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On April 10 2010 00:03 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 23:40 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, we have iirc 5.5hr til i have to nuke? roughly. 10min less or so
actually lmnop does bring up an interesting point that not all masons need be townie aligned. i haven't considered this possibility at all based on behavior but will still see for completeness' sake how it affects the math, if at all (although tbh i don't think it will) That's it? No opinion? No response to haster's post? Nothing?! Abenson has a mind of his own. Hence mine and his different votes. He followed my against JohnnySpazz, but every point he made was his own. Completely and totally. Are you honestly suggesting I am the mafia in the group or Abenson is? Let me remind you, I was about to die. I breadcrumbed HIS name. So if there is a mafia between me and him, it is HIM. But I don't feel that is the case.
You were about to die?
On March 25 2010 03:36 Ace wrote:
With 22 alive, it is 12 to lynch.
L(7)
tree.hugger
Versatile
Abenson
Fishball
RebirthofLegend
~Opz~
d3_crescentia
~Opz~(4)
Xelin
Nikon
Elemenope
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Abenson(7)
Iaaan
Zona
haster27
johnnyspazz
JeeJee
meeple
Amber[LighT]
Bill Murray(2)
Caller
nemY
Amount of Nukes Fired: 0
Radiation levels - very low
Day ends at 12 AM ET at the current time
Yeah. You were in great fucking danger of dying. Abenson and L were the only ones in danger of dying.
Consider:
A) You are mafia aligned Mason
B) Abenson is townie aligned Mason
When Abenson is a likely candidate for a lynch, you breadcrumb his name into a post and state that he is a mason along with you later in the day. This way, if Abenson gets lynched, oops, he pops townie Mason, people think you’re town. If he doesn’t get lynched, then you both ride on the fact that you’re Masons, and you can tell which way Abenson should vote in a decisive situation such as this, and the town will believe your claims to be valid thinking that you’re both townie aligned Masons as posited on day 1.
He saved Zona. I didn't urge this. I suggested to him Zona might be DT and he agreed. He even messaged it to Ace early, and said he tried to "un-antinuke" at one point because he wanted to save it. I just told him, Zona and Haster27 were the first to defend us when we claimed Mason. I figured we owed Zona one for this, but I didn't say that to him. I'm glad he did anti-nuke it though. And we both were betting he was the cop. Oops, he was Vigi...Guess we were wrong there...
So then why was neither Zona nor nemy saved again?
We also haven't been very far from each others opinions. We just haven't voted for the same targets. I'm against bandwagoning for the most part. So. Basically. If one of us is an EVIL MASON, it is him. But I don't feel that is the case. I feel we only were granted a tracker. No DT.
Um, do you not understand the power of a Mason? They have one less person to convince in order to get a majority lynch on someone. This is a huge advantage. The fact that you two aren’t even taking advantage of this until the very last game-deciding vote is quite suspicious. And no DT? Have you been paying attention to the game at all?
No Bus Driver has stepped forward. So please. Please gosh jolly green fucking giant, PLEASE explain how Caller makes sense?
Why don’t we just have the nuke stealer step forward. Oh wait. Then JeeJee and Abenson were lying obviously.
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On April 10 2010 00:22 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 23:56 Elemenope wrote:On April 09 2010 23:29 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Maybe I should be more specific
Go read when L was being nuked repetitively. I championed saving him. BM saved him. I couldn't save him at the time because Abenson was the one granted with the Anti-nuke at the time. Abenson saved Zona.
Your out of order right there LMNOP. I breadcrumbed Abenson when I was the one being lynched, AT YOUR URGING. Lol. It's funny...Let's see what JeeJee says about the math though. Someone here is mafia.
I guess for me to be mafia, Citizen Haster Me and Abenson need to be mafia. And that be it with the mafia.... I like that. There's your addition that will work if you wanna use it. I think it's funny. Incorrect. If you were mafia; then citizen, you, and any two of iaaan/citizen/jeejee/haster are mafia. You being mafia has no bearing on Abenson being mafia at all. BM saved L, BECAUSE ABENSON WAS NOT ON TO LAUNCH THE ANTI-NUKE.
I posted that REPEATEDLY in the thread, and even said "I was not the one given antinukes" to Versatile. Quit ignoring all my other posts that I've made to build your argument. I stated I had anti-nukes because...well I dunno about you, but I don't feel like getting fucking nuked. Caller claimed to not have anti-nukes to save his. Lolz? Argument only works for him?
