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RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 15 2011 21:51 GMT
#1161
No, because what if I don't like you coag? Then I can just vote against giving you any sort of reprieve even if you are a "vet" so to speak. And if we leave it the way your suggesting a host just has to choose not to ban anyone who is a vet which is stupid. Inactive SHOULD be punished, but there should also be leeway.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
March 15 2011 22:22 GMT
#1162
I don't even understand what there is to discuss. The hosts asked for a ban. Veteran, reasonable, hosts, who contribute a lot to this forum. Just deal with it, it's not that hard to sit out a game. Repeatedly triple posting in this thread without making a serious argument is not the way to go.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 15 2011 22:37 GMT
#1163
Well, Citizen I am not arguing this because I want coagulation in a game. I have just always thought this and figured I would finally bring it up around now. For example I have had a warning for like a year now. So if I ever get mod killed I can't play in 2 games. Which is stupid considering how active I have been a year. With time some mistakes should be forgiven which is all this idea is offering.
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
March 15 2011 23:01 GMT
#1164
I'll vote warning for all people involved with Diplomacy too, if only because having that many people on the banlist really hobbles the next few games (and especially since I'll be running a 40-man setup, having as many people as possible would be very helpeful).
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PsYchOFisH
Profile Joined July 2009
8 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 23:39:47
March 15 2011 23:36 GMT
#1165
On March 16 2011 08:01 BrownBear wrote:
I'll vote warning for all people involved with Diplomacy too, if only because having that many people on the banlist really hobbles the next few games (and especially since I'll be running a 40-man setup, having as many people as possible would be very helpeful).

Why is this even a concern? They were inactive. They got modkilled for it. It shouldn't matter if it is 1 or 10 people, you can't change the rule just because you are worried about having people in your game.

On March 16 2011 07:37 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Well, Citizen I am not arguing this because I want coagulation in a game. I have just always thought this and figured I would finally bring it up around now. For example I have had a warning for like a year now. So if I ever get mod killed I can't play in 2 games. Which is stupid considering how active I have been a year. With time some mistakes should be forgiven which is all this idea is offering.

You exaggerate. It hasn't even been 9 months yet. And what has your warning done to you during that time? Nothing at all! I'd be okay with removing warnings after a year or something, but I don't really think this is a problem right now.
aka Qatol
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 15 2011 23:52 GMT
#1166
Why is this even a discussion anymore?
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 15 2011 23:53 GMT
#1167
haterrrr
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Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 00:36:46
March 16 2011 00:04 GMT
#1168
As long as the punishment is the same for everyone, I'm fine with deferring to the host on this (for diplomacy).

I want to bring up some other things from rol's game: players who just skirted the inactivity threshold, almost deliberately.

ohn:

Made 11 posts in 5 game cycles... Also did not post from:

February 28 2011 09:35. to
March 03 2011 11:43.

If he was way more active overall I wouldn't care if he missed 3 days completely but 11 posts in 5 game cycles says it all. His history is frankly awful too. He's pulled this at least twice before, getting modkilled both times and having like <5 posts the entire game as town and as mafia. TBH I have no idea why he even plays but it's frustrating having him in the game.

Also can we have an overall increase in inactivity restrictions. I thought Ace had the right idea with 1 post every 24 hours and mandatory voting, but with some leeway if you are an active contributor. I mean no need to modkill someone who misses 24 hours because of something external but has made a hundred substantial posts, but I don't see any reason to allow these dumb lurkers of just sitting there with 1 post a day or whatever.

Lastly, can we remove the ability to abstain and vote for yourself. This not only prevents the dumb lurking garbage but it also forces people to actually take a stance/have an opinion. I don't think anyone enjoys sorting through lurkers or seeing LD vote himself 4/6 days and post nothing else, or Jbright trying to get himself killed when he's green.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
March 16 2011 00:07 GMT
#1169
So many conflicts of interest here...Adding exemptions aint going to help any.

