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If he said Yes, then he didn't change rules at all if you phrased it as you said in your post at the bottom of page 54.
I'm glad the missile towards me was shot down, but what the fuck at these other missiles. Admittedly, both of these are rather expected given the L was saved situation.
I do think that L's pro-town and these nukes toward him are out of spite rather than for scum tells; I'd like to see L saved, but that's really up to the town and if they feel we need to save antis or not.
Keep this in mind: NK may shoot another nuke tomorrow; he has anonymous nuking powers and has been shown to be clearly antitown since nobody has come up to state "hey, I'm NK, this is why I shot at Elemenope".
As for the Amber-d3 inactivity: there's a lot of people who I haven't seen actually post real content about these last missiles, namely:
d3 - posted just a few lines
xelin - posted explaining his reasoning behind his day one pre-lynch actions
Amber - hasn't posted nearly anything about these nukes
Caller - hasn't posted anything at all I believe since RoL's missile was shot down
Zona - This is a big surprise in my opinion. He hasn't posted at all since March 27 2010 05:57. 3 missiles has been shot since then, where are you Zona?
Fishball - Posted somewhat early on, but recent posts have been lacking in terms of content other than showing how L is hypocritical/a douche/whatever
Nikon - Last main post was during the 'should Japan come out and claim'
nemY - Hasn't posted anything worth of content since his vote to lynch RoL.
We have had what, 6 missiles shot by now? It shouldn't be that difficult to have something to talk about. Even if it's a "hey, I don't agree with this missile getting shot down" or whatever or "OMG THERE'S AN NK WITH ANONYMOUS NUKES".
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On March 28 2010 05:42 Amber[LighT] wrote:
I have nothing to say about the recent nuke-happy players. As I quoted from the bottom of Page 53 I asked a sarcastic question. What more can I ask since the town as completely abandoned playing this game with any structure.
How about what you think we should do with these nukes in the air?
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On March 28 2010 10:23 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2010 10:21 haster27 wrote:On March 28 2010 10:09 L wrote:
Good fucking lord, chrome and/or TL is fucked right now. Couldn't get on in the last like 3 hours.
##nuke:Caller
Away you go fake missiles. Away you go. Why don't you use FF? I assume those will work b/c I am having absolutely no problem with my Safari (mac). Also I think you can stop breathing down tree.hugger's neck for now- there are too many suspect & crazier non-concensus nukers present to bother about him right now. Nah, you should still be nuked immediately, as should Versatile and Xelin. The fact that town is going to let a backlog of people build up essentially means every subsequent nuke is more likely to hit as anti-nukes get scarce, and lynches are farther and farther off. This is pretty much what I said would happen in my first post, but no one bothered to listen.
I assume by 'you', you mean tree.hugger/he, unless there's something I missed.
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To OpZ and Xelin; yes I proposed lynching Abenson for confirmation; Versatile pointed out about how this more applies to DT-red claims rather than Masons, and once Abenson confirmed, I am sold that you two are Masons. Yeah, it may seem like a ballsy move for scum to RC as Masons out in the open like that, but considering the last game I played was like...the first Red Army game which was one of the two games I played, I don't particularly know people's playstyles that well, so I don't attempt to put moves like these past others, especially when if the move works, it would put the town at a huge disadvantage.
To Xelin, the jump to accusing you for launching the nuke was simply based off your vote for me considering nobody else had voted for me IIRC. Coupled with the fact that this nuke was out of the blue makes it easier. I just attempted to find other things to support this claim, and I would've been left wondering until countries were revealed/your death, but you RCed anyway, even after stating that you wouldn't hide your nuke. As for your claim that 'do you really think this ability [the one to fire an anonymous nuke during the day with no retaliation or trace] would go to mafia', it's quite the anti-town move when used. Especially when tagged along that you didn't explain your nuke until after it was shot down. We had stated that any unsupported town nukes are clearly anti-town, and you had even come up with a plan to lynch these nukers, yet you go off and shoot one your own, anonymously so that nobody could track who shot it, and then you attempt to say that this ability is a pro-town ability going from pure logic on the two points of the ability is too weak for scum and Ace wouldn't give this ability to scum?
Then I read some more and then I see a nuke by OpZ towards Tree.Hugger.
Whether this nuke gets shot down or not, I agree with Versatile and Zona that we should wait out the day and night. As Zona said, randomly shot nukes are more likely to hit town than mafia due to the number advantage town has and the fact that day 1 suspicions are just that: suspicions. We have nothing to go off other than intuition.
