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On March 13 2010 01:12 citi.zen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 00:56 L wrote:On March 13 2010 00:17 johnnyspazz wrote:
L, why haven't you voted? I voted for me. I dunno why that doesn't count anymore. Also Show nested quote +On March 11 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
And L, you still cannot vote for yourself. Not even once, let alone twice. Sorry mate. I can't even remember the last game to allow people to vote for themselves. Weren't you the one accusing everyone of not reading carefully? La-la-la...
I know what the rule is, I just think its dumb seeing as it hasn't always been that way. I'll vote later, probably for cobbler.
And incog, why would mafia rather you in office rather than me? I know I'm not mafia, I also know I'm generally more active than you, and I've also stated that if I'm getting a role that can't be checked that I'm basically going to kill myself to have a full set of roleclaims. So pretty much no matter what I am, I'm claiming with the intent to prove it shortly thereafter. You, by contrast, are not offering any such game breaking attempts, yet you think mafia is more scared of you than me.
But then you admit that you probably have like 3-4 fishy people voting for you. So how does that add up?
It doesn't.
I've got a paper due in 1.5 hours and I haven't even started formatting it, so I'll be back in 5.5 hours after transit/class is factored in.
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On March 13 2010 01:49 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 01:32 L wrote:On March 13 2010 01:12 citi.zen wrote:On March 13 2010 00:56 L wrote:On March 13 2010 00:17 johnnyspazz wrote:
L, why haven't you voted? I voted for me. I dunno why that doesn't count anymore. 4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game. Also On March 11 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
And L, you still cannot vote for yourself. Not even once, let alone twice. Sorry mate. I can't even remember the last game to allow people to vote for themselves. Weren't you the one accusing everyone of not reading carefully? La-la-la... I know what the rule is, I just think its dumb seeing as it hasn't always been that way. I'll vote later, probably for cobbler. And incog, why would mafia rather you in office rather than me? I know I'm not mafia, I also know I'm generally more active than you, and I've also stated that if I'm getting a role that can't be checked that I'm basically going to kill myself to have a full set of roleclaims. So pretty much no matter what I am, I'm claiming with the intent to prove it shortly thereafter. You, by contrast, are not offering any such game breaking attempts, yet you think mafia is more scared of you than me. But then you admit that you probably have like 3-4 fishy people voting for you. So how does that add up? It doesn't. I've got a paper due in 1.5 hours and I haven't even started formatting it, so I'll be back in 5.5 hours after transit/class is factored in. Uh I didn't say mafia would rather have me in office than you. I said I think they'd prefer to have you in office. The reason is because, as you have already noticed, people are trying to discredit and doubt you. I'd think its much easier to discredit you than me, and thus the mafia might think that they can deal with you better in office than me. I'm not saying mafia will be scared of me, but that it will just be more difficult to get rid of me than you.
It was a rhetorical question. Ie, mafia would much rather have you in office sitting around nothing nothing as a green.
Your statement here essentially implies that you aren't going actually step up and lead and be held accountable for the results. Somehow I don't see how that's a quality you should have.
We already know who the DT is.... You know who's claimed to be the DT. You know he didn't want you to know, and you have no evidence supporting anything beyond that. Once we have a rolecheck or two to confirm his identity, we'll know things for certain.
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Yeah, so I'm going to kill Bill Murray if voted in. He's 100% wrong about me, and every single post of his has been an attempt to incriminate me.
Also, no, incog, the DT lists will not be that, but given that DT checks get returned at the end of the night, I have plenty of time to explain what's going on to those involved.
Its just a lot easier to discredit someone who posts abrasively and unclearly. Like you. I am posting VERY clearly, but people are intentionally ignoring what I'm writing. You, personally caught one person trying to do so, IE spazz a few pages. ago.
Discrediting someone who posts LARGE amounts of content is generally done on the basis of their objective actions: Bussed a bunch of innocents? Y'all probably gon get killed. Made some mistakes? Y'all probably gon get called on them. Leading involves making mistakes, but more importantly it involves taking a stance. Your assumption is that your posting style is somehow 'town' but there's no indication of that. If I really wanted to throw dirt on you, I would, but there's just no point in doing that now.
