til i have to nuke? roughly. 10min less or so actually lmnop does bring up an interesting point that not all masons need be townie aligned. i haven't considered this possibility at all based on behavior but will still see for completeness' sake how it affects the math, if at all (although tbh i don't think it will) That's it? No opinion? No response to haster's post? Nothing?! Abenson has a mind of his own. Hence mine and his different votes. He followed my against JohnnySpazz, but every point he made was his own. Completely and totally. Are you honestly suggesting I am the mafia in the group or Abenson is? Let me remind you, I was about to die. I breadcrumbed HIS name. So if there is a mafia between me and him, it is HIM. But I don't feel that is the case. He saved Zona. I didn't urge this. I suggested to him Zona might be DT and he agreed. He even messaged it to Ace early, and said he tried to "un-antinuke" at one point because he wanted to save it. I just told him, Zona and Haster27 were the first to defend us when we claimed Mason. I figured we owed Zona one for this, but I didn't say that to him. I'm glad he did anti-nuke it though. And we both were betting he was the cop. Oops, he was Vigi...Guess we were wrong there... We also haven't been very far from each others opinions. We just haven't voted for the same targets. I'm against bandwagoning for the most part. So. Basically. If one of us is an EVIL MASON, it is him. But I don't feel that is the case. I feel we only were granted a tracker. No DT. No Bus Driver has stepped forward. So please. Please gosh jolly green fucking giant, PLEASE explain how Caller makes sense? | ||
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On April 09 2010 23:56 Elemenope wrote: Incorrect. If you were mafia; then citizen, you, and any two of iaaan/citizen/jeejee/haster are mafia. You being mafia has no bearing on Abenson being mafia at all. HOW CAN YOU KNOW NIKON ACTUALLY TOOK A HIT UNLESS YOU AS MAFIA KNOW YOU HIT HIM? The only way you could know Nikon was third party instead of mafia is if you were mafia. Nikon could've thrown a hit on Versatile as well as mafia, or Nikon could've elected to not use his hit as strange as that may be. It's not natural at all to assume SK is a combination of vet and vigi. Are you daft? I had already said that Caller's position makes more sense than citizen's position. Nobody is arguing that. Your claim that I was content in citizen dying is that since I was on at the time that the nuke was going to land, and did absolutely nothing, then obviously, I'm fine with him dying. That's an illogical conclusion for numerous reason. For one: I'm of the opinion that claiming he can only launch retaliatory nukes, claiming PGO, then saying that he doesn't have any night-retaliatory action is a lie. There's no sense in that at all. Secondly, after I do my first post where I say "since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time", right after, you even quote me, and say that you'll launch a nuke to extend the day even further. Given your track record for the previous day, am I suddenly supposed to deny your claim? Thirdly: my last post was at 0:51, 5 complete hours before the nuke hits. And I come back one hour after the nuke hits. Yet this obviously means that I am content with citizen dying. You have not given a logical response to this other than your belief, which may I remind you: citizen says we're not supposed to rely on, that I was on from 11:25 on April 08 to 05:58 of April 09, almost 24 hours for a shitty mafia game. Are you serious? If you're going to bring in time into this to try to out me, then you're going to have to bring in the whole timeslot rather than just a specific section that makes you look better. 1) Not correct. 2) L for one, considering at the start of the day, a lot of people were interested in lynching him because of his effect on past games when I said that his past games should have no bearing on the outcome of this, so it's a faulty reason for lynch. I specifically say When Nikon and Xelin launch nukes at Zona, I say that this was a bullshit move. Oh look, two people who you seem to value so highly. 