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L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 21 2010 03:40 GMT
#1941
So in the span of 20 minutes, 7+ people have voted for quickstriker, and a number of them have removed their double lynch, despite the fact that we have like 6-7 suspects?

That's a lot of votes for a population that should be ostensibly playing SC2.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
February 21 2010 03:44 GMT
#1942
On February 21 2010 12:20 L wrote:
Show nested quote +
Who cares about all these stupid conspiracy theorr lies, they are not important and distract us from the real task at hand: ensuring both families stay equal in power.
Kinda matters because if redtooth flips red, you're heavily implicated.

The first people to vote redtooth are:

redtooth (9)
Chezinu x
Chezinu x
Ver
Ace x
Chezinu
Caller
d3_crescentia x
citi.zen
decafchicken
meeple
d3_crescentia
Ace
Empyrean
Bill Murray

Chez. You. Caller.

Chez has recently been found out as the bathroom shitter mafia. Scamp actually came through and made a fantastic clue analysis to save himself. Is he selling out a fellow teammember who he thinks will live regardless? maybe, but it doesn't matter. Chez attempts to distance himself from you in PMs as I showed earlier, but never really attacks you in the thread despite not being worried about throwing out attacks.

You and caller early on move to protect each other; Caller gets onto your medic list as proof of this. Caller, meanwhile, doesn't act for the majority of the game despite being a good player.

Redtooth and you, similarly, are buddies the entire game through. In the post that I call him out, literally the line after admitting that he's mafia, he basically tells people to slavishly obey you.





Simply put: After DrH had mediocre support, redtooth submits a half-assed candidacy very early. His mafia buddies boost him early in the running, but fearing that he would die quickly if he was not protected (which would subsequently reveal many of his allies on the voting list) he fake claims early and can't be verified.

Is this true? I don't know. I'll be more certain once redtooth dies, but its very odd that you'd attempt to bandwagon tree.hugger, then switch to quickstriker; if you had such good analysis earlier, why the change? If you're sumiyoshi, then you're essentially trying to trade an inactive member of your team to save redtooth and keep heat off yourself.


You completely ignored my accusation of you. As active as you are, I'm sure you didn't miss it. One of my points was that if Redtooth flips Sumiyoshi, that you are Gambino. Seems like it could be a little indirect defense, saying that Redtooth being red implicates Ver, when it doesn't really strongly implicate him.

You need to respond to my accusation L, you said yourself that mafia shouldn't just be able to cover up accusations. And Ver, you opinion would be nice to, as well as your support of lynching Redtooth and not quickstriker.

That said, the reasons to lynch Redtooth and not quickstriker are:
1) The Gambino family will kill Quickstriker
2) redtooth and L are protected from night hits, lynches are the only way to kill them
3) Redtooth flipping sumiyoshi implicates L, we get information from the lynch as well as a death mafia.
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
February 21 2010 03:46 GMT
#1943
Also lynching redtooth will also keep the Mafia families equal at 7/7.
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 21 2010 03:51 GMT
#1944
Ver I disagree completely with removing the double lynch. We do have a lot of likely suspects, and I think it is essentially important for the town to reduce the mafia's KP.

