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Already we've advocated lynching somebody who's not in the game, horribly miscounted the number of blue roles, and then Vivi57 waltzes in with that amazing analysis.
Does anyone want to be mayor of this town?
On March 11 2010 07:30 XeliN wrote:
I'm going to put myself forward for office, wasn't going to as I have an essay due tomorrow and didnt expect to be able to pay attention to this but seems like I'm going to be able to due to my laziness//need to procrastinate.
I think I am good at analysing peoples allignment from their posts, and is something that I've gotten better at the more games I've played.
DT's being able to rolecheck elected also means that I could be trusted early on and co-ordinate with blues to get us a decisive win early on.
Also i'd quite like to play an elected position simply because I have not had the chance before and it would make the game more exciting (for me).
Elect XeliN !
On March 11 2010 07:35 citi.zen wrote:
On March 11 2010 07:38 nemY wrote:
A natural born politician!
Go do the essay, XeliN.
On March 11 2010 13:54 Incognito wrote:
These people have come out and have voted or posted in the archive thread, but have made less than 5 posts. This includes pre-game posts.
I'm writing a paper on Kantian ethics, and reading the thread during breaks. I'll have some more time tomorrow. My reasons for voting for BC are somewhat unsteady at this point, I'll probably change it at some point when more candidates come out. He hasn't roleclaimed to me though, I just am annoyed at L for engineering my death in the last game, and I think you've contributed quite a bit so far, I haven't ruled you out either. But there are enough half baked ideas in this thread to make me wonder who is dictating strategy for who...
And this will be my fifth post in the thread at any rate. It's all good.
On March 12 2010 05:23 Bill Murray wrote:
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On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote:
L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . .Not really.
It doesn't add up, brah
It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too.
The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game.
The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play.
That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad.
If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim.
That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town.
How many more times can we quote L's 70 line post on one page? Should we try for a third?
I'm a little worried about this three person election thing. I mean, it normally comes down to three people in the end anyway, but it seems like we've just been presented with three candidates who announced really early, and intimidated everyone else into not running. Two candidates have roleclaimed DT, which seems more than a little implausible, especially because both players are veteran players.
Incognito is the only person untainted so far, but that really means nothing. XeliN isn't a serious candidate, and neither is Bill Murray either, but perhaps that means we might be better off trusting them?
I think rolechecks on our elected officials are paramount early in this game, just to check the assertions these players have made so far. Curiously, if L is said to actually be the detective, there might be more reason to suspect him. It's ironic I think, that BC and L would look more like the godfather if they seem to be who they claimed to be.
As for the election we've got going here, this is really really close, which bothers me, because it seems all the easier for the mafia to calibrate the results as they see fit. If you're town, and are contemplating changing your vote, it might be clever to do so as late as possible, so that at the very least, the election results won't be particularly easy to adjust.
It would be really really excellent if all the election candidates were town-aligned, but we should by no means assume that's the case. The priority is still rolechecking the election winners, because a mafia pardoner is a threat, and a mafia mayor is an even bigger threat. This game will be won or lost on DT play.
But that said, I feel like these kills don't really tell us anything, which may be why these players were picked to begin with. I mean, Vivi and Fulgrim were hardly the town's most adept mafia killers, and they clearly had no power of their own.
I think Vivi's kill makes BC look fairly innocent here, in particular because they seemed to be connected through BC's roleclaim. If Vivi had been blue, then I would've suggested that Vivi had roleclaimed back or something, but because Vivi flipped green, it doesn't seem likely to me that BC would be involved. See if you can follow that logic, I'm not entirely sure it makes sense, had some stuff to drink a couple of hours ago, maybe I'll wake up tomorrow and find what I wrote makes no sense.
Oh, and then there's this.
On March 14 2010 14:44 L wrote:
Citi.zen, if you feel so strongly about killing me, how's about we kill bill murray today and if I'm wrong, you kill me tomorrow.
Sounds like everyone wins.
Which is exactly what you did last game, and I don't believe for a moment. We all know you won't agree to die, and hold up the other end of this gambit if you're wrong, so why should we give it any weight this time?
L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia?
On March 14 2010 15:16 L wrote:
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L, what makes you think Bill Murray is mafia?
I'm not convinced. I'm asking if you have another argument.
Also, I wasn't 'inactive', I followed the thread fairly closely, but seeing as how there would really never be enough people willing to lynch an 'inactive' over an active player in a game with no clues, I just tried to lie low. I think that may be this style's biggest fault, there's nothing that encourages participation.
That said, the action list shows pretty clearly that we did a good job of staying off people's radar, but also that the net was closing pretty fast. We didn't connect on our second bus driver hit, and with so many blues alive, there simply was no time left to pull it back together, so we did agree to call it.