3. If you had anti-nukes for town use, wouldn't you save nemy or Zona the second time he had a nuke launched at him? Lol. Check Caller's games. Secret Nazi had extra night lives. http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Serial_killer Serial Killer is generally considered to be one of the hardest roles to win with. To compensate for this, some mods have been known to give Serial Killers extra abilities, such as making them immune to either some or all night kills, or having them show up as innocent to Cop investigation. Stop arguing about SK. I've done argued the point mafia could of hit versatile also (when Nikon was still alive, just after the night ended), BUT versatile seemed pretty fucking scummy to everyone. You included. I think Nikon was trying to help us then. I'm arguing, out of all the posts you made, you never told anyone NOT to vote for citizen. And to use the remaining time to think instead. No. Instead you FURTHERED THE BANDWAGON AGAINST CITIZEN. Are YOU daft? On April 09 2010 23:57 Elemenope wrote: This is faulty right here for one good reason: No town member would throw a vote out in a lylo situation if they weren't completely sure of who they were voting for. Then Iaaan and JeeJee are mafia. Correct? They through their votes out in the lylo situation. Did you ignore my statement that I had no anti-nukes? Oh. maybe you actually believed me in the last 20 or so pages when I said I had some. Lol. I acted like I did. Maybe I explicitly claimed them. But everyone seems to be ignoring Haster's post. No comment from anyone? I would of saved L if I could. I PM'd ACE ASKING if I could control Abensons anti-nukes. I PM'd Chezinu to try and get him to take over Abenson's role. (Abenson was gone for something, asked to be replaced, I couldn't save L myself, because I have no Anti-nukes) There. Now you can have a draw LMNOP. Since you had to know that. I have no anti-nukes. Not a single one. | ||
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On April 10 2010 00:13 Elemenope wrote: You were about to die? Yeah. You were in great fucking danger of dying. Abenson and L were the only ones in danger of dying. Consider: A) You are mafia aligned Mason B) Abenson is townie aligned Mason When Abenson is a likely candidate for a lynch, you breadcrumb his name into a post and state that he is a mason along with you later in the day. This way, if Abenson gets lynched, oops, he pops townie Mason, people think you’re town. If he doesn’t get lynched, then you both ride on the fact that you’re Masons, and you can tell which way Abenson should vote in a decisive situation such as this, and the town will believe your claims to be valid thinking that you’re both townie aligned Masons as posited on day 1. So then why was neither Zona nor nemy saved again? Um, do you not understand the power of a Mason? They have one less person to convince in order to get a majority lynch on someone. This is a huge advantage. The fact that you two aren’t even taking advantage of this until the very last game-deciding vote is quite suspicious. And no DT? Have you been paying attention to the game at all? Why don’t we just have the nuke stealer step forward. Oh wait. Then JeeJee and Abenson were lying obviously. Sexy little out of context quote there. Did you miss the votes for me that weren't counted by Ace in because the votes were switched before Ace made another count? =D I was tied with L, then people pushed for Abenson. The people on my jumped off me and onto him. People for L went later. Nice....I've done explained that part of the game once WAY earlier. Oh. We took advantage of it today. We have discussed EVERY vote amongst each other. Abenson isn't as active as me, if you haven't noticed. Discussed Zona and Nemy in later post. We are clearly out of antinukes. I had nuke, Abenson had Anti-nuke. one/one If I was mafia, I wouldn't care if a lynch majority occurred....and I keep trying to make one happen Anyway I guess the game ends today. I'm not extending again, and no lynch = mafia win. GG guys. I'm going to work at 12. And I said that last night. Choke. | ||
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I personally am going with Me, You, Haster, Citizen, and Abenson being town. Or is it Me You Abenson D3 Caller? Neither way leaves room for LMNOP, and both ways have 5 "Confirmed" townies. LMNOP is mafia by the numbers according to Callers alignment check of D3, BY THE LOGIC YOU WANT TO GO BY. Let us Lynch LMNOP. If Haster and Citizen are right, Then LMNOP is mafia. If Caller is right, LMNOP is mafia. THERE IS NO WAY GIVEN THE NUMBERS (IF you aren't Mafia) FOR LMNOP TO BE TOWN. (Unless there are really only 3 fucking mafia, or no mafia, but if there is no mafia, we might as well lynch LMNOP anyway.) Do you also keep ignoring my calls for your role claim on purpose? -_- | ||
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He is mafia by numbers. If Caller is truthful, Elemenope can't be mafia unless their is three mafia, and we continue to accept JeeJee as Town. Remember, Caller "checked" D3. Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee If Haster and Citizen are right Citizen, Haster, Abenson, Me, JeeJee Otherwise we are not in a lylo situation and can be wrong. | ||