Nikon claimed to have taken a hit. There was one night kill. Iaaan claimed vet too, but didn't claim to have been hit. Nikon reflected a nuke. Iaaan said vet had day time protection. So NATURALLY, putting two and two together, the average SK is a combination of a vet and a vigi, WITH their own win condition. Don't need to be mafia to figure that much out. Lol. You don't need to be mafia to see that. HOW CAN YOU KNOW NIKON ACTUALLY TOOK A HIT UNLESS YOU AS MAFIA KNOW YOU HIT HIM? The only way you could know Nikon was third party instead of mafia is if you were mafia. Nikon could've thrown a hit on Versatile as well as mafia, or Nikon could've elected to not use his hit as strange as that may be. It's not natural at all to assume SK is a combination of vet and vigi. Are you daft? Uhm.... I'm arguing you are mafia. You could of ARGUED for everyone to pull their votes off and think before lynching citizen. But you didn't post for those five hours, NOR did you do ANYTHING before you disappeared. We needed a strong argument TO STOP THE DAY FROM ENDING. And citizen had to go and fuck EVERYTHING up by voting for himself.
LMNOP before citizens death, because he doesn't seem to have a position at all in these posts....right? I had already said that Caller's position makes more sense than citizen's position. Nobody is arguing that. Your claim that I was content in citizen dying is that since I was on at the time that the nuke was going to land, and did absolutely nothing, then obviously, I'm fine with him dying. That's an illogical conclusion for numerous reason.For one: I'm of the opinion that claiming he can only launch retaliatory nukes, claiming PGO, then saying that he doesn't have any night-retaliatory action is a lie. There's no sense in that at all. Secondly, after I do my first post where I say "since a nuke is in the air and we have a bit of time", right after, you even quote me, and say that you'll launch a nuke to extend the day even further. Given your track record for the previous day, am I suddenly supposed to deny your claim? Thirdly: my last post was at 0:51, 5 complete hours before the nuke hits. And I come back one hour after the nuke hits. Yet this obviously means that I am content with citizen dying. You have not given a logical response to this other than your belief, which may I remind you: citizen says we're not supposed to rely on, that I was on from 11:25 on April 08 to 05:58 of April 09, almost 24 hours for a shitty mafia game. Are you serious? If you're going to bring in time into this to try to out me, then you're going to have to bring in the whole timeslot rather than just a specific section that makes you look better. 1)If Abenson isn't mafia, I'm not mafia?
2)Who have you championed saving specifically?
3)Lol. If you didn't have any anti-nukes would you say that unless you were being nuked and trying to get a townie to waste theirs like Caller did? Lol.
Oh, and I'm assuming D3 is mafia for Saving you LMNOP.
1) Not correct. 2) L for one, considering at the start of the day, a lot of people were interested in lynching him because of his effect on past games when I said that his past games should have no bearing on the outcome of this, so it's a faulty reason for lynch. I specifically say I do think that L's pro-town and these nukes toward him are out of spite rather than for scum tells; I'd like to see L saved When Nikon and Xelin launch nukes at Zona, I say that this was a bullshit move. So I come back, and I see that Nikon nukes Zona. What the fuck? All I see for the reasoning behind this is one little disagreement, which isn’t a disagreement at all as they’re two separate things. Oh just refreshed the page and I see that Nikon says the nuke is fake.
First off, what the fuck? There were many people obviously against the nuke and on top of that, there’s quite a decent time frame for an antinuke to get fired. So potentially, you just wasted an anti-nuke. How can you even assume that the nuke *hasn’t* been shot down already? Nuke on Zona initiated by Xelin
Going to say that this is retarded as hell Oh look, two people who you seem to value so highly. 3. If you had anti-nukes for town use, wouldn't you save nemy or Zona the second time he had a nuke launched at him? Lol. Check Caller's games. Secret Nazi had extra night lives. http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Serial_killerShow nested quote +Serial Killer is generally considered to be one of the hardest roles to win with. To compensate for this, some mods have been known to give Serial Killers extra abilities, such as making them immune to either some or all night kills, or having them show up as innocent to Cop investigation. Stop arguing about SK. I've done argued the point mafia could of hit versatile also (when Nikon was still alive, just after the night ended), BUT versatile seemed pretty fucking scummy to everyone. You included. I think Nikon was trying to help us then. I'm arguing, out of all the posts you made, you never told anyone NOT to vote for citizen. And to use the remaining time to think instead. No. Instead you FURTHERED THE BANDWAGON AGAINST CITIZEN. Are YOU daft?