Your vote list is the fishiest shit I've ever seen, you're now saying you have a 'plan' and ask to DT check people when I specifically said DT checks on night 1 are an integral part of my plan and you're throwing dirt at me rather directly. You're also claiming at once that you're both 1) Worthy of being medic protected and 2) Green. The two do not add up.
I could push this line of reasoning, but why? To make someone who's likely town look bad in the future? No point. You'll probably be checked on day 2 or 3 too, so why bother with suspicions when we'll largely have proof soon enough.
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Because he's pretty obviously lying?
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Oh, no, its pretty easy to organize the town, but you need to give them a reason to believe you above pointing fingers at people who are going to flip town.
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On March 13 2010 10:11 Bill Murray wrote:
Which is exactly what you're doing.
That's the pot calling the kettle black if I've ever seen it.
You're going to lynch someone who is trying to help the town? I'm honestly trying to figure out who is red. If you get elected, and lynch me, my name won't be red.
I already posted why. If you think you can make a better case for someone else without using the assumption that I'm red and that support for me is a mafia tell, maybe I'd listen. Seeing as I know I'm not red, I'm probably the only person in the thread who knows conclusively that ALL your reasoning is full of shit.
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You assume the town doesn't have order.
Mistake.
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Lol, ok. Looks like a bunch of people just put themselves on the "obviously red" list.
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Bill Murray, Jee Jee, Madnessman. I honestly hope BC decided to kill one of you.
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On March 13 2010 11:59 Bill Murray wrote:
oh, yeah.
too bad i'd end up green or the miller.
So green people switch votes repeatedly and try to swing with less than 5 minutes left? No. Holding accountable is what's up.
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On March 13 2010 12:01 Bill Murray wrote:
jeejee pmed me telling me to change my vote, and I originally wanted Incognito in power anyways. I voted for BC out of necessity so I can make the mafia waste a hit on me later on.
I guess i've finally convinced people not to trust you, and i'm going to admit something now:
I kind of trust you, L.
Sorry that I was so accusatory with you, I sort of had to do that to keep myself alive.
I feel like you're either townie or the bus driver... only like 10-15% chance of being mafia.
Well, doesn't really matter. Both you and JeeJee should probably be our next 2 lynch targets.
If you believed me, and thought i was the driver, you'd want me sitting protected as pardoner. Incog now has the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FISHY VOTE TRAIN that I've ever seen.
Bunch of inactives, then a vote swing. Wow.
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On March 13 2010 12:12 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 12:03 L wrote:On March 13 2010 12:01 Bill Murray wrote:
jeejee pmed me telling me to change my vote, and I originally wanted Incognito in power anyways. I voted for BC out of necessity so I can make the mafia waste a hit on me later on.
I guess i've finally convinced people not to trust you, and i'm going to admit something now:
I kind of trust you, L.
Sorry that I was so accusatory with you, I sort of had to do that to keep myself alive.
I feel like you're either townie or the bus driver... only like 10-15% chance of being mafia. Well, doesn't really matter. Both you and JeeJee should probably be our next 2 lynch targets. If you believed me, and thought i was the driver, you'd want me sitting protected as pardoner. Incog now has the most BLATANTLY OBVIOUS FISHY VOTE TRAIN that I've ever seen. Bunch of inactives, then a vote swing. Wow. yeah i tried my best to start the swing via PMs because i trust incog, i don't trust you, and if you were mafia, changing votes ahead of time with 3 viable candidates pretty much guarantees that they get who they want in via gradual change themselves (or last-minute wagon if they want to look fishy). at this point, i'm sure they didn't get who they wanted in. but hey if you think i'm mafia and dumb enough to pm random people and ask to change the vote instead of working with my mafia buddies, then what can i say. all mindgamez now 
So swinging the vote at literally 5 minutes remaining is legit?
