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On October 21 2009 09:38 Qatol wrote: It feels so nice to be loved! Thank you! Btw, the roles were Ver's thing, not mine. Don't shoot the messenger if you're unhappy. It's a tradition to shoot the messenger, stop trying to worm your way out of it. I also don't like plans, they normally lead to success, kill Incognito. | ||
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On October 21 2009 12:12 Incognito wrote: No I'm not running for mayor. Which is why I'm kinda confused why the first vote is randomly for me. I would've expected something like Ace or BC. BC? Screw that! I Announce My Candidacy! My experience is limited. But I promise you BC will be lynched. My plan is to kill all the smart players. That means the mafia will eventually lose their smart people too! Trust me! I will not be much of a leader, but I will try to focus on what the town wants and actually look for logical reasoning that isn't flawed. This is a promise. Remember these reasons when voting for me! 1. BloodyC0bbler will be my #1 choice for first lynch. (I do this for no logical reason, other then my own personal interests and promise to kill him someday.Though it is subject to change if a better candidate is found) 2. I will try to listen to the town as much as possible to help guide my decisions. 3. I will do my best to point out logical reasoning and flaws with what is being said. So that the town doesn't just vote with little reasoning. 4. I like the Teenage Mutant ninja turtles and will be watching them as you vote. Donatello rules! P.S. If I win, I promise to shout Cowabunga! | ||
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On October 21 2009 12:27 Qatol wrote: Watch them again. Raphael is just better hands down. Raph is awesome but Don is just to awesome. Smart, Leadership qualities when he has to, calm, and kicks ass. Plus in all/most of the video games he has helped me get out of a lot of jams. | ||
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On October 21 2009 12:37 Shikyo wrote: It's too bad that your whole platform is flawed and has illogical reasoning, so it contradicts itself quite thoroughly. I also am not sold on your ability to point out logic and reasoning in others' posts, no matter your intentions. My candidacy is legit and unflawed, how dare you! | ||
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On October 21 2009 12:39 Qatol wrote: Ah but he just isn't that funny! And isn't the point of watching the show to enjoy yourself? In that case, it is better to enjoy the characters who make you laugh. Therefore Raph is just better! What about Mikey then? He is the source of Comedy. Raph needs Mikey to be funny. Either case Donny is still the man ;p | ||
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On October 21 2009 12:48 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Well, Tricode likes the TMNT, I am sold. However he does like DONATELLO. I think hes being a cocky godfather (Don) of the mafia and trying to be a sneaky little bitch. My first lynch GOES ON HIM! lawl just kidding, seriously though, kill BC. Hahaha, you're awesome! Oh, and I shall...how I so shall...and I will enjoy it with all the pureness of my heart. | ||
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On October 21 2009 12:50 Qatol wrote: Aha! You admit that Raph is funny! Additionally, you do NOT state that Donny is funny! I claim victory! I do not deny Raph is funny, nor do i deny mikey funny. But Donatello is humorous at times plus awesome. He was really funny in the 2nd movie. But he is cool and chill. | ||
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On October 21 2009 13:05 Incognito wrote: Ooh can you kill the people who aren't saying anything useful or productive in the thread? Plz??? ^That isn't really useful or productive. Though since we have nothing to really go on (no clues) it's hard to just chat it up involving the game. Problem: How do we find mafia? What should be our first step? A. We are forced to be active by votes, but don't have to say anything. Since we don't have to really defend ourselves. We can go accusing each other and see who acts sorta fishy. But how many of us are actually good at that? We should be lynching with as much accuracy as we can. - Also Mafia can just be quiet or just chat it up cause they have little to worry about except for DT's who eventually can figure them out. Except for the ones who get toyed with especially if they guess wrong. Solution??I think Mafia might be kinda silent this round so we should probably get rid of the quiet people) Who ever is good with behavior analysis might be really helpful, though we should watch that person carefully as well. | ||
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On October 21 2009 13:28 SugiuraMidori wrote: ˙ǝʇɐpɐıpuɐɔ ןɐıɹoʎɐɯ pǝɯǝǝʇsǝ ɹno sɐ ןoʇɐb ʇɔǝןǝ-ǝɹ oʇ pǝǝu ǝʍ ɟǝıןǝɹ ןɐɔıɯɯoɔ ɟo sʇsǝɹʇuı uI I hate having to keep putting my head upside to read this. (though it is humorous) Please stop though lol. | ||
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On October 21 2009 13:33 L wrote: So, besides caller, none of the players running for mayorship are even remotely decent at this game. Seems legit. You will always be my favorite too L | ||
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On October 21 2009 13:35 SugiuraMidori wrote: ˙ɐıɟɐɯ ƃuıpuıɟ ɟo sǝdoɥ uı ʎɹʇ oʇ ɥɔıɥʍ ɹoɟ ɔıʇɔɐʇ pıןɐʌ ʎןʇuǝɔǝp-ıɯǝs ɐ sı ʇı 'sǝpısǝq (: ¿sn ɟo ʇsǝɹ ǝɥʇ ǝʞıן ʎןןɐɯɹou ʇı pɐǝɹ ʇ,uɐɔ noʎ ǝɯoɔ ʍoH I can read it normally, but then i debate how can i read what you write faster. It is no way or form a valid way of finding mafia...though if you can teach me how to write upside down I would appreciate it | ||
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On October 21 2009 13:37 Incognito wrote: I gave you the link. What more do you need to know? Are you not familiar with the medic list idea from previous games? I have read what you said and I think I just got what you meant (I just forgot for a moment the medic list idea) Also it confuses me cause (with no disrespect) I find the plan very flawed. I don't really think this plan will help us. 1.We don't know how many DT's there are. 2.Also there is 6 different choices for the DTs to pick from. So it looks like either case we might just get hurt. 3. If DT still guesses wrong, the DT is screwed and possibly useless to us as far as DT's can go. 4. We lose a DT! It just doesn't seem worth the risk as far as mathematics probabilities goes. | ||
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So basically the Dt's should use our lynch list and try to see what they got for their RC for them. To figure out their sanity. Sorry once again for my brain fart. Your suggestion seems sound. Though that means until DT's can get it together (figure out their sanity) we need to try to do our best to attempt to pick best choice lynches. Correct? | ||
