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On February 17 2010 10:20 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 09:50 Ver wrote:
If someone was protected they should always call out that they took a hit.
In this case, that would be me.
I took a hit last night. Good. Just reminding everyone that this means one of three things: a) Ver is town-aligned b) Ver is on Mafia X and took a hit from Mafia Y c) Ver is on Mafia X or Y who stacked hits on someone else now dead and are having Ver claim that he took a hit last night to gain admittance into townie circles. Their likeliness or unlikeliness doesn't matter. They're all possibilities. I'll help with the profiles in a moment.
d) Ver was hit by a mad hatter bomb placed by BC.
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Ok, I have been exceptionally busy with uni work over the last 2 days and has such havent trusted myself to use the internet (If i do i get no work done simple as that) Apologies for being inactive, I can and will be active from this point on.
Have spent the last hour and a half going through the thread and firstly Ace turning green suprised me, simply reading the whole thread in one big chunk and i felt he was contributing little and not defending himself against accusations well (and he is meant to be a veteran player).
Bill Murray, there seems to be some kind of idea especially at an earlier stage in the thread that he is clearly "innocent". From reading his posts I get quite the opposite feeling, he has been influential and accusatory, even changing votes last minute although was one of the few people who also changed last minute to give an explanation namely: "I didn't want Red to be pardoner". I would be inclined to consider him Mafia far more than a townie, but this is mostly on impression from going through the thread in one big chunk.
Anyway now I'm going to dedicate some time to something I did none of in the last mafia game and try to analyse some clues!
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My analysis:
Killer 1: [r]Mystlord[/r]
Sorry man, too many fire and moonlight references for me to overlook this. Your posting hasn't especially been incriminating, but you're laying low similar to the last game...
Killer 4: [r]Phrujbaz[/r]
Sneezing and white things reference
Killer 5:[r]madnessman[/r]
Bickering and madness references
Dunno about the others yet
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United States2186 Posts
On February 17 2010 09:17 citi.zen wrote:
The obvious question to me is "why did Ver do that?" On day one no less.
Information, why else? Of course that has no bearing on my alignment since I would need information as either faction. What you want to be looking for is what I do with the information I have.
I was looking to see a specific type of response from him if he was innocent or guilty and the response that he gave screamed innocent. Then I made sure everyone in the thread knew it, that's all.
i was certainly wrong about BC. The hitlists show that the mafia also had no idea either. There are likely 2 missing hits, 1 of them accounted for by me. So either a bomb/hit overlapped or someone else got saved.
Time to rethink the situation.
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On February 17 2010 10:36 Vivi57 wrote:
ace is still mafia
love you too Vivi <3
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On February 17 2010 10:27 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 10:20 LucasWoJ wrote:On February 17 2010 09:50 Ver wrote:
If someone was protected they should always call out that they took a hit.
In this case, that would be me.
I took a hit last night. Good. Just reminding everyone that this means one of three things: a) Ver is town-aligned b) Ver is on Mafia X and took a hit from Mafia Y c) Ver is on Mafia X or Y who stacked hits on someone else now dead and are having Ver claim that he took a hit last night to gain admittance into townie circles. Their likeliness or unlikeliness doesn't matter. They're all possibilities. I'll help with the profiles in a moment. d) Ver was hit by a mad hatter bomb placed by BC.
Then we'd still be missing a mafia hit. I guess it's possible that two medics protected successfully, but no one's spoken up yet.
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to everybody who loved analyzing clues so much in day 1: now's your chance to analyze some real clues! go get em people.
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On February 17 2010 10:44 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 10:27 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On February 17 2010 10:20 LucasWoJ wrote:On February 17 2010 09:50 Ver wrote:
If someone was protected they should always call out that they took a hit.
In this case, that would be me.
I took a hit last night. Good. Just reminding everyone that this means one of three things: a) Ver is town-aligned b) Ver is on Mafia X and took a hit from Mafia Y c) Ver is on Mafia X or Y who stacked hits on someone else now dead and are having Ver claim that he took a hit last night to gain admittance into townie circles. Their likeliness or unlikeliness doesn't matter. They're all possibilities. I'll help with the profiles in a moment. d) Ver was hit by a mad hatter bomb placed by BC. Then we'd still be missing a mafia hit. I guess it's possible that two medics protected successfully, but no one's spoken up yet.
Oh! Yeah i can't count 
if nobody else speaks up then i'd say BC did not place his bomb that night and your 3 possibilities are the ones we have.
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On February 17 2010 10:41 Ace wrote:love you too Vivi <3
You don't get a GvG championship cape because I didn't kill you, ergo breaking our deal.
(also, I don't have one  ).
So, 5 people died, none of them are mafia. That's bad for both mafia teams, as they're clearly bad at hitting each other, but its worse for us because we're getting hit for them being dumb. Then again, its more like, getting hit for us being dumb because they pretty much just accepted ver's "go rape list" and raped it.
