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On January 24 2010 09:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We have a large pool of suspects right now, based on clues. Both Hobbes and flamewheel91 also connect to clues from the Day 2 post as well as kane/tredmasta/Mystlord.
tredmasta has been extremely inactive, as well as kane]deth[, which imo makes both them more suspicious. Hobbes has been somewhat active, although mostly defensive, but his behavior doesn't come across as suspicious.
At this point is there a reason you pick kan]deth[ over tredmasta or the others?
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On January 24 2010 10:20 Mystlord wrote:I was planning to pick through the clues myself, but well, other people already did it  . In any case, I agree that we should hold off on the double lynch. I think it would be the most effective once we lynch at least 1 mafia so we can possibly bring their KP down to 2 while giving us the most clues. So here's my suspects: Killing 1 - flamewheel91. I can see your point about tredmasta meeple, but to tread doesn't mean to chase relentlessly or to plod. I think the olympic runner tie in is much more believable. Killing 2 - kane]deth[. This has been discussed before and I don't see any other references to the methods that were used to kill Bill Murray in any profile. Killing 3 - Not sure. I honestly can't find a suitable match without stretching a little bit, so I'll leave this blank for now. Now as for meeple's accusation of me regarding the third clue, my quote is a reference to Cirno from The Touhou Project. The circles around the letters are a reference to her famous (or infamous) ⑨ designation, which has become almost synonymous with stupidity in the Touhou community. The reason that it says "eye" instead of "I" is because in Japanese, Cirno uses the personal pronoun "atai" to refer to herself, which is a rather childish way to do it. In English, you can't get the same connotation, so I decided to substitute "eye" just for the heck of it . As for her catch phrase, here's the relevant part from the earlier article link: Show nested quote +Cirno's catchphrase (in doujin works), "I'm the strongest!," comes from her dialogue in PoFV, where she announces this in her scenario, while being everyone else's stage one boss. She also says it when winning with herself in Phantasmagoria of Flower View and in Hisoutensoku. Phantasmagoria of Flower View (PoFV) and Hisoutensoku are both games in the series, but the irony here is that she's actually not the strongest, rather she's the weakest (Stage 1 boss while there are 9 Stages total). Make of it what you will, but I think some context is necessary.
I wasn't saying that treading meant to plod/chase, but rather the fact that he couldn't outrun the attacker, and the fact that you can't really outrun a treadmill (for which treadmaster is a brand), and it will always keep the same pace (ie, plod).
For me thats a stronger connection/better connection than flamewheel
The connection between you and the third killer is shaky at best, which is why I put my faith behind the first killer
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On January 24 2010 10:32 Mystlord wrote:Sorry for the edit, but I honestly don't remember what I edited >.< Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 10:27 meeple wrote:On January 24 2010 10:20 Mystlord wrote:I was planning to pick through the clues myself, but well, other people already did it . In any case, I agree that we should hold off on the double lynch. I think it would be the most effective once we lynch at least 1 mafia so we can possibly bring their KP down to 2 while giving us the most clues. So here's my suspects: Killing 1 - flamewheel91. I can see your point about tredmasta meeple, but to tread doesn't mean to chase relentlessly or to plod. I think the olympic runner tie in is much more believable. Killing 2 - kane]deth[. This has been discussed before and I don't see any other references to the methods that were used to kill Bill Murray in any profile. Killing 3 - Not sure. I honestly can't find a suitable match without stretching a little bit, so I'll leave this blank for now. Now as for meeple's accusation of me regarding the third clue, my quote is a reference to Cirno from The Touhou Project. The circles around the letters are a reference to her famous (or infamous) ⑨ designation, which has become almost synonymous with stupidity in the Touhou community. The reason that it says "eye" instead of "I" is because in Japanese, Cirno uses the personal pronoun "atai" to refer to herself, which is a rather childish way to do it. In English, you can't get the same connotation, so I decided to substitute "eye" just for the heck of it . As for her catch phrase, here's the relevant part from the earlier article link: Cirno's catchphrase (in doujin works), "I'm the strongest!," comes from her dialogue in PoFV, where she announces this in her scenario, while being everyone else's stage one boss. She also says it when winning with herself in Phantasmagoria of Flower View and in Hisoutensoku. Phantasmagoria of Flower View (PoFV) and Hisoutensoku are both games in the series, but the irony here is that she's actually not the strongest, rather she's the weakest (Stage 1 boss while there are 9 Stages total). Make of it what you will, but I think some context is necessary. I wasn't saying that treading meant to plod/chase, but rather the fact that he couldn't outrun the attacker, and the fact that you can't really outrun a treadmill (for which treadmaster is a brand), and it will always keep the same pace (ie, plod). For me thats a stronger connection/better connection than flamewheel The connection between you and the third killer is shaky at best, which is why I put my faith behind the first killer Wait Treadmaster is a treadmill brand? When I google Treadmaster I get: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=treadmaster&btnG=Search&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=Am I missing something here?
https://www.xstreetsl.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=773537
I was under the impression that it was a colloquialism
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Although now you've put doubt in my mind...
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To be honest, I'm not totally comfortable with the decision to be made for today either, but we still need to make a decision. I don't mind waiting for the double lynch, but it would suck to be pressured into it...