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On October 21 2009 14:25 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I'm not sure if that's the better approach. Given the permutations, it should take a DT 2 RC's and according deaths to have a good approximation of his alignment. 3 if one of the deaths is a repeat in terms of color. It is definitely a deterrent but I'm not sure of exactly how effective it is. Also, with 21 players, we definitely don't have more than 2 DTs. Do we know if all blue roles listed are actually present? (like in the speed game more blue roles were in the rules post than actually in the game) We have to kinda assume the blues are active (hopefully), or at least until we see other wise. The plan is good for now, but it might help to have a back up plan. I think we should be voting for least active people for now, but we need to use the best judgments when we pick our lynches. If anyone can offer up any other ideas, that would be nice though. So we can kinda have more ideas to work with. | ||
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On October 21 2009 14:43 Ace wrote: *yawn* man it's that time again already? <---running for mayor <---going back to sleep ^earns my vote! | ||
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On October 21 2009 14:54 HeavOnEarth wrote: hey everyone i heard and since he isn't replying obviously this is true !! Don't player hate. | ||
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By the way Qatol, Donatello stills rules! | ||
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On October 22 2009 03:52 L wrote: Haven't had enough time to run through all I want to, but we're really going to need something a bit more interesting than this DT plan business to get people active. So lets talk about who we're going to kill. I'm going to announce my candidacy and say that the DT plan is a fine idea. I'm also going to say that for my first lynch, I would kill tricode. Why? Simply put he's bad at this game. If he's town, he's throwing down pretty garbage posts thusfar and has a pretty terrible mayoral platform. If he's mafia he's subscribed to the foolishness/scamp "play the unassuming bro" early on to avoid attention. that said, he's probably just bad at playing town. Next: DT plan lynch. I say we talk about it during the night after we have a death and a day's worth of people to look at. L, I am not going to play this damn stupid game with you. I have not been the only one to post useless post. Your reason to kill me is annoying and unreasonable. (Though I would prefer to get lynched then play with a a-hole like you) You shouldn't be trying to kill people based on past crap. Second, I really hope you didn't take my Mayoral platform too seriously. Though I will admit I am not the best candidacy, I don't view myself as the all mighty plan making leader that can bring the town a win. I am mostly running just because I know I will be active, I want to try something knew and test the waters of my current abilities in this game, and most of all just for fun. This is a game you know, not a contest. There is no prize for the winner other then game survival and bragging rights or w/e. BTW Foolishness. My platform is to kill the smart veterans. ;p L's stupid comment helps him get off my list. | ||
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I think we should actually be discussing the plan about the Dt's and who we should choose to lynch. I still believe it should be an inactive player. I don't think the mafia really need to talk much in the begin, though some might. | ||
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On October 22 2009 04:26 Ace wrote: wait...how is killing the veterans smart? lmao holy shit FF this game is over lmaoooooooooooo Let's go down drinking? I'll get the apple juice my friend. | ||
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On October 22 2009 07:23 redtooth wrote: also, this is absolutely wrong. i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player. he also doesn't seem to be taking the game very seriously at the moment so we can't rely on any drastic improvements from him. Ace, L, BC have established their usefulness whenever they were green. edit: took out one word ("in") to let the sentence actually make sense. Bandwagon much? Hmm yes? Mafia much? Hmm? look, you are going on the consensus called "L" whose list of people that remember me fully contribute of 1, "L" himself. It is an ackward bandwagon. Oh 'let's kill someone we don't think is mafia'....good plan. Let's keep to it until all the town is gone. If you say I'm useless, well at least i don't go off killing potential townies...assisting mafia is a bad thing. Thank you dreamflower for defending me while I was gone. I really appreciate your kindness. As far as how I am with L, that is my own personality, deal with it. Me and him had our arguments in the past and he hasn't gotten over it. So what if i get made and then joke about it. Go get some real behavior analysis or evidence. Though suspension arises with kill your Tricode bandwagon. | ||
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Also the last game where "I supposedly set myself up" some how you morons were unable to "READ" You read B/C's crap. You let the Godfather miss lead you with even more obvious Crap that you neglected logic and reasoning in why what they both said didn't make absolute sense what so ever. Now if i did tip off what I am according to you, that just means I am one less person to look at and there are 20 more people to check. Congrats in wasting time with the one person that you don't think is mafia. You have just made yourself more worthless then I. | ||
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Two, your words are equivalently or more useless then myself, so don't be talking. three, actual important issue have you brought up that actually contributes to the town? Slaying me is the crappiest suggestion. But you are right, I am getting to heated up with you and that is actually delaying any progress from both our sides. Also my defense points out if i you really feel like I am not mafia, then you should be looking for someone who you really believe does have potential in being mafia, instead of wasting the towns time with me. So with a little worthless things said here and there, I do have points that you should read. Though you seem to fail sometimes at doing that. | ||
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On October 22 2009 10:42 L wrote: See, lets deal with these: 1) pick someone. 2) no they aren't. I essentially am the reason for the last 4 pages of information we have. You attribute half the posts in the thread to me having balls. 3) killing terrible players isn't a bad suggestion. I also suggested when to determine who we vote for regarding the DT plan and also suggested we follow through with it. I have no idea if you're mafia or not, but at this point I'm not expecting anyone to be like "sup, day 1, no clues, lets out myself". The first vote is always a value added attempt. By talking about you I've seen who's come to your aid, who hasn't, who's posting, who isn't and how people are posting. There's quite a bit of information popping up, believe it or not. Information which we wouldn't have if i hadn't had the balls to actually suggest a person. And no, your posts have all been devoid of decent content, sorry. So, lets be cute here: Tricode, you want to be mayor, right? Pick someone. Not a 'group'. A person. Time to nut up or shut up. what do you mean pick a person? I already gave my suggestion in who should be lynched. Unless you have a different meaning. Group? what are you talking about? Why is killing terrible players not a bad suggestion? You have no right to decide that. You gave your suggestion "me" and some people decided to bandwagon while stating "Oh i don't remember Tricodes behavior or him much" 'so let's trust 'L' and lynch him cause he must be bad, since L said so' Don't you find that kinda weird? | ||