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On April 10 2010 00:40 citi.zen wrote: Wait, don't we have the votes for Caller already? Can we get an official count? Me you haster Abenson does not a majority make. I say we lynch LMNOP. Numbers don't lie. And JeeJee won't Role claim. I'm going to work. Be back in 8 hours. And citizen, since you can't launch real nukes....Please Nuke Iaaan Also. -_- either you'll do us a favor, by proving you can't launch nukes, or b)prove Iaaan isn't a veteran. Bye. Also, Everyone please vote LMNOP as per this post. On April 10 2010 00:43 ~OpZ~ wrote: ##Vote Elemenope He is mafia by numbers. If Caller is truthful, Elemenope can't be mafia unless their is three mafia, and we continue to accept JeeJee as Town. Remember, Caller "checked" D3. Abenson, Myself, Caller, D3, JeeJee If Haster and Citizen are right Citizen, Haster, Abenson, Me, JeeJee Otherwise we are not in a lylo situation and can be wrong. It makes sense if you think about it. JeeJee and Abenson were the first to claim nuke theft. Maybe JeeJee and Abenson are both Mafia and use it to confirm JeeJee? Only other possibility I can come up with. But I'm taking it as Abenson is town, and told me the truth. Then JeeJee is town too. So he must be on the list including me and Abenson. If we are in a lylo, LMNOP and IAAAN are both mafia. With the other mafia to be decided between Citizen/haster, and Caller/d3 (who are absent from the discussion at hand). If we aren't in a lylo, we can be wrong. All we need to do is lynch LMNOP and we should have a perfectly clear picture, BECAUSE HE CAN'T BE TOWN IF JEEJEE IS TOWN. | ||
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Good, then you don't mind lynching LMNOP with me? Citizen, we need 5 votes for the majority, not 4. And if lynching LMNOP will convince JeeJee, I'm fine with it. I've done explained he can't possibly be town no matter what if this is Lylo | ||
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On April 10 2010 01:03 citi.zen wrote: The only problem is this: I am 100% sure Caller is lying, since he claimed to have confirmed me as a red, which I obviously know I am not; I was and still am comfortable getting lynched myself to give the town indisputable information about Caller and his fake claims. LMNOP I cannot be certain of. Probable perhaps, but far from certain in my book. Citizen. The math. Benefits. Him being mafia. NO MATTER WHAT. -_- | ||
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On April 10 2010 01:20 JeeJee wrote: this still stands unanswered by opz, which irks me the most because this is what i base my whole argument on citizen's lynch about. it has been standing unanswered this entire time, even after i started ignoring all of my other points/queries in an effort to get your official stance on this one so there is no confusion with other points, yet somehow this still remains unanswered. please please PLEASE answer this. give me your official statement here. I have done my best to answer every single thing about my position and i believe i have done so. please return the favor by answering this one thing IF we LYNCH LMNOP AND HE IS MAFIA, like I've proved, THEN THERE WE GO. We know Citizens color. Lynching LMNOP PROVIDES JUST AS MUCH INFORMATION as Caller, Citizen. | ||
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On April 10 2010 02:51 JeeJee wrote: hold on let me get this straight if we're in lylo, lmnop has to be mafia, and if we're not, it's okay if we fuck up since it's not lylo? my question is, why do you ignore a lying roleclaimer in favor of someone who may not be mafia at all, just because if he isn't, we can make a mistake? do you realize this means this time next day will be the same except we will have one less townie arguing? and instead of 1/3 town being mafia, it will be almost half? @citizen i have all the answers to that post; i am surprised you misinterpretted my position yet again, but i have to run to a meeting. i will be back in 1hr10min +/-10min, well before any nuke deadline. so BE HERE LMNOP HAS to be Mafia. There is no way around it. Caller claims he checked d3. Caller claims citizen is red. That's two right there townie. Me and abenson, thats four. You, (whom got the same clue for nuke steal that Abenson got) thats Five. There are 9 players. LMNOP has to be mafia if caller is telling the truth. If Caller is lying, Haster and Citizen want Caller dead. Haster could of just voted Citizen and ended it. If haster, Citizen, Me, Abenson, and You that is 5 vs 4. LMNOP isn't on either list. Now, unless the Nuke stealer is like in the Mafia Scum games, and is an "Arms Dealer" that is actually town aligned...But I haven't heard no one say they've been receiving nukes like the Arms Dealer role does. So unless there is 3 mafia, LMNOP is mafia. -_- | ||
