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how could you possibly know that gambino killed ver? | ||
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Here's how johnnyspazz rolechecked me. I'm still waiting for an answer, although it's irrelevant now. If johnnyspazz really was a Gambino, a simple "Yes" would've sufficed, since that would've implied that clues of Ver's death would lead to a Gambino, which by general consensus we want to protect. Instead he this is a load of bullshit cause why would i trust you to be town? LOL NIKON GG | ||
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also plz keep me alive sumiyoshi after this night, it will prove i am gambino finally | ||
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On February 25 2010 17:04 Nikon wrote: Addendum: Remember how there were only 4 kills with a total mafia KP of 5 last night? johnnyspazz was hit by the Gambino, but got protected. why would a medic effing protect me hahahahahahaha | ||
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Ver, I'm not entirely sure lynching BC is a very good idea. While I agree with you on the election post, consider the thing about BC is that he's very good at identifying people's roles and the like. We ideally should keep him alive as long as possible. Even if he is scum, you'd consider that he would likely focus on the other mafia, and this gives us two things: a) dead mafia on the other family b) a free kill for a vig or lynch on his family. More importantly, we can trace some of his support if he is indeed scum, which may give us more information. It all depends on what he can do for us. Of course, if he's town affiliated, he can only benefit us. I submit that we lynch random people for the first lynch like we usually do. You never know, we may get lucky. Lynching strong players right now could really hurt the town, especially without any information. Of course, it may also cripple mafia as well, but I'm not sure we should take such a risk right now. + Show Spoiler + okay, i've taken a nap and am now refreshed slightly. So let's go over the intricacies of this game. One thing that everybody seems to mention but nobody ever seems to truly appreciate is how exactly we should go about getting the mafia to swing each other. However, back in Ace's mafia world, which was the last game to feature two mafias (albeit with much higher kill numbers) I had concocted a plan which could abuse the fact that there were two mafias through information. Of course a certain somebody that shall not be named did something that destabilized the whole game (and therefore my plan) but that's not important. Those who have access to that plan can probably look it up but because it may still prove to be useful I will not post it in public just yet. As it stands right now, mafia is in a similar position to town. Unlike in most games, where mafia knows all their opponents, and just needs to worry about taking down special roles and good players, in this case mafia has to be careful . They need to not over extend themselves and weaken town and opposing mafia simultaneously, as too much attacking on one side could expose them to an attack by the other. At the same time, town needs to be wary of a mafia attacking another mafia and inflicting severe amounts of damage. However, don't forget that if this is the case it is very possible that the other mafia and town could come together to "team up" against the original mafia. Thus, we know that mafia will need to play cautiously. However, it is also possible that mafia will team up like they did in the last one, and just rape town senseless. We need to be careful for signs that this is the case (i.e. no or one/two mafia get hit) A good way to counter this, I suppose, would be to simply start grouping players together. It doesn't matter how, just group them together. I highly suspect mafia will be careful not to over extend themselves in each group and may have only one or two people infiltrate. But that gives us an idea of how to start-namely, that each group undoubtedly has a few mafia present, and thus we could potentially use our role checks there to begin whittling down the numbers. Once we clear out the infiltrators we can likely vet the group as a whole to be innocent. The other thing we should do, however, is use mafia's kp against each other. If we manage to find out a few mafia, we shouldn't immediately kill them or have vigs hits on them, but rather force each mafia to devote hits to killing those other mafia. In fact, if the numbers are getting lopsided, it may be in town's interest to protect those mafia. These are just some rambling thoughts about what we should do first. + Show Spoiler + I guess I have to be the voice of reason again... First of all, why are we voting for citi.zen? Just because he did a good job "last" game doesn't mean he's going to be a good candidate this game. Ace and Qatol, for instance, fell into this exact same mentality, and look what happened? They both turned out scum. Anybody that asks you to vote for them solely on past experience is clearly trying to abuse that factor or doesn't have any other redeeming qualities. We should instead concentrate on voting for people who have a defined idea of what they're going to do. Remember: in this game, the mayor doesn't play the role that he does usually. I was the head of the town in the last game that featured two mafia (Ace's Mafia World) and I can assure you that having to deal with two mafias radically changes the game. The mayor's role here is solely going to be the ability to know all the bodyguards and to get town circles