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So Coagulation has come up with an idea that people can do some sort of service to the mafia forum as an alternative to sitting out games as a punishment (people can choose which punishment they would like, with the assumption being that they choose to sit out games unless they say otherwise). Flamewheel and I like the idea, but we are having trouble thinking of things people can do.
Coagulation suggested writing guides based upon the games. However, that only helps us if the guides are actually useful. This requires the player be good enough to explain what players should be looking at, and someone has to look at the guide and recognize that it is good.
So I'm wondering if there is anything else someone can do which would be equivalent to sitting out a game?
Flamewheel and I think this should only apply for inactivity bans and not disciplinary bans because of how problematic disciplinary bans tend to be.
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kitaman27
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Chaoser probably would be better with specifics, but maybe some help updating the library? Reading through old games and providing a summary or game recap might be useful to the community and maybe they can get something out of it in the process.
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I have the perfect solution. As de facto moderator of the mafia banlist I have decided to go drunk with power. I will remove 1 ban for every 3 months in which you let me own your signature. I will only take bids through PM's and I will only accept the top 3 bidders.
If you only have a 1 game ban and you give me 5 years of your signature I will use my god-like powers to credit you 19 game bans into the future, so that you can spam away, post in all caps and run amuck with your 19 lives.
It's kind of like mafia forum community service, except it's RoL service.
I am officially open for bids starting at 1AM EST.
Spread my message minions.
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One thing I'd suggest is coaching for a game, but this would also allow that game to instantly count towards your game total. Meaning, you agree to coach in a game, and then it counts instantly towards your banned game total. If this isn't enough, you could also make it worth two games or something, because you're sitting it out, and also coaching. In order to makes sure they're actually coaching, you could also anonymously or randomly select players to purposely ask for coaching in order to evaluate the person and make sure they're not just ignoring people. If that doesn't work, you could also ask people who plan on asking for coaching to PM the host on a volunteer basis. This is just to make sure the banned person doesn't shrug off their duties or not read the game, because it all takes place in PM, and will be hard to keep track of otherwise.
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There is also a problem with Coagulation's sit out. Before he was modkilled in XXXVIII, he joined Sleeper Cell Mafia as a replacement. After his ban, he said
On April 16 2011 05:48 Coagulation wrote:
Take me off replacements im gonna need to /out this.
in the Sleeper Cell game. (He has since edited the post slightly, so it looks slightly different in that thread now.)
As you can see, he asked me to take him off the list on the last page. However, that post I just linked was his only post to sit out the game. He did not post here and he did not send me any PMs about the game.
This was the rule posted on the OP when all this happened:
Not playing in a game is not the same as sitting it out.
To sit out a game, you must do one of two things during the signups of that game (assuming you are not currently sitting out a different game and the game in which you were banned has finished):
1. (Preferable) Send me a PM saying you are sitting out that game.
2. Post here that you are sitting out that game.
I have since added (so do not consider):
If you cannot point me to a post or PM clearly stating "I am sitting out XYZ Mafia," you are not sitting out that game.
So there are 2 problems with what Coagulation did:
1. He didn't post his sitout attempt in this thread or via PM to me (this rule is mostly a convenience to me because I don't like playing hide and seek with sitouts).
2. He didn't actually say he was sitting out the game. He just /outed.
Coagulation claims that he was /in as a replacement because he thought it was more likely he would get a blue/red role as a replacement rather than joining normally. Then he says he /outed to sit out his ban.
However, think about this from the perspective of a person who is busy but expects that they might have some free time after the game starts. They might sign up as a replacement. Then they find out that they will be busier than expected. They might /out. Coagulation's posts would 100% make sense for this. Just looking at his post, I have no reason to think he is sitting this game out.
Flamewheel and I don't see any reason to cut Coagulation slack on this. He didn't follow the rules. Also, this would set a precedent for my busy person to be able to retroactively get out of a ban.
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Oh yeah well then answer me this. If i didnt /out that game with the intention of sitting out my ban why wouldnt i have outed TL Mafia XXXIX.
Think about it.
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On April 16 2011 05:14 BrownBear wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2011 12:25 BrownBear wrote:On April 14 2011 11:14 Coagulation wrote:
Hey flamewheel why you such a fucking lier? Also, consider this your last warning. Any more personal attacks like this will result in modkill. This entire page.Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 11:19 Coagulation wrote:
No hes trying to not let town Mislynch but you guys are too fucking sheep to realize it. So, yeah, enough is enough. ![[image loading]](http://pubpages.unh.edu/~jmx93/images/angrybear.jpg) Coagulation The Mafia Godfather has been modkilled.
