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Versatile
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that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT. mafia's weakness: numbers. our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. | ||
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On March 16 2010 10:39 l10f wrote: Are you serious? BC and incog are the two of the last people I would suspect to be mafia. they both suspected Malongo, and even got a lot of people to vote for him. I would suspect those who voted for abenson after BC changed his vote to Malongo. That means they were trying to make sure Abenson gets lynched so Malongo could be saved. lmao. is this your first time playing? or are you that slow? way to paint yourself. | ||
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United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:45 ~OpZ~ wrote: -_-...I don't think BC would vote for someone he RC'd green. Do you? It'd be pretty obvious, and I can almost guarantee he would come to that persons defense. So let's not worry about him posting his RC, yet. I'd imagine the person he checked could step forth without BC anyway. oh really? so, let's say i don't trust BC. or even if i do, let's say i want to vote for someone different than who he voted for and i happen to vote for someone he "checked" and is towny; what's going to happen then? is he going to quote me and say, "oh...i wouldn't do that if i were youuuuuuuuuuuuuu!". and at that point, shouldn't he have come out and just told us any darn way? | ||
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United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 15:40 Incognito wrote: Early game, Bill seems innocent. End of Day 1, he sounds more fishy. Especially after the "drunk" posts. And repeatedly emphasizing his greenness. Day 2 lynch final moments, even more fishy. I like L's analysis. Now that I go back to it, yeah, its funny how Bill is pre-emptively trying to show his support in favor of Malongo's lynch before Malongo flips red. While also voting to lynch Abenson. If Bill wasn't suspicious before now, he sure is now. Other thoughts: I find it interesting how Versatile brings up an ultimatum on BC. Then proceeds to viciously attack the fact that BC isn't announcing people he's checked. Then, when BC responds, Versatile disappears. Something is not right here. The way they're going at each other, I'm guessing one of BC/Versatile are mafia. The question right now is, which one? Good question. Atm BC can be tested more than Versatile given BC's claim. Zona's strongly pro-town posts seem to make him a good target for the mafia. Plus, Zona is also a BG, so double the goodies for the mafia. This, in my eyes, makes Zona a strong target for BD or medic protection. Good job Zona for making yourself a clear pro-town BG. That just makes it harder for the mafia to decide who to hit. uh, i went to bed. and now i'm checking the thread while getting ready for work. am i supposed to be reading this thread 24/7? you've been coming @ me in a very slick way all game long. you seem to love typing my name. remember when you asked me for my opinion on BC and asked me to post in here? well, i did. i don't remember you responding. were you planning to? are you going to elaborate on your suspicions of BC, especially since you've been "collecting intel" on him through PMs? you set that trap yet,buddy? | ||
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United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 22:27 madnessman wrote: oh gawd. I pm'd you saying: L, plz don't be such a drama queen. With that said, I am back! LOL wtf is this post. It's definitely likely that one of them is mafia, but we shouldn't try to discern which one of them is by the process of elimination, especially when ALL THREE of them are claiming blue, and as such, there is so much at stake. Surely there's a better way to do this then going "inny minny miney mo" and pointing at one of them? Lol. so what's your suggestion? it seems to me that numerous players agree on the premises that at least one of BC, incog, and L are very likely mafia. it's making it especially difficult to determine who because of the blue claims and the appearance that all three of them, or at least BC and L, are working together right now. how do we determine which one is mafia? do you have a plan? i would love to hear it, as it would help the town. | ||
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United States396 Posts
