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Original Message:
"I'm not pardoning anyone. "
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Original Message:
if the town lynches me, would you pardon me?
Bill, I don't remember saying this at all. If you can point me to the pm great. Otherwise this is just a pure lie and I have no idea why you wanted to post this.
The JeeJee lynch: was necessary. When you get a vote swing, kill the person who initiated it.
BGs. No use suspecting them now. If we try to lynch one of them and they turn out to be legit, we lose way too much. You can just use our deaths to figure out if they're mafia or not.
BG protections. Yes, I know that I randomly assigned before the BGs were assigned, as you can tell. But rethinking the situation, it is probably better that the medics randomly choose who to protect from among the two BGs. If not, mafia can get a free hit by killing the non-protted BG. We need to force mafia to double stack the offices to get to us.
Worried about a mafia bus driver? At this point, the mafia driver can attempt to switch off the medic prots, but then he would have to get in contact with the mafia for that to have any positive effect for the mafia. Which is highly dangerous at this point. A lot of people right now are inactive enough to look shady. Guys step up. Or, when you think you've found the mafia driver, let us know. Mafia driver probably won't be useful until a bit later in the game, or when a mafia is up for lynch. This is because if it is inevitable that a mafia will die to lynch, they can get in contact with the mafia driver before he dies. So at least for tonight, any mafia busses will probably not hurt us.
Incognito, I don't think I have seen you roleclaim yet. Is there any reason for that, now that you are protected?
Its night time. I can't die tonight. Mafia doesn't need more information. This can wait till day.
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BloodyC0bbler:
Vivi57
tree.hugger
Incognito
Zona
Fulgrim
Iaaan
johnnyspazz
CynanMachae
Did anyone else notice this?
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On March 14 2010 16:21 L wrote:
Yeah BC's pretty legit.
Sarcasm much?
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On March 14 2010 16:25 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:23 Incognito wrote:On March 14 2010 16:21 L wrote:
Yeah BC's pretty legit. Sarcasm much? Nope.
Why do you think the mafia are offing that list though? Seems like a bad idea unless they know all of these people are inno? Otherwise they're just exposing themselves.
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On March 14 2010 16:40 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2010 16:28 Incognito wrote:On March 14 2010 16:25 L wrote:On March 14 2010 16:23 Incognito wrote:On March 14 2010 16:21 L wrote:
Yeah BC's pretty legit. Sarcasm much? Nope. Why do you think the mafia are offing that list though? Seems like a bad idea unless they know all of these people are inno? Otherwise they're just exposing themselves. Low activity posters that aren't mafia are often blue. Vivi and Fulgrim posted very little during the first day and didn't really try to make themselves the center of attention. If mafia has a role they want dead right now, its the medic and bus driver. Once one of those are dead, they can start chopping away at the BG block and kill our DT. After the DT/medic die, the mafia 'clock' stops ticking, because the amount of confirmed townies stops growing and the chance that goons get outed starts going up. Given the low kp/round, the game is likely to go on for a while, which means that the effects of the medic, driver and DT are incredibly amplified.
Hmm ok makes sense. Though wouldn't it be easier to just burn through the BGs? Because if even if mafia hits both the driver and medic in one night, they still take 2 full nights to be able to access the elected officials. And I find that highly implausible. Burning through BGs would take 2 days with medics. Maybe one more if the driver intervenes.
But hey I've just noticed, Zona and Cynan. Traditionally, BGs have tried to hide under the radar in order to avoid being killed and exposing the officers. However, this game has the BGs out in the open. Given that BGs are only taken out of the green townies and non-GF mafia, there is no reason for you not to post. You do not need to hide because you are not blue. Mafia will probably want to kill you anyway, so you might as well make yourselves useful while you're here. You're already out in the open, so no reason to hide.
Yes, having the BGs posting more and being more pro-town might make the mafia want to hit them more, but hey, all you townies should be posting more. But only townies. If you are mafia, we don't need to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
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Important Announcement:
Foolishness. Yes, I haven't posted recently. Its the weekend, so I'm a little busier than usual. I have been around for the past few hours though. So yes I'm active. Yes it may look shady. But quite frankly, I'm disappointed and frustrated that every time I make a post in thread, I am ignored. Completely. Its not the mafia's fault, its the townies faults. So I have taken my activity and moved it into pm land.
