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On February 21 2010 10:38 ~OpZ~ wrote: Thanks Caller =( Sarcastic jerk. I openly stated that though... i was serious -_- | ||
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On February 21 2010 12:20 L wrote: Kinda matters because if redtooth flips red, you're heavily implicated. The first people to vote redtooth are: redtooth (9) Chezinu x Chezinu x Ver Ace x Chezinu Caller d3_crescentia x citi.zen decafchicken meeple d3_crescentia Ace Empyrean Bill Murray Chez. You. Caller. Chez has recently been found out as the bathroom shitter mafia. Scamp actually came through and made a fantastic clue analysis to save himself. Is he selling out a fellow teammember who he thinks will live regardless? maybe, but it doesn't matter. Chez attempts to distance himself from you in PMs as I showed earlier, but never really attacks you in the thread despite not being worried about throwing out attacks. You and caller early on move to protect each other; Caller gets onto your medic list as proof of this. Caller, meanwhile, doesn't act for the majority of the game despite being a good player. Redtooth and you, similarly, are buddies the entire game through. In the post that I call him out, literally the line after admitting that he's mafia, he basically tells people to slavishly obey you. Simply put: After DrH had mediocre support, redtooth submits a half-assed candidacy very early. His mafia buddies boost him early in the running, but fearing that he would die quickly if he was not protected (which would subsequently reveal many of his allies on the voting list) he fake claims early and can't be verified. Is this true? I don't know. I'll be more certain once redtooth dies, but its very odd that you'd attempt to bandwagon tree.hugger, then switch to quickstriker; if you had such good analysis earlier, why the change? If you're sumiyoshi, then you're essentially trying to trade an inactive member of your team to save redtooth and keep heat off yourself. afaik, me, Ace, and Ver, all got this PM from redtooth: From: redtooth [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: vote for me Date: 2/15/10 19:01 i know you want to. and i know you know it makes sense. that's the only reason i voted for him. As for my activity, I've already stated that SC2 has just been dragging my activity down (and as I'm sure, many other peoples'). More importantly, I am not a good player. We've gone over this multiple times. I can't clue analyze for shit, I can't behavior analyze for shit, I just make plans that apparently nobody listens to. I'm still curious as to why redtooth didn't release the bodyguard list. It would help us a LOT. Even if the BGs just came forward and RCd it would help us a lot. Consider that one of them is mafia (SM) at least, and one wonders why they would put a godfather in the BG position. Does nobody think this odd? Why would a godfather be in the BG position? The way I see it, there are three scenarios (obviously) and their implications are as follows: A) redtooth is Sumiyoshi. Thus, Gambinos put in SM to take away from his BG protection. B) redtooth is town. Gambinos put in SM because they think he might be Sumiyoshi. C) redtooth is Gambino. Gambinos put in SM to give him full protection/mindfuck us. The way I see it, if we lynch redtooth, or even threaten to, we can pressure him into giving us information like who the bodyguards are. If the bodyguards die off, we will be able to get a better idea of what side is killing the bodyguards. Who knows, if redtooth is indeed town and both mafia suspect that he is scum, we might see hits overlap, resulting in wasted KP for the mafia. I highly doubt either mafia put in more than one BG poser, because mafiasos will always take the safe, cautious route, instead of the more risky route. It's a scumtell when players tend to play too cautiously because it implies that they fear getting implicated and dying, when in fact an ordinary townie does not have this fear, especially in a scenario where mafia do not want to kill town vs. the other mafia. In summary, I conclude that redtooth, you should tell trusted members of town (at least) the members of your bodyguard list. If you are town, you have nothing to fear from giving this information out, as long as mafia hit town they aren't hitting each other, which gives us more time to figure out who's who. Even if you are a medic, losing you at this point isn't a huge loss. Given that we have three mad hatters so far, there's probably going to be about as many medics, which is enough to deal with the reduced mafia KP that I expect shortly. Lynching redtooth right now, however, without this information, is just a bad idea. | ||