As for haster, although this would be a resolution to the the nuke launchers, one thing you have to keep in mind is this: our ToD has increased by one stage when the second nuke landed. If we go by stages, such as Very Low [the start], Low [where we are at now], it is reasonable to assume that perhaps the next is medium, then high, very high, game over, or something similar. Now, Ace may have varying number of nukes for each of these, but the fact that two nukes have landed and we go into low is kind of unsettling. Along with the fact that if the nuke from OpZ falls and then someone nukes Xelin, we have 4 nukes that have landed I believe, then we're in medium already at day 1. So much for keeping a low ToD, eh? Regardless of the retaliation or lack thereof from treehugger, I don't believe nuking Xelin is the right course of action due to ToD. I had thought that Ace would assume we would launch many nukes considering it's TL and not all of us are the best at responding to personal attacks, but unless he has more than just five stages of ToD before game over, then we're in for a very quick game over. We also have to keep in mind that there may be a third party out there with the intention of having this happen as long as he or she lives.
I'm of the opinion that we should just let this resolve how it is now, shoot down the nuke/leave it alone, preferably save it due to this ToD issue which is going to be a major issue at this rate. Go to night. Then come back the next day with much more information than we had the previous day. So basically: no more nukes
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So I come back, and I see that Nikon nukes Zona. What the fuck? All I see for the reasoning behind this is one little disagreement, which isn’t a disagreement at all as they’re two separate things. Zona was asking that more people post so that we have more things to work with and then advocating that nobody nukes so we can have night roles come into play. Two separate things entirely and even the night roles prompt discussion from the town which gives us more to work with.
The only other thing I see for a reasoning is the
omitted various pieces of information in your nice big posts, I'd say that you're red.
Could you perhaps show these omitted pieces?
With the nuke post, we are at moderate already. I hardly see how I didn’t make it clear that our ToD has increased by a stage when we hit 2 nukes. Though seemingly, nobody cares about ToD anymore even though that was what the whole central discussion at the start was about. As for the claim of increasing ToD to very high or whatever so that scum can’t use nukes – no. I feel that this is very unsafe because 1) we’re not sure how many antis we have to stop these nukes in the air. 2) There may also be a third party that launches the nuke in an effort to get a quick win, and 3) then we give up our day-kill options to just lynching.
As for shinbi’s tiered list, the iaaan comments are interesting. Though I don’t necessarily agree with the versatile comments for her to be a tier 1 suspect.
As for the tier 2 suspects: The nukes by Nikon and xelin are quite uncalled for. I don’t see the logic behind them at all other than “I have this small bit of information, so I’m going to nuke to confirm.” As for d3 and fishball, both have been quite lurking/inactive and not contributing. The votes on L are quite suspicious and are something to keep in mind. I’d keep my eye on those two as well. Same deal with Caller, infun, and nemy.
Let me state that inactivity is very bad, and it keeps the town guessing whether the scum are lurking amongst the inactives or amongst the actives. We’ve had this day go on for a long time – there isn’t a point where you could not discuss something. Even some small input is better than no input.
Oh just refreshed the page and I see that Nikon says the nuke is fake.
First off, what the fuck? There were many people obviously against the nuke and on top of that, there’s quite a decent time frame for an antinuke to get fired. So potentially, you just wasted an anti-nuke. How can you even assume that the nuke *hasn’t* been shot down already?
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On March 31 2010 14:05 XeliN wrote:
##Nuke Zona## !!
Seriously?
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##vote: Xelin
No, seriously, what the hell? Is this some elaborate prank that I'm not aware of?
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On April 01 2010 02:09 XeliN wrote:
Also Elemenope had a lot to say at a quite early stage and yet now the only post I have seen him make is a comparatively short "are you kidding Vote Xelin" one. A mafia who has succesfully created the illusion of being both active and pro-town who now feels comfortable lurking in the shadows to respond sparingly?
What am I supposed to do, somehow post while sleeping? The final day, no new information was shown other than Nikon being dumb and wasting an anti nuke. I was around for the night post to be thrown up and saw that you nuked Zona about 5 minutes after and voted you. Not that difficult a leap in logic.
As for the current situation:
The possible third party discussion
Mafia can kill 1 player per night no matter how many of them are alive.
When I first read this, it seemed that Ace is allowing scum to have a max of one night kill, even if there's one or even if there's 2 billion of them. I think if he wanted one kill per player, instead of 'no matter how many of them are alive', he would've said 'per player alive' or some wording to that effect. So if we assume this, then we assume there's a third party unless vigi roles are allowed night one kills. In which case, I'm going to have to scold the vigi for making such an error to kill either one of those two players, especially if he only had a one-shot ability.
