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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 14:35 GMT
#1149
The cleanliness? That's somewhat description of a doctor. Regardless none of the other clues are so obvious either, and I'm not dead set on anything at the moment.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 17:28 GMT
#1153
There are plenty of people who still haven't voted... mine isn't the only one that counts
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 17:37 GMT
#1157
On January 25 2010 02:28 tredmasta wrote:
Hey guys, sorry I haven't posted in a while. I was not at home all of yesterday.

I saw that I had been suspected, but I think overall, the clues point more to flamewheel91. My name is based off of a treadmill, but nothing else in my profile seems to really fit the clues.


Well... why exactly do you think flamewheel91 fits better? The only thing incriminating him is the pic in his profile...
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 18:32 GMT
#1166
According to an after-death post, he told DrH and Citi.zen. Jugan apparently found out on his own, and was just questioning DrH about it.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 18:33 GMT
#1167
On January 25 2010 02:49 StimiLant wrote:
keit has cookie monster pic in profile which ties to the apple shoved down a throat like cookie monster shoves cookies down his


Also the barbaric appearance
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 19:13 GMT
#1170
Nothing new, but just to summarize for people not following as closely,

Some of the top suspects:

kane]deth[: A kane is a musical instrument that looks similar to a cross between a bucket and a top hat, and is played with a mallet. Killer #2 was wearing a rusty bucket and killed his victim with a sledgehammer. Also kane hasn't been posting too much.

tredmasta/flamewheel: tredmasta is a reference to a treadmill. flamewheel has a picture of an olympic runner. The killer #1 is discribed as having an relentless plotting pace. Also the victim is described as running at nearly Olympian speed. The plotting pace could refer to the endless cycle of a treadmill or the stamina of an Olympian.

keit: Cookie monster profile pic could be the barbaric reference in Day 1, as well, the killer shoves an apple down the throat of his victim, similar to how Cookie monster does with cookies. Again made somewhat more suspicious by keit's lack of posting here.

DoctorHeveltica: Killer #2 in Day one was described as very cleanly, making sure to clean up after he had finished, somewhat reminiscent of a Doctor. Although a bigger hint would be the thin blade that could be a reference to a scalpel. Also DrH was one of the 3 people that knew that Bill Murray was a detective. Having said that, Bill wasn't exactly discrete about his actions and this should be considered suspicious but not entirely incriminating.

Less clue related suspicions:

ghote: Perhaps too bandwagony (if that's a word). Even admitted himself that his vote to lynch kane was just following the popular choice. He has made a couple of arguably suspicious posts of this nature.

A couple others but I hesitate to put them here since they don't seem to have a solid basis yet.




If I have forgotten anything, or said anything incorrectly feel free to point it out.

meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 19:22 GMT
#1172
My thoughts...

The kane]deth[ connection is actually the weakest to me... for right now at least. Its true that the shape of the instrument is strangely similar... but its not really a bucket, nor should be rusty, and there was mention of "a wild animal being set loose in his garage". Something I don't think is a coincedence.

My vote would go for either tredmasta or flamewheel91 since both have a fairly strong relation. Personally the description rings too much like trying to outrun a treadmill to me that I would say tredmasta.

keit and DrH are both close to the top of my list for different reasons, but they're shakier than the tredmasta link. The cookiemonster theory can't explain the odd appearance of an apple, and DrH has good points when he says that the Mafia could've figured out Bill's blue role without anyone needing to tip them off.

As for ghote, I think for now at least, there's nothing too solid linking him, but somewhere on the threat level beneath keit and DrH.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 20:18 GMT
#1175
Well since the abstain votes currently outnumber the people voting, I'm gonna go with my gut and vote for tredmasta unless someone produces a better argument in the next little while.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 24 2010 20:44 GMT
#1179
He's called the Beijing Man I think...
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 03:05 GMT
#1224
What? Seriously, how could people honestly think that kane]deth[ was a stronger link than an olympic runner or a treadmill?
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 03:14 GMT
#1226
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


I don't think the clues even pointed towards kane... it was kinda a stretch from the beginning and I don't know why people went for it. I've already explained why I voted for tredmasta. I wouldn't say we should back away from clues, but think more objectively when considering them. A kane is a fairly obscure musical instrument... and if you ask someone on the street "what does this look like" I assure you they will almost never say "bucket"
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 03:27 GMT
#1229
On January 25 2010 12:15 789 wrote:
Tredmasta was as much of a stretch as kane was. I was considering voting for flamewheel, but at the time I voted it wouldn't have mattered.

It is all a moot point if Zona is right about us reading the clues wrong.


I'd have to disagree, the tredmasta/flamewheel link was way stronger imo... The chances of kane actually referring to that hat-like instrument were low, but also it doesn't look like a bucket. I know I've posted a picture and argued in favour of this case before. But if you look at it objectively, and you're not trying to see a bucket, then its not there, whereas running/olympic runner/treadmill can't be imagined.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 03:55 GMT
#1238
On January 25 2010 12:51 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 12:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 25 2010 11:43 Zona wrote:
Man, one thing I really want is for all voters to post why they voted the way they did. If we're going to focus away from clue-based mafia hunting (since it hasn't done us much good so far), this kind of reasoning is the minimum required.