On March 16 2010 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The moment you go to lynch them I WILL TELL YOU SO. At the moment all I've cleared sadly for you are blues. I am not telling you who they are, and I have already confirmed I am in contact with a driver. You at the moment don't need to know more than that. You don't need to know who I am talking to at the moment either. This debate happened pages ago. It seems very interesting that the same people are pushing to get information on who I have cleared. If this was three days from now, when I have a larger list of people and takes time for the mafia to kill them all, possibly not a bad idea. Early on however means they can kill them faster than I can check. If they are green or blue is irrelevant. Soon as their name is down, mafia knows they are cleared. The fact you keep pushing this same idea is baffling. I get that you want me to prove my role, I do get it. By releasing a list of names for mafia to off however is insanely stupid. Your actions while challenging me are great. I do encourage the town to do so till I am proven, however, you constantly pushing for my death + publically giving all the information I have more implies that your not playing with the towns best interests at heart. Get off your high horse and stop demanding shit. DT info is fed via mouths, or in the case they get elected and proven (yes you can claim I'm not proven yet), they give what they can safely to town, and can give the rest to trusted confirms. first of all, stop crying. if you didn't want to be pushed or questioned, you should have never signed up for mayor. it's what comes with the territory. and it's not about me. it's also not about you. it's about what's best for the town, and you're sadly mistaken if you think you're doing what's best for the town. it's about to be day 3, and you haven't shown the town, in the thread, any definitive leadership. i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor. at the moment that we know we can trust you BC, the game is over. you can get role claims from all of us, and end this. i cannot comprehend why it is almost day 3 and you have not made more movement on this. so, i apologize if it seems like i am "viciously attacking" you. that's not my intention. i just want answers from our leader. | ||
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On March 17 2010 02:07 Incognito wrote: Lets take a look at these three posts from Versatile. First, she agrees with BC's idea that DTs should only announce red checks. Second post, she decides that BC is pulling BS here when he decides to follow the plan that she agreed with. Third post, I guess she figures that her previous attempt to get BC to spit out the confirmed townies didn't work and is desperate to find another way? Her plan is flawed for obvious reasons stated above. I dont know, but why do you keep switching your views on things that seem like they should be policy no matter what your role? Something doesn't add up here. Care to explain? Also, who do you suggest we lynch tomorrow? Did you read L's analysis of Bill Murray? On another note, Downplaying Malongo's lynch. Which fine, it wasn't some awesome convincing analysis. But it was a successful guess. Would the mafia really risk starting a train on Malongo when he hadn't been previously discussed? Sure, he was inactive and a good target to gain credibility, but at this point, they have more issues to worry about then gaining credibility from lynches. Either way, you've mentioned repeatedly that it is self-evident that one of BC/me/L are mafia. In fact you keep saying this as if you're 100% sure that this is true seemingly out of nowhere. Stirring up the town based on a percieved false consensus here? BC's alignment can be tested severely. Yours unfortunately is a bit more difficult. But I guess I'll wait to comment further until you answer this post. 1. that post was referring to an UNPROTECTED DT. i never agreed that BC should keep his checks secretly. not once. go read my posts. once again, stop misrepresenting my what i wrote. this is the same shyt people were doing to L. i have used to the same policy the entire time. i haven't changed my mind. so that point is null and void. 2. lol, are you serious? downplaying malongo's lynch? if i were mafia, what would i gain from doing this? and how was it a successful guess? NO ONE could have voted for malongo and he STILL would have died. that's not a towny victory. that's just bad luck for the mafia. further, citi.zen and L both said the same thing. but it only matters to you that i said it right? 3. i don't understand how you can say that i am "stirring up the town based on perceived false consensus". i am not the only towny who has said this, so there is no perceived false consensus. fact is, it is very unlikely that that all three of you are blue/green. that's what i think, and if you don't like, go cry to someone else about it. now, instead of riding my jock, maybe you'd like to actually post something substantial. cut the "all will be made clear in the morning's dawn when God whispers in your ear" bullshit. you're also an elected official and i don't see you doing much either. in fact, i find it suspicious that you're taking all the heat for BC when you claim to be suspicious of him yourself. what's up with that, boss? | ||
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Versatile
United States396 Posts
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BM did mess with two votes, so i think L's suspicion is justified. however, L was out for BM before the game even began, so i feel like his judgment might be clouded. if neither one of them is hit tonight, i'm inclined to think that they're just two townies going at one another and mafia wants them alive to distract. but it's equal possible that if one is mafia, the other won't be hit due to drawing attention to himself. | ||
