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On February 10 2010 05:53 sidesprang wrote: maybe they retire as mafia and join the townies ?  You can't just retire from the mafia! They'll kill ya! Haven't you ever seen the movies. Though I suppose if there is no one left to kill you, you're good lol. | ||
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On February 13 2010 03:58 flamewheel91 wrote: The ones that evolve later are generally stronger! ...Like the dragons. Yay. But yeah it's based on a combination of time registered and post count. Though I've been registered for more than a month and have over 250 posts, so I'm a bit confused right now. I got mine at around 2 and a half months ... I had over the 250 posts as well. | ||
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DrH, now you know how I feel, this is exactly how BillMurray acted to me last game before he was killed. I'm not sure if he is mafia based on his "slip up" but I am sure that BM should stand for bad mannered. As for the accusations against myself. The connection of the horsemen to my profile picture ... there really isn't a lot I can say in my defense besides it is a dinosaur in my profile picture. Sort of a lame defene, but I'm not sure what else to say. The moon blinding dreamflower. On this one It would seem the blinding would be a strong connection to the little poem in my profile referring to the Halls of the Blind in Diablo 1. But if you've played the game I think you'd agree with me that the HotB isn't named as such because it blinds you, but because the enemies are invisible. As for the mayor vote, I'm going to vote for Citi.zen. I've only played one game and he did a nice job for the town. It isn't enough to blindly follow whatever he does, but enough to earn my day 1 vote being that I don't know most of the rest of the candidates. | ||
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On February 10 2010 07:03 Ver wrote: It's not just the activity, the town is totally screwed then since they don't have the time to figure out who the mafia is and then convince everyone to change their votes to that person. In your game a small group of people were extremely active but it took time for the rest of the group to weigh in their opinions and votes. 48 hours is often too short to accomplish that purpose but so far it has worked really well as longer the mafia get kinda screwed. 1. Yes, yes. 2. If it's such a 'no-brainer' the town will simply get the mayor to reveal the bgs then kill them. Mafia have to balance this possibility with the strength of infiltrating office. 3. The Mafia family can still kill off the town and then kill the other family. 4. No, and this needs to be amended to the rules if it is not clear. Town cannot win if it's members are all dead. iirc we had a possible clause saying that the town needed to have a certain number of people left relative to the mafia but I'm not quite sure if it was viable. If anyone has suggestions to make it so that comebacks are more than possible without having to rely too much on outside interference please give them. This game format was really hard to come up with since we had to design it in such a way that mafia can't team up 5. Give a better name then! Found it on page 2 scamp. Yes the DTs will be told what family it is. | ||
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On February 15 2010 09:53 meeple wrote: He posted a while back saying he doesn't have a password to change his profile. The connection to clues was based on his name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empyrean Oh I see. Yeah that does seem pretty strong link to the arson killing. I'm a little hesitant to do the first few lynches based off clues though, being as what happened last game when we tried to rely to heavily on them from the start. | ||
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On February 15 2010 09:57 [NyC]HoBbes wrote: I'm confident that if Bill is mafia, he'll fuck up so massively in the next few days that we'll be conclusively sure of it. Word. If he is mafia he'll either stop posting (which he says he will) or slip up again when he does. I think we should concentrate elsewhere for the time being. There seems to be 2 schools of thought: go for inactive or go for veterans, with many sub arguments in those 2 categories. | ||
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On February 15 2010 10:01 L wrote: In retrospect, that reply to 789 was rather mean. Despite hating to put 'fluff' posts up, I feel the need to keep decorum seeing as someone has been warned before and apologize for the tone. But still, try to keep up with what's being said for crying out loud. Yeah I made a simple mistake, I had forgotten about that last killing. I am attempting to keep up.................. I'm sorry that I had other things to do over the weekend and had 25+ pages to keep up on. You could have just simply corrected me? | ||
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Well, as I said the 2 school of thought look like go for inactives or go for veteran players. If we go for inactives, we could combine that with clues and go for EMP... that seems to be the best way to go if we go after an inactive to me. As for veterans .. I don't personally have a leading candidate in mind there myself. Some of the stuff going on with accusations and stuff seems to be pre-existing grudges from other games. | ||