A bunch of you have been responding to my pms thinking that I am just trying to fish for mafia. While that is a component of pms, it is not the only component. So stop being defensive about pms and thinking that I am accusing you. Answer the questions, and hopefully we can have a good discussion in private.
Why this switch? Because if I'm active in the thread and everyone ignores me, that is not useful activity. An everyone does ignore me. Every time I ask people to step up and explain something, nobody responds. Why is this? Because when people are addressed as a group, nobody feels that they are responsible, so nobody feels the need to respond. This has been shown in things like emergency response. So tying back into the game, when I point out an accusation, the mafia don't need to respond if nobody responds. They can just sit back and watch while the game stagnates. If they responded every time, it would attract unnecessary and unwanted attention.
So pms are better because it singles people out and makes them more inclined to respond. Makes them more willing to share their thoughts and feelings about the game, because they don't know who else is responding. As has been proven in the past, inactivity allows the mafia to hide. But how do the mafia know if its safe to hide? By observing the fact that other townies are also being inactive.
When I start a discussion with you in pms, you don't know if other people are active or not, so you feel the need to respond to not look suspicious. I get frustrated when townies don't want to cooperate and decide that its better to defend themselves when I ask simple questions. So if you're town, don't be afraid to talk to me in pms. I can't clear your name if you don't say anything or provide meaningful discussion. When I pm you its not like I'm accusing you of being mafia. Its that I want quiet people who are innocent to be inclined to prove their innocence, leaving me with a smaller pool of people to look at. Its that I want the mafia to be forced into talking for fear that everyone else is doing the same thing.
In conclusion, yes, pms are helpful to catch the mafia. But no, if you are town, you do not need to act uber defensive. I am not pming you just because I think you're mafia. I am pming you because I need more information if I am to determine your innocence. So please cooperate and allow me to help this town. Thank you.
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Abenson as a lynch candidate.
Well, I for one, do not like this at all. First off, its been over 24 hours. And nobody's said anything in defense of Abenson. The mafia have not come out to point out someone more suspicious. And quite frankly, Abenson is no more suspicious than in other games. If I were to categorize his posting behavior, I would say its the same as always. Useless one liners. Which yes, he did while he was mafia, but he also did it as town. There is nothing extraordinary in my opinion about Abenson's behavior. Which naturally puts him lower on my list than other potential candidates.
Which brings us to other candidates. Quite frankly, there's a lot. We can never be sure, but at the moment, I'm not comfortable at all with Abenson as a candidate. I would suggest Malongo and Sidesprang as alternatives. Both of whom have very few posts. Malongo has also gone mysteriously missing after his bid for office. Soon after posting, he was called out, and never responded. Which is always unsettling. Furthermore, he usually posts more material. Sometimes its not very useful material, but he always has some material. Either way, this is different for Malongo.
Sidesprang. Everyone is claiming excuses. Sidesprang is no exception. We only have one instance of sidesprang as town, which is BC's TL Mafia XVI. Where Sidesprang posts little, but at least he seems to be putting in some effort. From this game and last game where he was mafia, I don't see the same effort.
Right now, I'm going to vote Malongo. So Malongo, if you are around, please show up and convince me that you are town.
Oh also another note: Archives. Please keep up with them. I need them to keep the analysis going. A lot of people are falling behind on this and we still have four people who aren't participating.
People who have yet to make an archive post:
3. Malongo
9. nemY
10. sidesprang
11. Zona
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On March 15 2010 13:35 johnnyspazz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 13:19 Incognito wrote:
Abenson as a lynch candidate.
Well, I for one, do not like this at all. First off, its been over 24 hours. And nobody's said anything in defense of Abenson. The mafia have not come out to point out someone more suspicious.
they probably aren't defending him because it would make it too obvious that they are also mafia. no one of my team defended me last game when the clues clearly exposed me as mafia and i never publicly tried to defer suspicion away from my teammates when they were lynch targets but that was probably because i am a noob.
Yeah, I understand that, but also take note that there are no clues this game. If there were clues, I'd understand the mafia shunning someone they think too suspicious based on clues. But there are no clues this game. There is no compelling reason, psychological or otherwise that would make the mafia shy away from defending Abenson. We have plenty of good candidates. Mafia wouldn't have very much trouble trying to find one who's innocent to accuse.