Sorry kid, you're getting killed tomorrow. I hope cobbler kills BM tonight. That WIFOM doesn't work either. While one of you might be green, its highly unlikely that a bunch of people swing the vote away from a town member and are innocent.
Accountability. Feel free to enjoy some.
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On March 13 2010 12:26 Fishball wrote:
Curious question
L, how old are you.
Same age as Qatol
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On March 13 2010 13:10 madnessman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 12:53 citi.zen wrote:On March 13 2010 12:42 Foolishness wrote:On March 13 2010 12:38 citi.zen wrote:
Thank you Zona. Finally someone else gets it: the dt is huge in this game, and needs to play ultra safe. The medic is another story, if there is a mafia driver (also huge, as 8've been saying). Don't trust... anyone right now, it's just day 1 (a looooong one, to be sure). Madnessman worries me. Foolishness too. Plus those trying to confuse dts. Also, I continue to be amazed at how articulate bill is this game. Night&day change, how can this be?? I'm not worried. You changed your vote 3 times during the day. I'm sure you'll have a different opinion tomorrow, of which I will be ready to do a good ol' nobody cares! My vote did change, but my approach remained consistent: vote people who claimed blue. So yeah, you can hope I will change my mind. But will it happen? BOO! I initially voted BC because he claimed to be DT, and a DT in one of the mayoral positions is extremely extremely helpful for the town. When it became clear that BC was definitely going to be mayor, I changed my vote to L, because he implied that he too is a powerful blue, and Incog never seemed to deny that he was a green. HOWEVER, as I was skimming through the posts I had missed, I came across this: Show nested quote +On March 13 2010 08:57 Incognito wrote:On March 13 2010 07:58 L wrote:On March 13 2010 01:49 Incognito wrote:On March 13 2010 01:32 L wrote:On March 13 2010 01:12 citi.zen wrote:On March 13 2010 00:56 L wrote:On March 13 2010 00:17 johnnyspazz wrote:
L, why haven't you voted? I voted for me. I dunno why that doesn't count anymore. 4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game. Also On March 11 2010 09:31 citi.zen wrote:
And L, you still cannot vote for yourself. Not even once, let alone twice. Sorry mate. I can't even remember the last game to allow people to vote for themselves. Weren't you the one accusing everyone of not reading carefully? La-la-la... I know what the rule is, I just think its dumb seeing as it hasn't always been that way. I'll vote later, probably for cobbler. And incog, why would mafia rather you in office rather than me? I know I'm not mafia, I also know I'm generally more active than you, and I've also stated that if I'm getting a role that can't be checked that I'm basically going to kill myself to have a full set of roleclaims. So pretty much no matter what I am, I'm claiming with the intent to prove it shortly thereafter. You, by contrast, are not offering any such game breaking attempts, yet you think mafia is more scared of you than me. But then you admit that you probably have like 3-4 fishy people voting for you. So how does that add up? It doesn't. I've got a paper due in 1.5 hours and I haven't even started formatting it, so I'll be back in 5.5 hours after transit/class is factored in. Uh I didn't say mafia would rather have me in office than you. I said I think they'd prefer to have you in office. The reason is because, as you have already noticed, people are trying to discredit and doubt you. I'd think its much easier to discredit you than me, and thus the mafia might think that they can deal with you better in office than me. I'm not saying mafia will be scared of me, but that it will just be more difficult to get rid of me than you. It was a rhetorical question. Ie, mafia would much rather have you in office sitting around nothing nothing as a green. Your statement here essentially implies that you aren't going actually step up and lead and be held accountable for the results. Somehow I don't see how that's a quality you should have. We already know who the DT is.... You know who's claimed to be the DT. You know he didn't want you to know, and you have no evidence supporting anything beyond that. Once we have a rolecheck or two to confirm his identity, we'll know things for certain. Once again, I'm not green. Why do you keep saying that? Its just like everyone else saying you're DT. I'm not implying that I'm trying to avoid leading. Yay reading comprehension. I'm looking at it from the a likely mafia point of view. You've done a good job painting me green, which may keep me alive once I lose office. Its harder to throw dirt on me. It would be simpler just to kill me. Its just a lot easier