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On February 15 2010 10:15 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Lynching Empyrean gives us no information. Although the clue connection is solid, Ace has a strong clue AND behavioral connection imo and we learn a lot depending on how he flips. It has nothing to do with if he's a veteran or not. Yeah I was going to mention the ace thing, but decided against it since it has been discussed quite a bit already. | ||
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On February 15 2010 10:25 Mystlord wrote: You know, labeling people as blue, red, or green is nice and all... but we should be concentrating on the mayoral elections. I for one don't want to end up putting a crap or mafia mayor/pardoner into office because people are just riding the bandwagon. I agree. It would be nice for all the candidates to say who they plan to lynch if elected and why. | ||
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On February 15 2010 10:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Did we all not? I will lynch Ace if elected mayor. Well, I was bringing it up again since things may have changed since people made their "im running for the election" positions. It is possible with the flurry of posting going on since the start that at least 1 of them could have changed their opinions. I don't know who I would lynch if I was getting elected, but I'm not really against the notion of lynching ace. | ||
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On February 15 2010 11:07 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I voted for citi.zen because of how well he did last game and is uninvolved in the ace/l/redtooth drama. However, I am strongly considering changing my vote to L. I'm thinking about it. Citi.zen has been a bit inactive. Yeah DrH, L is who I have been considering switching my vote to as well. I'm going to wait awhile before I pull the trigger on any voting changes though. | ||
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On February 15 2010 12:15 Bill Murray wrote: the only problem with your analysis, though, my friend... is that you're already thinking from the perspective of an opposing mafia. Why? WHY ZATO? It would make sense to think in the shoes of the other factions if you plan to beat them. If you're with the town - you try to think of how the 2 mafia families are thinking and what they are trying to accomplish. If your from family A, you do the same for both the down and family B. And of course the same goes for family B with the town and family A. With a three opposing faction it doesn't make sense not to try to think like another faction and how to use them against the remaining faction. As for Zato ... that's neither here nor there. I have no clue if he's mafia or not lol. | ||
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On February 15 2010 16:23 MasterDana wrote: This may have been brought up and I overlooked it, but discussion about 789 seems to have vanished among this drama. 789 appears to have disappeared for several hours at night in his location of the united states, suspicious or sleeping? As for the clue analysis ... The whole horsemen thing ... I can't really refute this by anything else then saying it is a dinosaur, not a horse. The moon/sun thing ... There are people who have a profile picture that actually have moons in them rather than a sun, I'm too lazy to look them all up, but Ace and Mystlord come to mind off the top of my head. The aiming thing ... yeah there really is nothing to say there. The light appearing in the shadows thing ... well you say it yourself, "She proceeds to journey through the shadows provided by the trees. But, as fate would have it, light appears upon her." The poem clearly states it the other way around "Shadows move where light should be." I dunno ... I think the clue connections to Ace and EMP are stronger than myself ... but of course I'd be biased. Tell me what you plan to learn about me being lynched. | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:27 citi.zen wrote: Read my posts again, I never said "lynch Ace right now based on day 1 clues". All I did was present my analysis of both clues and behavior, in two separate posts. It is partial and surely wrong in some ways, but I don't see how not saying anything moves the game along. I know you didn't I was just bringing up the possibility that those clues could be matching someone else. | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:29 citi.zen wrote: So what is your point: we need to all shut up and just... vote? My point was only if we're going to talk about clues possibly connecting to someone, we should talk about the other people they possibly fit. | ||
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On February 16 2010 01:28 meeple wrote: So then you're advocating posting behavior? Who strikes you as someone who's posting as mafia? I'll be honest with you .. I really don't know. The whole thing with 2 mafia families is sort of throwing me off. I'm sure at least someone in the whole L, DrH, Ace, redtooth, and laaan thing that's going on is mafia. The only problem is I don't know who. | ||
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On February 16 2010 06:28 L wrote: Nikoner, not killing someone day 1 is generally a box of dumb. Even if it makes me look bad, its better to have 100% confirmable information for the town to work with regarding associations and whatnot. My only fear is that ZERO people have pushed back against my claim against emp, and a number of people have tagged along well after i took pains to make it clear i wasn't dropping the accusation. Either one of the mafia teams is using him as a sacrifice to get, say, ver, to look good by supporting my position, or emp is green/blue and afk like a moron. Given his vote, it would seem that he isn't afk, which leads me to believe that killing him will at least give me some information. I'm actually more worried about how much information regarding clue interpretation for this game I can glean from a red or green flip than anything else. Like i said; Grow some fucking balls. Well the only other person I can currently see fitting this clue is Zona based on his profile picture - it has sort of a blue radiant vibe to it. Problem with zona is he is probably going to be mod killed anyway for not voting. The other killers have a couple people that could possibly fit into the clues ... the last one, not so much at least in my opinion. It is of course possible I'm missing something in someone's profile. | ||
