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On October 29 2009 08:48 SugiuraMidori wrote: I don't want to sound suspicious by throwing the town back and forth, but this had to be brought up, and apparently I am not breaking rules by doing this after all.. All right then, I'm having a heck of a time trying to figure something out now... maybe town can help better... So here I lay out my thoughts as best I can.. I know that Vivi and Redtooth are on the same team because they both checked as blue, meaning they're the same color. Since the town has been adamant about one or the other having been red almost all game, I figured that blue meant red (implying I'm either paranoid or crooked). However, and this is something I really don't know how to explain, but with a little help from a PM from tricode made a bit of sense... I have had a gut feeling that Shikyo is doing a hella good job as GF and been playing me this whole time since I generally trust him ever since the game where he was Mayer and I was Mafia. Additionally, Tricode mentioned that Pyrr has still been acting suspiciously and thus could be red (fitting with needing a vet on the mafia team) and then there's Chez, whom others have been saying is acting exactly like when he was red in another game.... This kind of leaves us with two options, each of which has nearly equal consequences: 1) I am right about my sanity, due to town and my own observations we somehow managed to find two living red players that I conveniently checked and saw they are on the same team. 2) I'm totally wrong about my sanity and my gut feelings should be used.. In the case of (2) we would end up voting with something based on a gut feeling instead of possible fact, perhaps nabbing a mafia, and of course everyone would like a red team of Pyrr, Chez, and Shikyo better than a red team of Vivi57, redtooth, Scamp which has no obvious vet players (since we must add judge) ... the latter option of course would confirm my sanity, be more unbelievable, and possibly not get us any mafia killed. If Pyrr had bothered to tell us the bodyguards, and pretend it's Vivi and Redtooth for a moment, well for some miraculous reason I checked them and they are on the same team.. meaning that mafia subbed in two reds or no reds.. which Pyrr of course couldn't tell us (and sure wouldn't if he was red ^_^) I seriously don't know what to do with these checks, and I can obviously only confirm that they are on the same team since they both came up blue (meaning one of them is NOT the GF) and just now I realized that one could be a non-red and the other a godfather.. I really don't know how to interpret this now.. I was so sure before, but now I'm lost.. please help town :/ Here is how I would interpret this. We know Ace's DT status turned Reds into Blues Right? So the chance of you being that is significantly lower. You checked two people that showed up as blue. Chances are they are both green, I doubt either of them would end up the mafia. So here is what we have assuming certain circumstances that Ace was either insane or paranoid. You can't be those because neither see a green as a blue. that means you are now either a Crooked DT or a neurotic DT. The next thing you do is Check L, if you get back red then you are a crooked DT, if you get back green you are a Neurotic DT. Simple as that. I doubt we even need to kill Vivi57 or redtooth, but I voted them just so you can be super sure! Oh and further help here, a DT checked L and showed up a Blue vet, L claimed his role later on in the game which confirmed what the DT checked. Meaning that DT is one of two things, a Sane or Drugged DT. Even if L is the godfather faking Vet, this will still confirm your sanity. | ||
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Now I will post about behavior. I feel like during the Ace lynch many people tried to just stay out of it, and I really was confused about that. That was the only thing that made me doubt Ace was red, rest of his behavior screamed selfish. It came down to 4 votes on Ace that made him hang. During this me and Shikyo were attacking Ace relentlessly, saying how he was either playing like a mafia or playing like shit. It turns out the latter was the truth. L was around enough to agree with us and argue with Ace for a little bit but never actually voted for Ace despite that. In itself I would say that is a suspicious action, but look at the situation L is in now. If a DT dies or a medic we kill him, he made sure the entire town knew what was happening. He clearly made it so the Medic and DT feel safe because he put himself out there saying he was called to, meaning if they die L dies. A mafia would probably try his best to worm into that circle, but wouldn't try and start it. That would be L's head in a matter of two days if it was true. The main supporting factor behind this is they mafia can't afford to lose another member. If the mafia lose another member their KP drops to 1 at which point we are even with them in regards to KP and have them about 13-2 population wise. That's it for L. As for as I am concerned he has more to lose as mafia then he would to gain. What L needs to worry about is infiltration. The mafia ideally want L dead, but want the town to do it since 2 hits on him is an entire night of kills gone. So we need to tread very carefully and L needs to be even more alert considering how the mafia will probably try and set him up to be lynched. | ||