So if we’re taking information from other games about roles, then why aren’t you saying that a claimed PGO who says he can’t kill people at night is a lie? This has been the whole central point: we have a PGO claim by a person who by his own admission, CANNOT PERFORM THE BASICS OF A PGO. If you’re going to take information out of other games in relation to roles to make your claims about others more reasonable, then you have to do the same with all other claims, including those of the PGO.
Show nested quote +On April 09 2010 23:57 Elemenope wrote:On April 09 2010 23:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:
My nuke on Iaaan is fake btw.
But Haster seems to have noticed what I did perfectly. Abenson could very well have done without saying I told him to nuke when the day began, but there you go. He said that, preventing the lynch of citizen.
No. I didn't antinuke to stop citizen from getting lynched. Abenson nuked to PREVENT citizen from getting lynched. This is faulty right here for one good reason: No town member would throw a vote out in a lylo situation if they weren't completely sure of who they were voting for. Then Iaaan and JeeJee are mafia. Correct? They through their votes out in the lylo situation. Did you ignore my statement that I had no anti-nukes? Oh. maybe you actually believed me in the last 20 or so pages when I said I had some. Lol. I acted like I did. Maybe I explicitly claimed them. But everyone seems to be ignoring Haster's post. No comment from anyone? I would of saved L if I could. I PM'd ACE ASKING if I could control Abensons anti-nukes. I PM'd Chezinu to try and get him to take over Abenson's role. (Abenson was gone for something, asked to be replaced, I couldn't save L myself, because I have no Anti-nukes) There. Now you can have a draw LMNOP. Since you had to know that. I have no anti-nukes. Not a single one.
You misinterpret what I’m saying. I’m saying there was no need for a nuke at the start because if there were no nukes, a town member wouldn’t throw a lynch vote out. The way for a town member to prevent a lynch in a lylo situation isn’t to throw out a fake nuke. It’s to not vote right away until the facts are apparent. Now, it just seems you asked Abenson to nuke you, so you can “lay out this epic trap”, when it just seems you wanted to see how many people would’ve voted to lynch your mafia partner, and in turn, when you see that he is in fact danger of dying, try to flip it around and get someone else lynched.
As for you saying you have no more anti-nukes: I don’t find this true at all. If we’re going to point out people for their lies, then this also applies to you. Claiming you have anti-nukes, then when called out on why you wouldn’t save two people who almost by everybody’s admission are townies, you switch and say “nope lol I simply acted as such” when this is a fucking game changing event. This is complete bullshit and I find it very hard to believe you’re townie with this especially.
You lie about the nuke landing early to gauge how people would vote. You lied about having an anti-nuke. When is this supposed townie-aligned mason going to stop lying when lying is detrimental to the town?
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Out of context? Let’s examine all the day one votes until you claimed mason with Abenson:
Amber votes L
Zona Votes Caller
Xelin votes Opz
Meeple votes Opz
Treehugger votes L
Oh, and I just saw something curious reading through:
On March 24 2010 04:50 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 24 2010 02:45 meeple wrote:On March 24 2010 02:39 Versatile wrote:
well then, it's time to decide how many nukes are going to be lobbed then, aye?
there needs to be an established game plan, asap. if there isn't, as soon as the first nuke is launched, there's going to be mass-hysteria and confusion. mafia will take advtange of this. there must be a plan of action that can be carried out right away if/when this happens, and people need to know the consequences for their actions.
otherwise, this is what's going to happen:
person A: ##nuke your mafia ass, person B.
person B: oh hell nah, ##nuke your ass back, person A.
mafia 1: wth, person A and person B, what y'all doing? ##nuke both your hoe asses.
this needs to be decided and set in stone RIGHT AWAY. if a nuke is launched before it is, give up all hope of town order as far as nuking goes.