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On April 10 2010 03:36 haster27 wrote: Where did lylo come from? I thought ~OpZ~ said LMNOP was Mafia no matter either citizen or Caller was lying, which makes him a perfect compromise. Hell, you even agreed he has to be Mafia if Caller is correct: Currently there are 4 Mafia 5 Townie. (44.4%) Next day there will be 3 Mafia 4 Townie. (42.9%) Where did 1/3 and half the Town argument come from? (unless I am failing at numbers again.) Moreover, the fact that Town has to vote together does not change, and getting four Townies to agree with each other will definitely be easier than getting five Townies to agree with each other. However, I agree with your statement that it is beneficial to get Caller/citizen issue resolved now- and I am eagerly waiting how laaan and d3_cresentia will place his vote. Hopefully it will be enough to break this stalemate. I'm not going to vote for caller again tonight. I've outed LMNOP as guaranteed mafia. He dies tonight as far as I'm concerned. I will not resolve the Caller debate until LMNOP comes up red. That gives us insight, as he was for Citizens lynch. So if LMNOP is mafia, Caller is by association mafia. | ||
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On April 10 2010 05:06 d3_crescentia wrote: Since the discussion earlier today has been all about Citizen/Caller, here's what I'm thinking. Citizen's PGO claim doesn't make any sense in consideration of what PGO usually is, and I'm thinking that there's some other hidden something to his role. On the other hand, we have Caller, who has spouted a bunch of BS about how he's Israel/Japan/Bratislava/whatever, as well as being an Insane Cop. I'm not sure of Caller's true alignment, since he might easily be mafia making shit up about people - and because he's an alignment cop he would have the information about who is town/not if he were mafia, since alignment cops don't get any details on roles. Then we've got the heat thrown on Elemenope. If anyone has any questions regarding my anti-nuke, it's because 1) we had an anonymous North Korean nuke (which I thought was a RED attack) and 2) he had been posting fairly town-aligned up until recently. Now that things have changed, well, who knows what he could actually be. If the argument between citizen/Caller is going to go on any further, here's what I suggest: citizen will attempt to nuke Caller/Elemenope, and if he's PGO (by his description) I'm guessing we're still going to go through the motions of nuclear launch, but it'll land a dud. If Caller attempts to pull any crazy BS, we'll simply either 1) lynch him or 2) anti-nuke if he decides to nuke. Yes, I'm quite aware this plan is going to raise ToD... but the problem is that we can't afford to NOT nuke at this point in time. The town needs 100% accuracy over the next 4 days if we're going strictly by lynching. I'm assuming we have 3 nukes until we hit the Danger Zone, and unless Ace is going to dick us over hard then WE need to make use of these last three. One more thing - in a normal mafia game, the town would have lost by now, even with 100% lynch accuracy. It's only because we have nukes/special roles that we're still here. So, my question - what happens when citizen attempts to nuke Caller? The day gets extended by another 24 hours, but a normal missile falls? Or does citizen implode on himself? Let's shift gears for a second here, back to the player list: CONFIRMED: ~OpZ~ [Canada, Mason] Abenson [United Kingdom, Mason] d3_crescentia [Sweden, Town-aligned] - I'm confirming myself UNCONFIRMED Caller (Israel/Japan, INSANE Alignment Cop) citizen (China, Paranoid Gun Owner) JeeJee (???, Town-aligned?) haster27 (Portugal, Townie) Elemenope (Vietnam, Townie) Iaaan (Antarctica, Veteran) The unclaimed: - Colombia, Nuke Stealer - Unknown, Bus Driver - Unknown, Roleblocker First thing - JeeJee needs to step up and claim, so this list is complete. The next five on the list are immediately suspect. We can remove Caller/citizen right now since that's who we're discussing currently, so that leaves us with haster27/Elemenope/Iaaan. My gut feeling is that one of these is actually our Colombian nuke-stealer. Iaaan's claim as Veteran has been virtually uncontested since we lynched Nikon, though this is something that we actually CAN confirm, were it not for our radiation levels - but at least we it's possible to actually account for this, if we need to confirm him. I'm thinking we actually DO need to confirm him, since his claim effectively takes him off as a nuke target. But given the amount of lying that's gone down in this game so far it's entirely possible that his role is completely different (i.e. scum). My suspects at this point in time: haster27, Elemenope, Iaaan... and one of Caller/citizen. I'd like to reserve my vote until the last moment, so... ##vote: abstain MAFIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA | ||