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On March 15 2010 15:03 nemY wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 12:48 Incognito wrote:
Important Announcement:
Foolishness. Yes, I haven't posted recently. Its the weekend, so I'm a little busier than usual. I have been around for the past few hours though. So yes I'm active. Yes it may look shady. But quite frankly, I'm disappointed and frustrated that every time I make a post in thread, I am ignored. Completely. Its not the mafia's fault, its the townies faults. So I have taken my activity and moved it into pm land.
A bunch of you have been responding to my pms thinking that I am just trying to fish for mafia. While that is a component of pms, it is not the only component. So stop being defensive about pms and thinking that I am accusing you. Answer the questions, and hopefully we can have a good discussion in private.
Why this switch? Because if I'm active in the thread and everyone ignores me, that is not useful activity. An everyone does ignore me. Every time I ask people to step up and explain something, nobody responds. Why is this? Because when people are addressed as a group, nobody feels that they are responsible, so nobody feels the need to respond. This has been shown in things like emergency response. So tying back into the game, when I point out an accusation, the mafia don't need to respond if nobody responds. They can just sit back and watch while the game stagnates. If they responded every time, it would attract unnecessary and unwanted attention.
So pms are better because it singles people out and makes them more inclined to respond. Makes them more willing to share their thoughts and feelings about the game, because they don't know who else is responding. As has been proven in the past, inactivity allows the mafia to hide. But how do the mafia know if its safe to hide? By observing the fact that other townies are also being inactive.
When I start a discussion with you in pms, you don't know if other people are active or not, so you feel the need to respond to not look suspicious. I get frustrated when townies don't want to cooperate and decide that its better to defend themselves when I ask simple questions. So if you're town, don't be afraid to talk to me in pms. I can't clear your name if you don't say anything or provide meaningful discussion. When I pm you its not like I'm accusing you of being mafia. Its that I want quiet people who are innocent to be inclined to prove their innocence, leaving me with a smaller pool of people to look at. Its that I want the mafia to be forced into talking for fear that everyone else is doing the same thing.
In conclusion, yes, pms are helpful to catch the mafia. But no, if you are town, you do not need to act uber defensive. I am not pming you just because I think you're mafia. I am pming you because I need more information if I am to determine your innocence. So please cooperate and allow me to help this town. Thank you. I don't like getting PMs from random people, because more often then not, it's someone fishing for information and since I can't explicitly see what color the individual PMing me is, I can't exactly trust that individual now can I? The fact is from the sounds of your PMs, you and BC aren't working together which could suggest that one of you is in fact mafia (or that the two of you merely mistrust each other). Rather than asking me about my opinion of our beloved mayor who lurks in the shadows why don't the two of you post what you think about each other, oh glorious leaders of our town?
Oh, I'm a random person? 
Did you even read the post you quoted? It directly answers your fears. Even then, if you're green, why do you have to fear someone fishing for your role? Whats wrong with engaging in discussion?
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On March 15 2010 23:11 XeliN wrote:
Also can you post your reasons for Malongo publically
I did, and I have. Yes, I know its not a very substantial case. But for me, its more substantial than Abenson. The reason why is because Malongo is usually more active. Abenson, on the other hand, is usually a spam poster. So in the event that both of them are not being helpful to the town, I'd rather lynch Malongo than Abenson. While Abenson has generically suspicious behavior, Malongo has abnormally suspicious behavior, which I think raises a better case there. Further reasoning, as has been repeated, is that nobody questioned the Abenson train when clearly there are other equally good or even better candidates for lynch.
Anyway, at the rate that this is going, I am considering pardoning Abenson if he wins this lynch. Not because I am convinced of his innocence, but because I think you guys are just trying to bandwagon him to death.
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Back. So Versatile doesn't want to talk in pms, and she doesn't want to offer anything substantial in the thread too. Whats up? If you want to talk in thread here you have it. Its probably too late to talk about lynch candidates, so what do you think of BC? I am personally suspicious of his list he posted. Where most of the targets seem to lack any substantial reasoning. What do you think?