@ this point, i haven't see a single reason why someone wouldn't nuke. someone could do it, and say oopsie daisy, kill me if you want. and then you have to convince 12 people to lynch this lone wolf. and who knows how many mafia are even in this game who can screw with that count?
i applaud the efforts of zona and whoever else so far, but we need faster action. I have to disagree.... if someone nukes without any good reason, the town can just anti-nuke it, no harm done, other than wasting the protection. The person who did it will get bitched out for a while and perhaps lynched/nuked. I do feel we need to progress the game though, so I'm calling out Opz from my guts about his post earlier. Convince me otherwise, but for now ##vote Opz You clearly have anti-nukes. =D Anyway, Long story short, read my post directed at Xelin.
Anyway:
Versatile votes L
Caller votes Opz
Abenson votes L
Opz Votes Nemy
Johnnyspazz votes L
Iaaan votes Abenson
Fishball votes L
Johnnyspazz removes vote from L, places it onto Nemy
Zona removes vote from Caller, places it on Phrujabz
Opz removes from Nemy, places it onto Phrujabz *This is where you breadcrumb Abenson into your post*
So at this state: L has 5 votes of needed 12
You have 3 votes of needed 12
Abenson has 1 vote of needed 12
Then Phrujabz is about to be modkilled, so
Xelin votes Abenson
Zona votes Abenson
I vote Opz
Nikon votes Opz
Caller removes vote from Opz to Bill Murray
RoL votes L
Infund votes Opz
Haster votes Abenson
Johnnyspazz votes Abenson
JeeJee vote Abenson
Meeple removes vote from Opz to Abenson
D3 votes L
Amber votes Abenson
Opz removes vote from Phrujabz onto L
Nemy votes Bill Murray
Which is where we stand at the quote.
So at the time of you breadcrumbing Abenson into your post, you were a full 2 votes below L and a full 9 votes below the needed 12. You cannot claim that you breadcrumbed Abenson into your post because “you were in danger of dying” You didn’t even hit 6 votes ever, 5 was the maximum amount of votes you had on you the whole day 1. How can anybody who has less than half the votes of the town think they’re in danger of dying, especially when that person was active? L was always in a greater danger of dying than anybody else until Phrujabz was to be modkilled, and then we had cited that Abenson couldn’t get away with inactivity. This right here should’ve clued you in thinking that you were completely safe from any type of lynch. Who would think of themselves to be a viable lynch target with less than half the townie votes, unless you’re dumb or RoL, neither mutually exclusive.
On April 10 2010 00:40 ~OpZ~ wrote:
JeeJee. I'm tired, I gotta work. I've explained my trap. If you don't see it I don't know what to think. Could I possibly convince you to vote for LMNOP then? One of us posting right now is atleast mafia. Be it Haster, LMNOP, Citizen, or You.
I personally am going with Me, You, Haster, Citizen, and Abenson being town.
Or is it Me You Abenson D3 Caller? Neither way leaves room for LMNOP, and both ways have 5 "Confirmed" townies. LMNOP is mafia by the numbers according to Callers alignment check of D3, BY THE LOGIC YOU WANT TO GO BY.
Let us Lynch LMNOP. If Haster and Citizen are right, Then LMNOP is mafia. If Caller is right, LMNOP is mafia. THERE IS NO WAY GIVEN THE NUMBERS (IF you aren't Mafia) FOR LMNOP TO BE TOWN. (Unless there are really only 3 fucking mafia, or no mafia, but if there is no mafia, we might as well lynch LMNOP anyway.)
Do you also keep ignoring my calls for your role claim on purpose?
-_-
[b]OR[/b which you seem to casually exclude.
Mafia are You, Citizen, and one or two of JeeJee/Haster/Iaaan are mafia which means that Caller, Abenson, d3, myself, and the other 2 or 1 of JeeJee/Haster/Iaaan are town.
You claim that you are townie-aligned, which means that there is no way for me to be innocent whether Caller is lying or Caller is telling the truth. But as a townie-aligned person, you are also lying on the last day which is especially scummy, so I don’t fully trust you to be townie-aligned at all which throws this argument out the window.
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On April 10 2010 10:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote:On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote:On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote:
Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie...
Yet I, confirmed mafia, who has not launched any nuke at all yet so I'm sure to have one, has surely conspired with my fellow mafia to all launch nukes at a single townie.
Obviously.
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With no anti-nukes used on nemy nor Zona the second time, do you honestly think town has anti-nukes left? And if I felt that we were going to lose right here, why would I care about ToD if town can also lose with me?