to discredit someone who posts abrasively and unclearly. Like you. So just look carefully at the people who vote you then try to plant seeds of doubt. That is all. L seriously, who do you think of lynching if elected mayor? Knowing that Incog. is ALSO claiming blue completely changed my perspective. Because what are the odds that the three most veteran players ARE ALL BLUE?? Between L and Incog. I was torn--was one of them lying? I decided that between L and Incog, L was marginally more suspicious in my eyes, especially with sidesprang voting for him out of nowhere and only saying some stupid post, completely meaningless post: Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 16:48 sidesprang wrote:This is my first post, its coming up really late. Sorry about that, FF13 messed up my schoolwork which then again messed up my mafiaposting. I've now read through all the posts, and i ended up voting for L. Beliving he is the best bet for pro-town player. Tho honestly i dont think im capable of spotting scummy behavior this early in the game :S When i analyzed players before i usualy was looking at clues because that was the easiest(altho im usualy wrong there to  ). so I decided to change my vote to Incog. I later saw Zona's post, and wondered if it was a bad idea to impulsively switch to Incog. But with only three minutes left to spare and it still being 5 vs. 7, I figured it didn't matter--L would win pardoner. It turned 9 o clock and I thought voting was over. But then at 9.01 BM changed his vote, and thinking this was all incredibly suspicious, I tried to change mine back...but it was too late.
Short version: I switched my vote but thought it wouldn't matter.
Sorry, doesn't work like that.
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On March 13 2010 15:33 Zona wrote:
I would like to call out L, nemY, and Bloodycobbler for voting for d3_crescentia.
Not being allowed to abstain in votes is a huge plus for town members as votes reveal information that can be used to evaluate a player later in the game.
Yet the three of you subvert that by essentially abstaining by voting for someone who has basically not participated in the game so far. Explain yourselves - why can you not commit to helping the town by leaving a paper trail of your opinion?
Uh, who would I vote for, exactly? I wanted mayor and voting for BC would have pushed me farther from that, and voting for incog would have pushed me out of pardoner. BC didn't need the votes because was far in first, and I can't vote for myself.
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This confirms my suspicion that shinbi is fucking horrible at mafia. Glad his dumb ass is gone.
In other news; Mafia please don't hit me toniiiiiight :3.
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On March 14 2010 04:47 Iaaan wrote:
I am disappointed that jeejee died, even if I can see how his vote switching was suspicious.
Definitely going to be interesting to go back and look at his posts, I remember that he was very persistent at calling people out.
Don't see how you can be disappointed that a green who actively tried to fuck with the town is gone via the day 1 lynch. This was probably one of the best day 1 lynches in history.
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On March 14 2010 05:00 XeliN wrote:
In what way did he actively try to fuck with the town?
Well, he basically gutted the plan that was on the table, allowed mafia to swing under the premise of working with him and got the person with the shadiest vote list elected.
Do you honestly not see how that would cause problems or require the town to use a lynch or two to clear up?
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[QUOTE]On March 14 2010 05:49 Iaaan wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +On March 11 2010 13:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2010 13:42 JeeJee wrote:On March 11 2010 13:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 11 2010 13:25 JeeJee wrote:
so L, you're not an idiot, what do you think implying "hey I'm not green" is going to accomplish, pre-election? It appears that he is hoping to get into office based on "hey im not green" yeah but nobody's dumb enough to put any weight on that claim, so i'm just wondering what his real reason was for mentioning it. mindgamez'ing the mafia? Really? go look at the votes, and re-read a few posts in the last two-three pages. Its been enough to garner attention. Show nested quote +On March 11 2010 12:26 citi.zen wrote:On March 11 2010 05:04 L wrote:
I got a role that makes me want mayor. Mayor is DT checkable in this game, keep that in mind, so even if the other DT wants to check, he can, then the confirmed train can go to town. Mafia will be forced to burn through bodyguards, and if they have a member he'll become pretty obvious after the kill.