My only quibble with that is that he /outed a half hour after being mod-killed in XXXVIII, looking at the time-stamps. So, it seems more likely that the /out was prompted by the mod-kill than by any availability changes. No one knew his punishment then, but he would have to sit out games regardless, so it just depends on if the /out is good enough.
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On May 10 2011 11:09 Coagulation wrote:
Oh yeah well then answer me this. If i didnt /out that game with the intention of sitting out my ban why wouldnt i have outed TL Mafia XXXIX.
Think about it.
and dont tell me it was cause i wasnt around because im coaching in that game.
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On May 10 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:
Chaoser probably would be better with specifics, but maybe some help updating the library? Reading through old games and providing a summary or game recap might be useful to the community and maybe they can get something out of it in the process.
I would love help with the library. I just finished finals and am ready to spent more time on it and would love any help I can get. Old games need to be summarized, just like read through say what happened in the game and so on, no analysis. I also need role lists for some games that never publicized it.
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On May 10 2011 11:17 Coagulation wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 11:09 Coagulation wrote:
Oh yeah well then answer me this. If i didnt /out that game with the intention of sitting out my ban why wouldnt i have outed TL Mafia XXXIX.
Think about it. and dont tell me it was cause i wasnt around because im coaching in that game.
That's fine. However, you aren't addressing whether what you posted is good enough. Imagine someone else who posted exactly what you posted. Is that enough?
On May 10 2011 11:29 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 09:43 kitaman27 wrote:
Chaoser probably would be better with specifics, but maybe some help updating the library? Reading through old games and providing a summary or game recap might be useful to the community and maybe they can get something out of it in the process. I would love help with the library. I just finished finals and am ready to spent more time on it and would love any help I can get. Old games need to be summarized, just like read through say what happened in the game and so on, no analysis. I also need role lists for some games that never publicized it.
How much work is it per game? I want this to be a significant amount of work otherwise bans become meaningless.
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Im sorry i forgot to add the Word "SIT" in my post when i was sitting out my ban.
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On May 10 2011 11:44 Qatol wrote:
How much work is it per game? I want this to be a significant amount of work otherwise bans become meaningless.
Well the person would have to read through all the posts and days, finding the most important storyline of that day and also talk about, in a pretty simple way, why mafia killed so and so and why town is pushing this lynch or so. I'll do a few myself first to get a feel for it and probably write up a set way to do it.
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On May 10 2011 11:56 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2011 11:44 Qatol wrote:
How much work is it per game? I want this to be a significant amount of work otherwise bans become meaningless. Well the person would have to read through all the posts and days, finding the most important storyline of that day and also talk about, in a pretty simple way, why mafia killed so and so and why town is pushing this lynch or so. I'll do a few myself first to get a feel for it and probably write up a set way to do it.
This sounds good. Let me know if you need any help, and let me know when you have it the way you want it.
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Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
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On May 10 2011 12:26 GGQ wrote:
Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
NOOOOO GGQ!
;_;
You better come back as promised. gl with whatever it is thats going to be taking up your time.
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On May 10 2011 12:26 GGQ wrote:
Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
gl in all your endeavors, I hope to see you when you return.
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1. It still wasn't here or via PM to me like the OP says to do.
2. This is still about a long-standing policy. I want to know if the post you made where you made it is acceptable to people.
On May 10 2011 12:26 GGQ wrote:
Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
Good luck with life. Thanks for being such a nice/good player.
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Qatol I would like you to remove me from the ban list. I indicated proof that i was intending to sit out sleeper cell mafia for my ban. If thats not enough you have also taken the time to discuss it with me before i had given you my proof that i was intending to sitout sleeper cell for my ban list and verified that i was in fact intending to sitout sleeper cell for my ban.
If you are persuing me being banned still on the technicality that i forgot to post "Sit" in the sleeper cell thread to designate that it was my ban then I dont know what to tell you. You want to punish me for making a mistake in protocol?
To answer your question. If someone doesnt designate they are sitting out a game with a "sit" in thread they should have to give some evidence to backup that they intended to sit out the game. much like i have provided.
I think if you used a little common sense there wouldnt even need to be a discussion.
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I mean, coag said he was sitting out in game thread, just not here, he didn't even play in XXXIX. I say take him off the list.
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