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EBWOP: meant to quote haster's last post.
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On April 10 2010 10:08 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 10:05 JeeJee wrote:On April 10 2010 10:01 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 10 2010 09:53 JeeJee wrote:On April 10 2010 09:48 haster27 wrote:On April 10 2010 09:44 ~OpZ~ wrote:On April 10 2010 09:17 haster27 wrote:
Warning: Citizen, I know you are frustrated, but seeing as now you can launch retaliation nuke against JeeJee, I will have to warn you as precaution. If you launch another nuke toward JeeJee I will be forced to abandon my defense of you completely. Also please confirm that the nuke you just robbed was fake because possibility of you lying about your ability still somewhat exists. JeeJee no has bold. Can not be real nuke. Do not, I repeat do NOT hit him Citizen. GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU GUYS. The fact that he has launched fake nukes before, and toward ~OpZ~ today is another proof that nuke JeeJee launched is obviously fake. pop quiz: when did i ever launch a fake nuke? no...you haven't launched one. I mean, truth, all mafia has to do is launch nukes at one townie...I guess I'll have to find a way to force a draw. I will launch another nuke right before I get hit. If I die and pop mason, haster, launch a nuke at citizen, and I Implore all other townies, if I die, nuke citizen, EVEN IF YOU DON'T HAVE NUKES. Citizen, retaliate one EVERYTHING, again, if I die. so you're telling me you think i might have real nukes? but i thought it was confirmed that my nukes were stolen. how else would i know about colombia? hell, how can i possibly know what hints ace leaves in his PMs, even if i was colombia? (i'm not btw) bada-bing, way to make sense. i'm done with you, you are definitely LVP. a fucking confirmed mason alive after so many nights? welcome to frown-town Yes, I know your nukes are fake, and you are probably trying to muck up the debate by trying to get citizen to launch nukes. It will not work. However, it is important to set up contingency plans for all possibilites, right? That is pro-town.
How can he get citizen to launch nukes?
citizen already launched a nuke
JeeJee retaliated to it. Citizen can't launch more nukes at him. What are you on?
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First off:
On April 10 2010 10:09 flamewheel91 wrote:
By the way guys, in case you didn't know JeeJee's nuke didn't go through... Ace said so through PMs.
what?
Second off:
On April 10 2010 10:10 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 10:06 Elemenope wrote:
With no anti-nukes used on nemy nor Zona the second time, do you honestly think town has anti-nukes left? And if I felt that we were going to lose right here, why would I care about ToD if town can also lose with me? Well, okay, I am putting a bit of faith on ~OpZ~ here, because I do believe he is Mason. Also, seriously? Mafia can win the game after lynching one Townie since town is in permanent lylo, and they can launch nuke anytime if they are in fail position upcoming days. Are you seriously suggesting Mafia will throw away the win they almost obtained?
What win? Opz has all the mafia by their balls apparently. We have no chance to win now according to Opz. Which means that I should be telling my mafia buddies to go out and throw all these nukes out to get ToD and end the game. In fact, regardless if Opz has all the other mafia pinned, at the very least Caller and I should be throwing out nukes onto other townies, since we're outed as confirmed mafia, after all, if we were to die, why not take a townie with us?
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On April 10 2010 10:18 haster27 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 10:15 Elemenope wrote:On April 10 2010 10:10 haster27 wrote:On April 10 2010 10:06 Elemenope wrote:
With no anti-nukes used on nemy nor Zona the second time, do you honestly think town has anti-nukes left? And if I felt that we were going to lose right here, why would I care about ToD if town can also lose with me? Well, okay, I am putting a bit of faith on ~OpZ~ here, because I do believe he is Mason. Also, seriously? Mafia can win the game after lynching one Townie since town is in permanent lylo, and they can launch nuke anytime if they are in fail position upcoming days. Are you seriously suggesting Mafia will throw away the win they almost obtained? What win? Opz has all the mafia by their balls apparently. We have no chance to win now according to Opz. Which means that I should be telling my mafia buddies to go out and throw all these nukes out to get ToD and end the game. In fact, regardless if Opz has all the other mafia pinned, at the very least Caller and I should be throwing out nukes onto other townies, since we're outed as confirmed mafia, after all, if we were to die, why not take a townie with us? To the contrary, when the ~OpZ~ had citizen side by the balls, why didn't Mafia follow same nuke ditch strategy either? Your argument is ineffective.