Meeple and Amber
Not sure why either was killed quite honestly other than the fact that they were really as active posters as others to my recollection. Do we even have confirmation about who mafia actually hit? Did I misread or skip something before I went to sleep?
Nuke on Zona initiated by Xelin
Going to say that this is retarded as hell. First off, Xelin, your logic is quite faulty. You're saying that this setup is borrowed to a certain extend, and since Zona has already chosen to implement a rb ability in his mafia minigames, he's most likely mafia? You realize there can only be so many variations on a basic mafia game that isn't theme based right? Again stop trying to bring crap that's irrelevant from other games into this one and counter his stances and arguments in this game. Zona has been quite pro-town, and I honestly don't see the justification of this nuke other than 'hey, I have a feeling, and since I can't convince the town using logic, I'm just going to shoot my nuke.'
As for saying your nuke is fake, and to give serious consideration to lynching him - how can we when your nuke accomplished nothing except make you look anti-town. We can't even trust your word, same with Nikon's. It looks so sketchy that both of you are nuking the same person and both of you are claiming the nukes are fake. Especially when the current nuke doesn't even serve any purpose.
Suspect list
Xelin
Nikon
Caller
d3
nemy
People I feel are town/blue
Zona
Versatile
Opz
Abenson
Shinbi
haster
Infundibulum
People I'm not sure about
Fishball - Waiting more for his post after work for more information
Iaaan
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I come back and I see some interesting things.
First off, Iaaan's ability claim is a fairly interesting one. I only have one question to ask though - would you be willing to be nuked by someone to confirm this? If not, why not?
As for fishball's message:
On April 01 2010 10:35 Fishball wrote:
Nikon, for trying to extend the day for the N'th time with his last minute nuke, against town consensus (duh), at an arguably lesser target based on general consensus, Zona.
I still don't see the reasoning behind this nuke quite honestly. For one, it was largely last moment, I think within the last 5 minutes, no? Two: It's directed at, at least in my opinion, a very pro-town player. And three: it ended up using an anti-nuke. True, we can't confirm the legitimacy of your nuke, but we also can't prove this unless we use Iaaan's claim which I'll address later.
Caller, lurking and laying low. Of course this alone wouldn't be enough for him to make the top of my list.
Listen up, I am France, a Tracker. One of my abilities is to track who visited who at Night. I used this ability on Caller during Night
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the most likely scenario is that Caller is red and he killed Meeple.
Going with the assumption that a) Fishball is a tracker who b) can target one person each night and follow that person, it sort of makes sense that Fishball hasn't posted largely during day 1. Caller did seem quite suspicious so I can see why Fishball would track him.
This hinges on the assumption though, that Fishball is indeed a tracker. His story does make sense and gives justifications to his actions back on the eternal Day 1 with him not posting as much. I assume this was to not seem high-priority, though you can correct me if it was done for a different reason.
On April 01 2010 11:18 Caller wrote:
Well, gentlemen and woman, my idea of coming clean has been most rudely interrupted.
I am Israel, an Alignment Cop.
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Since he came out scummy, and he was in fact innocent, that narrows it down to insane or paranoid, i.e. that my checks come out reversed, or all countries appear as mafia to my agents.
I'm not sure where to start with this. I don't know whether to say it's conjured up because fishball tracked him, or if this is the case. What I'm confused about is why Nikon? For both sides actually. Nikon was suspicious, at least in my eyes, for firing the nuke on Zona. So I can slightly understand the DT check, though I think it'd be better served on a few other players. As for the bus, I haven't an idea why Nikon and meeple be switched. The whole thing looks a bit sketchy to me and I'd keep an eye on this personally.
lol@the youtube video
Now, given that Zona's confirmed vigilante, let's look at this post:
On April 01 2010 14:05 Zona wrote:
Alright. Things I want the town to look at in case I die.
Caller's claim is well-crafted, but coincidentally very convenient. First, take note of Foolishness's quote on Ace's general dislike of Bus Driver roles. So that's one point against the claim. But let's assume there is a bus driver, and the bus driver happens to work the way Caller claims. It's too convenient that the bus driver happened to switch Nikon (someone who everyone is suspicious of, and thus a reasonable player to check) and meeple (someone who died). It's convenient that Caller can now claim cop without providing any useful information at all (perhaps he has none). Remember that this is something Caller came up with to otherwise explain the very suspicious track that Fishball claims to have tracked Caller with.
This should be noted and kept in mind. We'll have to look at what Caller posts in terms of information and veracity in order to ascertain his role claim. This also extends to Fishball as well. Since both of these players have roleclaimed, there's no reason for them to withhold any of their night actions once the Day post goes up each time, unless someone can show me otherwise.
