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I say taking Coag off the ban list is the right move here. He made his intent to sit out Sleeper mafia clear it seems, so I don't see the reason for any conflict besides a bureaucratic mistake in not posting in this thread.
As it is, he hasn't played in Sleeper, and has coached in XXXIX instead of playing because Sleeper was not finished when XXXIX began. This all appears in line with someone waiting for a game to end so that they can be taken off the ban list. I feel it would be unfair to make him sit out PYP as well, when he has shown that he /outed Sleeper Cell, meant it to be his sit-out game, and acted completely in accordance with that.
Maybe we can add the rule for sitting out games and having to post in this thread and/or PM yourself to the game OP template with the modkill section so that it is made clear when someone reads the OP what they must do to sit out a game.
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On May 10 2011 13:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Maybe we can add the rule for sitting out games and having to post in this thread and/or PM yourself to the game OP template with the modkill section so that it is made clear when someone reads the OP what they must do to sit out a game.
I thought this was already pretty clear. How would you rephrase it?
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hes talking about in games.
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I just meant add it to the OP in games, so that when people go to write /sitout in a thread, and read the OP, they'll see that they have to post here as well, or PM yourself.
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Yeah, I thought this is a bureaucratic mistake more than anything else. I co-hosted sleeper and I thought he was sitting it out by his post in the thread and I took it as such. Dunno how iGrok feels
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So you want the OP to be longer? Could you post a proposed change in the model OP thread?
Also, considering the posts I'm seeing (and Coag's post in XXXIX which I did not know about until he just posted it), I'll take him off. Does anyone have a problem with me being strict about this in the future though? (with the following change to the OP - "If you cannot point me to a post or PM clearly stating "I am sitting out XYZ Mafia," you are not sitting out that game."). This should show that it is a hassle to play hide and seek through 3 threads to figure out where Coag said he was sitting out a game.
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On May 10 2011 12:26 GGQ wrote:
Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
Aww I <3 U :D. I'll alway remember you for saving me in HP  . Good times... well gl with rl man.
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On May 10 2011 12:26 GGQ wrote:
Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
later GGQ, gl with your shit man
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yeah Coag should definitely be taken off the list. But at the same time, for the future every ban/sit request should be posted in this thread.
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On May 10 2011 12:26 GGQ wrote:
Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
I LOVES YOU GGQ! GOOD LUCK IN YOUR SHIT!
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On May 10 2011 12:26 GGQ wrote:
Alright, it's been a slice guys, but I'm out. With my new schedule I just can't play enough to actually be effective and enjoy the game. I might be back sometime, but it'll be a few months at least. Thanks for the good times, keep sleuthing.
Oh, I'll be sticking around to finish Survivor, of course. I intend to win that game ^^.
Well good luck, and looking forward to seeing you again soon! 
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Qatol, how about BC helps me with posting up the rolelist and day/night posts for the next four/five games in the Library and you clear his ban so that he can play in PYP insane? It takes about an hour and a half for two games, especially given that some of the earlier games sometimes didn't post rolelists or the day/night posts weren't referenced very well.
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On May 10 2011 10:02 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
One thing I'd suggest is coaching for a game, but this would also allow that game to instantly count towards your game total. Meaning, you agree to coach in a game, and then it counts instantly towards your banned game total. If this isn't enough, you could also make it worth two games or something, because you're sitting it out, and also coaching. In order to makes sure they're actually coaching, you could also anonymously or randomly select players to purposely ask for coaching in order to evaluate the person and make sure they're not just ignoring people. If that doesn't work, you could also ask people who plan on asking for coaching to PM the host on a volunteer basis. This is just to make sure the banned person doesn't shrug off their duties or not read the game, because it all takes place in PM, and will be hard to keep track of otherwise.
This. And retroactively, so that BC can play in PYPI. I can vouch for his active coaching in the past.
This would help with the vet problem where active vets are on the ban list.
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On May 10 2011 14:14 chaoser wrote:
Qatol, how about BC helps me with posting up the rolelist and day/night posts for the next four/five games in the Library and you clear his ban so that he can play in PYP insane? It takes about an hour and a half for two games, especially given that some of the earlier games sometimes didn't post rolelists or the day/night posts weren't referenced very well.
I was under the impression BC was gone? Has this changed? He needs to PM me if it has.
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Omg GGQ quit whinning and just sign up for a game when you feel like you have time again, don't go all hankerchief on us (besides Imma win survivor!)
<3
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I was just thinking, what about replacements? If there is need for one, wouldn't there be a no risk policy with that as well? If someone is banned or in another game, there is generally nothing to lose signing in anyone if a modkill is in order. Perhaps certain players can offer it privately to the host, and if they accept and the situation arises, the host can ask the players if putting in that particular person is alright or if they would rather a modkill instead.
just thinkin out loud
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Adding to the other ways to remove bans concept, I think you could possibly accept hosting as a way to remove games. Of course, this would only apply to players already eligible to host, and possibly who already have experience hosting, and then hosting a game could count for ~two games, because it is essentially sitting out, with the extra effort of running the game.
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The only problem I have with that is that someone who goes inactive in game is liable to go inactive while hosting.
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Sitting out PYP Insane because I was not allowed to sit out XXXIX.
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On May 11 2011 07:03 Rean wrote:
Sitting out PYP Insane because I was not allowed to sit out XXXIX.
Sure. Updated.
On May 11 2011 06:15 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Adding to the other ways to remove bans concept, I think you could possibly accept hosting as a way to remove games. Of course, this would only apply to players already eligible to host, and possibly who already have experience hosting, and then hosting a game could count for ~two games, because it is essentially sitting out, with the extra effort of running the game.
I had thought about this in the past, but rejected it because normally it takes longer to host a game than to just sit out one (on average, it takes about 3 weeks of thinking/talking to make the OP before the game is even created, more if the setup is goofy). I like that it forces people to look at the game from a host's perspective and understand how frustrating it is to have a player do something to get themselves modkilled.
How big of games are you thinking about? Also, I agree with Meapak's concern about these hosts going inactive. We don't want another Sengoku Mafia.
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