With that said, I'd agree with Ver for stricter activity restrictions.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
March 16 2011 00:30 GMT
#1170
Ver is our god.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
Foolishness *
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3044 Posts
March 16 2011 02:13 GMT
#1171
I think being able to abstain or vote for yourself are actions that should be allowed in a mafia game. In my opinion abstaining says way more about a person than if they vote for someone else (wasn't there a mafia game where a DT vote checked the abstainers and 50% of them were mafia?). And voting for oneself has always been allowed, and I find it handy in certain situations in real life mafia (when I'm traitor trying to get myself lynched hyuk hyuk hyuk).

Obviously there is an inactivity issue to address, but I don't think removing these elements from the game is necessary. And anyways lots of hosts don't allow people to abstain to begin with, so ultimately it is up to the host what's allowed in terms of voting.
geript: "Foolishness's cases are persuasive and reasonable but leave you feeling dirty afterwards. Kinda like a whore." ---- Manager of the TL Mafia forum, come play!
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-16 02:16:42
March 16 2011 02:16 GMT
#1172
On March 16 2011 09:30 flamewheel wrote:
Ver is our god.

Blasphemy!
[image loading]

EDIT: NOOOO LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! MY REAVER!!!!!
Uff Da
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 16 2011 02:21 GMT
#1173
On March 16 2011 11:13 Foolishness wrote:
I think being able to abstain or vote for yourself are actions that should be allowed in a mafia game. In my opinion abstaining says way more about a person than if they vote for someone else (wasn't there a mafia game where a DT vote checked the abstainers and 50% of them were mafia?). And voting for oneself has always been allowed, and I find it handy in certain situations in real life mafia (when I'm traitor trying to get myself lynched hyuk hyuk hyuk).

Obviously there is an inactivity issue to address, but I don't think removing these elements from the game is necessary. And anyways lots of hosts don't allow people to abstain to begin with, so ultimately it is up to the host what's allowed in terms of voting.

It was the non-voters and most of them were inactive. They would have been modkilled in a modern game. Voting for yourself has NOT always been allowed. It is actually a relatively recent phenomenon. However, I agree that it should be left up to individual hosts. However, I think I will start suggesting it if the PM me asking for help balancing their games.

I agree that there is an inactivity problem, but I'm just not sure where the line should be drawn. I feel like no matter where you draw the line, someone is going to do just barely enough to avoid a modkill and nothing else. I also think they will screw up eventually and that will be the end of the problem (for example, ohN already has 2 bans, so I don't really see him lasting much longer around here if he keeps playing like that).
Uff Da
LSB
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5171 Posts
March 16 2011 02:22 GMT
#1174
Happy 2000! Welcome to the land of the best unit ever made
Once is an accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is an enemy action. Bus Driver can never target themselves I'm sorry
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
March 16 2011 02:53 GMT
#1175
On March 16 2011 11:22 LSB wrote:
Happy 2000! Welcome to the land of the best unit ever made

Me and my bro RoL still stuck with the worst looking unit ever made.
chaoser
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States5541 Posts
March 16 2011 02:57 GMT
#1176
When's the next upgrade? I just got my tank <3
Haven't you heard? I'm not an ex-progamer. I'm not a poker player. I'm not an admin of the site. I'm mother fucking Rekrul.
annul
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2841 Posts
March 16 2011 03:23 GMT
#1177
On March 16 2011 01:16 deconduo wrote:
If you are on a road with a 50mph limit but everyone is going 70, if you get caught you can't turn around and say 'everyone else was doing it too'.


actually in very certain situations this is a valid legal defense.
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
March 16 2011 03:30 GMT
#1178
On March 16 2011 11:16 Qatol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 09:30 flamewheel wrote:
Ver is our god.

Blasphemy!
[image loading]

EDIT: NOOOO LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO! MY REAVER!!!!!


Lol yes I want to be a reaver forever. Riivorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
LunarDestiny
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States4177 Posts
March 16 2011 03:34 GMT
#1179
I heard that if you make a comprehensive post on how much you hate your icon. TL trolls (mods) will make your icon permanent...

or make you a probe.
RebirthOfLeGenD
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
USA5860 Posts
March 16 2011 04:15 GMT
#1180
On March 16 2011 11:53 LunarDestiny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2011 11:22 LSB wrote:
Happy 2000! Welcome to the land of the best unit ever made

Me and my bro RoL still stuck with the worst looking unit ever made.

Yet you are going to betray me in 35 posts.
Bitch.
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