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On March 28 2010 10:53 Iaaan wrote: I think I missed what the point of extending the day AGAIN was..... Well, when I die and flip if i'm not saved, I'd kinda like people to nuke the people I'm telling them to nuke prior to them getting another opportunity to throw nukes out. That alone makes it worthwhile for me. | ||
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umm, i'm not RoL. i wouldn't have launched a nuke just to eff the town, that's not my style. so that point is null and void. You're worse. And yeah, throwing 3 nukes is kinda anti-town.Here's my problem L. Here's mine: You're probably mafia and you're going to nuke again come daytime. I really don't give a shit about you say you're going to do, you already nuked once and should die immediately. Lets look at the facts: you said once I died you'd be okay with dying. Right? Right. So if that's the case, I'm probably going to get nuked in 3 hours because Versatile's a complete loser. I'm going to flip town. When that happens why would you resist being nuked given that you admit that you'd LYNCH YOURSELF at that point? Do you just want to tie up another town lynch? Think about it. There's no way out of it. As versatile has pointed out, AND demonstrated, nuking people who've already been shown to have nukes is just downright stupid and suicidal. No, Versatile has demonstrated that she is anti-town by THROWING OUT THREE NUKES. Do you fucking THINK before you post? WHAT IS THERE TO STOP PEOPLE FROM NUKING WHOMEVER THEY WANT IF YOU THINK THAT COUNTER-NUKING ISNT AN OPTION? We're already going to have our lynches booked until day 3. The more nukes that are fired according to your plan, the less disincentive there is to nuke. Do you not get why that might be bad? Do you not understand how fucked that is? But then, who'd be willing to carry that judgment out, when it would possibly lead to a retaliatory nuke against themselves? In your scenario, all that happens is more dead townies, all in the name of justice. So essentially here you state that people should be willing not to nuke you because you'd nuke them back? But you just said you aren't going to nuke anymore. So why wouldn't someone nuke you at this point? | ||
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-we've taken the same amount of nukes towards town, only you can throw your nuke whereever you want. -we don't have the option of nuking you on day 2 because you can still retaliate. So the net effect of not killing you is essentially granting you a gratis nuke usage. Strategy #2: If you're being nuked and you're town, why wouldn't you throw a nuke onto the person you're most suspicious of? You're already going to die, why not take the KP into your own hands and fix the town up on your own? 1) I am town 2) I am nuked 3) Upon being nuked, I fulfill my promise, and do not retaliatory nuke. I die. Result: Town loses a townie, strategy flawed. More importantly, lets look at this in another manner: Strategy #2b: 1) You're town 2) We lynch you as per your agreement. 3) We lose a townie AND a lynch. See where this is going? You're intentionally trying to soak tomorrow's lynch. But actually you're doing more than that. See your strategy number 2? You admit in the same post that even if you're town, you WILL retaliate: I wasn't speaking specifically about myself. When on the topic of not retaliating. We should let the mafia beat us, rather than get beaten by ourselves. Or we could kill the people who are most likely to be mafia and win. Those people are those who are distinctly anti-town.But really, that's irrelevant, it comes down to this: And there's nothing that would prevent people from nuking, except the suspicion of the town. That's one of the reasons that attempted to explain fully the reasons why I nuked you. You admit that everyone in this game, if we followed you, could nuke at will. Given the long lineup that'll form for lynches, people will be less and less likely to actually die via a nuke. This is the exact same type of operation that happened in the red mafia game wherein we killed ourselves almost immediately starting with 2 shitty townies basically starting a shooting spree. Zero mafia died. That's what you want to re-create and its pretty obvious that its not in town's favor to do so. Nuke this guy immediately after I die. Nuke XeliN as well. Since everyone's sitting around thinking someone else will do it, I will name 2 people. JeeJee and Haster. You're up to bat. If you don't want to, fine; pick someone of your choice. to do this. | ||
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The first 4 lines are a comparison of if you're mafia and we nuke you compared to if you're mafia and we let you stay alive. Simply put you get to fire off an extra nuke. If you're mafia, there's nothing that's pro-town about letting you live. You'd fire off a nuke tomorrow AND soak our lynch. You might even try to get off the hook and not fire, only deciding to fire off a nuke the moment someone attempts to put you under the lynch bus. Which is exactly what you did to me. | ||
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I'm the medic. hence why I didn't give a shit about the person with anti-nukes calling himself out; I'd have been able to protect him. I'm going to flip green or blue. My country is egypt. I might be able to stop one of these nukes from dealing any damage, but I can't save myself so its kinda useless. If i'd have claimed earlier, I'd have died during the night to mafia anyways. That said: You guys need to start nuking the kids who have nuked without consent. Period. If some of you die? Oh well, you've probably just killed a mafia member. You can't let people throw nukes left and right or you will lose. See the prior game with a similar ruleset for information. tree.hugger's posts make near zero-sense. They're literally doublespeak. Do not listen to pretty much anything he says and please nuke his face off. More importantly: Who are you guys going to kill tomorrow? I'm pretty sure Iaaan is mafia. tree.hugger and XeliN should be nuked tonight regardless. After these guys are dead, kill the votelist that formed against me. Like I said earlier, mafia are incredibly easy to fish out during votes that seem ambiguous like that. I used it to pretty much win last game alone and I'm almost 100% certain that it will apply here too. My nukes are duds, so Caller will not die. Regardless of if mafia is actively nuking or sitting back, either way you guys need too put some teeth to the town policy against nuking or you will lose. No questions asked. | ||
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This is the most important paragraph in there. If you don't follow it, you are probably going to get raped. Do not let people who are probably mafia just spam the thread with incredibly illogical arguments to get you sidetracked. Editted to put red in. Frankly, since I'm going to die in 4 minutes, I don't care that I've editted:3. | ||
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On March 28 2010 15:29 Versatile wrote: LMAO. fake nuke BM? AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA. L is going to kill you. what a failure at life. my nuke isn't fake by the way. : ) Nah he's a G. | ||
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On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote: This should not have worked, but people are terrible. I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off. Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed: 1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game. 2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough. 3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue. 4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers. 5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch. | ||
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On April 11 2010 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I think the distraction provided by XeliN / Nikon really helped him get away with it. edit: i'm also surprised at the number of nukes the mafia had Not really. That was stupid in its own right, but the last day alone was absolutely ridiculous. The entire mafia team was caught and townies basically went: " Ok lol, we won't kill any of you :3 :3 :3 " | ||
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On April 11 2010 08:45 citi.zen wrote: He actually made many sloppy mistakes but had great support and a most gullible town. Jeejee tottered that plausible deniability line much much better I thought. Until his defense of caller, Jeejee was 100% the hardest mafia to catch. Well played on his part. | ||
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On April 11 2010 12:25 JeeJee wrote: stfu no it was only 2 bottles also after this game i have no idea how to do post analysis for mafia anymore at least for the first 2 days i was just posting whatever pro-town shit i would post normally just a bit more active cos i had a role. it doesnt really affect mafia unless a mafia's a target of popular opinion which given the odds they probably aren't. so i have no friggin' clue how people like mbh are so damn good at it. He gets leaked lists of all the roles, for starters. | ||
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So was there foul play or not? Yes, there was. | ||
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On April 12 2010 14:09 Qatol wrote: How do you know? You weren't even in that game. You missed mafia 3 - mafia 5. Because I talk fairly regularly with a sizable portion of our player pool and asked around after that game ended because something clearly happened? Specifics? Not going to dredge up shit against players who haven't played in months for a game that happened a looooooooooooong time ago. The simple version was someone had a bad day and lists were leaked. | ||
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