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On March 15 2010 02:51 citi.zen wrote:
More nonsense.
For clarity L: you are saying you are NOT the bus driver, right? And not green, and not the DT?
Also, the unconfirmable/uncheckable bus driver claimed to you and protected you night one? Why would they TELL you, when you are acting so irrationally? And where did you explicitly say this in the thread, to deter the mafia L?
I told you I'm not claiming. So stop asking for semi-claims. Its not going to happen. I know your team really wants to know what I am before risking hits on a potential medic protected target, but frankly I don't care.
Why did the bus driver claim to me? Well, here's you're assuming he claimed to me rather than someone in my circle; Mistake. Why would they tell me? Well, because we didn't want a mafia bus driver redirecting a check. So in redirecting a DT check (which is what happened last night) we confirmed 3 blues. Well, not 100% quite yet, hence why this is a premature statement.
As for me acting irrationally, its pretty clear that you're just not reading. I'm acting perfectly rationally. I've picked and sticked with the same targets instead of swapping my votes around like you. I proposed a plan for the town and did my best to get it to work (and believe it or not, its still proceeding in a limited fashion (as per the above statement).
Maybe you think I'm irrational for not telling mafia what role I am, but that's in and of itself irrational. You only make a claim if there's a reason to do it. Frankly, giving mafia a 100% lock on a role to bolster my credibility isn't worth it.
Maybe you think I'm irrational for calling people out and sticking to my guns. Lol sry. My bad. I guess I should let mafia dominate the town discussion and propose lynch targets.
And where did I say it? Why don't you read the thread? I'm not your nanny.
Every second post of mine is replied to with your style of "OH SO ARE YOU SAYING X??!!?" when I've explicitly stated the opposite. Its getting pretty tiring. If you're town, you wouldn't have a reason to intentionally twist statements repeatedly, so please don't make the same mistake in the future. I can understand you making it repeatedly until now because you're a rather rage filled player (as evidenced by your reaction when we didn't make you GF when we were last mafia together: you stopped talking to our team and basically got yourself killed), but please don't dig yourself any deeper by using the same mistake repeatedly.
Regardless of all of the above, its pretty obvious people are trying to throw heat on me to dodge a discussion surrounding who we should lynch so that mafia can bus away from their targets more readily. I'm still 100% for lynching bill murray for the reasons I've posted repeatedly; Bill is not playing the same style that he posts when he's town, the vast majority of his posts are now either
1) Shitflinging against me.
2) Shitflinging against people who don't disagree with me.
3) Drunken retard banter.
Sadly that does not a pro-town player make. His voting record is fishy. His behaviour is fishy. I don't really see how abenson merits a hit over him. That said, if we aren't going to kill Bill Murray, I will be intensely unhappy at the gullibility of this town.
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On March 15 2010 04:15 citi.zen wrote:You're right: everyone has problems reading other than you, of course - hence you quickly detected my "voting pattern". Oh wait, now it's not the "voting pattern" (what happened to that theory by the way - have you moved on?) that bothers you about me, it's the "rage": Show nested quote +I can understand you making it repeatedly until now because you're a rather rage filled player (as evidenced by your reaction when we didn't make you GF when we were last mafia together: you stopped talking to our team and basically got yourself killed), but please don't dig yourself any deeper by using the same mistake repeatedly. I moved on a long time ago. Did I attack you last game at all? No, because you weren't acting scummy and made some sense. + Show Spoiler +The GF decision 2 games ago did not bother me because I was not chosen. It bothered me because it was changed last minute, without consulting the rest of the team. After it happened I tried to understand why we weren't talking to each other and never stopped talking to the team: some of you just refused to used anything other than IRC, even though we had a message board set-up and I repeatedly reached out to many of you in PMs. The very night before I was killed I even sent you this message: To: L [ Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Plan
Date: 2/21/10 12:27
This is where I think we stand:
Ver has a lot of info. He most likely knows I am Gambino. He has been very cold in PMs and clearly does not trust me. He may also have info on others as well, and is saving a few "sure hits" until the end / to keep balance between the mafias as needed, perhaps using 2x lynches.
We must act immediately, while we still have high KP, to kill Ver. This is our only chance to keep the town from winning. We need to do this with the help of the other mafia family. Going after him alone is madness.
I propose I contact QS and propose EACH family use TWO hits on Ver next night. The S family should like this, since it basically gives me away AND gets them rid of Ver.
At the very least we gain some time while the town is less organized.
