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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 10 2010 19:23 GMT
#201
There's a little girl who lives in my head who talks to me and sometimes I talk to her too. That little girl in my head said, 'That was a great paragraph,' I said, 'Yo, Lassie, I don't know if that was you who really wrote that, but that was pretty good if it was.' People who don't know any better might think I'm just talking to myself, but really it's the little girl - there are two of us.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 10 2010 19:25 GMT
#202
On March 11 2010 04:16 Versatile wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 03:36 Vivi57 wrote:
ok, with this format the detective should roleclaim and get elected as mayor. The second dt can check him on n1 to make sure he's legit. Yes, this leaves some possibility of gf getting mayor as a dt, but we should be able to see through fake role checks soon enough.

With a dt as mayor, we can amass a large group of confirmed townies and use that to win. Ignore anything ace says about lynching all claimers, this move is too powerful to ignore.


yes, the DT who we can't confirm should step up and claim it so we can elect him mayor.

and ace is not playing.

i can never decide if players who play this stupid are just that stupid or mafia who are just that bad.


if there are 2dts somehow, you can confirm the person claiming dt if he is elected. Second dt checks first 1, sees dt, and voila.

If someone speaks up and says they aren't a dt, you lynch either one of them, and your answer to that question is solved pretty fast.

Getting the dt lynched once elected prompts the mafia to basically suicide one member to off the dt, not a terrible trade off.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 10 2010 19:26 GMT
#203
On March 11 2010 02:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Do we have to wait till he puts up the day post for people to start running for office? or can we start playing before he puts it up?


So you're running for Mayor again...
靈魂交響曲
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 10 2010 19:30 GMT
#204
On March 11 2010 02:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Do we have to wait till he puts up the day post for people to start running for office? or can we start playing before he puts it up?


You can start running now, since roles are out. Plus, since clues aren't in this game the day post is kind of just a 'formality.'

Voting in itself does not start until 9:00 EST since I like segmented things, but campaigns can begin.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 10 2010 19:31 GMT
#205
On March 11 2010 03:30 JeeJee wrote:
awwwwright
lets get this show on the road
ETA on day1 post?


9:00 p.m. EST.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 10 2010 19:32 GMT
#206
yes, but we don't know if we have two DTs, and since we don't know, how do you verify the 2nd DT?

ie) GF claims DT.
gets elected mayor.
DT confirms him as "innocent".

and then mafia member steps up as "2nd DT". only person who can confirm him is the other DT, and by then it's day 2 and the mafia could have hit him, or maybe he decides to use his rolecheck on someone else. so you've got 2 mafia parading around as innocents, and one of them has 3 votes.

i'm just saying, there are too many holes, and it's too risky to elect someone based on just their roleclaim.

and personally, i just wouldn't trust a roleclaim that early, especially from a blue.

if it were me, i'd try to get elected, and if i did, THEN i'd come out and say, "AHA! gotchu hoes. i'm a DT/medic/etc".
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 10 2010 19:32 GMT
#207
roleclaiming dt to get elected is not the smartest of ideas, to put it nicely. you can't be seriously thinking that's a [s]good strategy at all. claiming on day 1 holds no value, anyone can claim anything and there's no way to verify it. so what's the point?

now working to get elected as DT, that's another matter entirely..[/b]
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 10 2010 19:33 GMT
#208
oops i messed up my tags. but basically I'm just agreeing with Versatile here (didn't even know she was playing, should pay attention to the ever-changing player list ...)
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 10 2010 19:38 GMT
#209
that should say, a supposed "blue".
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 10 2010 19:40 GMT
#210
A fake DT is going to get spotted rather quickly. Thats the issue the gf has is if he claims it, and doesn't perform insanellllly well. He dies. Not a good move for them.