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so for lynch candidates for day 3, what does everyone think of putting the L/BM thing to rest. i highly doubt that either one of them will be killed during the night. as i stated before, if they're both townies, the mafia will want them @ each others' throats as a distraction, and if either is mafia, the death of one during the night would draw too much attention to the other. unless they're just that diabolical. thoughts? | ||
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On March 17 2010 03:55 Zona wrote: Another thing I want the town to think about is the pardoner power. I think the pardoner MECHANISM as a whole brings NOTHING good to the town. When players die, the rest of the town gains CONCRETE INFORMATION. However, with mafia nightkills, the mafia decides what information to reveal, so the information from a lynch is much more valuable, because it is not totally driven by the mafia. As well, vote history is very valuable when combined with lynch results. So when the pardoner ever pardons, the town is deprived of information is needs to get. Okay, so the pardoner shouldn't pardon. But therein lies the problem. When we reach lategame, the pardoner power becomes EVEN MORE DANGEROUS to the town, when in the hands of a mafia member. By that point in the game, the pardon can simply be used to cancel a town's lynch, and allow the mafia to continue whittling down the town with their nightkill. So we as a town want to reach lategame without the pardoner having his or her power. But if the pardoner ever uses his or her power...it's a bad thing. I have no easy answer to this dilemma. However, if we force the pardoner to use up pardons earlier in the game to remove the risk of mafia pardoning late game, the town falls behind and loses two lynches. If we kill the pardoner with a lynch, we fall behind in ONE lynch, but we also lose one town member. The only alternative is we somehow have to prove the pardoner is definitely town, so we can avoid using pardons and also go into the lategame without worrying about mafia pardoning. i think there is only one way to deal with this. the two tells the pardoner (incog in this game) that we do not want any lynches. and if he goes against the town's wishes so blantantly, that's cause for immediate lynching. of course, this should have been done in the beginning of the game, but we can just keep it in mind for future games as well. obviously there some problems with this, for example, it counts on the pardoner keeping their word so it is not full proof. | ||
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On March 17 2010 04:07 Zona wrote: The thing is, the pardoner obeying the town in using up pardons in the first two days does nothing to prove how town-aligned they are. The mafia would be happy to have a monopoly on kills for two days. They then control what information the town has. Actually the first town lynch vote is probably one of the most important in the game, because it provides the first voting record for the town to examine. I'd definitely be against pardoning that one... That's why the mechanic of having the mayor decide the first lynch actually sets the town back, because there's no voting history to examine day 2. no, maybe i wasn't clear. i'm saying the town should tell the pardoner NOT to use ANY lynches, period. this doesn't address the late game issue, but it prevents a mafia pardoner from saving his buddies without making it obvious he's red as well. i'm not sure what to do with the late game problem, i'll keep brainstorming. | ||
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United States396 Posts
On March 17 2010 04:17 ~OpZ~ wrote: Although Incog did have a point when Versatile agreed to BC's plan, then decided he should release the names... It could just be the want for information, but you did say they shouldn't be released earlier. no monkeybreath, he didn't have a point because it's not true. i already addressed that. stop blatantly lying about me. | ||
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On March 17 2010 04:19 Bill Murray wrote: I would love to put it to rest. I like L. I believe he is town. you do realize "put to rest" means one of you should be lynched. | ||
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what is wrong with you? | ||
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you've been a lynch candidate for ages. i'm promoting discussion to get more people involved in the discussion so we can get a better idea of where the town stands. and if you are mafia like L has stated over and over again, lynching you would benefit the town. | ||
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On March 17 2010 04:43 Bill Murray wrote: I've gotten 2 votes all game. Real lynch candidate there. You want to lynch our mayor and you want to lynch an obvious green? I say we lynch you. then lynch me, hoe. | ||
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