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On October 22 2009 10:50 L wrote: So you refuse to pick a person despite being a mayoral candidate? Do you even want to be elected? Why despite me saying earlier who i think should be lynched (redtooth) do you keep saying pick a person? What are you referring to? | ||
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How do you clarify a bad player? My definition would be : A person who never tries. Goofs off no matter what happens. Doesn't really play, and is normally inactive for many games.' If you agree with my definition, can you honestly say I fit any of those descriptions to the 'T'. Also how many people would agree with you if you do believe i fit those descriptions? This is a waste of time. | ||
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So thus i suggest we drop L's stupid idea and look at the tards who tried to bandwagon with it with out proof or reasoning. | ||
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On October 22 2009 12:23 Shikyo wrote: Of course, you don't need L to answer that. Content is also important. I was wondering what he would consider as inactive. Also i know content is important. Either case, it can be noted that Caller only posted 2 times. One for candidacy and one saying he will lynch pyrr. Wasn't he normally very active in other games? I still think redtooth should be looked at. Through things he said when he tried to help a bandwagon get going. | ||
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I would of shaped up when more seriousness came into play. Which I believe mostly came from incognito. | ||
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Right now I am looking at posts made during our little squabble by others. | ||
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On October 22 2009 13:47 redtooth wrote: see this makes no sense. i'm sorry to keep bringing this up but this is in no way an "angry individual" talks to someone he is angry at. if you were really pissed off at L and genuinely defensive (and not psuedo-defensive) then the last thing you would care about is what L thinks. also vet idea was ruined as soon as it was posted in public. godfather can take any role and can roleclaim it without much risk because DT check would show him being blue. RED ALERT, RED ALERT! Are you kidding me? No matter what L says, I will read and consider what he says. Whether I find it stupid or it makes me spark anger for a moment has nothing to do with it. Cause there could be always times where he can make a good point. I read everyone post, no matter what. L wants to play this game and he is serious about it, so why not ask his opinion to help mend things? Not everyone has to be mad for ever, and remember this is a game. So stop trying to figure out how my emotions work and try to figure out something that can be used as useful and valid evidence. | ||
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What prompt you to ask this? What was your reasoning and goal? What did you expect to achieve? | ||
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On October 22 2009 15:57 redtooth wrote: so who should we lynch? should we go with the killing-the-vet plan and risk cutting off our own heads? what about just killing a random person off the list? we don't have any other good lynch candidates at the moment except motbob who i assume will be dead before long. anyways, assuming tricode is townie, killing him leaves DT with a lot of options and a good deal of information. i was thinking about this earlier and the way incognito's plan will work out will allow DT to establish the color of ONE type of player (green, red, blue). there are three possible scenarios: i believe the last bit is the most important aspect we have to focus on. obviously we want to lynch a mafia and that would give us the best scenario (DT knowing the color of mafia in his checks, knowing the color of town-aligned players in checks) and lynching a blue is bad (no explanation needed). but let's look at the scenario where a townie is lynched. using tricode as an example: the scenario the DT is left with is not bad. whenever a check flips townie, DT can and should ignore that individual (he should not roleclaim because there is a chance that townie is a godfather). however, in the case that a check flips one of the other two colors, the individual has a special role and should be scrutinized and pressed by the DT. that person is either mafia (who the DT should try to get lynched) or a special town role (who the DT should try to form a circle with). so in the end, i still stand by the idea that we should kill tricode on Day 2. he is a detriment to the town regardless of his role. there are some signs pointing to him being a mafia and lynching him in that case would be very good. also, the lynch is not totally useless if tricode turns out to be a townie. the information DTs gain about their sanity is priceless as they are absolutely useless without knowing their own sanity. killing tricode is a win-win scenario. You're really trying to hard to get me lynched...don't get too desperate. There are absolutely no signs of me being mafia, don't know what you are talking about. Only one to say anything about that is you. L states that he just 'personally' doesn't find me an efficient player. which is his opinion. You earlier stated, redtooth October 22 2009 07:23. Posts 1249 " i don't remember tricode's standard behavior but it seems to be the general consensus that he's a very bad player" Which you only got this from 'L' 's own opinion and what you think someone's model behavior should be cause we are all raised exactly the same way and clones of each other. So other then needing a stamp of FAIL!. You should turn off the sign above your head indicating that you are most likely mafia. Not to mention your stupid excuse of a PM asking about if i was mafia. What kinda retarded cover up is that? (Ask others if they are mafia so i don't look suspicious?) Come on! Did anyone else get this kinda PM? | ||
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On October 23 2009 01:15 Shikyo wrote: I sounded credible? Or tried... well I was just being sarcastic, basically it means that people have bad games, although you had quite a bit of unwelcome effect on the game even though you weren't playing. Tricode: Two lynches of different colors are enough. One lynch gives it a 50/50. Thank you. | ||
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Do they see something wrong with this bandwagon thing going on me with reasoning that doesn't seem to be sufficient, based on me supposedly being "BAD" by opinion. That this is my 4th game ever (if i remember correctly) and giving such a ultimate title while I only played once or twice with the persons calling me "BAD"? I am pretty sure I am still a bit newbish to the ropes and still learning lessons. | ||