I do agree rcing can be risky, but its not the worst idea we could be using.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 10 2010 19:41 GMT
#211
oh wait we can run for mayor already

I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR
Still wearing my golden vexing chain of justice that will rapeface mafia in the ... face. I will elaborate when I get home (about 4 hours).
But hey I'm amazing, fresh blood, and eager to get revenge for the disaster that was last game. What more do you need to know?
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 10 2010 19:50 GMT
#212
On March 11 2010 04:32 Versatile wrote:
yes, but we don't know if we have two DTs, and since we don't know, how do you verify the 2nd DT?

ie) GF claims DT.
gets elected mayor.
DT confirms him as "innocent".

and then mafia member steps up as "2nd DT". only person who can confirm him is the other DT, and by then it's day 2 and the mafia could have hit him, or maybe he decides to use his rolecheck on someone else. so you've got 2 mafia parading around as innocents, and one of them has 3 votes.

i'm just saying, there are too many holes, and it's too risky to elect someone based on just their roleclaim.

and personally, i just wouldn't trust a roleclaim that early, especially from a blue.

if it were me, i'd try to get elected, and if i did, THEN i'd come out and say, "AHA! gotchu hoes. i'm a DT/medic/etc".


I'o'no man, U surez ur tail be dift AFTa we piks da' pigz??!?
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
March 10 2010 19:52 GMT
#213
On March 11 2010 04:50 citi.zen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 04:32 Versatile wrote:
yes, but we don't know if we have two DTs, and since we don't know, how do you verify the 2nd DT?

ie) GF claims DT.
gets elected mayor.
DT confirms him as "innocent".

and then mafia member steps up as "2nd DT". only person who can confirm him is the other DT, and by then it's day 2 and the mafia could have hit him, or maybe he decides to use his rolecheck on someone else. so you've got 2 mafia parading around as innocents, and one of them has 3 votes.

i'm just saying, there are too many holes, and it's too risky to elect someone based on just their roleclaim.

and personally, i just wouldn't trust a roleclaim that early, especially from a blue.

if it were me, i'd try to get elected, and if i did, THEN i'd come out and say, "AHA! gotchu hoes. i'm a DT/medic/etc".


I'o'no man, U surez ur tail be dift AFTa we piks da' pigz??!?


you know chezinu may post nonsense but at least it's readable nonsense xD
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 10 2010 19:53 GMT
#214
Oh god Chezinu++.
Y_Y
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
March 10 2010 19:53 GMT
#215
Yeah citi.zen please don't make a habit of posting like this.
Adonai bless
Versatile
Profile Joined November 2008
United States396 Posts
March 10 2010 19:53 GMT
#216
On March 11 2010 04:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
A fake DT is going to get spotted rather quickly. Thats the issue the gf has is if he claims it, and doesn't perform insanellllly well. He dies. Not a good move for them.

I do agree rcing can be risky, but its not the worst idea we could be using.


how do you spot a fake DT? this guy could just claim that he invested person A and person A is a townie. i'm willing to bet there's 10+ townies, including the miller possibility. the GF would have a 50/50 chance of guessing a townie and being right and "proving himself". i understand your point, but my point is, why even put ourselves in the position of trying to determine that? i think that using this DT roleclaim plan lends itself to a greater possibility of a GF mayor.

we need plans. we need to elect the person with the best idea of how to win this game, not the guy who roleclaims the fastest.

screw all the idiotic, supposedly entertaining bids for mayor, with all the pictures and nonsense. someone who wants to lead should step up with a viable plan to win this game for the town, and the best/ smartest plan should be implemented, hopefully by the person who suggested it.

ie) if there were elected officials in the last game (and i were playing), i would have voted for 789.

even with all of that said, there is still the chance of the GF being our mayor. i'm just in favor taking the route that gives us a) the best chance of NOT having a GF mayor, and b) if we do have a mafia mayor, identifying him as quickly as possible by anti-town behavior.
"Over night The Conspiracy moves to eliminate a major threat to their plans. Many important officials are kidnapped and tortured, civilians are bombed and they use the spare ice to make delicious snow capped ice cream cones. Alas, someone has to die!"
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 10 2010 19:56 GMT
#217
On March 11 2010 04:52 JeeJee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2010 04:50 citi.zen wrote:
On March 11 2010 04:32 Versatile wrote:
yes, but we don't know if we have two DTs, and since we don't know, how do you verify the 2nd DT?