I'm going to go read clues after I finish up this paper; maybe this time I can not fuck up like a champ.
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One thing that immediately strikes me about the Day 2 post is the Fairy Tale connection that seems inherent within it.
Remeniscient of the "3 little piggies" or "3 bears" and seems like an underlying structure of the whole post.
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Incog, your clue pointing towards nemY was fantastically done.
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guys i think BC got double tapped.
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which means he bombed ver.
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Does it seem to anyone else that zato was possibly killed by a bomb? I mean he opened the door ... array of sharp objects ... hole in the wall. I know it mentioned the mafia member; he knocked on the door but was nowhere to be seen when zato died. Either it could be a bomb related clue or BC planted a bomb on zato and the mafia left when he saw it.
Oh well ... just throwing something out there.
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On February 17 2010 10:20 LucasWoJ wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2010 09:50 Ver wrote:
If someone was protected they should always call out that they took a hit.
In this case, that would be me.
I took a hit last night. Good. Just reminding everyone that this means one of three things: a) Ver is town-aligned b) Ver is on Mafia X and took a hit from Mafia Y c) Ver is on Mafia X or Y who stacked hits on someone else now dead and are having Ver claim that he took a hit last night to gain admittance into townie circles. Their likeliness or unlikeliness doesn't matter. They're all possibilities. I'll help with the profiles in a moment.
You forgot the part where...
d) Ver is anything and had a bomb on him by BC that went off when BC was double hit but since he was medic'ed he still gets that message ;P
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I think incog made the clues easier this time, because I'm pretty sure i can name like 4 people with 80% certainty.
nemy
madnessman
mystlord
phrubaz
Pretty sure i can find more, but that's my quick first reading. I'm going to be pretty blunt and say please lynch me if I post before tomorrow because I really need to get this work done and without the threat of me dying I will likely come back :/
BRB 12 HOURS.
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Oh yeh.. and I didn't read page 78 before I made that post.. but It sure sums up page 78!
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Mystlord
United States10264 Posts
First of all, Chezinu posted earlier that he's surprised that neither 789 nor I was killed Day 1. I also find that rather suspicious. The only thing I can say in my defense is that the mafia reasoned that there were better people to kill. Note that none of the Day 1 targets were clue based that weren't also high profile targets.
Some clue analysis time. I'll bold the areas that I think are significant.
On February 17 2010 09:39 Incognito wrote:
When the three Mafiosi made it to the city gate, they each decided to go in their separate directions, moving swiftly towards the houses of their victims. The first Mafioso went straight for the town center. When he finally arrived at his victim’s house, he noticed that the door had been left wide open. Cautiously, he peeked in the window, noticing that a pot of soup was still cooking on the stove. A pencil and a few charts were also spread on the table, but the Mafioso could not notice that anything important or telling about the papers. Figuring that his victim had been alerted to his presence and had hidden all his important documents before hastily vanishing, the Mafioso tiptoed upstairs, careful not to make any noises that could alert his victim. Upon reaching the upstairs bedroom, the Mafioso noticed fresh tracks beneath the window, and jumped down, careful not to disturb the tracks. He raced through the forest, and soon found his robed target sitting by the lake. Ace felt no surprise as he turned around to greet the Mafioso. He was about to warn the Mafioso that he couldn’t hide in the darkness, when suddenly the Mafioso sprayed gasoline all over Ace and quickly lit a match. As he left the scene, Ace’s attacker muttered to himself, thinking how much fun it would be to terrorize the town not only in the darkness, but also in the light.
The same motif of fire and the contrast between darkness and light. I can't think of any reason why two of the exact same clues would exist that point to different mafia members, so I'm going to assume that this is referring to the same person. A few things to note besides the fire and the darkness/light contrast is how careful this mafioso is. He's a tracker - silent and observant. This again matches with the first horsemen from Day 1, as he notices Qatol sneaking into the barn. A list of characteristics:
-A tracker
-Observant
-Loves fire and gasoline
-Loves the contrast between darkness and light
Meanwhile, the second Mafioso made his way all the way across town to a small apartment on the edge of the city wall. Although the road to the residence was filled with many twists and turns, the Mafioso was able to reach the apartment without too much loss of time. The Mafioso knocked on the door, waiting for a response. Nervous, Zato-1 pulled out his shotgun, ready to shoot the intruder if he proved to be a menace. But Zato-1 could not have been more prepared for what happened next. As he opened the door, he was immediately knocked down and impaled by an array of sharp objects. The intruder was nowhere to be seen, although neighbors who have walked by the now open door have noticed a hole in the wall directly behind where Zato-1 had been killed.