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I wouldn't really risk lynching off inactivity... we can't really afford to lose any green at this point
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If we combine behavior and clues we should be able to come up with some good choices
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keit could also possibly fit into the clues and inactive category. Cookie monster could be a link to the first killer on Day 1 and he hasn't posted at all, other than to vote
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So what do you think... safest to go with clues and not active or clues and active?
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On January 24 2010 14:05 StimiLant wrote:
kanedeth, it seems to me based on day twos clues you are a top suspect, rebuddle in ur defence before i vote for ur death? plz give strong arguments
I'd like to hear a couple people defend yourself actually,
kane
keit
tredmasta
If you have anything to say, say it now
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ghote can you explain why you chose to vote for kane]deth[ and double lynch?
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Well the clues are here to point us in the right direction... although I agree with ghote and hyperbola, what are your reasons for the other two...
And why do you think they're more suspicious than someone like keit, who hides in the shadows and can be linked to some clues?
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On January 24 2010 15:47 JohannesH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 15:31 Ser Aspi wrote:
We absolutely cannot go with clues. A much safer thing would be to see who we are accusing on clues and declare them innocent. That's how little clues mean right now.
Mafia often seem to try to hide in da shadows while the town goes crazy with clues and accuses the people who are in the open the most like t_co. unfortunately they almost always kill innocents while doing so. We should be targeting the people on the fringes above all else.
I think that instead of going crazy on clues we should force the people who are not really contributing to step up or die. Zona had the right idea before but he drowned out by the clue posts. I'll start.
Hyperbola
Cynanmachae
JohannesH
Ghote
i don't trust any of you. All of you are sitting aside quietly not helping at all. Better start contributing or your red blood will fly. Everyone help contribute so we can get good information. <3 But gotta agree that clues mostly distract us at this point, we might get lucky and hit a gangsta but thats pretty unlikely to me - and even if we get them that way, we cant really connect them to other mafiamen with that method. I would take under suspicion anyone who votes for a double lynch, either they are mafia trying to cut the townie count faster & save themselves from it at later date, or just really stupid which isnt desirable either.
Right now most of the votes are based off clues... who would you suggest instead?
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I'm not convinced of the worthiness of getting the double lynch. We don't really know enough to get two, and we're basically betting that tommorow we'll know significantly more than today, which is questionable. However we will get a bunch more clues and have an idea how everyone voted so its definitely possible we're able to finger two mafia tommorow.
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On January 24 2010 16:22 JohannesH wrote:Show nested quote +On January 24 2010 16:00 flamewheel91 wrote:On January 24 2010 15:47 JohannesH wrote:On January 24 2010 15:31 Ser Aspi wrote:
We absolutely cannot go with clues. A much safer thing would be to see who we are accusing on clues and declare them innocent. That's how little clues mean right now.
Mafia often seem to try to hide in da shadows while the town goes crazy with clues and accuses the people who are in the open the most like t_co. unfortunately they almost always kill innocents while doing so. We should be targeting the people on the fringes above all else.
I think that instead of going crazy on clues we should force the people who are not really contributing to step up or die. Zona had the right idea before but he drowned out by the clue posts. I'll start.
Hyperbola
Cynanmachae
JohannesH
Ghote
i don't trust any of you. All of you are sitting aside quietly not helping at all. Better start contributing or your red blood will fly. Everyone help contribute so we can get good information. <3 But gotta agree that clues mostly distract us at this point, we might get lucky and hit a gangsta but thats pretty unlikely to me - and even if we get them that way, we cant really connect them to other mafiamen with that method. I would take under suspicion anyone who votes for a double lynch, either they are mafia trying to cut the townie count faster & save themselves from it at later date, or just really stupid which isnt desirable either. So stupid = trying to get rid of an extra mafia member? However unlikely at this point, it's not considered "stupid," especially since you don't know how the detectives are working at this point. Focus being on the word trying. Why lynch more when we have less info, when we can wait and do it at a time where we have more info. Prime thing to look at i think would be to see what happened with Bill - people who were in touch with him are suspects to me, but not necessarily mafia ofc (well goes for everyone...) If the vote is centered around clue 1 vs clue 2, mafia choosing based on that pretty much zero info about their voting patterns for the future. And if theres just 1 real candidate for lynch in the end they can go with it, was that guy mafia or not. Gonna do some more reading & analysing at some point later... Shit is not easy :/
I agree that people associated with the whole Bill incident are a bit fishy... but it's kinda a shame he was so suspicious about it.
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On January 24 2010 16:33 Mystlord wrote:
Wait - You mean not so suspicious about it?
As for the double lynch, I still don't think we should use it just yet. I don't see the need to use it until we get at least 1 mafia.
He kept begging for Medic protection... and he did mention that he was "more active than it would appear" or something to that nature.
Its difficult to know whether or not the Mafia would be smart enough to take this as indication that he's a blue.
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Are you suggesting the thin blade -> DrH
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On January 24 2010 20:45 StimiLant wrote:
are u saying to lynch flamewheel before kane? how and why does that give more clues, kane hasnt even defended himself either
He's comparing the clues we get as a result of lynching either one, I think
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On January 24 2010 22:20 JohannesH wrote:
Would our sheriff be cunning enough to be mafia and play the way he has played now?
He writes articles all the time... I mean, he's a writer. It's not impossible to imagine he's that clever.
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And there's a stronger link to him than to really any of the others... He was in the middle of the whole Bill.Murray fiasco, and yeah you can chalk that up to the Mafia catching on, but you gotta admit its still pretty incriminating.
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