Town members, even those with blue powers, need to post more (and never lie, although it's fine to deny knowledge and post suspicions even when you're not sure), so that mafia can't get by without posting. Then mafia who do post might eventually slip up by posting contradictions or lies that they had to make to keep their identity secret.


Since I've asked for people to explain their votes, I might as well start.

I came to the thread pretty close to the deadline as I was working all afternoon on other things so it was too late to really be influencing outcomes. But since this is something that's a good ploy for mafia members to use, I'll do my best to get in early in the next discussion. I ended up stacking an unnecessary extra vote on kane just to see if the olympic clue really was that straightforward, but it wasn't. I do think we should focus away from clue-based mafia hunting for now.


Why I voted the way I did:

I voted for kane]deth[ initially because of the evidence meeple posted. However, keits clues from Day 1 and his finger pointing behavior/inactivity convinced me he is more likely mafia than kane.

Aggressive finger pointing isnt something a mafia would do too much I think.


Agreed... or at least they shouldn't do it.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 03:57 GMT
#1240
On January 25 2010 12:34 ghote wrote:
... i chose to vote the way i did, because when i saw the votes, it seamed that the only person getting votes, was kane. everyone had already taken there votes off of flamewheel, and nobody had voted for Hobbes (the two people who i think fit the clues the best) so i stuck with the crowed, because i dont think a single vote for the eather of those two would have mattered.


You can't always just follow the crowd and use that as a crutch. Eventually you'll need to form your own opinion and defend it.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 04:08 GMT
#1244
On January 25 2010 12:58 789 wrote:
Anyway, at some point this night cycle we're going to need to give the blues advice on how to use their abilities. If the detectives (I hope we have 1 left at least) didn't use the role check to find a person to trust tactic ... they could do that. It would also be nice if they could use their clue checking abilities to find out incognito's clue writing style.


From the beginning they should have been checking people and expanding their network, hopefully the detectives have been doing that.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 04:22 GMT
#1253
On January 25 2010 13:16 789 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 13:10 Mystlord wrote:
I think at this point we can definitely trust citi.zen. And I'm almost certain that citi.zen is being protected by medics. We might be able to structure a town leadership through him. meeple is probably also trustworthy, I'm just a bit less sure about that.


I say Zona is pretty trustworthy right now.


Not that I distrust Zona... but I would stick to people we know are trustworthy. Zona seems really objective, but thats not entirely a reason to trust him just yet. Citi.zen can probably be trusted at the moment.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 04:42 GMT
#1262
On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.

your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea


This has been said before. We should be looking at clues as well as behavior. The clues are there to guide us, but not solid enough that they should stand alone.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 05:30 GMT
#1266
On January 25 2010 14:07 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2010 13:37 ghote wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:36 flamewheel91 wrote:
On January 25 2010 13:27 JohannesH wrote:
At the moment we dont have much anything besides incognitos clues which are unreliable to the max. So some fingerpointing is much better than just staying silent and lynching the dude whos got a strange picture on profile.


Interesting point: we do seem to be reading clues wrongly.
Both as a means of defense for myself (since I have not been clearly, and rightly so since logically I could still be a mafia member) and as a new (semi-new) train of thought:

At this time, we are going to be extending networks to those who we feel like we can trust in. Therefore, more information about players can be spread this way. Perhaps, as a few people have stated, it would be more in our interests to watch actions, not clues.

your right we should just not look at clues and blindly hang anyone who pisses us of nice idea

Not blindly you moron. But who pisses who off, how people react to different accusations, force choices of voting on people, thats how this game is played. Just playing a riddle solving game out of the clues would be retarded.


Cmon man, namecalling? We're not in 5th grade. Calm down.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 13:59 GMT
#1281
On January 25 2010 22:28 citi.zen wrote:
One more comment: there is a mention after the last lynching of the second amendment, which is the right to bear guns.


Are there clues in the lynchings??
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 25 2010 16:26 GMT
#1294
On January 26 2010 00:28 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 00:08 citi.zen wrote:
Just keep in mind that t_co was lynched solely on suspicious behavior. I am not saying it is always the wrong approach, just that it can easily backfire.

Aggressive behaviour shouldnt be considered suspicious most of the time. Thats the stance we should take collectively. Inactivity is whats suspicious.

And in the end, it isnt right now so crucial as who we lynch right now since lets face it - it far more likely to hit a townie at this point. What matters is getting discussion with substance, to pile clues for later.


I would mostly agree with this. Some people would argue that we lynched kane]deth[ off clues, but I think it was mainly because he didn't protest at all.

Regardless, what are people's ideas concerning the double lynches? Should we only use it if we're absolutely sure of two mafia?
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