rolling. It is obvious that no matter who wins that there will be at least some mafia posing as bodyguards, purely because of simple game theory: If the mayor isn't affiliated with mafia a, then it must be a townie or mafia b, in which case the mafia will place bodyguards to expose them to night attack, etc. The very fact that mafia will definitely have at least some bodyguards present-even if town realizes this it is unlikely that mafia would be so willing to forego a chance at taking out an opposing mayor. Thus, the mayor's role, assuming a townie gets in, is to try and organize town so as to search the bodyguards. Mafia don't have as strong of an incentive to kill DTs right now because DTs are a great way to get the roles of the opposing mafia. Thus, DTs can feel safe to check the bodyguards and the mayor should allow the DTs to get the bodyguard list. The problem is finding a way to get the DTs to contact the mayor while avoiding infiltrators posing as DTs to do role checks. But I think the risks for infiltration are too high-at best they will get one enemy mafia, and at worse will lose the infiltrator-a trade that I think will not be worth it. While I'm not saying it's not possible, I'm saying the incentives are too strong against it to make it worthwhile. Once the BGs have been cleared of scum, a town circle could be created solely among the BGs, and other secured townies. If BGs start dying like flies the mayor instantly becomes suspect and so we can remove him that way and get a kill. At that point, the remaining BGs lose their role usefulness, so it will not hurt town significantly. This is I think a rough start of what the mayor should do to set up a town circle and prevent mafiasos from trying to turn us too much from one side to the other. + Show Spoiler + On February 15 2010 09:37 Caller wrote: That's just it though: in this game the DT doesn't have to worry about dying as much purely because Mafia has a fixed, low KP, and we have medics. Suppose a DT roleclaims publicly that he is a DT. The mafias can't afford to hit him in the event that he is an actual DT because they will lose a KP that would be better served hitting an opposing mafia. More importantly, since mafia don't have to kill town to win, they don't need to hunt down all the blue roles immediately-in fact, they would like to have a DT to give them role checks to narrow down their search for the opposing mafia. So there's no real need for the DT to fear, especially because we have enough medics to negate any deaths. I already explained why its unlikely for mafia to pose as a DT purely because there's too much risk and not enough reward for the mafia team because there are two mafias. The game changes completely in this scenario so a lot more can be done than in a normal town vs. one mafia game. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 05:10 Caller wrote: Seriously, what is the point of updating those things? Who cares about numbers, people can post as much or as little as they like. Obviously the mafia won't be stupid and have all their members be constantly active in case they slip up, nor would they all pretend to be inactive. They would likely be distributed throughout the activity spectrum, so just making lists of how many posts people made is ludicrous. You could just summarize it as this: Active posters - DoctorHelvetica BillMurray Chezinu Redtooth Meeple Ace L Iaaan BC I dunno some of the newer players very well so I can't pass judgement on their actions. Of course we would expect some of the "veteran" players to say lots of shit cuz that's how they roll. People with wise things to say Zato-1, Redtooth (just a lil') Foolishness (especially the part about people spamming shit),~Opz~ I think ~Opz~ always has valid points. I remember when I was running Red Army Mafia that he nailed a lot of people on clues, even if nobody listened to anything he had to say. everyone else seems to be talking random shit if you ask me ~~~ + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:13 Caller wrote: i'm pissed that nobody's listening to me as usual and it seems that everybody else in the game has adopted the "troll the fuck out of the mafia thread until someone slips up" strategy. Not that the strategy doesn't work, but when everybody does it just causes useful posts like Zato's to get buried underneath steaming piles of shit. i mean what else is there to say right now. no dts have come forth, despite me saying that it's unlikely dts will die even if they rc. Similarly, the mayor hasn't even been elected yet and we don't even know the identity of the BGs. I have a plan for that but I don't want to reveal it just yet until after the election. We've had a few roleclaims from PMs, apparently, but most of those appear to be phishing. DoctorHelvetica and Bill Murray are spamming the thread full of shit, which, while I'm not sure if they're mafia or not, in the event that they're not makes them stupid townies. this game is just really frustrating for me. I'm surprised that Ver, my second-in-command in ur mafia game, hasn't had any real insights on how to abuse the two mafias against each other, especially when he helped pipe in on the plan (that ultimately fell through thanks to a certain somebody). You also haven't had any real insights either, other than trolling the fuck out of the thread. I can't really blame anyone else to be honest, especially since MTF, Camlito, and all the other experienced players in that game aren't in this one. Instead, we're relying on the mafia game equivalent of trench warfare to deal with the two mafia blitzkrieg. Unless there's some townie