I would say it's highly likely that the balance to the fact that the mafia has such low KP is their power to nuke. As well, notice that someone claims to have their nukes stolen. It's very possible that these nukes are now in mafia hands.
I find this particular piece of information to be a bit troublesome. Someone has had their nuclear weapons stolen. It's particularly troublesome if indeed that this ability is within mafia realm. Especially with the fuckup of Day 1, we are already at Moderate, which is assuming that we have reached approximately half of the ToD. With no mafia found yet, I only hope we have enough anti-nukes to fend off any surprise nuke raid or such.
If we guess that the setup includes 3-5 mafia and 1 serial killer, then with 16-18 town members and 3 regular deaths per cycle: one lynch, one mafia kill, one sk kill, (we can afford 3 or 4 days of mislynching before we're boned, if we didn't nuke. However, since we've lost quite a few town members to impulsive nukes, the town might be in a losing situation as quickly as day or night 3.
It probably will be a good idea to mass claim and consensus (not impulsive individually) nuke on day 3 if nothing improves between now and then.
If I'm correct that one of the night kills is from the serial killer, eliminating this serial killer will give the town a substantial amount of breathing room it didn't have before.
This is vital. Guys, the first day really set us back. We are down *several* people due to impulsiveness. 3 people are going to die every day barring medic-prots and no-lynches. With no-lynches, we are still going down 2 people every day. We currently have 13 players alive going into night phase which means we may potentially sit at 11 players coming out. We absolutely need to find scum asap.
To the rest of you town members: Stop lying. Lying hurts the town because the town is trying to work together to figure things out, and lying leads us off track. If the people who are lying so much and diverting the town's attention are actually town, I'm aghast at how you play.
Stop ignoring anti-town actions under the umbrella of "idiot/impulsive" townie.
This. Townies have no reason to lie. The objective of this game isn’t to ‘survive’ or ‘kill all the mafia yourself’, it’s to get rid of all the scum as a whole. The whole reason we are together as a town is because we need to play as a collective town. This impulsive nuke shooting really set us back a lot on day 1, and now on day 2, we’re down another two blues because one of them had a feeling. It is imperative that we work as a town instead of just doing what we feel like individually.
I have a plan that I would like implement tomorrow that does involve roleclaiming after the day post; however, DO NOT ROLE CLAIM TONIGHT. You can roleclaim after the day post goes up, that’s fine. You can wait until after my plan. Whatever. Just whatever you do, do not role claim during this night.
For tomorrow
I would like to see the results of the findings from both Fishball and Caller, explaining why they also chose whoever they chose to track/investigate. With this information, and the role claiming tomorrow, then I hope we can make up for the mishaps during days 1 and 2 and win.
If anybody is in opposition of the roleclaiming on day 3
I’d like to hear reasons why. There may have been something I’ve overlooked and it’s really important we get a good solid plan, so I’m open to criticism, suggestions, or changes to the roleclaiming idea.
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On April 01 2010 19:56 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Why not during the night phase LMNOP?
Fishball is likely to be slain tonight...I really doubt there is another medic in a game with mafia only having 1 KP.
Also, I did think of at least one reason to kill Amber. Possibly attempt at discrediting me seeing as I raged against him. This would be an idiot reason, and would prefer to think that the SK was actually trying to hit a mafia for us.
Thanks Home Slice.
The reason why we don't Role claim during night is to limit scum's chances of hitting a more important role than tracker. I'm still not sure about Caller's claim though I believe fishball's to be true given the circumstances. At the current moment, having role claims would be harmful during the night to give scum opportunities to select more targets. Also keep in mind that an SK is also out there and roleclaims during the night can only help the SK hit good targets as well.
With this in mind, as JeeJee and verse said, if there is a medic, prot Fishball I would say. Caller's still a bit suspicious in my mind, and fishball is much definitely a safer choice.
As for haster, we're going to be down to 12, possibly 11 people tonight, unless we still have a vigi out there which may shoot for possibly 10. The action may seem drastic, but it's very necessary in my opinion. Had the whole endless Day 1 never happened, we probably wouldn't be in the situation. I'd prefer having the investigative roles get more info, but the time to action is here.
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Countess needs to drop vex runes imo
Anyway, I check the thread and see that there have only been a few people posting which is pretty bad considering this day is very important.
I’m a townie with no special abilities from Vietnam.