Is this crazy? Is there another way I am not seeing? Note that at that point QS was DT confirmed to be in the other mafia family. You turned that offer down, I got killed by the other mafia anyway and you used 2 hits on Ver by yourself. We lost the game. Bad communication you say? You still aren't making any sense L. But that's OK, it will all get sorted out sooner or later. It should comfort you to hear that I am done talking about you for now.
Still angry because we didn't make you GF I see.
The majority of people can read just fine, hence why the town now has a group of confirmed members that will be growing as time goes by. By contrast, Its been a very select group of people intentionally misreading things, and interestingly enough none of them are present in the group of confirmed or confirm-able blues. Some of them might be townspeople who are being egged on in pms by mafia goons, but some of them are undoubtedly scum.
Its one thing to criticize me. Its another to base your criticism on second hand regurgitations of what I've said.
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On March 15 2010 04:42 Bill Murray wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2010 14:14 L wrote:
Yeah i'm having you killed day 1 of any game you're in with me. What day is it?
You win this round Bill Murray. You win this round.
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k, serious lack of activity here.
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On March 15 2010 07:26 Abenson wrote:
From what I've seen so far, I think that:
I think that the most important part is to have the dt's post their results. I know that this is risky, but I think it's extremely important that we get information from the dt's.
Nah.
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The arguments against ~opz~ are probably the most significant out of the four presented, but I still think Bill Murray is a superior candidate.
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On March 15 2010 10:57 ~OpZ~ wrote:
omg, I respond and foolishness accuses.....and BC vanishes after some crappy responses to me....Seriously, PROVOKE ME AGAIN, I want to post, but I don't want to quadruple post. Shit, Ace would of kept the accusations rolling right along, provoking me, until someone else came along.
Seriously, get out of PM land, and speak a little in the thread, we all aren't privy to that side of the world guys, and it is really sapping the fun from this game.
Oh, so if you have information about who is blue and who isn't you should vomit that out and essentially tell mafia who to hit?
Nah.
If you want to post, feel free to analyse some of the more afk people, because the fact that they aren't being called out and the low post volume in the thread indicates that mafia is happy with what's currently going on. I still get the most pushback from BM, so I still think he's the best target.
You, however, can propose someone else. Bring old posts of theirs, build context, show how it fits or doesn't fit patterns from prior games.
You kinda feel like defending yourself is a pro-town action, and you're stating that you'd rather do that than produce real work: ok. That makes you lazy like the majority of the town and pretty much all of the mafia.
Generally shit like what JeeJee did shouldn't be in PMs. Co-ordinating blues, however, by NECESSITY, has to be.
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Was holding back on pushing against Malongo because I figured he'd swoop in and deliver some goods near the end of the day. Didn't happen. If Malongo does nothing tomorrow, we should probably off foolishness because it would be pretty obvious that they're on the same team at that point.
~Opz~ is probably the best target out of all those that incog mentioned, for a number of reasons, but its kind of irrelevant given that there's a vastly superior target in Bill Murray.
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For future reference, at this point:
Non-voters (i.e. those in danger of being modkilled)
Versatile
Malongo
tree.hugger
CynanMachae
nemY
sidesprang
Zona
Note the people talking about their awesome choices who refuse to vote. Think about why.
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On March 16 2010 06:07 Versatile wrote:
umm, i've already voted, asswipe.
I wanted to see if you were around. Look at that. You are.
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On March 16 2010 08:20 Zona wrote:
L you are definitely not being helpful to the town. Unless you're trying to set up an elaborate trap of the sorts that usually don't succeed, your lack of clarity is not helping the town.
The town benefits from clarity - when players (both mafia and town) post their opinions and thoughts in a solid, clear manner. Their accusations and plans can later be examined to see if they were knowingly trying to protect mafia or advance the mafia's goals. Your posting is not clear and you are constantly denying that you held various opinions, as players try to interpret your posts. And you do not clearly stating what your actual positions are in return (beyond "lynch BM").
Furthermore, your vendetta against BM doesn't seem useful. You have indeed posted a few in-game reasons in favor for his lynch for it, but beyond your "case" have expressed your desire to lynch him out of animosity or reasons beyond how BM has performed in this game. Why this is unhelpful is that if BM is lynched and he turns out green, I suspect you will wash your hands of your position by falling back on "I didn't like how he played, even if he was townie" or something along those lines.
I don't really give a shit what you think, tbh.
Having blues claim in the open when there's no reason to believe them is a fucking dumb idea.
And it isn't a vendetta. I decided to push at him pre-game because he's the type of player that does dumb shit and I wanted to see how he reacted when faced with actual scrutiny. He responded with a litany of mafia tells which is pretty much exactly what I expected.