circle that I'm not privy to, I really don't see much else that I can contribute at this point in time. rageeeeeeeeeee /end rant + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:20 Caller wrote: I know chezinu made some pretense at roleclaiming DT. But I have no idea if he was kidding or not, nor did he make any effort at trying to rally people around him, nor did he offer to have someone checked. He just pointed some fingers and put some fancy colors on his postingz. you gotta walk the walk if you gonna talk the talk + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:26 Caller wrote: Did you even read my post? I already stated very clearly that there is absolutely no incentive for mafia to kill DTs right now, or as long as the balance of power between the two mafias is maintained. None at all. Mafia have no method of identifying other mafia at this stage this early in the game. They want DTs to clear up suspects on their lists. Mafia don't have to kill a single townie this game in order to win, either. And I doubt a godfather would expose themselves this early. Why would they care about townie circles? Again, I stated multiple times that all mafia has to do is kill the other mafia. Infiltrating townie circles is a lot less useful than it is in games with just one mafia. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:34 Caller wrote: a) lies b) truths, but still it'd be nice to have them along. Now that I think about isn't Fishball here? Or is he afk troll again? c) I see malongo is playing, hmm d) While this statement surely is true, if you're putting KP against DTs, that's KP that can't be used against potential mafia suspects. I'm not sure if Mafia would be willing to forego that KP when the other mafia can just as easily put all their hits and possibly do more damage to the first mafia. KP is too important in this game to be wasted on town players (even DTs) when the other side can take advantage of this fact and hit them. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 06:37 Caller wrote: First of all, why would we posts lists of confirmed mafia? This isn't Ver's "medics stay away" list, and we don't have listchecks either. More importantly, if we find out that they are all the same members of the same family, we can very easily turn all our efforts into hunting down the other family to restore the balance of power. It's very easy to adapt to a change in circumstance like this. + Show Spoiler + On February 16 2010 07:11 Caller wrote: your many traps that you lay appear to be just subtle trolls to provoke responses. I'm not saying that they're not valid sources of information, I'm just saying they're trolls designed to trip people up. It doesn't really help establish order in the town is my concern. + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2010 10:16 Caller wrote: Time for Caller's shitty clue analysis: I think the most interesting things here are the fact that this is likely the same mafiaso that was really "bright" in the day 1 post. Since Empyrean was dead and green, this clue must point to somebody else. Now before anyone mentions it, I'm going to immediately say that if this clue points to Amber[Light], I'm going to cut myself. This intruder I would guess to be some kind of a ninja, considering that a) the mafiaso was able to get there quickly, killed Zato with sharp objects (shurikens, anyone?) and was nowhere to be seen, although there was a hole behind the door, which could have been something else. I'm honestly a little bit confused about this clue. I'm guessing that the clue here is the miniature sphinx, but I have absolutely no idea whose profile this points to. This mafia appears to be killing with the white particles, of course. I would guess that the particles are anthrax or something like that, or it could be some kind of pollen or allergies? I would guess that this mafiaso isn't necessarily a team person or someone that has multiple people in their profile, but has more to deal with the pan that was flung into the face. What kind of person tends to throw pans, however, I do not know. I would say a This is the most interesting part, I think. Why would BC's death be mentioned twice when none of the others are? The fact that there is a metal pike involved as opposed to the sphinx suggests that maybe BC was hit by both mafia. This would also likely account for the missing hit. As for whom the pike clue points too, I thought of Mystlord's profile picture, but I'm pretty sure that's a red herring as well. In any case, the best use of early round clues is to check back with dead mafia. I.e. if we find a dead mafia, we could hopefully track him to some of these clues to get an idea of Incognito's style. + Show Spoiler + On February 17 2010 23:55 Caller wrote: Citi.zen, to be fair, Ver is known for mass PM style along with big informative posts intermittently. I can vouch for him in this regard as I have played with him when he used this style in Ace's Mafia World. As for LucasWoJ, he hasn't really committed anything important to town, which might be a scumtell, but I also know that he tends to let things roll for a bit before he does anything. Although, this could be an instance of chainsaw defense... + Show Spoiler + On February 19 2010 10:26 Caller wrote: is this the first time you've been bragging about this? also, since Mystlord was confirmed scum, that puts Madnessman's chainsaw defense into the realm of scumtell... As for the mod kill, I'm guessing that Phujakawas /w/e his name is might be the person we're looking for in relation to the meadow/white powder clue. If that clue doesn't pop up again, we