This is the current state of the game
These players are dead:
1. RebirthofLegend - vengeful townie
2. johnnyspazz - townie
3. L -medic
4. PhrujbazBill Murray – One shot day doc
5. tree.hugger - townie
6. Amber[LighT] -townie
7. Meeple – Ambiguous cop
8. Zona - Vigilante
9. Xelin – Boogie man [?]
10. Versatile – Townie
Now, roles that have been mentioned but nobody has claimed:
Roleblocker
Nuke-stealer
Bus driver
Serial Killer
This isn’t to say the roles are mutually exclusive, but just haven’t been claimed.
Filling in the gaps with players and their claims:
1. d3_crescentia
2. JeeJee
3. ~Opz~ Mason
4. Caller Alignment Cop
5. haster27 Townie
6. Elemenope Townie
7. iNfuNdiBuLuM
8. Fishball Tracker
9. Iaaan Nuke-resistance [Is there anything else that goes along with this or are you a townie otherwise?]
10. Nikon Veteran
11. Abenson Mason
12. Nemy Townie
If I missed either of d3’s, jeejee’s, infundibulum’s roleclaims, please say so; or if I misinterpreted anybody’s, correct me.
The nuke stealing ability
We currently have two victims of such, JeeJee and Abenson I believe. It is my belief that this ability is not town-aligned considering this is the second time this has happened, and nobody has claimed this ability thus far. If the person were truly town-aligned, we could use this person as a ToD-check to scum/third party nuke usage. But given the past two nights and usage of this nuke steal, it’s my opinion that this person is definitely scum or third party. If anybody can show or convince me otherwise, feel free.
The roleblocking ability
Given that Fishball was roleblocked and nobody else has claimed to be blocked yet during night 2, I’m to assume that there’s one of this role out there and this person is also anti-town. If the roleblocker was pro-town, Fishball should not have been blocked.
Bus Driver
I’m not so sure what to say of this role really. Nikon was targeted the first day, but then it was re-directed towards meeple. Nikon was then also targeted the second day, but he had veteran block to cover that. Given the first night, it seems quite anti, but given the second night, it may have been an honest mistake.
Serial Killer
It’s very clear that we have two night killing parties out there. Now, so far, the 4 people that have been targeted for night kills: meeple, amber, versatile, and Nikon. Out of these, Nikon has been the only one to survive due to being a veteran supposedly. I don’t believe we can determine which party hit which party, can we? Either way, it’s obvious that the SK is anti-town. However, we can use the SK in my opinion to our advantage.
If anybody has any input thus far, please say so and I’ll address them.
For my current plan
We still need a few more role claims, but I want people’s opinions on this tentative plan. Since we are down quite a few and have still not hit any scum, I want the Serial Killer to step forward and state who he hit the past two nights. This may seem a bit unorthodox but given the situation and following assumption that SKs lose instantly when scum outnumber town, I want to use the SK’s kills as second potential lynches instead of his/her’s target list so that we don’t increase ToD any further using nukes and then having a nuke rush or something like that to force a draw.
Another reason I want to do this is because it’ll determine what I’ve been wondering since someone brought it up since the start of the game: are there actually any mafia? I want to determine the amount of SKs we have, whether it’s one SK and we have a scum party or we have two SKs and no scum party. 10 people have died so far, and scum KP has been said to be 1, regardless of how many are alive. SK KP can be also assumed as one given that the SK is by himself. Is it possible that Ace has included two SKs and no scum actually?
I’ve been thinking about this because we lost our vigilante thus we only have two methods to kill any scum now: lynches and nukes. We are already at moderate with the nukes, sitting at 5 nukes. As a result, nuking isn’t as legitimate an option anymore in my opinion, especially given our track record and the fact that we have no scum hit at all via nukes, lynches, and night kills by SK(s). If we are to assume that there are a team of scum doing these night hits in addition to an SK, then we have a good chance of actually killing someone with a nuke, but if there are no scum and it’s just two SKs, then our chances go down drastically. We have 12 players left, and if there are in fact two SKs, then chances are we’re going to hit one of our own again, so we’ll most likely just end up losing a townie and raising ToD higher again. Same deal with the lynches even, just without the ToD increase.
Overall
I’d like to hear more about this plan, and any opinions of it. I already know a potential downside to it which I won’t elect to mention until after I get more input or if the SK(s) speak up.
As for claims:
Nemy’s doesn’t strike me as anything major, unless he meant something else when saying ‘townie’. Though I’d really prefer he participate more or at least say something. I’m still a bit suspicious of him quite honestly.
Nikon being veteran, unless someone can make a counterclaim or of some such, I can’t find any hole in this.
Haster being town. I can’t put my finger on it, but something just doesn’t feel right with this. I’ll have to go back to previous posts and see something because I think something you said previously gave me a vibe that you weren’t of the townie role. But I can’t say anything at the moment that this claim is bullshit or anything. Perhaps later.