ie) GF claims DT.
gets elected mayor.
DT confirms him as "innocent".

and then mafia member steps up as "2nd DT". only person who can confirm him is the other DT, and by then it's day 2 and the mafia could have hit him, or maybe he decides to use his rolecheck on someone else. so you've got 2 mafia parading around as innocents, and one of them has 3 votes.

i'm just saying, there are too many holes, and it's too risky to elect someone based on just their roleclaim.

and personally, i just wouldn't trust a roleclaim that early, especially from a blue.

if it were me, i'd try to get elected, and if i did, THEN i'd come out and say, "AHA! gotchu hoes. i'm a DT/medic/etc".


I'o'no man, U surez ur tail be dift AFTa we piks da' pigz??!?


you know chezinu may post nonsense but at least it's readable nonsense xD


On March 11 2010 04:53 XeliN wrote:
Yeah citi.zen please don't make a habit of posting like this.


OMG - I'z B gettn fRamd yo!
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
March 10 2010 20:04 GMT
#218
I got a role that makes me want mayor. Mayor is DT checkable in this game, keep that in mind, so even if the other DT wants to check, he can, then the confirmed train can go to town. Mafia will be forced to burn through bodyguards, and if they have a member he'll become pretty obvious after the kill.

So yeah, I'm still planning on killing Bill Murray and I think I'm a pretty cool guy, so vote for me.

In terms of plans; You guys must be joking if you think that killing the town driver is a good idea. The town driver can literally swap mafia hit BACK AT MAFIA. ITS ABSOLUTELY BALLS OFF THE WALL AWESOME.

After I'm elected, I've got a small roleclaim based play to go with; I'll ask DTs to check certain people during the night so that we can get groups started. Should be a pretty simple game from there.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 10 2010 20:12 GMT
#219
As for mayoral elections.

I, BloodyC0bbler, am running for office.

With the setup of this game, and the fact elected positions can be RC'd, the elected positions are far more likely to end up in townie hands. This is a good thing, and I believe it is in our best interests to make sure town can get in.

I believe that I would be a good candidate because I have many games worth of experience, a few as an elected official, and others where I have have helped in the pinning of reds. I believe that from this experience I will be able to help the town quickly and hopefully bring about a swift end to the mafia.

The Plan:
The plan is simple. Whoever is elected (in this case I would love it to be me), but regardless, whoever is elected. The dt or dt's will both check the elected officials. I would say if your a dt and numbered 1-12 on the list, check the mayor, 13-25 check the pardoner. Instantly we have information. If they are a blue role you write it down. If they are red, speak up to someone (possibly wait a day to find a green person in a check). Reveal the findings, person dies.
If they are green, keep them on a seperate list.

Soon as you get two greens, RC them, and tell them who you checked and start a circle.
If you get blues. Keep that info to yourself until you need it proved. If you find a dt, make them check someone (most likely one you've checked to confirm), medic prot someone, vig hit someone, etc...

Anyone who flips red dies.

For all those who are not a dt. Constantly update your posts in the archive thread, and carefully analyze peoples posting behaviours. If you think something is a tell, or feel they are scummy, rather than just point a finger, really sit down and prove it. But be aware that if you cause the death of an important player and they flip town, you will prob quickly follow.

Medics, protect the bgs with your life. We will randomly pick one from the list of two, and then tell you to prot them.

Past protecting the bgs, no one talk to them in PM's, IM's, or IRC, period. They are not confirmable, do not associate with them. They can talk via thread, feel free to respond to them here, do not tell them anything.

Conclusion:
This game can be won very easily if we play it smart. I believe outside of my general plan to play, the reason I should be elected is I believe I will represent a threat to the mafia, which means they will have to actively try to remove me, which will give themselves away. If they don't I will continue to strengthen the town, and effectively force them to GG.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 10 2010 20:22 GMT
#220
On March 11 2010 03:31 Incognito wrote:
I vote for (insert whoever is winning here...)

3. You cannot autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon.

Go flamewheel! Easy lightning excuse!
Uff Da
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