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On March 16 2010 08:34 ~OpZ~ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 04:08 citi.zen wrote:On March 16 2010 03:58 Versatile wrote:On March 16 2010 02:31 ~OpZ~ wrote:
Let's have a look how many people are attacking BC. Is he really that suspicious, or should we be taking a look at two people that have taken to trying to say he is worthless. That's bad for unity people.
who else said he's worthless? don't be grouping me up with anyone else, yo. and fcuk unity, wth is this the special olympics? are we in a queen latifah video? you don't get points just for trying, this isn't high school phys ed. loser. i think BC is playing shady, i think it's shady he was the last viable candidate in the pool for mayor and he somehow won with a convenient DT claim, and i think it's shady he still hasn't posted concrete info to prove he is in a fact a DT. all in all, there's quite a bit of trees in here, and i'm looking for the sunlight. Yeah, the ~Opz~ post was weird. "Unity" and too much shared information among unproven people is a bad thing. Everyone needs to play carefully until we get a breakthrough of some sort, either by catching a red or from the DT(s). When 4 people come a long and instantly pick shit with one person it just seems like they are trying to incite the mob of inactive townies to go after him. If Versatile and Foolishness equal mob, and go after BC by just saying he isn't doing anything, I think that's suspicious. Why not just pick some other random townie that ran for mayor to make a plan? Why put it on the guy that claimed dt? If he's truthful about dt it would make sense for the mob to want to attempt to get him distrusted. Kk? Get it now? Their are other suspicious people on here, let's look at them.
So who exactly are these "suspicious people"?
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On March 16 2010 08:37 L wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 08:20 Zona wrote:
L you are definitely not being helpful to the town. Unless you're trying to set up an elaborate trap of the sorts that usually don't succeed, your lack of clarity is not helping the town.
The town benefits from clarity - when players (both mafia and town) post their opinions and thoughts in a solid, clear manner. Their accusations and plans can later be examined to see if they were knowingly trying to protect mafia or advance the mafia's goals. Your posting is not clear and you are constantly denying that you held various opinions, as players try to interpret your posts. And you do not clearly stating what your actual positions are in return (beyond "lynch BM").
Furthermore, your vendetta against BM doesn't seem useful. You have indeed posted a few in-game reasons in favor for his lynch for it, but beyond your "case" have expressed your desire to lynch him out of animosity or reasons beyond how BM has performed in this game. Why this is unhelpful is that if BM is lynched and he turns out green, I suspect you will wash your hands of your position by falling back on "I didn't like how he played, even if he was townie" or something along those lines. I don't really give a shit what you think, tbh. Having blues claim in the open when there's no reason to believe them is a fucking dumb idea. And it isn't a vendetta. I decided to push at him pre-game because he's the type of player that does dumb shit and I wanted to see how he reacted when faced with actual scrutiny. He responded with a litany of mafia tells which is pretty much exactly what I expected. I've had three huge posts outlining exactly why BM is playing a classic "don't step on me" defense while adding very little to the town, yet people seem content to ignore it based on the fact that he had a few goons try to take a drive by against my reputation by saying that refusing to roleclaim was 'chaos inducing'. Are you serious? My positions are pretty fucking clear cut in my posts. The people who decide to pm me based on what I've written seem to get the picture, so why is it that the only people expressing doubts are unconfirmed 'town' members? I haven't tried to clear stuff up? Are you joking? I've spent no less than 15 posts doing exactly that. "Did you claim x?" "No, I'm not going to claim anything till I'm in office" "Did you claim y?" "I just told you no" "Did you claim Z?!" "You must be kidding" Perhaps you forgot that? I guess that would be hard for you because you were one of the main people doing it. And as for me washing my hands clean, didn't I offer Citi.zen the opportunity to kill me if BM flipped green? I'll restate that: Kill BM today, have him flip green, and I'll let you guys off me without a single word of protest and you can quote this post and everything. Every single factual statement you made in this post is wrong.
Why?
My feeling is that BM is vig or mafia. If he comes out and claims green one more time, I'd be ok with getting him shot. Though it is a bit late to switch the votes around.
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f5 f5 f5 f5 Ooh I guess I'm win? Lol.
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Early game, Bill seems innocent.
End of Day 1, he sounds more fishy. Especially after the "drunk" posts. And repeatedly emphasizing his greenness.
