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On January 20 2010 12:52 no_re wrote: Well hi everyone, my first mafia game, not entirely sure how it works so bare with me if Im doing it wrong, however relating to the "clues" posted everyday here is what I got from the above entry. My first thought when dissecting the post was this rather obvious quote: A quick attack? Well with a player named QuickStriker in the game this looks like a kind of obvious clue. Also he was the first to respond to the first Sheriff Candidacy anouncement of Fulgrim, drawing attention to himself being "amused" by Fulgrim's "I'm not a mafia" comment. This intruiged me. I think that analysis overall was extremely good, from reading up on some earlier Mafia games it seems that the host often likes the come up with elaborate or entertaining deaths. This in itself makes the " With a quick attack " stand out far more in my eyes, and somewhat exonerates the other as possibly just being a whimsical choice by the host. In all honesty this by itself is enough to make me fairly suspicious and Quickstriker I am still more suspicious when I see some of what you have typed. In particular your reaction to no_re's non-serious accusation where you are essentially saying we must "hold off any action untill the DT comes forward and leads us through the valley of death and into the promised land" - I paraphrased, This however, as far as I can tell is an exceptionally bad strategy, the point of electing a mayor or sherrif is someone who seems active, discerning and importantly decisive, and your suggestion of sit and wait reeks to me on manipulation at an early stage. p.s. am i doin it rite?[/QUOTE] | ||
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Was thinking this as I would presume a game can be doomed from the start if there is an incompetant Mafia team and so to try to avoid this roles could be influenced, however small, in this way. This is just complete conjecture and a thought that i decided to share, but if Bloody could explain if the roles are allotted on a completely random basis or if there is some choice in the matter I would be interested to know  | ||
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So thats what i meant by survival instinct as the town could be more suspicious of me and the mafia, knowing i am not one of them, could ifind it easier to persuade others to vote lynch, | ||
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This is simply a hypothesis, I am not claiming quickstriker to be mafia I am however very suspicious of him at the moment and look forward to him posting more. | ||
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You mention me by name, why? am i more likely to be a mafia because of that clue than any of the other people with blank profiles, Does my editing and explaining why afterwards make me more likely to be mafia? Neither of those two assertions has any merit and i challenge you to make a clear and logical argument as to why. That leaves me with possibilites then, you are annoyed that I have openly stated that i find you very suspicious and a possible mafia and in light of this have decided to name me as a kind of "i know you are but what am i" kind of defence. Of course you could have this reaction if you are a townie and upset about having suspicion cast on you this early because obviously no-one wants to die but for the record, with every post you make I consider you more and more red. Also you and cresentia seem exceptionally like minded and supportive of each other and as such if one of you is red i would be inclined to believe the other one is as well. But anyway my main point is this, I have provided clear reasons as for why I have named you as a suspicious person. Likewise please provide clear explanation for everyone to see and assess as for why you have named me, otherwise i suspect they may draw similar conclusions that i have. | ||
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I don't agree that we ought to lynch the person who has posted least in any way though and am also inclined to think that the mafia have not adopted this strategy of just letting the town fuck it up for themselves. Its worth considering however as it would be quite an intelligent ploy and also a kinda interesting social experiment ^^ | ||
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I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act. I feel i am a decisive person who can evaluate people well and will do everything in my power to lead the town to what I hope to be a penetrating victory. On a somewhat different tangent: There has been, by some players, a great emphasis on the DT and what he "ought" to do, without giving myself away entirely I will simply say this, I am NOT the DT and i would advise whoever it is to disregard alot of the "advice" that has been given as to what he ought to do at this stage, quite frankly almost every reference to the DT from some posters so far seems like an attempt to identify and kill him off early and the "advice" given in reference to him is questionable at best. Furthermore anyone who wishes to question anything about My posts or has any suspicions at all I will respond with openly and what I will intend to be clear and rational. I urge people to vote me in, I think i am likely to be a target for a mafia given the nature of my posts and openess of my suspicions and so on that basis only i would enjoy the protection. I also feel strongly that some conclusions I have made so far are both logical and valid and as such am compelled to be able to act on them and being elected would make this possible. I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve! Oh as I mentioned skype if anyone is feeling psychological and thinks they would be able to vet me better by talking to me about mafia I would welcome the opportunity to voice chat about it, also i live in a cave and have no friends so it would be good to grab some  | ||