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On February 16 2010 06:57 d3_crescentia wrote: L, I'll nibble... only a bit. The clues we have regarding Emp are that his name has links to light, fire and heaven, but it seems to me that "thinking that an angel had saved the town" is more a manner of speech; a being masked by light is not necessarily the same as an angelic being. Consider BloodyCobbler's profile - plenty of blue-ish light in there, and it seems that he was eager to set you up as super-eager to lynch Ace. I'm curious as to why no one's focusing on the hyena-laughter/psychopathic noises. Madnessman feels pretty red-herring to me, but who else could it be? I think you have a good point with BC, that's another potential fit for the last killer. I've looked into the laughter and the noises and got nothing. The hyena like laughter came up at one point during the last mafia game we played - but it didn't seem to fit anyone in that game. The people who were mafia in that game and are in this game are: DrH Mystlord Phrujbaz It still doesn't seem to fit any of the 3. Though I'll be honest I haven't for the life of me been able to find out what Phrujbaz means. | ||
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On February 16 2010 07:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: From Mystlords profile: ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/38753.jpg?1265874875) The girl appears to be laughing from atop a roof, which is the location of the killer in the scenario. Interestingly enough, the town is burning around her which is fitting since arson was used by other killers to get the job done. She doesn't necessarily appear to be the cause of the fire, but rather is amongst it You know DrH, I think that's a really good point. I had always looked at the fire in the picture as a potential connection to the arson. I never thought about it in terms of one of the killers after the fire had started. She also appears to have sort of a crazy look in addition to her laughing which could fit the psychotic noises. So it sort of has a mesh between the noises and the laughter. I don't think it is enough to lynch on quite yet, but it is a nice one to file away. This is sort of why I made my post ... I thought something might be there in one of the profiles but didn't see anything myself. So I brought it up to see if anyone else did and it may have paid off. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:13 Bill Murray wrote: my logic was that redtooth and L are fighting, whether it be an act (if so, i applaud you guys), or that they are genuinely on different sides or both town aligned and not knowing it, they don't seem to be in the same family. that being said, redtooth sent me a PM that made him really really really look like a town aligned player last night. that, coupled with the fact that we can't afford to lose a medic, is the reason why i felt like we can't afford for him to be killed unless he is lying and the risks of not voting for him were more dangerous (him possibly getting killed) than the risks of voting for him. So basically you're trying to ensure that both officials aren't in the same mafia family. Which is exactly what I did when I voted for t_co last game and you called me an idiot MANY times for. Come up with a new reason. He's obviously not a medic ... if an "accidental" roleclaim isn't suspicious to you ... ugh. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:17 Bill Murray wrote: your logic was that meeple and doctorh had to be in the mafia together, and that it was very likely, and i called you an idiot for that logic (plus t_co was behaving worse than I have been in this thread) Actually .. go read it again that was t_co's logic. My logic was that there was no way possible t_co and doctorH were both mafia. Remind me how that turned out again. | ||
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On February 16 2010 09:19 Bill Murray wrote: oh, sorry. I was fairly certain meeple wasn't mafia, which is why i voted for him in that game. Maybe you should have voted for meeple with me. Well the reason was PMs really. I was in PM contact with t_co ... and was fairly certain that we was green. But I think we should stop cluttering the thread with discussions from last game. My bad for bringing it up everyone. | ||