Day 2 lynch final moments, even more fishy. I like L's analysis. Now that I go back to it, yeah, its funny how Bill is pre-emptively trying to show his support in favor of Malongo's lynch before Malongo flips red. While also voting to lynch Abenson. If Bill wasn't suspicious before now, he sure is now.
Other thoughts: I find it interesting how Versatile brings up an ultimatum on BC. Then proceeds to viciously attack the fact that BC isn't announcing people he's checked. Then, when BC responds, Versatile disappears. Something is not right here. The way they're going at each other, I'm guessing one of BC/Versatile are mafia. The question right now is, which one? Good question. Atm BC can be tested more than Versatile given BC's claim.
Zona's strongly pro-town posts seem to make him a good target for the mafia. Plus, Zona is also a BG, so double the goodies for the mafia. This, in my eyes, makes Zona a strong target for BD or medic protection. Good job Zona for making yourself a clear pro-town BG. That just makes it harder for the mafia to decide who to hit.
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On March 17 2010 00:36 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 15:40 Incognito wrote:
Early game, Bill seems innocent.
End of Day 1, he sounds more fishy. Especially after the "drunk" posts. And repeatedly emphasizing his greenness.
Day 2 lynch final moments, even more fishy. I like L's analysis. Now that I go back to it, yeah, its funny how Bill is pre-emptively trying to show his support in favor of Malongo's lynch before Malongo flips red. While also voting to lynch Abenson. If Bill wasn't suspicious before now, he sure is now.
Other thoughts: I find it interesting how Versatile brings up an ultimatum on BC. Then proceeds to viciously attack the fact that BC isn't announcing people he's checked. Then, when BC responds, Versatile disappears. Something is not right here. The way they're going at each other, I'm guessing one of BC/Versatile are mafia. The question right now is, which one? Good question. Atm BC can be tested more than Versatile given BC's claim.
Zona's strongly pro-town posts seem to make him a good target for the mafia. Plus, Zona is also a BG, so double the goodies for the mafia. This, in my eyes, makes Zona a strong target for BD or medic protection. Good job Zona for making yourself a clear pro-town BG. That just makes it harder for the mafia to decide who to hit. uh, i went to bed. and now i'm checking the thread while getting ready for work. am i supposed to be reading this thread 24/7? you've been coming @ me in a very slick way all game long. you seem to love typing my name. remember when you asked me for my opinion on BC and asked me to post in here? well, i did. i don't remember you responding. were you planning to? are you going to elaborate on your suspicions of BC, especially since you've been "collecting intel" on him through PMs? you set that trap yet,buddy?
Don't worry this will be sorted out by tonight.
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i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor.
Keep in mind that the mafia know who the townies are, so BC as mafia could kill off people he knows 100% to be townies to make himself look legit if we're following your suggestion.
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On March 17 2010 01:11 Incognito wrote:Show nested quote +i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor. Keep in mind that the mafia know who the townies are, so BC as mafia could kill off people he knows 100% to be townies to make himself look legit if we're following your suggestion.
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^^ Whoops accidentally clicked post when I was trying to copy into the archives.
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On March 16 2010 01:19 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2010 23:24 Abenson wrote:
Hello, I am back and have gotten caught up with the whole thing.
I have realized that I am to be lynched if this goes on, but I think this is wrong.
This is because:
a) I have shown no obvious signs of being mafia so far, other than inactivity. I am still in high school and it's currently march break, so I'm generally off somewhere or playing Starcraft with my friends.
b) I, as myself, would not like to be lynched.
c) As someone have said, nobody has come to defend me yet, this means that the mafia or anyone isn't trying hard to save me. Therefore I think this is sufficient proof that I have nobody working with me.
d) As for the "dt's post their results" is because I think that it is perfectly logical; And also I really have nothing better to post at the time and wanted to contribute.
Finally, I would like to say that lynching someone simply because of lack of candidate is generally a bad idea. It is wasting valuable lynches and plus I haven't really done anything that is suspicious. the only time a DT should step forward is if they found a red. if they didn't, then there is no reason for them to put themselves in the limelight.
On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote:
also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.
mafia's weakness: numbers.
our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town.