can be sure that it was the one that linked to him. The fact that we also got Mystlord now gives us an avenue to look for clues. But there's one more thing that we should go over, and that's Mystlord's interesting post, where he states how we should be careful for: I'm looking at the list, and I am curious as to why a significant amount of other veteran players are not on the list. There are many other players that we should definitely keep an eye on, such as Chezinu, Opz, Lucas, Shikyo, Foolishness, nemy, and SugiraMidori, to name a few. But I'm not entirely sure why Zona is on the list. It may be that I just haven't really seem him play at all, but as far as I know he died night 2 in Incognito's game and that was about it. He also really hasn't contributed that much (although with SC2 activity has probably been killed, mostly). In any case, we should be highly suspect of this list since Mystlord put it out when his death was all but certain. I would personally suspect that at least one person on here is mafia. The other alternative for the list might be that these are suspects of Mystlord's family. In which case, we should knowingly keep this list in the back of our heads in the event that one mafia side appears to have an advantage over the other. If the Gambino side is winning, we can "remove" this list from our suspects. If the Sumiyoshi side is winning, we should definitely pay more attention to potential clues that we can connect to people on this list. + Show Spoiler + On February 20 2010 10:17 Caller wrote: So here are the mayoral candidates: BloodyC0bbler dead townie citi.zen l10f meeple dead townie Ver Ace dead townie redtooth Bill Murray dead townie DoctorHelvetica dead sumiyoshi So now we're down to citi.zen, l10f, Ver, and redtooth. I'm betting at least one of these guys is scummy. I doubt it's Ver, redtooth's been afk, citi.zen's still been contributing, and l10f has been afk. meh I would contribute more but watching people play SC2 is just too big of a priority right now -_- maybe more thinking later + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2010 03:20 Caller wrote: ~Opz always has good clue analysis. This is something that people should really, really pay attention too -_- + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + On February 21 2010 12:34 Caller wrote: afaik, me, Ace, and Ver, all got this PM from redtooth: that's the only reason i voted for him. As for my activity, I've already stated that SC2 has just been dragging my activity down (and as I'm sure, many other peoples'). More importantly, I am not a good player. We've gone over this multiple times. I can't clue analyze for shit, I can't behavior analyze for shit, I just make plans that apparently nobody listens to. I'm still curious as to why redtooth didn't release the bodyguard list. It would help us a LOT. Even if the BGs just came forward and RCd it would help us a lot. Consider that one of them is mafia (SM) at least, and one wonders why they would put a godfather in the BG position. Does nobody think this odd? Why would a godfather be in the BG position? The way I see it, there are three scenarios (obviously) and their implications are as follows: A) redtooth is Sumiyoshi. Thus, Gambinos put in SM to take away from his BG protection. B) redtooth is town. Gambinos put in SM because they think he might be Sumiyoshi. C) redtooth is Gambino. Gambinos put in SM to give him full protection/mindfuck us. The way I see it, if we lynch redtooth, or even threaten to, we can pressure him into giving us information like who the bodyguards are. If the bodyguards die off, we will be able to get a better idea of what side is killing the bodyguards. Who knows, if redtooth is indeed town and both mafia suspect that he is scum, we might see hits overlap, resulting in wasted KP for the mafia. I highly doubt either mafia put in more than one BG poser, because mafiasos will always take the safe, cautious route, instead of the more risky route. It's a scumtell when players tend to play too cautiously because it implies that they fear getting implicated and dying, when in fact an ordinary townie does not have this fear, especially in a scenario where mafia do not want to kill town vs. the other mafia. In summary, I conclude that redtooth, you should tell trusted members of town (at least) the members of your bodyguard list. If you are town, you have nothing to fear from giving this information out, as long as mafia hit town they aren't hitting each other, which gives us more time to figure out who's who. Even if you are a medic, losing you at this point isn't a huge loss. Given that we have three mad hatters so far, there's probably going to be about as many medics, which is enough to deal with the reduced mafia KP that I expect shortly. Lynching redtooth right now, however, without this information, is just a bad idea. + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2010 02:28 Caller wrote: okay, all the SC2 streams are off. Time to do something. And that something is this: L, I'm almost 100% sure that you are town. Even if redtooth flips town I don't think there's any reason to lynch you. That lynch would rather be focused on the Sumiyoshi. Here's what we know so far and what we are speculating (in no particular order): a) SugiariaMidori was the Gambino GF and was substituted in as a bodyguard. b) redtooth may or may not be Sumiyoshi because he was a mayoral candidate that got a lot of votes for some reason. c) Ver is working with redtooth, therefore guilt by association suggests that Ver is also Sumiyoshi. d) DoctorHelvetica was also Sumiyoshi. Your argument implies