TL Mafia XVIII - Page 99

On February 21 2010 12:59 Chezinu wrote:

you knew about fulgrim...Why did you kill him? Why?!?!?!

On February 21 2010 11:50 Ver wrote:
Yes all of this is quite obvious, but that's what is going on right now. The Sumiyoshi are trying to get johnnyspazz (who is extremely likely Gambino) killed, thus achieving a superior position of 3:2 in kp and 8:6 in numbers. It's not a big deal if 1 family is a member ahead but we cannot let them get KP ahead, because that is a neverending spiral that leads to our loss. Thus it is extremely important that we make sure a Sumiyoshi dies in this lynch, tying both families at 7.

It is possible I might be wrong about Sumiyoshi intentions since a lot of people are voting for Scamp (who can wait for tonight, quit voting for him), but regardless the most important thing is to make sure a sumiyoshi dies. A DT (the one who checked me actually) inspected Quickstriker last night and found that he is Sumiyoshi. Who cares about all these stupid conspiracy theorr lies, they are not important and distract us from the real task at hand: ensuring both families stay equal in power.

Vote for Quickstriker and DO NOT Vote for Double Lynch.

And btw anyone who pm'ed me sorry, you're going to have to wait a bit more for a response. I don't have much time but this needed to be said.

On February 19 2010 07:01 SugiuraMidori wrote:Nikoner and myself and Scamp.. I think Nikoner is red, so Scamp won't be on the same red team, so he's either opposing or green.

On February 21 2010 08:58 Scamp wrote:
Okay so I figure it's up to me to figure out someone else to point the death of 789, but after going through everyone's profile and even translating all the foreign language stuff, I've only come up with one connection, which is Chezinu.

Essentially his profile is about his brown army, so I propose he killed 789 with the power of shit sewage. That's where the grunting and panting noises come in as well.

On February 22 2010 02:28 Caller wrote:
okay, all the SC2 streams are off. Time to do something.

And that something is this: L, I'm almost 100% sure that you are town. Even if redtooth flips town I don't think there's any reason to lynch you. That lynch would rather be focused on the Sumiyoshi.

Here's what we know so far and what we are speculating (in no particular order):

a) SugiariaMidori was the Gambino GF and was substituted in as a bodyguard.
b) redtooth may or may not be Sumiyoshi because he was a mayoral candidate that got a lot of votes for some reason.
c) Ver is working with redtooth, therefore guilt by association suggests that Ver is also Sumiyoshi.
d) DoctorHelvetica was also Sumiyoshi.

Your argument implies that three Sumiyoshi members are actively taking control of the town, and that they all ran for mayor, knowingly putting themselves in the spotlight. Does that seem likely or reasonable, especially when only two of them at most are guaranteed protection from night hits that will almost assuredly hit this of candidates? Already one Sumiyoshi is dead that was a mayoral candidate. It has been emphasized over and over again that the mayoral candidates have a high chance of having mafia, and in the case where there are two mafia there should be at least two candidates, one from each side.
However, the fact that SugiaraMidori was found as a GF suggests either

a) redtooth is Sumiyoshi
b) redtooth is town
c) redtooth is Gambino and it was a mindfuck

I suggest just exposing the bodyguard list, as I have said multiple times. If redtooth is town he has nothing to fear from doing so. If he truly is mafia we should see that one side would hit the bodyguard list, because if they don't there's no way to kill him. And depending on whether or not we see a Sumiyoshi as a bodyguard, that may tell us whether or not redtooth is truly town affiliated or scum.

Remember, it's not a bad thing for town members to die in this game from night hits, even if redtooth is a medic. The primary job for town is to preserve the balance of power that exists between the two mafia, and whittle each side down until town wins.

I understand that L is afraid that the Sumiyoshi are in control here. But lynching redtooth right off the bat here I feel is too aggressive of a move off a rather sketchy clue (although behavior is certainly fishy). The bodyguard list would do the exact same thing, except we would also get a better idea of the composition of the bodyguard list, and we may or may not prevent a medic from getting lynched when the balance of power is this fragile.

That said, until redtooth agrees to release this list, which I have advocated since like the beginning of the game, I'm going to vote for him. Plain and simple.

On February 22 2010 02:41 L wrote:

Sorry, releasing some list doesn't fix the real problem, and your post ignores chez.

Chez is 100% cluefucked, he voted redtooth. Additionally, your analysis of ver running for office is wrong; Ver never ran for mayor. People just voted for him. If we've seen where the gambino GF went, we also need to think about who the sumiyoshi GF could be.

More importantly, this is a pretty soft post with nearly zero new content, but it seems designed to let you remove your vote from redtooth the moment he releases the list (which tells us nothing :/). If redtooth does flip red, then we kill ver and he flips red, a post like this isn't going to be enough to insulate you from them.

I'm going to say this once more: redtooth blundered and admitted he was mafia flat out to the thread. There's no reason to vote for quickstriker or anyone else.

On February 22 2010 01:53 ~OpZ~ wrote:


Has Chez ever responded to this?

Other than a blantantly off topic rant about Scamp not joining him and Fulgrim?