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On October 30 2009 12:36 Vivi57 wrote: ok, this confirms BloodyC0bbler as mafia I created this the last time I was at a comp today, expecting to die. Sent it to a few people knowing that one of them would post it if I died I want to call out bc (and to a lesser extent chez) but I don't have enough evidence, and what I do have will be taken more seriously once I'm dead. bc started off by telling me in msn that he supported the vet plan, then immediately said he wasn't a vet because clues were removed this game. This isn't enough to condemn him, but it adds a bit when you add everything else he's done. His writing allowed him to contribute very little while feigning activity. This was enough to get him considered active enough to not be motbob status early on while making noone actually question what he said because it was so hard to read. I forget where he said that he doesn't want to play from behind the scenes, but that's exactly what he's been doing with his town pm circle and very little thread activity. bc, KNOWING that me and redtooth were on the same team (he's been in contact with midori) voted for redtooth while at the same time telling me in msn that he didn't believe I was red. He finally starts posting something when Chez (likely mafia) is on the chopping block. He uses the defense that Chez has been Shikyo's mouth. This makes no sense, Chez hasn't said *anything* the whole game so how could he possibly be a mouth for someone? It sounds like bc is trying to pass the blame off onto Shikyo to delay the town and get more kills. I won't be able to post before the day ends, so I'm going to send this to a few people and ask them to post this if I die. Just to quick counter this. BC is probably the main reason Chezinu is dead right now. I was voting for Vivi57 before he guided me out of that. I agreed that he was right, You and redtooth are statistically most likely green. I am too lazy to do the math. So instead of trying to confirm for SugDori 100% what one of your roles were, I decided to kill another (questionably town orientated) Chezinu was the next highest vote. I took my vote from you and put it to Chezinu making Chez die 5-4 instead of you dying 4-5. Besides, BC will be dead soon anyway most likely. | ||
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By then our DT's should have a list narrowed down and we should have a decent list. | ||
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So looks like today we are voting for BC/Double Lynch? Sounds good to me. | ||
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On October 31 2009 11:33 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Are we doing double lynch now or tomorrow night after BC's death confirms things? I posted it in the voting thread, but I will do it here too. Voting double lynch activates it for our NEXT lynch, not this one. So today we would only lynch BC, when next lynch we would kill Shikyo and Scamp. | ||
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On November 01 2009 05:10 Ver wrote: So given that the outcome of today is pretty much already decided (lynch bc/double lynch tomorrow) we figure it'd be better to switch from a rigid schedule to a more fluid one. This will happen in a few hours or so unless anyone has objections. How do you guys want it? End nights as soon as we get actions in? End days as soon as the outcome is clear (well this might not be needed for future days depending on how the game goes). Basically we don't want to see everyone sitting out bored and having no activity given the current state of the game. I am fine with this. Not moving faster for a day like this would be wasting time. It seems like this lynch was decided days ago, the only thing I wonder is if enough people voted double lynch. | ||
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On November 01 2009 14:41 motbob wrote: I recommend Scamp and... RoL. Yeah, I kind of want to hear this one too, Mr. Ialmostgotkilledforinactivity I think Scamp should be one of our lynches definitely. He hasn't really done much and usually he just stays quiet when he is mafia. Although I guess he could be the medic, I remember one of his first games he got medic and went 3/3 with protects or something like that. So maybe we should wait on him, I say its a cointoss between Scamp being a Medic or Mafia. Oh and just some food for thought on Infundi's posting. On October 29 2009 23:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: why are they laughable? so you believe L's claim even though he hasn't done shit for town except advocate lynching Ace? This is just attacking and trying to create doubt in a possible leader. Its done in a negative