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On April 10 2010 08:30 citi.zen wrote: It's not armed. In retrospect I should have nuked a 3rd party and then asked Jeejee to nuke me. Perhaps it's not too late, if Flamewheel rules we were "on hold" and that action should not count. I could Nuke OpZ to give him another option to retaliate, then jeejee would nuke me and put his money where his mouth is. Instead, Iaaan should nuke you, and you should nuke him. Plain and simple. I'm done with this. JeeJee has lost all credibility to me. You voting for yourself is retarded, and if you get do it, as you said to me earlier, YOU ARE LVP. -_-...I'm trying to kill a mafia I've explained is all but guaranteed. Abenson can change his vote if he likes, but I'm not...I'm thoroughly annoyed right now with all of you. | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote: Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:28 JeeJee wrote: do you understand why i've finally snapped some minutes ago? i am convinced, convinced you're a fucking townie, i have asked you this one question among many others, it wasn't answered. i have eliminated all the "many others" and focused on this one question, you haven't answered. i brought it up again, saying "please please PLEASE answer this" you reply. AND DON'T ANSWER IT!!! dude what the fuck? As I've said before JeeJee. I DON'T CARE if Citizen is lying. Holy fuck. I've done explained it before too. Citizen has explained the same thing (although after my posts) that Ace could have just used it as FLAVOR. If he is telling the truth, FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU ACE. But....I've done explained LMNOP is lying. His death, opens up the world to us. Do you not understand that. I'm literally crying right now because you can't see that. I don't care about confirmed/unconfirmed role claims. You haven't even claimed. I just want LMNOP to die. LMNOP who has seemed like town most of the game, THROUGH HIS SUPPORT BEHIND CALLER. If LMNOP is mafia, CALLER is MOST LIKELY mafia. -_- | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote: pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie...I guess I'll have to find a way to force a draw. I will launch another nuke right before I get hit. If I die and pop mason, haster, launch a nuke at citizen, and I Implore all other townies, if I die, nuke citizen, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NUKES. Citizen, retaliate one EVERYTHING, again, if I die. | ||
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On April 10 2010 09:54 JeeJee wrote: you don't care that we have a confirmed roleclaimer of a liar? i'm done with logic. Are you ignoring my statements about Flavor? or are you the blind one? I've addressed it previously by saying they could be flavor of the name. Flavor is just making something sound....better "DA BOOGEY MAN" for instance. | ||
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-_- Again, Watch JeeJee be red. -_-...Ace shoulda left the day continue.... I knew I shoulda nuked before I went to work.... | ||
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Also, if Abenson = Mafia/Mason.... I will hate life. | ||
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I bet you do....Lol...Well I'm the masonic sword actually, obv. reasons, you're the masonic shield....obv. reasons. So I'd assume we're both town aligned. Lol...Our roles are a little too intertwined. So I'm fairly certain you aren't mafia... Sadly...I'm pretty sure if tonight doesn't end it, we will lylo tomorrow...and be fucked That is all. | ||
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On April 10 2010 20:18 Abenson wrote: Lol I was wondering if you were mafia mason for some time Also if you start listening to LMNOP I'll be furious...Thanks D3 for not voting, I'll be your mafia. Citizen, I'm tired of you voting for yourself. Haster, Appreciated it. JeeJee, Basically, if I'm right your LVP, if your right....I'm LVP.... | ||