I'm having a bit of trouble with exactly what happens, so I might be wrong here. So first off, we see another mafia that has no trouble with tracking, or he's at least well acquainted with the area. He's not a blundering oaf. Something else to note is the method of death. Sharp objects, I believe, is a pretty significant method of execution. It's very brutal. Something of interest, though, is how the mafia escaped. If I'm reading the story correctly, the mafia apparently blew a hole out of the wall? Or am I misinterpreting that. I'm not exactly sure where to go with that. Perhaps someone else could shed some more light on that.
-Doesn't get lost. Knows his way around.
-Kills through sharp objects.
-Blows a hole through a wall to escape?
The third Mafioso headed toward the construction site, where workers had been trying to rush build a new town jail. From the building above, the third Mafioso noticed his target working in the guard tower across the jail courtyard. Smiling to himself, he snuck around to near the tower and took control of a crane that he had hidden nearby. Only a few of the workers noticed the large shadow blocking out the bright artificial light necessary to light the construction site. A few yelled at the workers to get out of the way, and fortunately everyone did but one. BloodyC0bbler did not notice as a miniature version of a stone sphinx came crashing down on the site, demolishing the guard tower and spraying blue blood everywhere.
Rather sparse set of clues. A mafia that plans ahead of time, although apparently BloodyC0bbler is deaf or a moron, or a combination of the two . Jokes aside, this mafia is not afraid to destroy a ton of stuff to get at his target. Obviously a miniature stone sphinx is important...
-Plans ahead of time
-Loves destruction
-Stone sphinx to kill. (I don't think anyone with a stone sphinx as a profile pic is a target though, seems too obvious. I believe an Egyptian reference is much more likely here.)
Meanings of a Sphinx:
-Temple guardian
-Riddle of the Sphinx.
“Which creature in the morning goes on four legs, at mid-day on two, and in the evening upon three, and the more legs it has, the weaker it be?”
Answer: Man—who crawls on all fours as a baby
By some accounts[5] (but much more rarely), there was a second riddle: "There are two sisters: one gives birth to the other and she, in turn, gives birth to the first." The answer is "day and night"
Note: I'm cautious on the second one, but we can't count it out.
There's a lot more, found: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx
On the other side of town, things were no less gruesome. Contrary to the warnings of the new town leaders, Fulgrim decided to ignore safety and take a hike in the meadows nearby. But the air was dry, and Fulgrim began to sneeze. After blowing his nose and drinking some water, he decided that maybe it was time to go home. After all, it was very late at night, and he had to get up to go to work the next day. As Fulgrim headed back through the meadows, he began seeing white particles drifting through the air and began to sneeze more. Realizing that the particles were likely the cause of his recent sneezing, he decided to breathe into his sleeve and quickly get back home. But the damage had already been done. Fulgrim slowly began to feel lightheaded, and fainted as he stumbled on a tree root just feet away from the town perimeter. Unfortunately, he would never wake up again.
Again, a rather sparse clue selection. I read this two ways: 1) The attacker is a nature lover, and the particles are part of nature. Meadows implies flowers after all. 2) The meadows are a coincidence, and the attacker just loves using poison. Important - This mafia does not like to get his hands dirty. First one we've seen.
-Nature lover and uses flowers/pollen poison or something.
-or just pure and straight up poison.
-Mafia does not like to get his hands dirty.
d3_crescentia was getting ready for bed, when he heard some strange noises outside. It seemed at first that some bickering had broken out. When he walked outside, he heard some cursing, and shouting. Puzzled, d3_crescentia went to investigate. As it turns out, the man who was being yelled at had scrawled graffiti all over the man’s house. d3_crescentia attempted to intervene, but a cold menacing glare came over the duo’s faces. Before d3_crescentia could cry for help, a pan was flung into his face, knocking his teeth into his brain. d3_crescentia died soon after from internal bleeding in the brain.
Ok, I laughed when I read this. Sorry, just had to say that. First of all, something to note here is that there are two people. Two people arguing, and a pan was thrown in d3's face. Something else to note here is that the two people were arguing. This indicates anger in this killer, again, something not seen in any of the other killers. The pan... Not exactly sure it's significant other than the fact that it's a household, ordinary item. Perhaps it was thrown up in a fit of rage?
-Two people
-Anger and rage
Upon examination of BloodyC0bbler’s corpse the next morning, an autopsy found a strange sight, as it appeared that BloodyC0bbler had not died from the falling sphinx, but from a metal pike that protruded out of his stomach. The whole town was filled with shock and fear as the new mayor, redtooth, read out the inscription on the pike’s handle: “We invite you to make a holy pilgrimage to the town square today to offer a human sacrifice to the gods. That is all.”
First of all, note that this DOES NOT invalidate the symbolism of the Sphinx. In fact, it in a way affirms the symbolism of the Sphinx in that the message is religious in nature. I am, however, unsure of how exactly BC was killed with the metal pike. I'm assuming that it was planted in him after the tower got destroyed. I'm not sure what else to say about this.
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