I suppose our double lynch can be used later to balance out the families if one goes down 5/3 or whatever, but that's assuming we can get the right guys. Also, we get three double-lynches so using one now won't ruin our opportunity for that later.
Cheese is good for you!
Iaaan
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada578 Posts
February 21 2010 03:56 GMT
#1945
One last thing to keep in mind, it is 21 vs 15 at the moment. I'm not going to be posting for like 15 hours, and I know Foolishness doesn't care, but I'm hoping to find replies to my accusation from L/redtooth/Ver, and I feel that the time between replies to posts can change peoples opinions (eg revenge accusations, and no response from me looks suspicious, things like that).
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
February 21 2010 03:56 GMT
#1946
We could play it safe and vote for no lynch that way the mafia teams will have the same KP!!! Wouldn't it be awful if we kill another Gambino and lower their kp to 2? Not... Let's kill them all!!! Listen to Caller: It is not the mafia I fear, but the town! Actually I fear that both mafias might turn on me. So, if I give them lots of suspects, they will keep me alive... right mafia? Also note that if I die, this game won't be as fun... So if you want this game to be fun and want town to win, I would totally med protect me...
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Scamp
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1086 Posts
February 21 2010 03:56 GMT
#1947
Also: How exactly did I get pegged as very likely to be Gambino?
Cheese is good for you!
L
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada4732 Posts
February 21 2010 03:57 GMT
#1948
On February 21 2010 12:44 Iaaan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 12:20 L wrote:
Who cares about all these stupid conspiracy theorr lies, they are not important and distract us from the real task at hand: ensuring both families stay equal in power.
Kinda matters because if redtooth flips red, you're heavily implicated.

The first people to vote redtooth are:

redtooth (9)
Chezinu x
Chezinu x
Ver
Ace x
Chezinu
Caller
d3_crescentia x
citi.zen
decafchicken
meeple
d3_crescentia
Ace
Empyrean
Bill Murray

Chez. You. Caller.

Chez has recently been found out as the bathroom shitter mafia. Scamp actually came through and made a fantastic clue analysis to save himself. Is he selling out a fellow teammember who he thinks will live regardless? maybe, but it doesn't matter. Chez attempts to distance himself from you in PMs as I showed earlier, but never really attacks you in the thread despite not being worried about throwing out attacks.

You and caller early on move to protect each other; Caller gets onto your medic list as proof of this. Caller, meanwhile, doesn't act for the majority of the game despite being a good player.

Redtooth and you, similarly, are buddies the entire game through. In the post that I call him out, literally the line after admitting that he's mafia, he basically tells people to slavishly obey you.





Simply put: After DrH had mediocre support, redtooth submits a half-assed candidacy very early. His mafia buddies boost him early in the running, but fearing that he would die quickly if he was not protected (which would subsequently reveal many of his allies on the voting list) he fake claims early and can't be verified.

Is this true? I don't know. I'll be more certain once redtooth dies, but its very odd that you'd attempt to bandwagon tree.hugger, then switch to quickstriker; if you had such good analysis earlier, why the change? If you're sumiyoshi, then you're essentially trying to trade an inactive member of your team to save redtooth and keep heat off yourself.


You completely ignored my accusation of you. As active as you are, I'm sure you didn't miss it. One of my points was that if Redtooth flips Sumiyoshi, that you are Gambino. Seems like it could be a little indirect defense, saying that Redtooth being red implicates Ver, when it doesn't really strongly implicate him.

You need to respond to my accusation L, you said yourself that mafia shouldn't just be able to cover up accusations. And Ver, you opinion would be nice to, as well as your support of lynching Redtooth and not quickstriker.

That said, the reasons to lynch Redtooth and not quickstriker are:
1) The Gambino family will kill Quickstriker
2) redtooth and L are protected from night hits, lynches are the only way to kill them
3) Redtooth flipping sumiyoshi implicates L, we get information from the lynch as well as a death mafia.


The reason why I'm not dealing with it is if redtooth flips green I will have myself killed. I'm gambling that I'm right, and If I am, you need to look at the connections that redtooth has and that other dead players have already made.

Additionally, the clue analysis you have on me is... meager to say the least. Someone walks through a house while looking at things and suddenly he's L? Linking the most common red herring we've had in the game not to me, but to my namesake's opponent's name? Sure, it seems like a very remote possibility, but there's like 5 players with light references which are more overt than mine. Clue analysis isn't about fitting people to clues, its about interpreting clues and seeing who fits into the interpretation. Voting lists? I pretty much railed on mystlord the entire game from start to end, yet you've pinned me as gambino. The list of voters for me? 1 mafia from each team.

But that's all rather irrelevant.