I've had three huge posts outlining exactly why BM is playing a classic "don't step on me" defense while adding very little to the town, yet people seem content to ignore it based on the fact that he had a few goons try to take a drive by against my reputation by saying that refusing to roleclaim was 'chaos inducing'.
Are you serious?
My positions are pretty fucking clear cut in my posts. The people who decide to pm me based on what I've written seem to get the picture, so why is it that the only people expressing doubts are unconfirmed 'town' members? I haven't tried to clear stuff up? Are you joking? I've spent no less than 15 posts doing exactly that.
"Did you claim x?"
"No, I'm not going to claim anything till I'm in office"
"Did you claim y?"
"I just told you no"
"Did you claim Z?!"
"You must be kidding"
Perhaps you forgot that? I guess that would be hard for you because you were one of the main people doing it.
And as for me washing my hands clean, didn't I offer Citi.zen the opportunity to kill me if BM flipped green? I'll restate that: Kill BM today, have him flip green, and I'll let you guys off me without a single word of protest and you can quote this post and everything.
Every single factual statement you made in this post is wrong.
Why?
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On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote:
Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf.
I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't.
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Hi, do you still feel the same way about madnessman?
First, volunteering to be killed is a gambit that can be played by both town and mafia members. And I must have missed where you used your blue abilities to prove your alignment.
Mang, good quoting skills.
1) He PM'd me afterwards, like I said in the thread and made an emotional "OH FUCK I SCREWED UP SORRY  (((((((((((((((((((((((" post. Generally, I've found these scummy in the past, but Ver's a better player than I am when it comes to looking at individuals and thinks this is a typical town reaction to a bad situation.
Given that a policy lynch on being a douchebag vote swinger could go to BM or MM, I'd rather it goes to BM, hence my vote. Which is going to stay there.
2) You don't volunteer to be killed if you're also asking for a rolecheck unless you've got balls the size of texas and feel like sacrificing the GF for potentially no reward. If I'm GF I'd be pulling a plan so fucking crazy that its never been done before. Additionally, there are pretty much zero people who have bothered to step up to defend me day 2, and no one's voting with me.
Taken together, you can see that all things put together I'm pretty much the most legit shit in this game. By far.
Versatile, you're spamming posts after being called out. Next time produce from the start.
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On March 16 2010 09:52 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 09:04 L wrote:On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote:
Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't. Nice attempt to distract, but it fails, again. Let me explain it slower: of course we care what BM is (duh - what a non-starter); however, Bill's color proves nothing about you, so the "offer" to be killed if Bill is not red is yet more nonsense from you. If Bill is Red, any of the following could be true: 1. You're red too, trying to gain credibility. I've seen you play as mafia and turning in other mafia to gain credibility. It failed, by the way. Bonus quote (hi!): Show nested quote +On March 10 2010 13:44 L wrote:
Dear Bill,
If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc.
Yours cordially,
- L
P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train. 2. You are not red. Then you either took a lucky guess (in which case you'd say "oops!"), or you are speaking for a DT who role-checked him. In this case I question the DT's choice of 1st night check (lord help us), and wonder why you did not in fact state this in the thread, or use someone else to speak it for you. Because really, you have not made anything resembling a strong case against Bill thus far. You build much of "reputation" on "holding people accountable", yet in this game all you have done is try to cover up nonsense with more nonsense. I don't care that you are doing it on purpose, it is not helping the town.
So you're saying that I'm covering up nonsense by trying to kill someone who clearly fucked our day 1 votes up?
Ok.
That's the end of me listening to you, goon.
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On March 16 2010 09:55 Bill Murray wrote:
fucked our day 1 votes up? excuse me if i don't want to help the person who wants to kill me.
Because I'd be killing you as pardoner, right? Ok. You threw the deciding vote.
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Also: Lol at what's going on in PMs. Someone's going to die for this really soon.
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Flamewheel, can you give me a heads up on how bus drivers appear when they die?
Like, if someone is mafiabus, does he flip 'bus' or 'redbus' or what's up with that.
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On March 16 2010 10:01 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 09:55 L wrote:On March 16 2010 09:52 citi.zen wrote:On March 16 2010 09:04 L wrote:On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote:
Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't. Nice attempt to distract, but it fails, again. Let me explain it slower: of course we care what BM is (duh - what a non-starter); however, Bill's color proves nothing about you, so the "offer" to be killed if Bill is not red is yet more nonsense from you. If Bill is Red, any of the following could be true: 1. You're red too, trying to gain credibility. I've seen you play as mafia and turning in other mafia to gain credibility. It failed, by the way. Bonus quote (hi!): On March 10 2010 13:44 L wrote:
Dear Bill,
If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc.