I already said what I said about fishball and caller.
Current nuke situation
I don’t want this to be shot down quite honestly for two reasons: we should save any remaining antinukes we have in case some stupid nuke-rush-for-draw crap happens, and the fact that Iaaan said he was fine if a nuke was shot at him. If this nuke lands, I believe it’ll go to the next stage at 6 nukes unless I miscounted, and we’ll see if Iaaan’s claim about his power is true or not. Although it won’t give us insight into Nikon’s first nuke viability against Zona, it’ll also show us that Nikon isn’t the nuke-stealer going around which helps us somewhat.
As for Caller’s check on d3, I feel it’s something to keep in mind, though I don’t necessarily think it should be trusted as readily at the moment.
If I missed anybody’s role claim or misinterpreted your roleclaim, please say so. Also, again, I want people’s opinions on the SK plan. We haven’t hit anybody yet with any nukes or lynches which starts to worry me that perhaps there isn’t any scum at all and it’s just two SKs. If anybody has any input or criticism on this plan, please state it.
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On April 03 2010 13:50 Iaaan wrote:
Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes.
This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision.
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On April 03 2010 20:05 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 17:02 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 13:50 Iaaan wrote:
Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes. This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision. Well, it would make sense to have more than one Veteran in a setup where there are multiple parties that can nightkill...
You seem to be confused. I'm not interested about the fact that there are multiple people role claiming as 'Veteran'. What I'm more interested about is the fact that these same two roles have different abilities, yet you seem to be fine with this.
We have you who claimed to be hit during the night, yet you are wondering if Iaaan's claim of a free nuke block during the day is true or not, going so far as to launch a nuke at him. Yet Iaaan is also claiming to be a veteran with a free nuke block and a free night hit block, and you don't find this surprising even when he roleclaimed the same role as you?
You seem quite casual about this and I can only guess that due to the difference of abilities of the same claimed roles:
One or both of you are lying about your roleclaims.
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On April 04 2010 00:21 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 20:27 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 20:05 Nikon wrote:On April 03 2010 17:02 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 13:50 Iaaan wrote:
Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes. This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision. Well, it would make sense to have more than one Veteran in a setup where there are multiple parties that can nightkill... You seem to be confused. I'm not interested about the fact that there are multiple people role claiming as 'Veteran'. What I'm more interested about is the fact that these same two roles have different abilities, yet you seem to be fine with this. We have you who claimed to be hit during the night, yet you are wondering if Iaaan's claim of a free nuke block during the day is true or not, going so far as to launch a nuke at him. Yet Iaaan is also claiming to be a veteran with a free nuke block and a free night hit block, and you don't find this surprising even when he roleclaimed the same role as you? You seem quite casual about this and I can only guess that due to the difference of abilities of the same claimed roles: One or both of you are lying about your roleclaims. Yeah, except that laaan said that he will survive nukes yesterday, and I nuked him before he claimed veteran. You assume we have different abilities because he's assuming so, based on information I said I want to withhold.
What was the point in nuking him? Let's assume these things:
A) You are a veteran
B) Veteran ability entails a free night hit which is standard, but not as standard: a free nuke hit
C) Nobody mentions that they are immune to a single nuke hit until Iaaan mentions it
Given these three things, you still launch a nuke at Iaaan when only B is something Veterans could know. Iaaan could've guessed the ability, thinking it makes sense given that given that nukes are in the hands of 22 people, somebody ought to have nuke protection, even if it is a one-shot ability; however, the chance of this is very slim in my eyes, especially coupled with the fact that he says
On April 03 2010 06:46 Iaaan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2010 01:37 Nikon wrote:
I am a Veteran. I took a hit last night.
With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit? It will hit, but it wont kill me. Do you have nuke protection to? and are you arctica?
in response to you role claiming Veteran. He clearly says that veterans also have a one-shot day nuke protection. Yet you go ahead and nuke him and choose to withhold your capabilities even while roleclaiming? You realize the problem with this, right?
On top of this, you claim that your missile is fake which accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of confirming whether Iaaan is truly veteran or not as his ability, which you should know, blocks a nuke hit because, as Iaaan puts it which you are also implying by not denying the fact that veterans have a one-shot nuke protection, it gives an extra life against nukes which means an actual nuke has to hit.
Because of this, your only purpose in sending that nuke is to accomplish one of two things:
A) Burn up an antinuke which you did so well with your first nuke, or
B) Burn up a veteran's extra nuke protection
Both of which do not help the town at all.