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I am mostly just accusing Redtooth. Though yeah, i do think i am insignificant for mafia to kill, I just find a lot of his reasoning strange. He also has jumped from Chezinu saying he is red to me. He really seems to be going about in trying to get someone lynched. He seems to be trying very hard in this. I think his behavior is weird as well. I am no behavior analyze and I will also admit I may be a bit bias. I don't think mafia is out to get me, i just think they are trying to go with the flow. | ||
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On October 23 2009 07:52 HeavOnEarth wrote: i mean i want tricode to be pardoner, not mayor hell tricode wants to lynch YOU (noted in his platform) mafia pardoner , which pyrr could possibly be = good bye double lynch at end of game and o oops also im not good at interpreting poems =/ I suggest you start rereading what is said after my platform by me and others. | ||
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So if we plan to lynch HoE cause of these new circumstances, should the dt RC him right? | ||
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On October 24 2009 02:41 redtooth wrote: mafia please do us all a favor and kill this man. BC's rhymes are a bit humorous and require effort on his part to keep us slightly entertained (or annoyed) but this guy is just derailing the thread and being an overall idiot. and he doesn't even put in any effort in being annoying (copy pasta scrub)! and wtf does shikyo have to do with anything? you deserve to die. a vigi hit on you might actually be worth it. + Show Spoiler + i know tricode will take that post seriously but the rest of you intelligent beings should figure out that i'm not serious. regardless, midori you need to stop. it's annoying and obnoxious and not funny and stupid. just like your spoiler post about me ^_^ so stop and let's move on with our lives and onto the game please? | ||
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On October 24 2009 16:12 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: DT/Vet plan I suppose. And yeah I guess we should. But we kind of need to see who dies tonight first. The vet plan. I guess we COULD start that plan now, the DT's can check people as of now. RIGHT NOW. DT's please do NOT use your checks yet. Edit: Fixed tags. But what about preparing for the second lynch? Shouldn't we be trying to see who would be the best suspects for the dt to check so when the second lynch occurs? | ||
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On October 25 2009 05:41 Vivi57 wrote: Someone explain to me why we shouldn't post the bg names publicly. 2 mafia: massive protection for pyrr and ace 1 green 1 mafia: still very strong protection because they'd be sacrificing one of their own for ace and pyrr 2 green: this puts the mafia in a hard spot unless one of them is a vet. They'll have to decide whether they want to waste a nights worth of hits just for the possibilty they can kill ace and pyrr the next day. It'll make the medic mindgame harder for sure, but historically, medics have missed every night anyway. Ace said it was all or nothing for the mafia to replace bodyguards. So what if they didn't do it? Letting everyone knows will include letting the mafia know who the bg's are. | ||
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On October 25 2009 05:58 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: That said, since there has been no veteran claim yet, I think it's safe to say that there is either no veteran or that motbob is the veteran. Thus, the move rests on Pyrr for now; Maybe even possibly HoE being the veteran? | ||
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Pyrr hasn't been acting like a good active mayor, in my opinion, as well. he is barely showing up and posts once about his thoughts about the plan and leaves for a good while. He also just keeps disappearing after 1 post for a good long while. I have concerns about this, anyone else feel the same way? | ||
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Is there a plan or something I'm forgetting about that we can still do or will attempt to do next chance we get? | ||
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That way there would be no reason (for the mafia) to kill pyrr and that risk he took would work out and wouldn't be such a risk after all. Also to make things less suspicious they wouldn't want to kill Ace or people would get the idea something was wrong. That is only an assumption, if pyrr might be mafia. I don't have to skills yet to actually determine this. | ||
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On October 25 2009 13:58 Ace wrote: your rhyming while goody, will make L mad and to see that man moody is mighty sad the poetry, it harms him, it keeps him up at night but alas I say, I see the messages in your plight they get angry, they curse, they spit on your name but even when rhyming I see your true game so go on, rhyme, mix and mash syllables! because Ace will always connect with you like an umbilical It's like a dream to have this fad. Especially knowing that it makes L mad. | ||
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On October 25 2009 16:21 redtooth wrote: i know what you mean. pyrr (and more recently tricode) get me pretty heated. All you have done so far is follow 'L' 's word and became his little bitch/vagina when it came to me. Some how i never made you mad before until 'L' said that i sucked at this game (which is his own opinion, fine i got over it and i don't care) But face it redtooth, you can never be as cool as 'L' who actually comes up with plans and actually has something useful to say when it isn't about me. So far it's been either "lynch ___, to lynch tricode" non stop, or just saying how much you don't like me for some stupid reason. Look, get over it, you can never be the next 'L' So stop straddling his dick, and actually be productive this game. | ||
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I think Ace's actions warrant further watch on him. Personally I would just want to test Ace to see if he is telling the truth. I don't have a plan for that now. As for what i think of Pyrr. I think he is a lot less active then usual, (if he partied one night, that doesn't excuse other nights that he wasn't really active for) His lack of giving information to the town and doing actions on his own is frustrating. It's a team game, we can't have lone wolfs going around taking actions, leaving the rest in the blind. The only problem right now is we don't want another Ace/ver problem going on again where both are innocent and we just bone ourselves by killing them. So i think we should be careful and take things more into consideration in what our next plan of action is. | ||
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On October 26 2009 09:08 Amber[LighT] wrote: You're coming up with this elaborate scheme that by day 3 might show us what path we need to take, yet you can't even come up with a lynch candidate for today. You seem pretty apathetic towards what we need to do tonight, as though the town can deal with the loss of one of us retards. You want to lynch me, ROL, Shikyo, Pyrr, L... but only because we disagree with you. I don't recall Ace saying he wanted to really lynch you guys. But my memory is fuzzy on it...maybe ROL but i don't recall to much of Ace actually suggesting or saying we should lynch any of you. Only some suspicion or giving his opinion about your abilities. | ||