way, not a constructive one. IE: the goal was to cause mistrust, not get answers like other people did by questioning his reasoning and motivation for everything which he gave adequate answers for (most of it anyway) On October 29 2009 23:57 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: lol, dude there's hardly been a page's worth of discussion on the merits of lynching any of those players seriously i can boil it down for you nice and fast chezinu - we want to lynch him because he posts random shit vivi - guys like Ace say he is stupid redtooth - some voting thing? the short answer is that the discussion on those 3 is limited and devoid of quality information. And no, time is not on the towns side as we cannot afford to miss lynches. If L is not lying mafia just won't hit him, and that's 1 less person they need to kill already. On October 30 2009 08:12 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: if we don't lynch L the only semi acceptable candidate is Vivi This one is my personal favorite. He recommends lynching L, someone we are pretty sure is innocent now and offers Vivi as the only other acceptable candidate. For those with short term memory, that lynch went and killed Chezinu On October 30 2009 09:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah, the only reason is that voting Vivi would at least give the dt some info, assuming of course that she is the dt. Really though I don't think any of the 3 have particularly great chances of being red. Continues undermining our lynch. On October 30 2009 11:03 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: wat? are you sure? i wanted to switch to Vivi Oh the indifference this would of made, it would of tied and he would of died. On October 30 2009 11:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah. Just on the off chance that Sugiura would gain info from it. But she says she has another way to confirm her sanity, so we'll see. After the voting is over and Chezinu is a dead ducky. | ||
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I propose we kill HeavOnEarth and Motbob. | ||
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1. Dreamflower Mad Hatter -Night 2 2. Foolishness -Night 1 3. Ace Detective Pardoner -Day 2 4. vx70GTOJudgexv -Night 2 5. RebirthofLegend 6. Bloodyc0bbler Bodyguard 7. Incognito -Night 2 8. Amber[Light] Amber is a BG confirmed from pyrry behavior looks a little shaky. He should be checked. 9. Pyrrhuloxia Mayor Hes our mayor, most likely was a townie originally. His voting was instrumental for killing Chezinu 10. L Hes our Vet most likely I can't see him being mafia really. but who knows? as we continue to kill we will narrow it down 11. Tricode Hopefully we kill him tonight, we can't be sure of his role. Been pretty quiet after elections 12. Vivi57 Used as Sugiramidroi's check, doubtful godfather candidate. 13. Infundibulum medic dead 14. Sugiuramidori Detective, confirmed sanity, was hit a few nights ago and it was blocked. 15. Scamp has been acting mafiaish like he usually does. Remaining quiet. good lynch candidate. 16. Shikyo could be our Godfather at this point. He has been acting very sketchy. 17. Caller -Night 1 dead 18. Motbob one of the first to call out and vote for chezinu. 19. Redtooth used for SugDori check has to be green (or GF, but doubtful) 20. Heavonearth was unbanned so he could actually play this and doesn't post? really retarded if he dies its no loss either. Someone just has to PM hotbid and tell him to reban. 21. Chezinu -Day 3 red&dead That is pretty much everything that has been going on all game for those that don't know. We have plenty of people we are sure are innocent, the pool of reds is very low at this point in the game. By lynching Scamp and tricode we should get one red. After that I would proceed with Amber or HoE. We should have 1-2 checks done by then. | ||
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One. ![[image loading]](http://wiki.pokeland.net/images/1/10/Farfetch%E2%80%99d.png) Two. Scamp said: I mean, both Vivi and Chez were suspected of being mafia. How come people that suspected Vivi before don't suspect him now? I think it has been said a few times by now. Vivi can only be the godfather if anything. Vivi and Redtooth were both the SAME to sugdori's checks on them. Do you honestly think both of them are our last mafia, or that one is the godfather? And from what it sounds like, Infundi was suspicious of L claiming medic because he figured he was the only medic. Which makes sense. Then you show that you know there must be two and that the other medic is just sending in his actions quicker than Infundiblium was. I mean if I was a medic and I saw someone claim that he got protected I would be suspicious at least in such a small game. However when he tried to protect sugdori and she was saved and it wasn't by him, he should of realized the second medic was with L, but I feel like he forgot why he thought L was suspicious and just kept going with that and just added some confusion into the mix. | ||
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