If I'm right, one family has control of the entire game's supply of medics, dts, as well as the huge voting power of the mayoral office when the game is flatlining in terms of activity. This isn't just about redtooth. Its about one of the families having the game locked up already.
The number you have dialed is out of porkchops.
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
February 21 2010 03:59 GMT
#1949
On February 21 2010 12:56 Scamp wrote:
Also: How exactly did I get pegged as very likely to be Gambino?

you knew about fulgrim...Why did you kill him? Why?!?!?!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
February 21 2010 04:22 GMT
#1950
Who do you think the town trusts more L?

L the clue stealer or Chezinu the crazy detective?

I think the town should trust both of us. There is no reason for town to be against me. If town can trust Bill Murray, they can definitely trust me. Come on, I'm not that skilled at hiding my role. I have made my role sooo obvious. How many times have I said I was detective or posted hidden message implying that I'm the detective? So that leaves us with one option. I am either the Sumiyoshi GF.

I will leave you with this:

Have I ever roleclaim Detective in the past and lied about it? The answer is no. I'm pretty sure... I have claimed mad hatter but that has no meaning.. Claiming detective means you know some stuff and I do know some stuff. Why would I ever fake DT, besides it being fun and chaotic... and just plain fun... ok I get your point. But I really am the DT. L how many more times?
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
February 21 2010 04:23 GMT
#1951
either the Sumiyoshi GF or detective. Not or period.... It's not what it look like unless you think I'm detective then it is what it looks like!
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
February 21 2010 04:26 GMT
#1952
Also, I will like to say to Ver, I'm sorry but conspiracy theories can be fun... It's hard to let go... L you must end this but agreeing that I'm on your side. You see with a mafia contact missing in action, I can join the other mafia team...
lol, clueless in The Prism!
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-21 04:30:38
February 21 2010 04:30 GMT
#1953
Oops. This is why you don't watch LR threads and mod Mafia at the same time.
Apologies.
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
February 21 2010 04:31 GMT
#1954
On February 21 2010 13:30 flamewheel91 wrote:
Midas taking out the expo @ 1 and moving toward the 1:30 main. Kwanro has swarm and Ultras but I don't think it'll be enough to defend against the tanks.


Lynch Midas! Quick!
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
February 21 2010 04:31 GMT
#1955
On February 21 2010 13:31 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2010 13:30 flamewheel91 wrote:
Midas taking out the expo @ 1 and moving toward the 1:30 main. Kwanro has swarm and Ultras but I don't think it'll be enough to defend against the tanks.


Lynch Midas! Quick!


>.>
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
February 21 2010 04:34 GMT
#1956
Ver is being an idiot to suggest that a little double lynching now and then won't help. We have three double lynches. We have a lot of evidence (good, and, in the case of Ver's half-assed 'behavioral analysis', terrible) and we ought to put some of it to use.

ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
CynanMachae
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Canada1459 Posts
February 21 2010 05:22 GMT
#1957
laaan's arguments about lynching redtooth seems pretty convincing

Also, we do have 3 double lynch, right? I'm not convinced not using one tomorrow, if we really can bring the KPs down quickly that would make a big difference imo, cause right now 21 vs 15 doesnt look that good if mafia keeps killing the town at this ratio
Jang Yoon Chul hwaiting!
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
February 21 2010 06:55 GMT
#1958
Sorry I thought a bit more about DL and yeah I'm wrong. Sorry I lose my mind sometimes :D

Nevermind me on that, though there is no reason to be voting for anyone besides quickstriker.
Liquipedia
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
February 21 2010 07:18 GMT
#1959
Ver's Army:

Foolishness
Iaan
Abenson
LucasWoJ


Hopefully we have some insurgents in there that are just in recon mode..
lol, clueless in The Prism!
Chezinu
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States7456 Posts
February 21 2010 07:27 GMT
#1960
Did anyone else hear the rumors that the Gambino family is going to kill me tonight? I heard they like to kill innocent people. I was thinking they might kill me since I'm obviously innocent.
lol, clueless in The Prism!
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