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Unless you can provide a better argument as to why the Mafia would only put one person forward for election I am inclined to think they are far more likely to put many people forward to be elected. | ||
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Kinda funny that we have so much inactivity and then suddenly an avalanche of posts xD | ||
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 I quite like reading "DT" alot as they have served me quite well in PvT's for ages ^^ | ||
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In that hypothesis i feel i would have achieved something as it would lend itself very well to helping me evaluate other players who would be inextricably linked (in my mind) with the outcome if you turned out to be non-mafia. I do however feel out of everyone so far that you are the most obviously Mafia and if I am wrong i would have to do alot of inner thinking and possibly some meditation. It's nothing personal btw so please don't take it as such this is just honestly my opinion on the matter as of this moment. | ||
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However if i do die and Im gonna put it out there i think i might, have a glance towards the people accusing me and take that into consideration townies. also the skype offer was genuine if you think i am lying then come online and chat to me lol, im pretty sure that would get accross my innocence of being red far better. | ||
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what do you even mean by this? seriously explain yourself more clearly. And furthermore if my posts had "absolute unneccesary purpose into the thread in the first place" how on earth does my post just above provide purpose for them? You literally are making no sense to me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + The above was a joke but being aware that Quick is likely to attempt to alter everything i post in an attempt to cast suspicion on me just thought it be clear! also Quicksilver is up to his neck in it in terms of being mafia and his consistent tones of "oh i'd going to make this accusation but just as a neutral person im not actually accusing" again reek, like his posts completely up to this point. as him being Mafia. I would like to reiterate that If elected i would swiftly and decisively kill him. Anyone who, from reading the posts in this thread, has come to a similar conclusion i either urge to put themselves forward as candidates or vote for me only intended to put the first sentence in a spoiler i kinda got carried away, i feel like the kids at willy wonka's factory who just delve too far... | ||
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To simplyfy, As of yet I seem to be fairly lonesome and this in itself i feel is telling and perhaps exonerating. | ||
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This is slightly meaningless in the sense that it is purely from my perspective under the hypothesis that I am not Mafia yet that is my position. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On January 21 2010 11:53 dozko wrote: Nice to get some more activity in our provincial town  I will be abstaining from voting for now but will do so when i wake up tomorrow, I now have a better idea of who to go for. However, despite all the possible clues so far we have discussed I must say I have a gut feeling that XeliN might in fact be the red scum going for mayor/sheriff : 1) [QUOTE]On January 20 2010 17:19 XeliN wrote: Also I put myself forward to run for election. Considered not doing as I have a survival instinct and don't want to have too much attention drawn to myself at an early stage but in all honesty I think i would be a good choice for either of the roles. [/QUOTE] You are called out by a certain member whose name now escapes me, and you ignore this but go off on a tangent. Given that you have made your claim to mayordom about a dozen of posts ago it seems weird you bring this up now. 2) If you look at his posts you will notice a certain tendency. He basically commentates a lot: i.e. he likes to state things which are obvious. To me this seems like some attempt to subtly gain credibility by not saying anything too provocative but still going with the trend a lot, since by saying obvious things no one can disagree with him and hence when people read the posts they will be subconsciously be lead to believe he is credible and trustworthy. Even if he is not red this still is not good since we all can read for ourselves and he is not adding any analytical value so far. 3) His last point, does not respond to an accusation from another poster but simply explains his campaign. What strikes me is that he is the only candidate who is speaking in definite terms i.e. [QUOTE]On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote: My candidacy for Mayor. I strongly believe that some of the Mafia have already given themselves away at a very early stage in this and as such know preciciely what I plan on doing were i to be elected into either of the roles. This is subject to change and reconsideration but let me be frank, I would vote to lynch, kill or incarcerate Quickstriker and or crescentia. There are others that I have suspicions about but nothing as strong as my feeling that both of these posters (Most specifically Quickstriker) are being manipulative and acting in a fashion that i would expect the Mafia to act. Now why would he write this when it is clear that he has a very   SMall chance of actually being correct, and he knows it? I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself (further putting emphasis on point 2).4) He claims that he will be a top priority for the mafia and we should protect him because of the "openess" of his posts. Well this makes no sense at all, because a) So far he has not said anything significant (still keeping his master plan under wraps) and b) the mafia would be silly to kill him, since that actually gives us MORE information than letting him live. 5) [QUOTE]On January 21 2010 10:53 XeliN wrote: I am also slightly drunk as i was playing HoN with a friend on skype and drinking abit so i probably