I don't know why mafia didn't follow the same strategy. Why don't you go ask them?
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On April 10 2010 10:32 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2010 10:25 Elemenope wrote:On April 10 2010 10:18 haster27 wrote:On April 10 2010 10:15 Elemenope wrote:On April 10 2010 10:10 haster27 wrote:On April 10 2010 10:06 Elemenope wrote:
With no anti-nukes used on nemy nor Zona the second time, do you honestly think town has anti-nukes left? And if I felt that we were going to lose right here, why would I care about ToD if town can also lose with me? Well, okay, I am putting a bit of faith on ~OpZ~ here, because I do believe he is Mason. Also, seriously? Mafia can win the game after lynching one Townie since town is in permanent lylo, and they can launch nuke anytime if they are in fail position upcoming days. Are you seriously suggesting Mafia will throw away the win they almost obtained? What win? Opz has all the mafia by their balls apparently. We have no chance to win now according to Opz. Which means that I should be telling my mafia buddies to go out and throw all these nukes out to get ToD and end the game. In fact, regardless if Opz has all the other mafia pinned, at the very least Caller and I should be throwing out nukes onto other townies, since we're outed as confirmed mafia, after all, if we were to die, why not take a townie with us? To the contrary, when the ~OpZ~ had citizen side by the balls, why didn't Mafia follow same nuke ditch strategy either? Your argument is ineffective. I don't know why mafia didn't follow the same strategy. Why don't you go ask them? Excellent. So then My nuke did not go through either, right? So let's do this the right way JeeJee - launch you nuke now. You go first, i retaliate. Let's go.
Do you not read? Holy shit.
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On April 11 2010 02:57 Zona wrote:
The town could have fired a nuke and drawn the game...why did you close it so early?
Because win condition states when we reach majority at *any* time during the day, we win.
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On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote:
I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off.
Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed:
1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game.
2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough.
3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue.
4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers.
5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch.
In Caller's defense, shinbichan and caller wanted to just leave it at the paranoid/insane DT. I told Caller to use the bus driver too.
+ Show Spoiler [AIM Conversation we had about this] +(8:47:32 PM) Shinbichan: whats ur plan that we dont want to do?
(8:47:34 PM) Caller: ohi
(8:47:34 PM) Shinbichan: claim bus driver?
(8:47:35 PM) Shinbichan: lol
(8:47:36 PM) Elemenope: yeah
(8:47:40 PM) Shinbichan: i have no idea how trackers work with drivers
(8:47:41 PM) Elemenope: claim he got bussed
(8:47:44 PM) Shinbichan: ace, wanna hlep us out?
(8:47:46 PM) Caller: i like bus driver
(8:47:47 PM) Ace: no
(8:47:47 PM) Elemenope: who cares
(8:47:47 PM) Shinbichan: how would it work
(8:47:48 PM) Ace: lol
(8:47:48 PM) Elemenope: LISTEN
(8:47:50 PM) Elemenope: LISTEN
(8:47:53 PM) Elemenope: IT DOESN'T MATTER HOW IT WOULD WORK
(8:47:56 PM) Ace: figure this one out on your own
(8:47:57 PM) Elemenope: WE'RE MAKING SHIT UP
and later on, my reasoning for introducing the bus driver
(8:49:34 PM) Shinbichan: what's the point?
(8:49:35 PM) Elemenope: TO CONFUSE THE TOWN
(8:49:37 PM) Elemenope: WHO GIVES A FUCK
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On April 11 2010 03:17 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
If we were to play a similar ruleset, something would have to be done about the day extension as it is too easily abused imo.
This.
We talked to Ace about it because the first day, my interest in the game just went down hill at the end, and then the extensions during the previous day or two was also annoying as well.
Basically for our action list:
RoL launched nuke on Caller, we saved Caller like a few hours before it hit; I know it was before L nuked himself.
Xelin launches nuke on me, d3 anti's it in similar fashion.
So we're down 2 antis, and we're like "fuck, oh well, we can always go back to our pre-game plan of just nuking everybody", then we don't get nuked ever again.
We hit meeple as he was posting just enough to seem active, and with some good points, but trying to also hide it seemed. So we figured he had a blue role. Luckily he was DT.
