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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
January 26 2010 03:49 GMT
#1341
Well... at the moment I'm still considering the possibilities, but we desperately need some medic coordination, and citi.zen is basically the only person we can trust at this point. It might be wise at this point to start that movement.
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
January 26 2010 03:59 GMT
#1342
I suggest you take citi.zen in for protection. Hes the one to trust and protect the most.

And if you incarcerate someone when mafia is 1 person away from losing kill power, you get 100% sure indication if hes a part of mafia. That might be equally useful for confirming/revealing an active townie like meeple, or just making sure of a suspicious person.

If detectives have succesfully rolechecked a mafia, or clarified a lynching candidate to be green, I suggest you pm that to citi.zen. Well mafia might do that too but it could backfire so easily on them.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
tredmasta
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
China152 Posts
January 26 2010 04:18 GMT
#1343
On January 26 2010 11:32 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So there are a lot of things to consider now.

1. The new clues. I feel based on this that keit is the best choice for a town lynch.

2. The death of both bodyguards. Both myself and meeple are now able to be hit during the night. I would ask medics to cover either one of us. I can also use my incarceration power to protect meeple and a medic can cover me. This way, both of us are guaranteed to be covered tonight and the medics can't make the mistake of both protecting one of us.

I'd like it if everyone posted their plan of action, rather then getting right to arguing and drama. We all need to know where we all stand. Feel free to use the same template as I'm using or your own.

Who are your top three suspects?

1) keit. I feel the combined clues from today and day 1 strongly point toward him. Assuming the cookie monster is the assailant in both the first scenario of the first day and the third scenario of the third day, it all fits. His posting behavior is almost non-existent. He has been active only to accuse me of being mafia, probably a means by which to divide the town and distract attention away from actual mafia.

2) Hobbes. Not only have several clues from each day pointed toward him, but as some have pointed out: his posting history could be construed as suspicious, although not overwhelmingly so.

3) flamewheel91. The first scenario from day 2 strongly fits him. He has been very hostile in his defense and pretty much just flamed people/started pointing fingers once he was accused.

Who do you trust?

Only citi.zen. He is the only person confirmed to be green, unless he is the godfather which I find unlikely considering his posting history. Everyone else is potentially mafia.

Where does the town go from here?

Lynching keit and creating a double lynch for tomorrow. Many people have been suspecting hobbes since day 1, with tomorrows double lynch we can lynch him and another potential mafia. We have the possibility of reducing mafia kp to 2 if we lynch 1 mafia today and 2 tomorrow.


I agree with pretty much all of this, although I think we might want to vote for a double lynch today instead of tomorrow. I think the clues pointing to keit and Hobbes are both strong enough to act on already. As for medic protection, assuming there are two medics (not sure about this), i think one should protect DrH and one should protect citi.zen, while meeple gets incarcerated. But this is pretty much what everyone's already saying =/
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Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 26 2010 04:19 GMT
#1344
Ok so first, we're screwed. Medics now will be forced to divide their attention between important townies (who apparently didn't get saved tonight) and our two elected officials. We'll have to play this precisely if we want to get through this, especially considering that we haven't used the Sheriff's power AT ALL yet.

On January 26 2010 07:35 789 wrote:
Ok, so what I just did was compare postcounts vs post on the site in the last week in general. The high post count on the site in general gets rid of the "don't have time" issue.

Mystlord
JohannesH
skronch

These are the three names that stood out on that cross check. Skronch especially ... with almost 100 posts in the last week and only 1 here.

Really? I'm surprised that I didn't get more suspicion directed at me. In any case, the majority of my post count comes from the Live Report threads, and I have to devote a lot of attention to streaming, but I try to post here when I'm not streaming or doing other stuff.

Regardless, I think the time has come to STOP picking out specifics from the posts and start looking at the overall picture. Twice before we've failed lynching based on clues by picking out a specific part of the story and ignoring everything else. Like the last one, we just focused on the weaponry that we lost sight of other aspects of the murder such as the "like a wild animal" and the "high-pitched snicker" and the broken garage door (which is certainly not a subtle way of announcing your intentions). So basically, we're just trying to take out a small section of the clues and trying to apply it on a larger basis.

That said, here's my take on the clues recently revealed to us:
789's Death - We have a mysterious figure. He also seems to be rather cold-hearted, as he cannot figure out what the flowers are supposed to mean (or at least that's my take). Yet the way in which he murdered 789 seems to indicate that he's not afraid of a messy death. I think the fact that he looked at 789 with "haughty disdain" might also be significant in that it matches up with the 2nd Mafia member from Day 1, but there is no sign of the cleanliness here, so I'd presume that it's a different guy.