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On October 26 2009 22:25 Amber[LighT] wrote: He hasn't proposed a very strong lynch candidate tonight. That has nothing to do with what you said or claimed. | ||
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You said he wants to lynch ROL, Shikyo, Pyrr, L, but I pointed out that isn't true. Then you quote what i said. Why bother even quoting me calling you out on you making up stuff that Ace never said. Then except ignore it by saying he "never proposed a lynch candidate". What does that have to do with your previous statement about him wanting him to have you guys lynched? Nothing. | ||
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Brilliant play. We should have waited! BTW people who voted for Ace Amber[LighT] Vivi57 RebirthOfLegend (from motbob) Shikyo And as Pyrr said, looks like most of our plans are dead. We might still have a dt out there, but after seeing the way we made Ace feel how welcomed that role is, let's see if he will be ever feeling free to jump out and help us directly with out us wondering if he is mafia. I know some of these guys have been under suspicion and should still be looked at closely. As far as a brilliant idea, I don't have any really right now, all i can think about is a few people who should be carefully considered for the next lynch and possibly a double lynch after that. That is my weak suggestion. | ||
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On October 27 2009 10:29 motbob wrote: Well, no. I was catching up on schoolwork last night and there's no way I'm going to have time to catch up with the thread along with the OSL article I have to write and everything. Posting on TL is one thing... reading a 43 page thread analytically is another :\ Are people really suspicious about my funeral excuse...? notice of the memorial is here... Robert Burdett. Sorry for your lose dude. | ||
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On October 27 2009 10:49 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I dunno, Ace was pissing a lot of people off I wouldn't be surprised if most or all of the mafia were hiding in the abstainers waiting to push ace up if anyone else caught fire. Anytime we have 8 abstainers we're probably gonna get fucked although if Ace was red then trying to save him would have probably just made things worse for the maf. Whatever, it's clear we need to come out of our sleepwalking state and wake up as a town and get organized/unified. Motbob's back and I don't think there's a DT that checked him so we should be talking about behavior analysis now. Right now I'm most suspicious of Chezinu. I dunno what this IRSC thing is but it seems to be a lot of fluff that's not helping town, changes votes a lot for superfluous reasons, etc. Ace always pisses people off from games. If we just go decide to lynch people cause of that stupid reason, people would be listening to Redtooth and L and getting me killed, or I would be yelling at people to lynch L which is just stupid and pointless. We shouldn't let our reasoning be because of that. Like L said, Ace tried to do something, and cause Ace is how he is, people got suspicious and let their anger and bias get in the way. Personally I don't think i seen him actually act to much different from other games i have been with him. He did do some things different, but hey like he said, it was cause of the circumstances of this special mafia game. Even if Mafia did chill and watch the show (when it comes to votes), i would bet at least a min. of 1 voted for Ace. | ||
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On October 27 2009 12:19 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: With 8 abstainers I think you were right that people were afraid to take a side. Mafia probably took advantage of this and mostly did not vote. For example, for all of Shikyo's soapboxing and grandstanding, who was he really convincing either way? There wasn't any large influx of Ace votes after his and RoLs and others' posts. Had more people voted for the alternative candidates Vivi or Amber, I'm fairly certain more mafia would have come out of the woodwork and stacked some votes on Ace. But because so many people abstained and 2 didn't vote (including you L..), there wasn't any need for them to do so. Even if you say they didn't need to, it doesn't mean they didn't. redtooth (from Vivi57) HeavOnEarth Bloodyc0bbler Tricode Scamp Incognito dreamflower No vote: 2 L motbob To say they didn't need to to vote or didn't vote would mean you would have to look at these guys here. Unless you are saying they threw their votes on the others. I could agree that there might be a 2-3 mafia members on this list of those who abstained/no vote. But do you really believe that they all didn't vote and if 1 or 2 did vote, that they didn't vote Ace? | ||
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Is it because the mods took away his favorite slogan? Let it be known I believe the tooth is red And that soon after the next lynch the tooth should be dead. | ||
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Midori, i know you have redtooth and vivi on your list, but isn't it odd that redtooth for a momment did vote vivi? One might be innocent? Any thoughts? | ||
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he doesn't defend himself. he has been very quite. All he has done was keep saying to lynch someone and not being really helpful. Now that he is been called on it, he has become even more quite then usual. I think he is a better bet then Vivi for now. | ||
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On October 29 2009 02:54 redtooth wrote: because he's stupid. That is always your reason for voting someone. | ||
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SugiuraMidori Amber[LighT] Chezinu (from Scamp) redtooth Chezinu (from redtooth) Scamp: 0 Chezinu Chezinu: 4 Pyrrhuloxia (x2) motbob Vivi57 SugiuraMidori, the only problem with Pyrr being in the same team as Chez is that Pyrr double voted on him. | ||
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On October 29 2009 11:25 SugiuraMidori wrote: My dear Tricode, it is a well known fact, and one Qatol forgot to observe till now, that the Mayor counts for two votes. I'm sorry Shikyo, I guess I just see you as a good player, on my level, pardon the overestimation. Oh, I thought it was controlled since that last one didn't have 2 voting power. Thanks for clearing it up then. | ||
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On November 01 2009 05:10 Ver wrote: So given that the outcome of today is pretty much already decided (lynch bc/double lynch tomorrow) we figure it'd be better to switch from a rigid schedule to a more fluid one. This will happen in a few hours or so unless anyone has objections. How do you guys want it? End nights as soon as we get actions in? End days as soon as the outcome is clear (well this might not be needed for future days depending on how the game goes). Basically we don't want to see everyone sitting out bored and having no activity given the current state of the game. I could go with quicker actions. One request though, for Halloween sake. Have BC lynched in the most gruesome manner. Hmm maybe have the town turn him into a scarecrow? | ||