On March 17 2010 00:50 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2010 10:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 16 2010 10:34 Versatile wrote:
also BC. wth is this trash about, "oh i found a townie, but i'm not releasing their name"?
that's bullshit. guess what? the mafia already knows who is town and who is mafia. this is not new information to them, but it is to us, the town. if you are a DT, and you found a green person, let us know so we don't, among other things, LYNCH THEM BY ACCIDENT.
mafia's weakness: numbers.
our weakness: information. so keeping things a secret is not useful to the town. The moment you go to lynch them I WILL TELL YOU SO. At the moment all I've cleared sadly for you are blues. I am not telling you who they are, and I have already confirmed I am in contact with a driver. You at the moment don't need to know more than that. You don't need to know who I am talking to at the moment either. This debate happened pages ago. It seems very interesting that the same people are pushing to get information on who I have cleared. If this was three days from now, when I have a larger list of people and takes time for the mafia to kill them all, possibly not a bad idea. Early on however means they can kill them faster than I can check. If they are green or blue is irrelevant. Soon as their name is down, mafia knows they are cleared. The fact you keep pushing this same idea is baffling. I get that you want me to prove my role, I do get it. By releasing a list of names for mafia to off however is insanely stupid. Your actions while challenging me are great. I do encourage the town to do so till I am proven, however, you constantly pushing for my death + publically giving all the information I have more implies that your not playing with the towns best interests at heart. Get off your high horse and stop demanding shit. DT info is fed via mouths, or in the case they get elected and proven (yes you can claim I'm not proven yet), they give what they can safely to town, and can give the rest to trusted confirms. first of all, stop crying. if you didn't want to be pushed or questioned, you should have never signed up for mayor. it's what comes with the territory. and it's not about me. it's also not about you. it's about what's best for the town, and you're sadly mistaken if you think you're doing what's best for the town. it's about to be day 3, and you haven't shown the town, in the thread, any definitive leadership. i understand that you don't want the mafia killing confirmed townies. however, if you were to announce player A and player B are townies to the town, and the mafia proceeds to kill them, guess what? the mafia just confirmed your innocence for the town. don't you get that? i mean, they're going to kill townies any way, they know who their own are. i think sacrificing 1 or 2 greens is worth achieving a confirmed DT mayor.at the moment that we know we can trust you BC, the game is over. you can get role claims from all of us, and end this. i cannot comprehend why it is almost day 3 and you have not made more movement on this. so, i apologize if it seems like i am "viciously attacking" you. that's not my intention. i just want answers from our leader.
Lets take a look at these three posts from Versatile. First, she agrees with BC's idea that DTs should only announce red checks. Second post, she decides that BC is pulling BS here when he decides to follow the plan that she agreed with. Third post, I guess she figures that her previous attempt to get BC to spit out the confirmed townies didn't work and is desperate to find another way? Her plan is flawed for obvious reasons stated above. I dont know, but why do you keep switching your views on things that seem like they should be policy no matter what your role? Something doesn't add up here. Care to explain?
Also, who do you suggest we lynch tomorrow? Did you read L's analysis of Bill Murray?
On another note,
On March 16 2010 10:31 Versatile wrote:
ummm, no @ BM.
i agree with whoever said malongo being red was luck. he wasn't even playing.
as for our next lynch target: town, if you don't recognize that someone between BC, L and incog is mafia, i will once again have to refer to the collective as a bunch of dingbats.
clearly, something is not adding up. at least one of them is mafia. and if we lynch one of them, we're guaranteed a red popping up.
my suggestion would be BC. and if incog threatens to pardon, we should kill incog first.
Downplaying Malongo's lynch. Which fine, it wasn't some awesome convincing analysis. But it was a successful guess. Would the mafia really risk starting a train on Malongo when he hadn't been previously discussed? Sure, he was inactive and a good target to gain credibility, but at this point, they have more issues to worry about then gaining credibility from lynches. Either way, you've mentioned repeatedly that it is self-evident that one of BC/me/L are mafia. In fact you keep saying this as if you're 100% sure that this is true seemingly out of nowhere. Stirring up the town based on a percieved false consensus here? BC's alignment can be tested severely. Yours unfortunately is a bit more difficult. But I guess I'll wait to comment further until you answer this post.
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