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And that something is this: L, I'm almost 100% sure that you are town. Even if redtooth flips town I don't think there's any reason to lynch you. That lynch would rather be focused on the Sumiyoshi. Here's what we know so far and what we are speculating (in no particular order): a) SugiariaMidori was the Gambino GF and was substituted in as a bodyguard. b) redtooth may or may not be Sumiyoshi because he was a mayoral candidate that got a lot of votes for some reason. c) Ver is working with redtooth, therefore guilt by association suggests that Ver is also Sumiyoshi. d) DoctorHelvetica was also Sumiyoshi. Your argument implies that three Sumiyoshi members are actively taking control of the town, and that they all ran for mayor, knowingly putting themselves in the spotlight. Does that seem likely or reasonable, especially when only two of them at most are guaranteed protection from night hits that will almost assuredly hit this of candidates? Already one Sumiyoshi is dead that was a mayoral candidate. It has been emphasized over and over again that the mayoral candidates have a high chance of having mafia, and in the case where there are two mafia there should be at least two candidates, one from each side. However, the fact that SugiaraMidori was found as a GF suggests either a) redtooth is Sumiyoshi b) redtooth is town c) redtooth is Gambino and it was a mindfuck I suggest just exposing the bodyguard list, as I have said multiple times. If redtooth is town he has nothing to fear from doing so. If he truly is mafia we should see that one side would hit the bodyguard list, because if they don't there's no way to kill him. And depending on whether or not we see a Sumiyoshi as a bodyguard, that may tell us whether or not redtooth is truly town affiliated or scum. Remember, it's not a bad thing for town members to die in this game from night hits, even if redtooth is a medic. The primary job for town is to preserve the balance of power that exists between the two mafia, and whittle each side down until town wins. I understand that L is afraid that the Sumiyoshi are in control here. But lynching redtooth right off the bat here I feel is too aggressive of a move off a rather sketchy clue (although behavior is certainly fishy). The bodyguard list would do the exact same thing, except we would also get a better idea of the composition of the bodyguard list, and we may or may not prevent a medic from getting lynched when the balance of power is this fragile. That said, until redtooth agrees to release this list, which I have advocated since like the beginning of the game, I'm going to vote for him. Plain and simple. | ||
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On February 22 2010 02:41 L wrote: Sorry, releasing some list doesn't fix the real problem, and your post ignores chez. Chez is 100% cluefucked, he voted redtooth. Additionally, your analysis of ver running for office is wrong; Ver never ran for mayor. People just voted for him. If we've seen where the gambino GF went, we also need to think about who the sumiyoshi GF could be. More importantly, this is a pretty soft post with nearly zero new content, but it seems designed to let you remove your vote from redtooth the moment he releases the list (which tells us nothing :/). If redtooth does flip red, then we kill ver and he flips red, a post like this isn't going to be enough to insulate you from them. I'm going to say this once more: redtooth blundered and admitted he was mafia flat out to the thread. There's no reason to vote for quickstriker or anyone else. Okay, fine, I won't remove my vote from redtooth. If I do so you can insta-lynch me. | ||
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This also means for you townies that Ver is basically innocent and now we're down to 2 KP and down 2 members. Awesome. Not to mention I gave myself away, which is going to bring us down even more -_-. When I was talking about balance of power the entire game, it wasn't a bad idea for town to listen to what I had to say -_- Although you guys should probably get the bodyguards to roleclaim, seeing as how the mayor was townie. If we get all the bodyguards you might find a Sumiyoshi there. If not then you have confirmed townies. | ||
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sc2's starting to bore me anyways i hears people wanna kill me have fun with that but lemme ask you this suppose i am really sumiyoshi. Why didn't I die last night? If I was sumiyoshi and false claimed, the Gambinos can see that as an obvious hit. The answer is, of course, the fact that my mafia is a bunch of lazy uncoordinated crackheads that are completely incapable of reading the thread, doing character analysis, or paying any attention at all. In any case I happen to have a filtered list of roles (aka, people who aren't dead) that I accumulated from random people. Feel free to make of it what you will. obviously i hid the members of my mafia among both scum and town but let's see who the sumiyoshi hit tonight. 5. johnnyspazz green 8. Vivi57 green 11. XeliN mad hatter 12. Amber[Light] green 13. Fishball veteran 14. QuickStriker scum 16. dozko green 17. Nikon scum 18. tree.hugger medic 19. ShoCkeyy scum 22. meeple scum 23. Chezinu DT 24. Scamp green 26. L (Pardoner) green 28. Iaaan green 29. ~OpZ~ green 30. sidesprang scum 32. Caller scum 33. ohN green 34. Abenson veteran 38. CynanMachae scum 40. tredmasta green 44. [NyC]HoBbes green 45. Versatile green 47. Malongo DT 48. decafchicken veteran 50. Foolishness green 51. madnessman green and now back to SC2, not going to really reply too much here, this game got boring since somebody hit Ace without me knowing -_- | ||
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On March 04 2010 14:46 flamewheel91 wrote: I'm looking to host one if anybody will have me. welcome aboard comrade! | ||
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On March 04 2010 14:50 flamewheel91 wrote: Though you and Ace have next, if I hear correctly yes? ace isn't helping me with this one | ||
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