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So far Ace, L, RoL, mikey, Scamp and Zato have put forth discussion and not been putting up fluff. Chez hasn't put up much and I don't like that most recent post, Malongo put in a major bullshit go with the flow post and nemY has had minimal posting. Vivi hasn't really said much and is voting Mikey for some reason which he neglected to elaborate on. HoE has very few posts.
Ace reads as mafia to me, and his opposition on malongo sounds like he's trying to sway town away from lynching who he thinks is a townie. Two motivations: 1 - he knows malongo is a townie and is trying to earn town credit by pulling off of that lynch and voicing opposition. 2 - Malongo is his mafia buddy and he doesn't want him dead.
L, Zato, Mikey and Scamp read town aligned to me, promoting decent discussion and trying to understand something. Not overly trusting or buddying, but not too paranoid.
RoL is odd. He seemed to react very emotionally to the claim, which to me is generally a town-tell. But he hasn't really tried to wrap his head around anything, which to me is generally a scum-tell. Null-read atm.
The rest are null-reads as well.
Except Malongo. He reads mafia.
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On January 07 2010 09:23 Ace wrote:
you must be a salesman in real life
Actually, I'm a student.
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On January 07 2010 09:33 Malongo wrote:
I still dont see much gain from mafia to fakeclaim, thats why im inclined to think judge isnt mafia. Im really trusting the "other" blues here. Btw some votes on me are really lol votes, im not gonna defend myself but the only guy that has a "reason" to lynch me is L and he is based on previous games. Zato thinks im mafia because I was making separate groups. Funny shit the guys that i say im inclined to trust are insta voting me (L and judge) what do you think zato-1?
I originally voted you to force a no-lynch and save my sorry ass from being idiot-lynched.
Now I'm voting you because your one "real" post in the thread reeked of active lurking, a wonderful scum tactic, of coming in and providing nothing but fluff and lack of contribution to the game. You barely put anything new on the table, then disappeared for a lovely 24 hours. You come back and again provide nothing new to the discussion, and get all OMGUS on me for calling you out.
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HoE, does that answer your post?
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On January 07 2010 09:43 Ace wrote:
Judge I always try to stop the town from killing people with random bandwagons. That's not a scum tell that's an ACE tell. That's probably the one trait that you can find I do consistently every game.
Oh and argue with RoL too.
The first part still reeks of anti-town nature at minimum, mafia nature more likely.
The second part - huh?
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BTW, Ace, might want to work on getting that tunnel vision checked out.
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On January 07 2010 09:49 Ace wrote:
how is stopping a bandwagon anti-town? You'll have to explain that one to me. I've done it every game regardless of what role I've had so you can't call it a tell.
The second part was sarcasm.
L I'm not switching to RoL unless there's a really convincing argument.
Generally, a player voicing opposition to a bandwagon with little case is a mafia member trying to either prevent his partner from being lynched or trying to get townie credit by opposing a wagon on a townie.
This is my experience.
Also, I see no reason to switch to RoL at the moment. He's a null read to me.
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On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
@Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent.
I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense.
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On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 10:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
@Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role.
Then you can't use it as a defense. And I don't use meta as a way to clear people, I use it as a way to crucify them if they play to a certain meta overall.
Plus, the hole in your logic is "I do it all the time" which means you can still be scum.
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On January 07 2010 10:08 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On January 07 2010 10:05 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On January 07 2010 10:02 Ace wrote:On January 07 2010 10:00 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On January 07 2010 09:55 Ace wrote:
@Judge: You forgot the other part: Is a townie trying to stop the town from lynching a player with no cause. You can read the game where I think BC almost got MikeyMoo lynched and I stuck my neck out to save him. Both of us were innocent. I almost never see this. One example does not justify a meta defense. I've done it more than once. I do it ALL THE TIME. If you want we can pause the discussion and make a poll. You can also PM everyone that has played past Mafia games. They'll all tell you I stop town bandwagons from killing innocents regardless of my role. Then you can't use it as a defense. And I don't use meta as a way to clear people, I use it as a way to crucify them if they play to a certain meta overall. Plus, the hole in your logic is "I do it all the time" which means you can still be scum. But you made it sound earlier that defending innocents is a Mafia trait when I just proved to you that it is not. Hence why I called you out on it. You can't say me defending Malongo makes one or both of us scummy. There is no hole in my logic because I already admitted I do it regardless of my role.
I generally find it to be a scumtell, yes. I'm not going to beat a dead horse with this, I find it to be generally scummy, and combined with some other plays you've made, I think it's a scum attempt, not a town attempt.
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On January 07 2010 10:45 Vivi57 wrote:
ok, we have 2.5 hours left so I'm going to offer another option:
Zato
read the posts between zato and judge carefully. They have a dialogue going where they agree about the big things while arguing about fairly small details. There's definitely some kind of alliance going on there. Right when the wagon seemed to be gaining speed against judge, he comes out and accuses malongo.
I feel like there's a really good chance that judge flips gf if zato flips red so we gain alot of information from zato's death.
I was going to get mikeymoo for inactivity, but that's changed and I really don't like the wagon of scamp and chez following me so I'm going to change my vote to zato.
I still strongly believe judge should live until tomorrow.
There's no alliance that I know of.
Zato, do we have an alliance?
You're barking up the wrong tree. Malongo has defined active lurking in this game and people refuse to put an end to it. They would rather see a no-lynch and give mafia a freebie than take action. -_-
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On January 07 2010 11:19 Malongo wrote:
You damn fadsafads how can you possibly say im active lurking? im participating as much as im able to. I dont care about your rocleclaim: its useless in terms of trustability thats obvious. Its gain if your town (decieves mafia) and its gain if you are mafia (keeps you in the spotlight). I said it before: im going with the other blues playing solid. If you want to lynch me go ahead, still i better lynch Rol instead of me or a no lynch. Im not voting RoL for the simple reason that at this point its not in my choice.
You may also have a hint of passive lurking due to constraints. But the bottom line is, you have given the town FUCKING NOTHING today. I don't care where you stand on the claim. I care what you have contributed to the town, and that's a big fat fucking 0. But you're claiming you've done something.
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On January 07 2010 11:33 Malongo wrote:Im inclined to believe L and judge are town. I think theres a gain on lynching RoL because RoL red=> Scamp red (I posted the reasoning clearly). I dont see a bad thing a medic claim because theres gain and no-lose as long as the other blues keep playing smart. Just to add more Milkymoo and Ace can see (or they know) im not really mafia. You can find better candidates to active_lurking boy (and yet again no im not active_lurking i proposed first post to lynch RoL). Given all the post garbage against me im now almost sure all this come from my first post aka lynch RoL.
Why are you still fighting? I'm going to die anyways :D
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I'm gonna leave for a bit - if I'm not back by deadline and I get lynched, I'll explain everything in postgame.
If I do live, I need a DT to investigate me to further carry out this plan. It WILL continue this as long as you play along with it, got it?
Good.
Peace.
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On January 07 2010 11:46 Vivi57 wrote:
shit, the claim was dubious, but wanting to absorb a dt check is just awful. Everyone knows you're going to turn up blue no matter what so the check is 100% wasted regardless of whether you're medic, vet, or gf.
Stop being so narrowminded. The check will not be wasted, I guarantee.
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Yeah, my plans fizzled out. People are bitches, so I'm back -_-
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On January 07 2010 12:25 Chezinu wrote:
so judge why should I let you live?
I haven't outlined this yet? How about the fact that I have a plan that will elevate the towns chances of success, and I'm the medic.
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Everyone fast lynch Chezinu XD
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EBWOP:
I mean really, what are we going to lose?
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