Zona's Death - This one is almost certainly extremely telling in the method through which he was killed. It was through poison, which apparently started as some liquid spilled in the ground that evaporated to form a poisonous mist. Interestingly enough, the killer is able to get past it with only a scarf tied around his mouth, which certainly wouldn't be enough to protect any normal person from such a gas, but apparently this guy can handle small amounts of the gas, or the scarf acts like a filter. Either way, the guy took off the scarf to kill Zona, which means that the killer might not necessarily need it?

Faronel's Death - Again, we have a reference to the barbarous nature of the attacker. It's a similar situation to the figure described in Abenson's killing in Day 2, but this guy is certainly MUCH more barbarous in nature. This makes me believe that it's NOT the same person. The fact that the killer picked through the pockets for food leads me to lean towards the Cookie Monster as has been previous stated. I've at least watched enough Family Guy to know of the Cookie Monster's rather insane personality

I'm still trying to figure out who clues 1 and 2 could be referring to, but I'm almost certain that Clue 3 refers to keit
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
Mystlord *
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
January 26 2010 04:23 GMT
#1345
I agree with meeple that if medics HAVE NOT contacted citi.zen, do it now so we can get some coordination. We are, of course, relying on citi.zen to pick out those who might be mafia masquerading as medics, but I'm confident that he can do it easily.

tredmasta: We need to vote for a double lynch a day in advance. We can't do it today - we have to do it tomorrow. However, I'm not confident that we have a 2nd candidate for a double lynch tomorrow. If anyone can pick through the clues some more and determine possible mafia candidates and make a convincing link, then a double lynch tomorrow is justified.
It is impossible to be a citizen if you don't make an effort to understand the most basic activities of your government. It is very difficult to thrive in an increasingly competitive world if you're a nation of doods.
tredmasta
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
China152 Posts
January 26 2010 04:38 GMT
#1346
On January 26 2010 13:23 Mystlord wrote:
I agree with meeple that if medics HAVE NOT contacted citi.zen, do it now so we can get some coordination. We are, of course, relying on citi.zen to pick out those who might be mafia masquerading as medics, but I'm confident that he can do it easily.

tredmasta: We need to vote for a double lynch a day in advance. We can't do it today - we have to do it tomorrow. However, I'm not confident that we have a 2nd candidate for a double lynch tomorrow. If anyone can pick through the clues some more and determine possible mafia candidates and make a convincing link, then a double lynch tomorrow is justified.

Ah, I see. I think that leaves us with either keit or Hobbes for today. I'd like to see what other people think.
<3 한승연 김태연!!!
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
January 26 2010 04:51 GMT
#1347
On January 26 2010 07:35 789 wrote:
Ok, so what I just did was compare postcounts vs post on the site in the last week in general. The high post count on the site in general gets rid of the "don't have time" issue.

Mystlord
JohannesH
skronch

These are the three names that stood out on that cross check. Skronch especially ... with almost 100 posts in the last week and only 1 here.

I feel like that lately Ive been relatively active, only in the start of the game I didnt post. I read everything now and post when I have something to say.


But I say no for double lynch tomorrow. Since lets say we get our lynch right today and hit a mafia. Then if we get, however likely or unlikely it is i dont know, 2 mafia figured out tomorrow too, we can lynch one of them and incarcerate the other to both reduce kill power and get total confirmation of his identity.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
January 26 2010 05:18 GMT
#1348
On January 26 2010 12:59 JohannesH wrote:
I suggest you take citi.zen in for protection. Hes the one to trust and protect the most.

And if you incarcerate someone when mafia is 1 person away from losing kill power, you get 100% sure indication if hes a part of mafia. That might be equally useful for confirming/revealing an active townie like meeple, or just making sure of a suspicious person.

If detectives have succesfully rolechecked a mafia, or clarified a lynching candidate to be green, I suggest you pm that to citi.zen. Well mafia might do that too but it could backfire so easily on them.


There is no reason NOT to protect meeples. He needs to be protected by the sheriff.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
January 26 2010 05:26 GMT
#1349
On January 26 2010 14:18 Jugan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 12:59 JohannesH wrote:
I suggest you take citi.zen in for protection. Hes the one to trust and protect the most.

And if you incarcerate someone when mafia is 1 person away from losing kill power, you get 100% sure indication if hes a part of mafia. That might be equally useful for confirming/revealing an active townie like meeple, or just making sure of a suspicious person.

If detectives have succesfully rolechecked a mafia, or clarified a lynching candidate to be green, I suggest you pm that to citi.zen. Well mafia might do that too but it could backfire so easily on them.


There is no reason NOT to protect meeples. He needs to be protected by the sheriff.