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I did exactly what I told Abenson and random other people in PM's that aren't playing I was going to do....-_-...Isn't my fault town couldn't come together....had one more vote for caller to kill him. Had LMNOP about to be lynched... | ||
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Dunno how the game goes....Dunno if they'll have numbers at the end of the night. Can hit d3 I suppose, try and have caller claim to have known he was townie...ect. ect. I dunno...Games ova.... | ||
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On April 11 2010 06:27 L wrote: Not really. That was stupid in its own right, but the last day alone was absolutely ridiculous. The entire mafia team was caught and townies basically went: " Ok lol, we won't kill any of you :3 :3 :3 " -_- Seriously...Don't remind me. You seen my pm's.... -_____________- JeeJee was the only one I wasn't sure about, but at the end....When he put his vote....I couldn't stand it. Seriously me jumping on citizen....Just handed it....and fucking no body would vote. Props to Abenson. Thanks Ace...God life blows. and flamewheel | ||
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On April 11 2010 06:36 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Well basically Opz was on the right track (finally) and Abenson would listen to him. Haster of course knew that he had to get mafia to win, so he was playing for the town that day. iaaan afk'd and didnt do anything, and citizen decided to be dramatic and vote for himself in a rage until he got his shit together and tried to defend himself. i think the town could have lynched caller, until they tried to switch to Elemenope at the last second and basically not enough people were there. No....Iaaan afk'd our way to loss...Even switching to LMNOP we coulda won if Iaaan was on and trusting me -_- | ||
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On April 09 2010 12:05 ~OpZ~ wrote: Very true. We need people to argue. That's how we prevail. Through our discussion. I'm still not convinced of Caller's innocence. It pretty much becomes moot if Ace was just making flavor for the name as he did with me and Abenson. Yo...JeeJee...I had answered the point you had said I been dodging, a bit before... I thought you just kept saying I ignored it to make me mad. Couldn't think of a good answer other than that.... So can I get anyones thoughts when I railed against citizen so hard? Please tell me you all saw that...I noticed JeeJee and Caller were the only to outright vote for citizen. Elemenope just tossed his support against citizen. I just refused to believe JeeJee was mafia...Had I turned there.... geh....Haster you bastard >_< You let JeeJee skate by, AND THEN said he didn't have to role claim...And you were the reason I had confirmed him...Omg....You coulda just claimed Town Aligned Arms Dealer (I think I posted the links to the games ace based this off of) especially considering you couldn't get hit at night. Haster called for mafia by me, actually SK Assumed Zona was dt, was actually vig All the mafia defended L.... -______- Last day I prove all mafia, and it all hinged on lynching LMNOP or Caller (assuming iaaan was mafia, but Haster would kill JeeJee, which would of put Iaaan back in the mix, I woulda said D3, but there was no way to get him lynched at that point.) + Show Spoiler + ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Lol... Well...I hope my trap is suscessful. I played it as good as I could, and for being so "purposely/seemingly" inactive, Caller sure missed a good bit of the thread. I also don't like Haster's arguments. But two camps exist, with only d3 not being a part of either. If Citizen is town, and he voted for himself, it fucked my plan over completely. It forced LMNOP to sit on the sideline and not have to cast a vote. -_- ----------------------------------------- Original Message: (L) lol. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: -_- Just some insight...my full intention was for mafia to bus citizen and help caller create the bandwagon, see who jumps on it, then jump on Caller's lynch train...If Caller is being truthful, after messing up in this post "Neither of whom looks at nukes but at people. We also have a veteran (iaaan) who can take night hits. Not nukes. So clearly, there are plenty of roles that don't involve nukes." Then I will be highly upset.... God...So many nukes...I thought it was more balanced with nukes/anti and less nukes than that... It was still a fun ass game... | ||
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