So perhaps you could explain why you thought that someone stating he possesses an ability that hasn't been mentioned by anybody until then which somehow conveniently matches your ability would deserve a nuke in order to prove this ability? If he's not veteran: congratulations, you probably killed scum since he lied, but this means you also lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If he is veteran: you burned his day protection and you lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If your missile is a dud: you accomplished nothing at all in terms of extra information for the town and we have no confirmation of your first missile.
What was really going through your mind when you decided to nuke Iaaan?
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On April 04 2010 01:41 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 01:15 Elemenope wrote:On April 04 2010 00:21 Nikon wrote:On April 03 2010 20:27 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 20:05 Nikon wrote:On April 03 2010 17:02 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 13:50 Iaaan wrote:
Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes. This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision. Well, it would make sense to have more than one Veteran in a setup where there are multiple parties that can nightkill... You seem to be confused. I'm not interested about the fact that there are multiple people role claiming as 'Veteran'. What I'm more interested about is the fact that these same two roles have different abilities, yet you seem to be fine with this. We have you who claimed to be hit during the night, yet you are wondering if Iaaan's claim of a free nuke block during the day is true or not, going so far as to launch a nuke at him. Yet Iaaan is also claiming to be a veteran with a free nuke block and a free night hit block, and you don't find this surprising even when he roleclaimed the same role as you? You seem quite casual about this and I can only guess that due to the difference of abilities of the same claimed roles: One or both of you are lying about your roleclaims. Yeah, except that laaan said that he will survive nukes yesterday, and I nuked him before he claimed veteran. You assume we have different abilities because he's assuming so, based on information I said I want to withhold. What was the point in nuking him? Let's assume these things: A) You are a veteran B) Veteran ability entails a free night hit which is standard, but not as standard: a free nuke hit C) Nobody mentions that they are immune to a single nuke hit until Iaaan mentions it Given these three things, you still launch a nuke at Iaaan when only B is something Veterans could know. Iaaan could've guessed the ability, thinking it makes sense given that given that nukes are in the hands of 22 people, somebody ought to have nuke protection, even if it is a one-shot ability; however, the chance of this is very slim in my eyes, especially coupled with the fact that he says On April 03 2010 06:46 Iaaan wrote:On April 03 2010 01:37 Nikon wrote:
I am a Veteran. I took a hit last night.
With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit? It will hit, but it wont kill me. Do you have nuke protection to? and are you arctica? in response to you role claiming Veteran. He clearly says that veterans also have a one-shot day nuke protection. Yet you go ahead and nuke him and choose to withhold your capabilities even while roleclaiming? You realize the problem with this, right? On top of this, you claim that your missile is fake which accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of confirming whether Iaaan is truly veteran or not as his ability, which you should know, blocks a nuke hit because, as Iaaan puts it which you are also implying by not denying the fact that veterans have a one-shot nuke protection, it gives an extra life against nukes which means an actual nuke has to hit. Because of this, your only purpose in sending that nuke is to accomplish one of two things: A) Burn up an antinuke which you did so well with your first nuke, or B) Burn up a veteran's extra nuke protection Both of which do not help the town at all. So perhaps you could explain why you thought that someone stating he possesses an ability that hasn't been mentioned by anybody until then which somehow conveniently matches your ability would deserve a nuke in order to prove this ability? If he's not veteran: congratulations, you probably killed scum since he lied, but this means you also lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If he is veteran: you burned his day protection and you lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If your missile is a dud: you accomplished nothing at all in terms of extra information for the town and we have no confirmation of your first missile. What was really going through your mind when you decided to nuke Iaaan? Did also notice how both haster and infund popped up to throw votes on Caller? I say we wait to see if Nikon's nuke is real. Should assume it the nuke post will let us know if his nuke protection is burned up, right LMNOP? =D And...I'll retaliate on Abenson if necessary, which will allow him to retaliate on me....I love life sometimes.
Haster has claimed vanilla townie, I don't believe infund has claimed unless I missed it. Though I am a bit curious as to why Haster has voted for Caller. Haster has posted that he would vote for Caller if he didn't post his night action, and he did, and then he proceeds to vote for him anyway once he got back from work/school/whatever it was, citing that caller is lurking.
If we assume that his claim is legitimate, all we have is that meeple turned up scum, which makes Caller insane or paranoid. D3 turned up scum, which still makes Caller insane or paranoid and we don't know the alignment of d3. We can't really fault Caller for lack of information from night actions; though I am a bit curious as to why he chose d3 instead of Opz or Abenson.
If, haster, you feel that Caller isn't an alignment cop though, then that's a legitimate issue.
As for infund, I'd like to hear a claim. Same with JeeJee and d3. Unless I missed any of these three claims somewhere in the thread.