You could say that about anyone no? And we have medics too, in any case.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
510Sushi
Profile Joined October 2008
Azerbaijan331 Posts
January 26 2010 05:32 GMT
#1350
i believe the best bet to go for would be hobbes at this point. while there is evidence to support a vote for kiet, i dont believe it is more convincing than the evidence relating to hobbes. phrases in the clue such as The figure crept furtively toward him, and the figure leapt upward and struck at him both actions what could be considered catlike, and since hobbes is a cat, i believe that we should lynch Hobbes today also slashing his throat to ribbons is again a catlike feature, to me Hobbes is the most likely choice
i am the ghote
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 26 2010 05:34 GMT
#1351
Keit is a bit more likely than hobbes imo, two days worth of clues strongly reference him whereas most of the connections to Hobbes, except perhaps the one we have today, have been fairly weak.

his posting behavior is more suspicious as well imo
RIP Aaliyah
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
January 26 2010 05:35 GMT
#1352
On January 26 2010 14:26 JohannesH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 14:18 Jugan wrote:
On January 26 2010 12:59 JohannesH wrote:
I suggest you take citi.zen in for protection. Hes the one to trust and protect the most.

And if you incarcerate someone when mafia is 1 person away from losing kill power, you get 100% sure indication if hes a part of mafia. That might be equally useful for confirming/revealing an active townie like meeple, or just making sure of a suspicious person.

If detectives have succesfully rolechecked a mafia, or clarified a lynching candidate to be green, I suggest you pm that to citi.zen. Well mafia might do that too but it could backfire so easily on them.


There is no reason NOT to protect meeples. He needs to be protected by the sheriff.

You could say that about anyone no? And we have medics too, in any case.


except meeples carries 3 votes and he's obviously going to be targeted. obvious reason is obvious.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 26 2010 05:35 GMT
#1353
I'll be incarcerating meeple, unless anyone has any objections, this will make work easier for our medics.

While the mafia will simply hit 3 other people, this will at least guarantee meeple survives to the next day.
RIP Aaliyah
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
January 26 2010 05:42 GMT
#1354
I'd still prefer incarcerating citi.zen now, since medics mightve protected him last time and cant do that 2 times in a row. Yes theres several medics (i hope so at least :D) but that would seem easier to coordinate to me.

And then we might get the chance to incarcerate meeple next turn, if we lynch a 2 mafia in 2 days we can be 100% sure whether hes one of them. Which we dont need to do with citi.zen as far as i see, unless hes the goddamnfather.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 26 2010 05:45 GMT
#1355
On January 26 2010 14:42 JohannesH wrote:
I'd still prefer incarcerating citi.zen now, since medics mightve protected him last time and cant do that 2 times in a row. Yes theres several medics (i hope so at least :D) but that would seem easier to coordinate to me.

And then we might get the chance to incarcerate meeple next turn, if we lynch a 2 mafia in 2 days we can be 100% sure whether hes one of them. Which we dont need to do with citi.zen as far as i see, unless hes the goddamnfather.


Where does it say medics can't protect the same person twice in a row?

Is that a rule?
RIP Aaliyah
510Sushi
Profile Joined October 2008
Azerbaijan331 Posts
January 26 2010 05:47 GMT
#1356
On January 26 2010 14:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I'll be incarcerating meeple, unless anyone has any objections, this will make work easier for our medics.

While the mafia will simply hit 3 other people, this will at least guarantee meeple survives to the next day.

i think you should incarcerate cit.izen because we know hes green, but we dont know what meeple is so we dont know what we might loose in the night let the medics protect meeple
i am the ghote
JohannesH
Profile Joined September 2009
Finland1364 Posts
January 26 2010 07:15 GMT
#1357
On January 26 2010 14:45 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2010 14:42 JohannesH wrote:
I'd still prefer incarcerating citi.zen now, since medics mightve protected him last time and cant do that 2 times in a row. Yes theres several medics (i hope so at least :D) but that would seem easier to coordinate to me.

And then we might get the chance to incarcerate meeple next turn, if we lynch a 2 mafia in 2 days we can be 100% sure whether hes one of them. Which we dont need to do with citi.zen as far as i see, unless hes the goddamnfather.


Where does it say medics can't protect the same person twice in a row?

Is that a rule?

Apparently not now that I read the medic description again, just a rule I was used to on offline games I've played. Oops.
If you have to ask, you don't know.
keit
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1584 Posts
January 26 2010 08:50 GMT
#1358
Yes you should lynch me.
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citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 26 2010 12:59 GMT
#1359
Maybe, I am still making up my mind. Any other suspects based on night three? I Amazon bit busy early on, will take a look a bit later.
Aut viam inveniam, aut faciam.
citi.zen
Profile Joined April 2009
2509 Posts
January 26 2010 13:00 GMT
#1360
LOL @ autocomplete
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