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On February 16 2010 13:03 Malongo wrote: A Supposing a mafia family suspects redtooth is mafia the will asap hit me to clear him. Its 3 votes + a protected role. They only lose a hit and prove redtooth, wich is useless because bg list is more likely infiltrated. Believe me the other family is liking his chops at this idea. B If hits stack¿ lol if hits stack i die and nothing else happens, redtooth isnt cleared and we have more gamble beetween families. Why wont work¿ i still dont see how can be bad for the town. Worst case scenario: mafia doesnt hit me and redtooth loses a protection that cant be directed to a town townie anyways. We have absolutely nothing to lose. I still don't see why the mafia would be licking their chops to cooperate. If they wanted to get rid of him they could act like townies and get him lynched. Why would they take a path that potentially wastes a hit and could potentially help the town greatly by giving them a trusted person to organize behind. Sure they know who a medic is if they want to target him - but I would think at least one of the BGs is still town aligned and he'd be protected. If they want to take him out there are other lower risk ways to do it and they wouldn't want to clear him. | ||
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On February 16 2010 13:17 Malongo wrote: Mafia has to kill the other mafia to win. Having a guy that is likely to be part of one of the mafias in the mayor spot is clearly a big disadvantage to start with. Sure RT *may* prove himself. Then what¿ trusted BG list¿ he asks all the blues to pm him¿ he asks everyplayer to pm him his role¿ with 20 mafia in the game¿ Think about that for a minute. You bypassed my main point. Why would one of the mafia families risk a hit or helping the town when they could attempt a lynch play to take down redtooth. | ||
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On February 16 2010 13:31 d3_crescentia wrote: Because the point isn't to lynch redtooth. Redtooth flipping red/blue will give both the town AND the mafia some information - information they wouldn't be able to get by slogging through another 48 hours of day posts attempting to convince people otherwise. I know the point of the plan isn't to lynch redtooth. My point is why would the mafia agree to this plan when they could attempt a lynch play. Basically .. the mafia has no reason to go along with it. | ||
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On February 16 2010 13:38 Malongo wrote: And again if mafia doesnt cooperate what does the town lose¿ lets say this does nothing: where is the big lose for the town¿ I never said don't do it. I'm just warning you that no matter what happens you'll have difficulties interpreting what it actually means. For every result there is at least 1 alternate scenario that clouds what the results actually mean. Sure the town has nothing to lose ... but in the end you'll end up with a result that you're not sure what it even means. | ||
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Killer#1 noticed and followed the tracks Ace couldn't hide in the darkness killed by a gasoline/match ... fire again he wants to kill during the day as well as the night killer#2 Sounds like he got killed by like shrapnel shot from a cannon or smthn ... dunno about this one yet killer#3 sounds like the killer was on a roof shadow blocked out the light (with the stone sphinx) the stone sphinx itself but he was actually killed by a pike with “We invite you to make a holy pilgrimage to the town square today to offer a human sacrifice to the gods. That is all.” written on it killer#4 dry air and white particles ... sounds like he was poisoned via some powder killer#5 cursing and shouting grafiti and the murder weapon was a pan And yet again ... some of the clues fit me -_- I feel like Hobbes from last game. | ||
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Clues: With BC and EMP dead he is currently the best fit for the last angel/blue radiant killer from night 1. If you look at his profile picture it has sort of a blue radiant feel to it. Am I saying that he definitely fits the clues to this killer? No, but currently I consider him the best fit. Behavior: He has barely posted at all. Two things about this: last game when he was a townie ... he was pretty active and helpful. Now I realize this is a completely different format from last game, there are 2 mafia families more people that are alot more active than the last. Plus he might be busy doing other things ... but wait. He has 326 posts in the last week in general here at TL. He definitely has the time to post. When you combine the two it makes it looks like he is trying to lay low for one reason or another. Also for voting in the election ... he basically popped in like an hour before the election ended and abstained. Then he made a post or 2 in the main thread and disappeared again. I think his behavior has been suspicious enough to be someone to look at. Also I threw this possibility out before. Is it possible that zato was killed by a bomb? This possibility wouldn't exclude BC getting double hit and ver (if he's telling the truth) absorbing a hit from last night. The hits would still add up to 6. He was killed when he opened his door ... by a bunch of metal sharp objects. Now I don't know how much you guys know about homemade bombs ... but if you want to increase their killing power you pack them with small metal objects to act as shrapnel. This could also explain the hole in the wall. There was a mafia member talked about in the paragraph ... but nothing of really important detail. He knocked on the door but was nowhere to be seen when zato opened it and was killed. I think its either possible that the mafia member used a bomb to kill him (for a clue) or it was a bomb of BC (from madhatter ability). | ||
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lol @ being a miller combined with loose clue associations. I somehow had a feeling I'd end up being a miller. Sorry I stopped posting completely ... but you know ... I got into beta! Well GL, HF everybody ... I hope beta doesn't kill this game entirely. It was a really good concept and fun game. | ||
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