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On April 04 2010 12:58 Nikon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2010 01:15 Elemenope wrote:On April 04 2010 00:21 Nikon wrote:On April 03 2010 20:27 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 20:05 Nikon wrote:On April 03 2010 17:02 Elemenope wrote:On April 03 2010 13:50 Iaaan wrote:
Last, a solid roleclaim from me, I was being ambiguous before, I am Antarctica, a veteran. My powers are 1 extra life against nukes, and 1 extra life against night hits. This makes me suspicious of nikon still, if we are both veterans, why are our roles different? I asked him a little bit about his role on the last page, from what he has said it doesn't sound like he has an extra life against nukes. This is interesting, and from this, only one thing comes to mind - though I'd like to hear Nikon's take about Iaaan claiming veteran before coming to a decision. Well, it would make sense to have more than one Veteran in a setup where there are multiple parties that can nightkill... You seem to be confused. I'm not interested about the fact that there are multiple people role claiming as 'Veteran'. What I'm more interested about is the fact that these same two roles have different abilities, yet you seem to be fine with this. We have you who claimed to be hit during the night, yet you are wondering if Iaaan's claim of a free nuke block during the day is true or not, going so far as to launch a nuke at him. Yet Iaaan is also claiming to be a veteran with a free nuke block and a free night hit block, and you don't find this surprising even when he roleclaimed the same role as you? You seem quite casual about this and I can only guess that due to the difference of abilities of the same claimed roles: One or both of you are lying about your roleclaims. Yeah, except that laaan said that he will survive nukes yesterday, and I nuked him before he claimed veteran. You assume we have different abilities because he's assuming so, based on information I said I want to withhold. What was the point in nuking him? Let's assume these things: A) You are a veteran B) Veteran ability entails a free night hit which is standard, but not as standard: a free nuke hit C) Nobody mentions that they are immune to a single nuke hit until Iaaan mentions it Given these three things, you still launch a nuke at Iaaan when only B is something Veterans could know. Iaaan could've guessed the ability, thinking it makes sense given that given that nukes are in the hands of 22 people, somebody ought to have nuke protection, even if it is a one-shot ability; however, the chance of this is very slim in my eyes, especially coupled with the fact that he says On April 03 2010 06:46 Iaaan wrote:On April 03 2010 01:37 Nikon wrote:
I am a Veteran. I took a hit last night.
With that out of the way - laaan, if I nuke you, do you think it will hit? It will hit, but it wont kill me. Do you have nuke protection to? and are you arctica? in response to you role claiming Veteran. He clearly says that veterans also have a one-shot day nuke protection. Yet you go ahead and nuke him and choose to withhold your capabilities even while roleclaiming? You realize the problem with this, right? On top of this, you claim that your missile is fake which accomplishes absolutely nothing in terms of confirming whether Iaaan is truly veteran or not as his ability, which you should know, blocks a nuke hit because, as Iaaan puts it which you are also implying by not denying the fact that veterans have a one-shot nuke protection, it gives an extra life against nukes which means an actual nuke has to hit. Because of this, your only purpose in sending that nuke is to accomplish one of two things: A) Burn up an antinuke which you did so well with your first nuke, or B) Burn up a veteran's extra nuke protection Both of which do not help the town at all. So perhaps you could explain why you thought that someone stating he possesses an ability that hasn't been mentioned by anybody until then which somehow conveniently matches your ability would deserve a nuke in order to prove this ability? If he's not veteran: congratulations, you probably killed scum since he lied, but this means you also lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If he is veteran: you burned his day protection and you lied about your fake nuke on Zona. If your missile is a dud: you accomplished nothing at all in terms of extra information for the town and we have no confirmation of your first missile. What was really going through your mind when you decided to nuke Iaaan? Nuke me to find out.
Nice explanation on why you nuked Iaaan with a fake nuke.
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On April 06 2010 01:16 ~OpZ~ wrote:
LMNOP hasn't said shit
I don't really havea nything new to say other than thanks for the anti-nuke d3? I still have my suspicions of Caller, nikon, d3, nemy due to previous reasons listed.
Nemy launched his nuke against Nikon which is what we wanted him to do to prove nikon's veteran status which is what this whole thing hinges around.
Unless you have any specific questions, I'm not sure what else to contribute until this nuke lands.
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On April 06 2010 11:43 Abenson wrote:
There is a slight chance that that is a mafia ability
Slight chance? The guy fucking lied about his roleclaim, launched a nuke at someone to try to burn up an anti-nuke, provoked getting nukes launched at him, and now this happens?
Yeah.
nikon is a fucking baller veteran yo.
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