ought to wait untill putting forward a post like this but what did waiting ever acheieve! [/QUOTE] This paragraph makes me very suspicious. Firstly why bring up that you have been drinking at all? The most likely   ReasoN is that he can use that as an additional tool, to make people not read too much into his post. Again it seems he is trying to say obvious and genuine things to win our trust. Secondly and more worryingly look at the grammar of the quoted paragraph. Note that before the paragraph about the drinking, he has only committed 2 spelling mistakes in 350 words; yet in a single 37 word paragraph commits 3 spelling mistakes. I believe these are intentional and he is artificially supporting his drunken claim.6) He keeps repeating that people who disagree with him are welcome to an open debate. Well this again is obvious. Anything posted here is obviously open for debate, and the fact that he keeps telling us this, coupled with the fact that he hasn't been called out so far again furthers his aim to gain our trust. Note how he has been far busier in making these types of posts rather than actually trying to analyze for clues. 7) In the last paragraph of his post he does what ? You guessed it, going for the "friend available" routine, which again serves to further the aforementioned goals. I do not think so many repetitions and emphasis placement on one concept is random. He seems to spend too much time on strategies to further his own aims rather than the towns'.[/QUOTE] Point 1) I cannot respond to as you make it as vague as possible both who is supposed to have accused me earlier and also what the nature of his accusation is. You state neither of these things. And secondly I have not made a claim to martyrdom, I have made a claim to Innoncence , please don't spin things in order to evoke a preffered reaction in the kind of way a politician might. And as for "It seems weird you would bring this up now", I am not certain as to what you are specificially referring to (my post, a certain part of it, what?) but i do not see why stating that I put myself up for election is weird in any way. Either I am Mafia looking to enjoy all the benefits being a Mayor//Sherrif could bring or I am with the Town and have put myself forward in order to take out the Mafia. Either way it is not "weird" Point 2) Immediately the first thing that stands out to me is that lack of anything specific or concrete, You claim what I am posting is obvious and things that everyone could realise and that I am trying to gain trust by posted them in this way. Give Examples How you can make this number of vague and ambiguous points up till now without at least trying to cite specific examples where i do what you are saying is beyond me. I will say no more on this point as the argument against me here is simply opinion and poorly sustantiated opinion at that. I will let others decide the value and nature of my posting and will be happy to respond if you actually acuse things that are specific and that I can respond to. Point 3 Again you mention another accusation from another poster, please be more specific. Your main point here is that I am speaking in definite terms, TOO RIGHT! I have made my current intentions as to what I would do if I was Mayor quite clear, I aim to be decisive and whilst the arguments listed for waiting and erring from action have some merit I think they are comparatively wrong and it is in the Towns best interest to act swiftly and analyse peoples posts and their advice or intentions and as a result decide who to kill//incarcerate. Oh and your last point as to why I was doing this was you said, "I think it is because he wants to further add some false credibility to himself". As this like much of your "accusations" although I am inclined to call them musings, is just opinion I cannot really comment on it as it is not an argument but simply say no I am not. Point 4 You are wrong here, I simply claimed that I might be a possible target and would enjoy the protection that being one of the elected candidates would bring. Again you seem to have made an exaggeration in the same way you did in point 1 with "Martyr" in order to elicit some kind of negative response, I frown upon this. I would like to be open, active and hopefully clear and decisive throughout this game and am concious that doing so might bring attention towards me from the Mafia. Point 5 I am not going to comment on this paragraph other than simply this. 1) I was drinking and playing HoN with a freind, it was just an offhand comment and not meant to be analysed with surgical percision but as you seem to have done so I will respond with, you are wrong. 2) The friend is Nytefish on teamliquid and im sure would corroborate, although he wasnt drinking himself. Point 6 Your argument here is twofold, The first one is that I keep emphasising that everything is open for debate, CITE EXAMPLES, im not saying you are wrong but having to try to counter argue someone who might as well be saying nothing due to how general your arguments are is irritating. If i am stating that everything is open to debate with people who disagree with me (and from what i remember of my postings I haven't been overly doing this) actually, this again is a meaningless accusation, as far as I can tell I have been clear about my suspicions and it has in fact been others who are stressing "but it could be wrong, we ought to wait, I think you may be right but also be wrong" e.t.c and I have tryed to stay away from making these kinds of posts. Point 7 I think you are reffering to my jokingly typing that I have no friends and asking anyone from Mafia if they want to chat on skype. I was slightly drunk and bored and quite simply would have enjoyed doing so, there is no more to it than that. Well thats a fun way to start the day, Hopefully I have provided a valid defence of these unfortunately vague and opinionated accusations. I would suggest that many of them are not worth the paper they are not written on least of all the pc screens they are showing on for reasons given above, but I hope others analyse the arguments from both sides and post their thoughts. | ||