So yeah, I'm still planning on killing Bill Murray and I think I'm a pretty cool guy, so vote for me.
In terms of plans; You guys must be joking if you think that killing the town driver is a good idea. The town driver can literally swap mafia hit BACK AT MAFIA. ITS ABSOLUTELY BALLS OFF THE WALL AWESOME.
After I'm elected, I've got a small roleclaim based play to go with; I'll ask DTs to check certain people during the night so that we can get groups started. Should be a pretty simple game from there. Might as well roleclaim at this point so we can confirm you one way or another. Or not. You've said too much already and are a mafia target anyway. If you are DT I do not want you dead. that post for instance just goes to show. No one should be roleclaiming till after the election realistically. On March 12 2010 00:14 JeeJee wrote:
What in the world..
Back up, foos. Let's step back and think. We have a bunch of people who are claiming non-townie roles running for mayor. We already have PM claims going on (what the hell?). All this is going to lead to some stupid days 2-3.
L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . .
It doesn't add up, brah On March 12 2010 01:11 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2010 01:04 citi.zen wrote:On March 12 2010 00:41 XeliN wrote:
If Bill gets a vote and I end up with none I'm going to have to invest in some razor blades.
Out of all the candidates so far, apart from me cos I already know I'm town, Incognito seems to be the strongest candidate.
That said if BC//L are legitimately claiming blue roles and they do not get into office then they may end up being prime targets for the Mafia to hit so I would suggest medic protection on them might not be a bad thing until the DT's can verify, although I wouldn't put it past them to claim that just to try get into office whether town or mafia. I would probably vote for bill before you. However, there are two blue claims, so I must vote for one of those. However misguided their actions are to date. wrong wrong wrong why are you voting because they claimed they are not green? That is stupid. Anyone can do that, nobody can be verified. You should vote on those that seem the least scummy/most likely to be innocent. And yes they'll likely end up blue given the format but them claiming so should not be affecting your decision Look at the plans they've proposed, look at their participation in the thread and how they respond to other's questions. I wouldn't be voting for L if I were you [QUOTE] On March 12 2010 04:07 JeeJee wrote:[QUOTE] On March 12 2010 02:21 L wrote:[quote]L you are being quite scummy tbh right now. You have to consider the effect of having only blues run for office. It gives the mafia a list of blues, lawl. But surely you know that. Coupled with your "fun role" insinuation which is almost surely not a DT, I have to wonder what you're really doing . . . It doesn't add up, brah[/quote] Not really. It seems pretty obvious that a number of the people running probably aren't blue; I didn't tell people not to run if they're green prior to after pretty much all of the competitive candidates already threw their hat in the ring; the question is whether or not they think they should push for the role after thinking about the game format. This game format is interesting because despite the fact that the offices can be confirmed, they can also be easily disposed of because of the bodyguard issues. If cobbler's a DT, I think its best for him to push. If Incog is green, I think its better for him to just step out of the race. If bill murray.. well no one cares there. If one of us are mafia, we're getting elected; Period. The question would be which of the innocents is getting in? Its also possible that no mafia get in if they decide to simply not make a run for office, which happens too. The alternative position, again, is that someone who's green can run for, say, pardoner, then have himself killed in order to get an ordered roleclaim started. I find it unlikely that anyone besides me would have the balls to do this because: 1) Ver's not in the game. 2) Showtime's not in the game 3) Judge is not in the game. The key point, however, is that medics can prevent a lot of mafia kp from getting through; If the medic protects the bgs under attack, it would take 2 full turns to break through the bodyguards, then a doublestack to kill the office member in play. That however, relies on the ability of us to focus our only medic on the BGs, which means that roleclaimed non-office blues present us with protection problems; Unless we have a bus claim to a confirmed office member, we can't really protect both extra and intra office blues. This is why I didn't want people explicitly claiming, and