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On November 01 2009 10:36 Qatol wrote: Night 4 [no clue area] The town gathered at the center of Liquidia to decide who would be the next to be lynched. BloodyC0bbler decided it was a good time for him to try out a new rhyme. “Now the town’s in a pinch, Hense who shall we lynch? Have no fear, I’ll volunteer!” The town thought this was a grand idea and killed him by dropping a nearby jutebox on him. An angry Irishman shoved coins through his eyes. The town then took BloodyC0bbler to his house. At his house, they said a prayer for him in front of his shrine to Anubus, the god he had apparently made up. Finally, Tricode pulled out a gigantic axe and chopped off his head, walking off with it. The town was remarkably unconcerned that BloodyC0bbler had been bleeding blue blood the whole time. BloodyC0bbler the Bodyguard is dead. Double lynch has passed for day 5. Don't worry if you missed this vote. We rushed the day, so it is no problem. If you have a night action, please send it in to either Ver or myself. We are going to move to day again whenever we get the night actions in, 1000 KST at the latest. ^-------- Made my day. | ||
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On November 02 2009 10:15 L wrote: Also: lol i was right regarding the number of medics. Didn't you say you know another DT other then midori? What's going on about that one? Does that DT know their sanity and can give us information, through you as the DT's voice? | ||
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On November 02 2009 10:44 L wrote: I know of another DT besides sugi, and sugi knows who it is. The problem is, this DT forgot to check someone on day 2, so that's thrown a rather gigantic wrench in our wheels because its 1) really suspicious and 2) delays the check. Hmm does the DT have anyone he/she has checked that midori checked as well? Maybe that information can help the DT (if they are legit) | ||
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On November 02 2009 11:46 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: How did you get me to vote Chez? We never discussed that, or anything really. My vote for Chez was mostly based on his voting behavior which was pointed out to me by someone on IM. I don't remember who, it must have been BC or RoL since that's who I talk to on IM. The part that stuck out the most was how he said he wanted Tricode to be mayor but not pardoner, or vice-versa. I think that was someone else who said that they wanted me to be mayor not pardoner. But meh, we got Chez lol, so always a good thing. | ||
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On November 02 2009 12:13 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: "3. Sorry tricode but I don't want you to be pardoner" Is what he said. huh, thought that was someone else. I'm surprised that wasn't in rhyme. | ||
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On November 04 2009 07:41 Ace wrote: After this game ends there will have to be a long discussion. YAY! | ||
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Well I guess it is a good time as any. Being Green sucks so much. Midori want to switch roles? I would like to be blue once in my life. And I agree I think we should start looking at Shikyo now. | ||
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On November 04 2009 15:13 Vivi57 wrote: more thinking: pyrr voted for chez, so amber for non gf mafia? Yeah i was thinking about amber, just surprised mafia didn't go all in, only if he is mafia (like Ace was saying earlier in the game) | ||
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On November 04 2009 14:30 SugiuraMidori wrote: Tricode is green, can we please get to the killing of Shikyo now? =\ I don't think i was worthy of a r/c just yet. Oh well, let's try to end this in the next lynch or two lynches. | ||
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On November 03 2009 12:47 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Since then Shikyo has supposedly missed his second Check, so we don't have a second person to work with (this is unlikely since Ver/Qatol were stalling days for night actions and kept announcing that they were waiting) he then says his third check was on BC, who he most likely knew was a bodyguard. After SugDori checked Shikyo then confirmed her sanity with Qatol. She got back that Shikyo was indeed a Detective (or from what it looks like at this point) a godfather. Now this all looks particularly bad for Shikyo, but the only inconsistency is L. I believe both me and Sugdori have been talking to L, no real conversation for me has taken place with Shikyo. So as far as I know, L could be making all that up which makes Shikyo look bad. However I don't think that is likely. Shikyo's checks to my knowledge have shown L as a Veteran and BC as a Bodyguard. I haven't gotten information on any other checks yet. Scamp turning Green was a third. Gee... I wonder how Shikyo could have gotten all of them right with out being a dt? | ||
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He has been questioned multiple times and we have done nothing about the suspicion on him. There is only 2 mafia and 1 kp left, but yet the mafia hasn't given up. Meaning the GF has to be a very good vet player or a determined stubborn one. Another thing is Shikyo like stated above, was able to R/C L / BC / and Scamp and got all those roles correct. How is that possible with out being DT? RoL and Inf, were both medics at points where both have had suspicions of L. On November 03 2009 09:41 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Several things. And from what it sounds like, Infundi was suspicious of L claiming medic because he figured he was the only medic. Which makes sense. Then you show that you know there must be two and that the other medic is just sending in his actions quicker than Infundiblium was. I mean if I was a medic and I saw someone claim that he got protected I would be suspicious at least in such a small game. However when he tried to protect sugdori and she was saved and it wasn't by him, he should of realized the second medic was with L, but I feel like he forgot why he thought L was suspicious and just kept going with that and just added some confusion into the mix. | ||