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I take back that I think you should be lynched. None of what you have posted so far is enough to make that kind of judgement. I still strongly believe that Quickstriker ought to be the first person to be lynched and he would remain my choice. | ||
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and 2 accusations against people I am almost certain are Mafia Dzoko - He put the time and effort into a wealth of posts both stating how my actions are suspicious and my reasoning is false. Yet when I likewise make a big block countering him, he simply dismisses it saying "you did not address my points" or something similar. I am almost certain he is Mafia. Quickstriker - The reasons I suspect Quickstrike and why others view him to be a suspect have already been made clear and have not changed. Get rid of these 2 obvious Mafia, dzoko might as well be holding a tommygun and chatting with al capone for how obvious he has made it from his posting and the clue and subsequent postings of Quickstriker have done likewise. | ||
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Be Clear, the "big block counter" I posted wasn't just to try to persuade the town that I am a Townie, it was also a test to see how you would in turn respond. I challenge you to go through precicely what points of yours I "ignored" and also to be more clear about what your points were. If you do this and in a way which is clear and not ambiguous and generalising then you will look far less suspicious. This is quite fun for me as I am mainly posting this for others to see, I myself am almost certain you are mafia and would quite frankly just enjoy trying to stich you up. Your move shelock. | ||
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I'm hopeful that this is quite a good proposition for the town to give serious consideration too. please do so ^^ | ||
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I will happily consent to being lynched first on one condition, If I am lynched and it turns out I am, as I claim to be, a humble Green Townie, then quickstriker and dozko will be the next people lynched. to add a further condition, say I am lynched first and am a townie, then the town decides to lynch Quickstriker and he is also a townie, then my condition of lynching them both is void and as I would have been wrong on quickstriker in this hypothesis then dozko would not be lynched. So to emphasise, two propositions If the town agree to lynch Quickstriker and Dozko first and one of them is not Mafia, Then I propose that I be the next person to be lynched OR I propose that I be the first person lynched on the one simple condition that If I am innocent then Dozko and Quickstriker will be lynched next I would prefer the first but am completely happy to do the second as well. Dying sucks but i think i would be greatly helping the town by doing so in this instance. | ||
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For Dozko it is more intriguing and based on a number of things. Warning wall of text coming up yet again, but as i was asked... + Show Spoiler + I have already mentioned his long accusatory post against me, if people read it and I mean seriously take the time to study it, then you can see just how vague, opinionated (by this i mean using assumptions such as "i think xelin is mafia and is typing//doing x for the ulterior motive of achieving y") This immedatiately made me suspicious of him and also i want lie, quite annoyed by him as most of his accusations, when analysed were simply jargon. Now i would judge he is at least reasonably intelligent, something along the lines of a small dolphin or middle aged monkey, and as such there struck me as two distinctly contrasting elements to that and a couple of other posts he made that stood out. He puts a lot of effort into accusing and placing suspicion on me YET the things he is accusing and suspicions he is trying to raise are vague, general and opinionated. This struck me as a distinctly Mafia like thing to do, he would achieve confusion and suspicion amongst the townies and also detract from any credibility i might have. Further more after this i PM'd him saying "You really are a dickhead, what points am i supposed to have ignored?" (This was after i posted my "big block defense" and he didnt acknowledge or respond to ANY of it instead simply stated that I ignored his points. He then responded "Whats with your nerdrage? Grow up and learn to read. Thats the main point of the game." I felt that any Honest Townie, would be far more likely to possibly put the nerdrage bit sure, but would also have said what i was supposed to have ignored. He still has not told me or the rest of the town what points i am supposed to have ignored and instead just left it in the backround//past. Another reason i suspect him and is I have the knowledge that I am innocent, with this in mind people seeming to go out of their way to accuse me, particularly in ways that are illogical and unfounded which is what dozko has done, are highly suspicious. I could go on im sure there are more reasons but hopefully for now this gives enough for people to think about | ||
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Actually if i am killed by Mafia by then I won't be able to, in a hypothetical where i am killed b4 posting then plz give serious thought to lynching Quick Dozko and i would suggest Shockeyy as well. | ||
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With this, and everything else I have posted in mind, take QuickStrikers compilation with a pinch of salt, although hopefully i will be around to analyse it as well. Caio! | ||