that's why it didn't matter if I said people shouldn't run as green: the candidacies were already in and no one had claimed at that point, so we were ironclad. If you guys think that my refusal to tell you what role I am is presents some sort of odd scumtell; you're retarded. You guys simply haven't been thinking about how to win. There's more to mafia than not have town members die; you need to develop a plan forward with the aim of winning otherwise you lose. This game has no clues, it has no list checks, it has very little kp on both teams. Its going to last for quite a while, so think ahead to days 3-4. Unlike in previous games wherein the game is basically over by then, that's simply not the case here. I personally have a plan that's almost assured to have us win. Once elected, I want a DT check thrown at me with a PM once they know my role. At that point, it should be pretty obvious what I'm trying to do from the DT's perspective and the town will have a relatively safe way to roleclaim. That said, there's a potential mafia bus driver problem, but I can get around that if I'm elected by using our bus and a few pms. I'll explain further during the night, and I'll need a few people to trust me, but if everything works out the game's pretty much won for town. [QUOTE] On March 12 2010 04:29 JeeJee wrote:[QUOTE] On March 12 2010 04:24 L wrote:[QUOTE] On March 12 2010 04:17 JeeJee wrote:[QUOTE] On March 12 2010 04:10 L wrote:[quote]it's amazing how you can write so much yet say so little[/quote] Its amazing how you can write something and convey only a complete lack of reading comprehension. [/QUOTE] oh i completely understood everything you wrote. unfortunately there just wasn't that much to it, which is what i pointed out. sorry if that was too complex of a thought process for you[/QUOTE] Once again, you write something and convey a complete lack of reading comprehension. You sir, are impressive. [/QUOTE] you're not helping your case[/QUOTE] [QUOTE] On March 12 2010 23:52 JeeJee wrote:[QUOTE] On March 12 2010 11:47 L wrote:[QUOTE] On March 12 2010 11:44 JeeJee wrote:[QUOTE] On March 12 2010 11:29 johnnyspazz wrote:[quote]Someone said that I'm running on the basis that I'm blue: I'm not.[/quote] [quote]Greens shouldn't be running for office unless they plan on losing.[/quote]i i'm a little confused here [/QUOTE] it's true he's running on the basis that he has a role that makes him want mayor and is not green he's just basically leaving open the possibility to go "lulz im a not-aligned busdriver" [/QUOTE] Did you read what I wrote about being green? I would suggest that you check the part involving someone killing themselves with the addendum that says "the only player in this game who's ballsy enough to do that is L". Am I L? Oh, looks like I am. Hence if I'm running as green, I'm going to kill myself as confirmation in the part of a larger plan. 2+2.[/QUOTE] except you're not you have explcitly stated you're running for mayor, not pardoner you've also explicitly stated anyone running for mayor as a green is doing dumb shit and wants to lose. ergo, unless you're doing dumb shit and want town to lose, you're not green[/QUOTE]
Collection of Jeejee's important posts, which you should all read.
Jeejee is against L the whole game, supporting incognito. The only reason L is supporting this lynch is because of how Jeejee was making things difficult for him. Your not basing your opinion on real analysis, just emotions. He didn't gut the towns plans, just yours.
With BC, it looks like he never really agreed with Jeejee, and with L putting emphasis on his last minute vote changing, was pushed into lynching Jeejee. I'm a little disappointed with BC, if you actually read Jeejee's posts, it is very clear that it was not surprising at all that he vote for incognito. I'm sure the reason he waited until the end was because he expected the mafia too keep the votes on their candidate close, and that if he changed earlier, the mafia would simply switch a few of their members to their candidate. It has been said, if the mafia want their candidate to be elected, they will be elected.
Uh no. I supported this lynch because he's done by far the scummiest thing of the game.
Organizing a literal last minute vote swing without knowing that the people you're talking to are confirmed is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE way to cloak a mafia push.
So yeah if mafia wanted incog in, they just got him in. If they wanted BC in, this was an easy way to throw heat off of him. Bill Murray should be our next lynch target. Period.
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Oh fantastic, your quote fail made mine fail too.
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