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On November 06 2009 00:30 L wrote: I find it pretty hilarious that everyone assumes that infund somehow claimed to me, or that scamp would give me information when it was pretty obvious that both of them thought I was the anti-christ. Especially after I told people to not claim to me given that I wasn't confirmed. I mean, I've been waiting to see if anyone would say anything, but no one has. The sad part is that no one told me anything, but conjecture and lynching our blues seems to be the best plan sugi can put forward. I also find it hilarious that despite the only piece of evidence being brought up against me, the fact that RoL was known to me, hasn't been questioned given the fact that pyrr himself at the top of the page basically admits that a bunch of people knew, especially given the fact that between RoL's claim and sugi's list, he was known to everyone from yesterday forward. I mean, if the only plan we can come up with is 'murder all our blues' and no one in the town even bothers questions that, something is deeply wrong. I'll wait for you to come up with a better plan or some how magically help us snipe a red. Until then we have to do some hardcore researching and pick our best options. Looking at how the game is and who is left. There must be a reason Mafia didn't give up even though they have 1kp left. I think that is because they have a really good player (most likely a vet, could be wrong) as their GF who has eluded us and made us believe he is friend instead of foe. Looking at who is left alive, votes placed, and some of my knowledge contributed with past posts of other players knowledge. I think we can have better attempts on hitting red. Btw L your defense is kinda poor. You are claimed to be a much better player and yet you haven't followed any of the plans (if you are vet). You haven't even voted or accused any of our dead mafia's (as far as I have read, I am still looking at past posts). You could of gotten Shikyo killed last vote, but in the end left him alive (if he had turned up red/gf it would have saved us trouble and would have averted eyes from you, instead now we are in the dilemma of seeing if you or Shikyo are lying (I am leaning to believe you are) and by changing your vote from Shikyo you might have gathered more time for you and the last red to operate a bit longer (if in fact you are the G/F). | ||
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On November 06 2009 02:23 L wrote: I do have a plan for going forward, but I wanted to go back and check all of the voting lists and information when I wasn't angry to put it together. It specifically has to do with not the identity of the godfather, but of the last non-GF mafia and that's the only part I haven't worked out. You're right that there has to be a reason the mafia are still in the game, since after Chez died, it would seem that they would conceed. So the idea is that they have to have some form of Ace in the hole. At the time that Chez died, infund and scamp were trying to get me killed, so L as a trump during that time period would have been a pretty shitty one. Its very odd, however, that after checking pretty much everyone in the game, no one's popped up as mafia. Amber's begging to be checked, so he's pretty much gf or bodyguard and very unlikely to be the last non-gf mafia. Motbob's said nothing pretty much all game which makes him potentially mafia, but frankly he was pretty heavily accused early on and nothing came of it. I wanted to go back and see where that would lead, tbh, to see exactly what motbob's been doing and such, but I'm going to have to present what I've got thusfar: The only rational explanation for this that I can think of is that one of the DTs isn't one. It strikes me as a bit crazy that we would have a hatter, THREE dts, 2 medics, a vet, and potentially a vig or something in pyrr or motbob, but that's unlikely. If that's the case, then either shikyo's or sugi's 'checks' aren't actually checks, but substitutions. Since shikyo's checks are all pretty much confirmed besides me, and since I know his check on me is accurate, it seems unlikely to me that he would be the GF. He doesn't have an out and he's slated to die soon. Once he dies, if he's the GF, his non-GF mafia is dead within 2 days as the weight of checks crushes his team. If shikyo is mafia, they would have conceeded. That is why I didn't want to have him killed yesterday. That leaves sugi, who until today I thought was 100% confirmed, but now I discover she isn't. The plans I've set up to get the detectives confirmed so that we could get everyone credibly checked was ruined not by me, but by sugi. We wanted to crosscheck her and shikyo to see who was lying, but she chickened out. She blames it on rage. RoL's death was precipitated in part due to her bungling of her list. She blames it on me. Additionally she's been trying to kill off shikyo who's most likely a goddam DT instead of using our plan to check him. And she had cobbler killed after convincing him to suicide himself in PMs, as far as I can tell. As soon as shikyo dies, none of her checks can be verified as well. If i die and flip blue, sugi already has an excuse built in: it was shikyo. If shikyo dies and flips blue, she can claim amber, pyrr or any of the greens. Regardless of what happens, she can, and has been, accusing people that we've DT checked and then tries to get them killed. It seems the only possible reason that mafia are still in the game is that sugi is the GF. You're plan is full of shit or in other words you have no plan! You went from Shikyo to Midori who have in the most part shown me good proof that she is dt. You are now jumping from Shikyo to Midori. I don't think so. You just let your identity truly be shown. there is a reason why i think mafia hasn't hit you and I don't think it's because you're a vet. It's cause you are definitely the G/F Please everyone, for the sake of the town and winning this game. Vote L. (BTW Motbob was the second to vote Chez to be lynched, not really bright for a mafia team to help with a lynch like that) Sugi has gotten i believe vivi, redtooth, mine, and others correct. This is your weakest persuasion yet. | ||
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On November 06 2009 06:31 L wrote: You didn't bother reading her gigantic cry "i want to die" post above? I didn't jump from shikyo to midori at all. I've been defending shikyo the entire game against midori of all people. I saved him from dying. We don't know if anything that sugi has 'checked' is correct. The default is green, and we knew most of the blues. The fact that we have almost nothing left to check and we still haven't found any reds is pretty telling that something is wrong. Would be very interesting if you were the covert green, but I rather suspect redtooth over you. At one point you were voting to lynch Shikyo, how can you say you were trying to defend shikyo the entire game? | ||