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Theres no need to wait for day 2 clues. Lynch me now so that my innocence can put forward a stronger argument than anything I have posted yet and then take my arguments more seriously. tbh if I was the Mayor I would also Lynch me as if I am innocent you would unfortunately lose a green townie but you would also gain a wealth of information in that you could go over the events in this thread from a new perspective. The perspective that I am a Townie and come to conclusions on other peoples posts based on that. So to conclude I agree that I should be lynched. If I have done my job right then doing so can only help the townies no matter what my role is. | ||
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Can't tell you how happy I am that there is at least one person that realises that It's clear I'm not Mafia. PM is not rlly to do with this game, in all honesty I think the mafia are gonna win this which is annoying, but thanks for the support Hopefully there are others who haven't posted but will come to the same conclusion. Thought i might let you know out of all the people I have accused here is how I would rank my suspicion 1. Dozko, I literally have no doubts on him, if he is not Mafia then my god he is very dumb 2. Quickstriker, I am less certain about him but only compared to Dozko, this is only because I am still laying alot of emphasis on the "quick attack" clue. I think the clue is significant but also his posting has seemed very mafia like altho more subtle and toned down than Dozko 3. Shockeyy, I am kinda compelled to lump him with QuickStriker, he seems like Quickstrikers cheerleader and the only situation I can see whereby he is innocent is either if A) he is friends qith quickstriker before this game and quick has managed to persuade him he is innocent and thereby gain his support OR I am wrong on Quickstriker even though both his posts and the clue itself are very suspicious and thus missed the mark completely on both of them This seems unlikely though and tbh i think all three are red Also out of the two people who have been elected I am far more suspicious of Tree.hugger than cresentia although it is possible they are both mafia. For tree.hugger to completely ignore//miss the significance of what i kinda offered, which is essentially that I am happy to die as long as when it transpires I am Green that the town then take action against others is kinda telling | ||
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I literally see no reason why you would dismiss lynching me. Do it, unless you have a legitimate candidate alrdy that you are highly suspicious of and think it would be more beneificial to lynch but as far as I can tell you do not. You will gain an awful lot by lynching me, and ignorance of this will be viewed, I hope, by the town on large as suspicious. | ||
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On January 24 2010 11:07 dozko wrote: I disagree with you on this laaan. I think clues should be the primary factors which generate suspicion, since we have them black on white and we know they lead to the mafia. In contrast it is much harder to judge whether a post is a clue or giveaway since it is easy for people to obscure their roles. Therefore I believe it is better to create suspicion from the narration and then verify it with posts. Yeah but you are likely to say that Dozko as it is your posts that have labelled you a cigar chewing Mafia bandit and not the clues yet. I agree with Voting double lynch on our first day and my two picks would be Dozko and Quickstriker. | ||
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Either way I think after Quickstriker is shown to be red it may be more obvious that I am Green I also stand by what I said earlier on if quickstriker is Green I will happily walk the plank and not put up a defence. (be lynched) shame Dozko won't be lynched as I am far more certain of him than Quickstriker... | ||
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I'm gonna need therapy after this thread | ||
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I am very curious to hear Cresentia and Laaan's deeper explanation to their votes. I very much do not suspect Laaan and am suprised he voted Softer, cresentia I am more suspicious of. Before this i posted a link to my friend of the 7 suspects I would choose, at a push, to be Mafia ShoCkey Dozko Quickstriker Haster ~OpZ~ Jonnyspazz Tree.Hugger Haster is dubious, all he is done is somewhat irrationally voted for me and given some of my posts its more than possible he could have just got the wrong idea and believed I am Mafia. As such Cresentia could be the substitute for Haster. For the love of god can we plz Lynch one of these next round, if we go one more time with lynching a Townie this game is completely lost, as of now it is barely salvagable. | ||
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With Tree.Hugger out of the picture we can actually stand a chance of our votes meaning something and the Mafia may not be able to just outvote us each occasion as shown most obviously by the Softer lynch last. Tree.Hugger is my pick for lynch | ||
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But sure i will go over the reasons later on about Tree. | ||
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making sure the town don't pick of a mafia by outvoting them and killing someone such as Softer for instance | ||
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On January 27 2010 12:10 ~OpZ~ wrote: Okay jack ass, I've done proposed we lynch quickstriker....You're just mad I voted for you. And called you retarded. Find a clue that points at me, then lynch me. I dare you. You won't find any that work BECAUSE I'M NOT MAFIA. That is all. Xelin I find anyone who is arguing for me to be Mafia as they themselves Mafia tbh. I think it's gotten to a point where you have to be an idiot or have an ulterior motive to consider me Mafia and as such that was the only reason I added you to the list of people i would choose. | ||
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I spent a while thinking about it and thought that it makes absolutely no sense for it to be included by accident (most of the day//night posts are descriptive//imaginative and this stood out) so assumed it must be a clue. | ||
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