that three Sumiyoshi members are actively taking control of the town, and that they all ran for mayor, knowingly putting themselves in the spotlight. Does that seem likely or reasonable, especially when only two of them at most are guaranteed protection from night hits that will almost assuredly hit this of candidates? Already one Sumiyoshi is dead that was a mayoral candidate. It has been emphasized over and over again that the mayoral candidates have a high chance of having mafia, and in the case where there are two mafia there should be at least two candidates, one from each side. However, the fact that SugiaraMidori was found as a GF suggests either a) redtooth is Sumiyoshi b) redtooth is town c) redtooth is Gambino and it was a mindfuck I suggest just exposing the bodyguard list, as I have said multiple times. If redtooth is town he has nothing to fear from doing so. If he truly is mafia we should see that one side would hit the bodyguard list, because if they don't there's no way to kill him. And depending on whether or not we see a Sumiyoshi as a bodyguard, that may tell us whether or not redtooth is truly town affiliated or scum. Remember, it's not a bad thing for town members to die in this game from night hits, even if redtooth is a medic. The primary job for town is to preserve the balance of power that exists between the two mafia, and whittle each side down until town wins. I understand that L is afraid that the Sumiyoshi are in control here. But lynching redtooth right off the bat here I feel is too aggressive of a move off a rather sketchy clue (although behavior is certainly fishy). The bodyguard list would do the exact same thing, except we would also get a better idea of the composition of the bodyguard list, and we may or may not prevent a medic from getting lynched when the balance of power is this fragile. That said, until redtooth agrees to release this list, which I have advocated since like the beginning of the game, I'm going to vote for him. Plain and simple. + Show Spoiler + On February 22 2010 09:23 Caller wrote: see L, I told you that he had nothing to do with me -_- This also means for you townies that Ver is basically innocent and now we're down to 2 KP and down 2 members. Awesome. Not to mention I gave myself away, which is going to bring us down even more -_-. When I was talking about balance of power the entire game, it wasn't a bad idea for town to listen to what I had to say -_- Although you guys should probably get the bodyguards to roleclaim, seeing as how the mayor was townie. If we get all the bodyguards you might find a Sumiyoshi there. If not then you have confirmed townies. + Show Spoiler + On February 25 2010 07:18 Caller wrote: ohi guys im back sc2's starting to bore me anyways i hears people wanna kill me have fun with that but lemme ask you this suppose i am really sumiyoshi. Why didn't I die last night? If I was sumiyoshi and false claimed, the Gambinos can see that as an obvious hit. The answer is, of course, the fact that my mafia is a bunch of lazy uncoordinated crackheads that are completely incapable of reading the thread, doing character analysis, or paying any attention at all. In any case I happen to have a filtered list of roles (aka, people who aren't dead) that I accumulated from random people. Feel free to make of it what you will. obviously i hid the members of my mafia among both scum and town but let's see who the sumiyoshi hit tonight. 5. johnnyspazz green 8. Vivi57 green 11. XeliN mad hatter 12. Amber[Light] green 13. Fishball veteran 14. QuickStriker scum 16. dozko green 17. Nikon scum 18. tree.hugger medic 19. ShoCkeyy scum 22. meeple scum 23. Chezinu DT 24. Scamp green 26. L (Pardoner) green 28. Iaaan green 29. ~OpZ~ green 30. sidesprang scum 32. Caller scum 33. ohN green 34. Abenson veteran 38. CynanMachae scum 40. tredmasta green 44. [NyC]HoBbes green 45. Versatile green 47. Malongo DT 48. decafchicken veteran 50. Foolishness green 51. madnessman green and now back to SC2, not going to really reply too much here, this game got boring since somebody hit Ace without me knowing -_- use this info to find more sushiyomi scum plz | ||
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The shack seemed abandoned, but the man heard some quiet singing emanating from the shack. As he approached the shack, he noticed an emaciated and pale man inside. The Mafioso didn’t feel especially playful tonight, and decided to simply get the job done. He ripped down the thin wall of the shack closest to the river, and lunged at his victim. Shikyo did not move a muscle as a dull fork flew toward his face and plunged into his left temple. Shikyo's killer is Iaaan. He stabbed him with a tuning fork. Notice Iaaan's picture. A pale emaciated man. After a long day's work at the office, iNfuNdiBuLuM headed home, pleased that it was finally the weekend. He turned left at the town square, hoping to stop at the local bar for a drink to celebrate his recent job promotion. After a few drinks, iNfuNdiBuLuM felt a bit drunk, and decided to head home before the situation got too bad. Xelin.... " A Priest an Irishman and a Bishop walk into a bar. The barman says "What is this, some kind of joke?"" | ||
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i wouldn't say my roleclaiming turned out to be fiascos i mean the sumiyoshi family hasn't killed me yet and caller turned out to be not gambino | ||
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so shoot me a pm cause i'm pretty sure my chances of winning are slim and i would hate to see sumiyoshi win | ||
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