Yours cordially,
- L
P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train. 2. You are not red. Then you either took a lucky guess (in which case you'd say "oops!"), or you are speaking for a DT who role-checked him. In this case I question the DT's choice of 1st night check (lord help us), and wonder why you did not in fact state this in the thread, or use someone else to speak it for you. Because really, you have not made anything resembling a strong case against Bill thus far. You build much of "reputation" on "holding people accountable", yet in this game all you have done is try to cover up nonsense with more nonsense. I don't care that you are doing it on purpose, it is not helping the town. So you're saying that I'm covering up nonsense by trying to kill someone who clearly fucked our day 1 votes up? Ok. That's the end of me listening to you, goon. Surprise, you're at it again - I call nonsense! Pay attention: my post is not about who you are trying to kill, or whether Bill fucked up. It is about the fact that Bill's color proves nothing about yours. That is the one part you consistently ignore and just talk nonsense about other shit. Like I said, play as you wish, but this ain't helping.
I don't care what his colour proves about mine. I never said I'd be confirmed if he flipped, or mafia if he didn't.
So why are you trying to put words in my mouth?
Ah, lol, there I go again, talking to the goon. My bad. I hope your team made you GF this game because that would make my job easier.
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On March 16 2010 10:11 Bill Murray wrote:
L is obviously not speaking the truth... he's claiming he thinks i'm red. that is an obvious lie. he just wants me killed.
Lol goon #2.
In other news, can someone point me to the post wherein flamewheel says in all likelihood there will only be 1 blue role each?
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On March 16 2010 10:19 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 10:11 L wrote:On March 16 2010 10:01 citi.zen wrote:On March 16 2010 09:55 L wrote:On March 16 2010 09:52 citi.zen wrote:On March 16 2010 09:04 L wrote:On March 16 2010 08:59 citi.zen wrote:
Who cares what BM is? There is no way it can "prove" jack about L. Also, thanks for the geneorus "offer" - as if I can enforce anything by myself - rolf. I'd kinda like to kill a mafia member, so I care if he's red. You should probably care too if you want to think about who's mafia and who isn't. Nice attempt to distract, but it fails, again. Let me explain it slower: of course we care what BM is (duh - what a non-starter); however, Bill's color proves nothing about you, so the "offer" to be killed if Bill is not red is yet more nonsense from you. If Bill is Red, any of the following could be true: 1. You're red too, trying to gain credibility. I've seen you play as mafia and turning in other mafia to gain credibility. It failed, by the way. Bonus quote (hi!): On March 10 2010 13:44 L wrote:
Dear Bill,
If we were both mafia, I'd still want you dead because you're terrible and would probably ruin our plans, be afk during important votes, do stupid shit in PMs, forget to post in thread because you're on IRC pretending you have a big penis, etc.
Yours cordially,
- L
P.S. If you're not mafia, I'm happy regardless. If I'm town, I'm happy we have one less retard shitting up the thread. If I'm mafia; Lol ur dead choo choo pain train. 2. You are not red. Then you either took a lucky guess (in which case you'd say "oops!"), or you are speaking for a DT who role-checked him. In this case I question the DT's choice of 1st night check (lord help us), and wonder why you did not in fact state this in the thread, or use someone else to speak it for you. Because really, you have not made anything resembling a strong case against Bill thus far. You build much of "reputation" on "holding people accountable", yet in this game all you have done is try to cover up nonsense with more nonsense. I don't care that you are doing it on purpose, it is not helping the town. So you're saying that I'm covering up nonsense by trying to kill someone who clearly fucked our day 1 votes up? Ok. That's the end of me listening to you, goon. Surprise, you're at it again - I call nonsense! Pay attention: my post is not about who you are trying to kill, or whether Bill fucked up. It is about the fact that Bill's color proves nothing about yours. That is the one part you consistently ignore and just talk nonsense about other shit. Like I said, play as you wish, but this ain't helping. I don't care what his colour proves about mine. I never said I'd be confirmed if he flipped, or mafia if he didn't. So why are you trying to put words in my mouth? Ah, lol, there I go again, talking to the goon. My bad. I hope your team made you GF this game because that would make my job easier. ROLF - you are casually calling me red again? You never explained how my "voting pattern" made me look red last time by the way. Please delight us with your brilliance, great L. + Show Spoiler +I'm not interested in your ad-hominem attacks and name calling.
This wasn't casual.
You realize I called you a goon the last few times, right? Ie, vanilla mafia?
Good lord you're bad.
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