D3's prot went on me.
We elected to not use roleblock so that Shinbichan can claim he was roleblocked.
Shinbichan also had nukes stolen from him at this time and was raging that he no longer had a nuke I believe. I forget if he started with a nuke or not.
Day 2 comes around: Fishball comes out with his claim. Caller is asking just to nuke fishball on aim. Then we have the DT claim, with caller claiming to check meeple. But that wasn't enough. I wanted the bus driver to go through too in an effort to confuse the town. Hoping that town would think "This claim is so ridiculous that nobody would fake this." So then that happened. Then more nukes from townies to other townies.
We hit Versatile that night because she said that she had nukes for days. Which we didn't particularly like. We thought she was the nuke stealer at first or the SK. Then we saw that she was Russia and said "oh".
Prot went on me again.
Roleblock went on Fishball. This was because we thought Versatile was more of a threat since we could just roleblock a blue. This was also, in my mind, a test to see if he was PGO and trying to draw a hit. Since L, the medic, was dead along with meeple, the DT, and since shinbichan had no nukes, I figured why not see. I don't think I told my fellow dota fgts this though.
Day 3: We decide that we want to kill Fishball since we can't RB the same person twice in a row. I believe this was the day that Nikon and Iaaan claim veteran also, and we knew at that point that Nikon was the SK, hence none of us shooting a nuke at him when he was begging for it. Thanks to Nemy for stepping up and getting killed.
We killed Fishball, protect Caller [since SK had to start killing mafia to win, and Caller was the most obvious choice], and roleblocked Haster since we figured he was the nuke stealer because most of the countries were big time countries while Portugal seemed out of place. Along with the fact that he was also a townie with no other ability; we thought that iaaan was telling the truth, Opz and Abenson are obviously masons, and since fishball was dying, who cares. Didn't want to hit infund/citizen due to PGO possibility that he would neglect to mention to draw a hit.
Day 4: The epitome of nonsense in my opinion. I really don't know where to begin with this day.
Night actions were kill Opz, roleblock nobody again [since we didn't really have a good choice], and save Caller again. Little did we know: Shinbichan, the one went to such great lengths to try to get a flawless victory, died to haster.
Day 5: We just launch nukes obviously. Who cares at this point?
Overall: Mafia MVP=Town definitely. I have no idea why you guys would shoot nukes at each other because "I have a feeling."
What's more amazing is the fact that RoL would launch a nuke at Caller, then when caller gets saved and RoL gets lynched, he nukes johnny. Equally amazing is the fact that Xelin launches a nuke at me because he's sure I'm mafia, then when he launches his second nuke, he does it towards Zona because of stuff unrelated to the game really. Also, the ability of the town to get sidetracked so easily by nonsense is quite good.
Oh, and initially: our pregame plan was just to get L killed. We're glad town did that for us without our help.
Edit 2: This is how we felt about the town, summed up:
+ Show Spoiler [Another conversation] +(9:16:03 PM) Caller: what kind of an idiot will believe me
(9:16:03 PM) Shinbichan: i will make sure xelin dies
(9:16:08 PM) Shinbichan: HAVE U SEEN THSI TOWN ?
(9:16:11 PM) Shinbichan: DO YOU HAVE TO ASK THAT QUESTION?
Edit 3: And Ace's feelings about the bus driver claim:
+ Show Spoiler +(10:13:59 PM) Ace: lol
(10:14:05 PM) Ace: this is definitely
(10:14:13 PM) Caller: BALLS OUT
(10:14:14 PM) Ace: going down as one of the most epic mafia moments I've ever seen
(10:14:16 PM) Ace: a guy survives
(10:14:18 PM) Ace: a nuke
(10:14:22 PM) Ace: almsot a lynch
(10:14:25 PM) Ace: massive accusations
(10:14:33 PM) Ace: busts out a bus driver fucked me over insane cop role claim
(10:14:37 PM) Ace: and everyone nods their heads
(10:14:40 PM) Ace: this is bs lol
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On April 11 2010 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2010 05:05 L wrote:On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote:
I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off.
Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed:
1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game.
2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough.
3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue.
4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers.
5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch.