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On November 06 2009 06:31 L wrote: You didn't bother reading her gigantic cry "i want to die" post above? I didn't jump from shikyo to midori at all. I've been defending shikyo the entire game against midori of all people. I saved him from dying. We don't know if anything that sugi has 'checked' is correct. The default is green, and we knew most of the blues. The fact that we have almost nothing left to check and we still haven't found any reds is pretty telling that something is wrong. Would be very interesting if you were the covert green, but I rather suspect redtooth over you. What makes this the most difficult is that you had this circle and no matter what happens it seems like this circle you guys created decided to tell everyone everything. (Basically it seems like people fucked up the circle to where a good thing for the town went bad) The problem is you all can throw this (oh we had this circle and x knew y) there is something wrong with what everyone has done so far in this game (including midori) but because of this circle that you all created and decided to blab to much to each other (whether you did or not, can only be believed after the game is over, i am not trying to point fingers at who blabbed what out when they shouldn't have. My only point is the circle you were in screwed up and mafia took advantage of it) So we come to this problem, who to believe becomes difficult cause you all seem to share for the most part the same information. So in your final hours (unless you can really prove someone is mafia or can give us more comfort in believing you are not red) i believe you should do what ever you can to help the town (if you are townie) because so far you are still a mafia candidate. Though if you are right in your assumption that would explain redtooth (which i actually hope you are wrong so the town can just go win this) Now to add this. If midori was truly mafia (including redtooth) does everyone else truly believe they could be so determined in this game that they both believe they could win this with 1 kp when with this lynch or even after this we will get at least one of them, and then eventually get the last? Are these last two players in your opinion considered to be skilled enough to hide and hurt the town as much as they have? (basically would you considered them a vet that would balance the mafia team out if the game did have some type of balance system going on.) | ||
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On November 06 2009 16:28 Ace wrote: thx for the shoutout. Nice to know even after I'm dead my influence still makes people rage Ever since our first little quarrel i have come to learn to enjoy your influence on others. | ||
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On November 07 2009 05:35 Qatol wrote: Correct. GF can show up as Pink Elephant if he feels like it. Drat, i hope GF didn't ask to show up like that. We will never be able to find him in that case! | ||
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On November 07 2009 12:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: I have wanted to say this for so long. You and Shikyo both knew my role, and I knew one of you was mafia. Also how the fuck did two people die tonight? That doens't make sense. Edit: Modkill lawl I am dumb. I enjoyed seeing both deaths. | ||
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On November 07 2009 14:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: You forgot to end your quote, so your silly! ANYWAY GUYZ, LEZ FIND DAT LAST MAFIA. Do it for RoL! Shouldn't be to hard. Almost everyone but 2 people have been checked (with the exception of pyrr) | ||
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On November 07 2009 15:39 SugiuraMidori wrote: We now know that all my checks are fine.. so the only people yet to be cleared are: One of these is red:: Amber, motbob, and Pyrr.. Blue:: Shikyo and I are the last DT's Green:: Vivi and Tricode Shikyo-- check motbob, I'm checking Amber.. if neither of us return a red we can lynch Pyrr and be over and gg with it. Unless one of the three wants to gg it now? So no matter what we either get the last mafia, or we get all the townies and know who the last Mafia is. This is a gg IMO | ||
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On November 08 2009 15:24 SugiuraMidori wrote: The final bits I had with Tricode... + Show Spoiler + Ah. I was wondering about pyrr. Mostly cause he still has x2 voting power. It was actually worrying me =\ cause of some of the inactivity and abstains. So hopefully Pyrr knows he is caught and everyone votes for him quickly so if some how some go MIA at least 2 of us is needed to vote before him to beat his voting power. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: um basically if I came up red you guessed your DT status wrong. Or you are mafia, which would be pretty funny ====== um... if I were mafia... I would certainly gg ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Well I got your redness in check anyhow, and Tricode knows ;P Why not just gg it anyhow? L was your trump card... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Shikyo is gone. He hasn't been on the site in a while. I dunno if that will affect who you check or not but I'm just saying. ========================================= ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Yeah. So what happened during your bluff to motbob? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I sure hope he does, just to be 100% sure... ----------------------------------------- Original Message: It would be hilarious if Shikyo just decided to come back for a bit, saw my pms. Checked Motbob real quick and told me. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Amber has come back as Blue BG... I just accused motbob that he came back red in a pm so we'll see what he says to that... it can be the other check if Shikyo is vacant... So don't let him know I checked Amber and not him.. see if he panics and gives in, if not we lynch Pyrr ^_^ We have the cat in the bag, fat lady is singing, etc. As soon as night falls, paste this to town, if no gg happens from Pyrr/motbob. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: I honestly believe he is G/f especially with the crap he just posted about you. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Forgot an instance.. L is regular mafia and Shikyo is GF, will happen if Amber is blue and motbob is green/blue. Since I don't have the extra night to check L too, you'll have to get the town to look into this possibility, I don't know how to check for it really.. so GL ;P ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Motbob was the second to vote Chez to die btw. I don't think he is red. Though i guess there could be a possibility but i will put it in my doubts for now. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: So here is how it goes.. I will be checking Amber to see if just a blue BG or turns red. Shikyo shall hopefully check on motbob and tell you, if that doesn't happen... he has a good chance of being GF. Logic stuffs:: First bit assumes L isn't GF.. poor assumption but it must be made. [[ If Amber turns up red, than no matter what Shikyo says that motbob is, won't really matter too much since you'll all be looking for the GF anyhow. If Amber turns up blue, he's innocent.. Shikyo can turn motbob as red meaning two things: if after lynch he isn't, Shikyo was GF, else Shikyo is legit DT. -If on the last one, Shikyo is legit DT, than any of the Greens I have checked can be GF, including Pyrr. ]] Now assuming that L is GF, then either I will flip you a red from Amber or Shikyo will flip one for motbob or if neither of us give you a red, then Pyrr is the final mafia. Paste this in full to town after I die and town should have >60% chance at win. Also found an old PM from Tricode mentioning that we need to keep an eye on Pyrr. The reasons for being so suspicious for Shikyo near the end, he made a big deal earlier on about Chez, Pyrr, and L being innocent xD Thank you ^_^ we made a good team. | ||
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