This should not have worked, but people are terrible. I think the distraction provided by XeliN / Nikon really helped him get away with it. edit: i'm also surprised at the number of nukes the mafia had
A lot of people helped out a lot and it was mainly due to the discussion of the 'What do we do with people who launch nukes?'
I hope in the future, people realize that when town makes an idea such as "we auto-lynch unsupported nukes", that some people are going to vote for that; especially when it's in mafia's favor. Look at the lynches: RoL, Xelin, Nikon, [no lynch]; RoL was Day 1 lynch so that can possibly be excused, but then he launched a nuke which sent him to 15 votes IIRC. Xelin - the nuke on me and the nuke on Zona especially. Nikon - asked for a nuke to hit him and then reflected it back. Tree.hugger, BM, and nemy are also victims of this, though nemy's a bit of an exception. If all town aligned people followed the plan of no unsupported nukes from the very start, a lot of this would've been avoided and Caller was going to be a sure lynch on Day 2 most likely. Especially with Fishball tracking him. These random nukes by town only helped us in giving a higher priority lynch target and you guys simply did our work for us pretty much.
The point of town isn't to figure out who mafia is on your own and then act on it, saying "I've got a feeling." If you think someone is mafia, come up with arguments to show so, because if you just act on your own and people who you *think* is mafia, you're going to look scummy and get via lynch or someone else who decides to take action. ToD was plenty enough to just use nukes as a day vigi hit, even with retaliation from scum members.
Basically, shooting nukes without town permission basically meant free lynch. I'm sure a lot of people would've said that we should nuke Caller on Day 2 if all this stuff on Day 1 didn't happen, especially if Fishball came out with that tracker post.
Edit:
On April 11 2010 06:08 Zona wrote:
Remember the mafia had only one kill per night. Nukes in their hands were one of the ways to counterbalance their lack of killing power. The game did end the way I predicted - once a portion of the town members died and the few anti-nukes exhausted, the mafia nukes would decide the game. The town had even fewer anti-nukes than I thought, though.
Forgot to say so earlier: Thanks to Ace for hosting the game, and flamewheel91 for wrapping up the end.
Luckily all the game's anti-nukes were used up Day 1 ^^
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On April 11 2010 06:27 L wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2010 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On April 11 2010 05:05 L wrote:On April 11 2010 03:08 Ver wrote:
I loved Caller's strategy. Hosting his games must've paid off.
Caller's Recipe for Success. What to do if you get caught red-handed:
1) Post immediately out of nowhere after being accused despite having lurked the entire game.
2) Make up a bunch of random and far-fetched claims to mislead them. A cop here, random nation there, weird sanity here, convenient dead person check there...hmm that's not good enough.
3) Add even more bizarre claims to confuse them so much they just ignore you. What's missing? Invent a role! How about a Bus driver switch? Follow it up by sidetracking everyone into debates about how this role that doesn't exist works so they forget about the real issue.
4) When people finally stop getting sidetracked and come back to accusing you, spice it up more! Reveal you are actually an even more suspicious country, supply some random filler, and 'rolecheck' your accusers.
5) Now sidetrack everything onto a long debate about how the accuser's role works according to other rules to make everyone confused and waste time. Accuse said person that they don't understand their role. Mayhem ensues and town misses the lynch.
This should not have worked, but people are terrible. I think the distraction provided by XeliN / Nikon really helped him get away with it. edit: i'm also surprised at the number of nukes the mafia had Not really. That was stupid in its own right, but the last day alone was absolutely ridiculous. The entire mafia team was caught and townies basically went: " Ok lol, we won't kill any of you :3 :3 :3 "
Best part about the last day was the fact that Shinbichan launched a nuke after the deadline and pretended his internet was blowing balls. And all the stuff that happened afterwards for about the next two pages.
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On April 11 2010 07:40 johnnyspazz wrote:
should've saved me for the nukes and antinukes
More like RoL should've launched his revenge nuke at Caller. I seriously have to question this move.
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On April 11 2010 08:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2010 07:43 Elemenope wrote:On April 11 2010 07:40 johnnyspazz wrote:
should've saved me for the nukes and antinukes More like RoL should've launched his revenge nuke at Caller. I seriously have to question this move. He wasn't allowed to launch it at caller actually. From what RoL told me about the vengence nuke was you could only nuke someone who voted for you, and apparently caller didn't vote for him.
Ah, well. I suppose Caller being Caller wins out yet again?
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