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On October 25 2009 18:10 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: Not sure as to where this game is going. Guess I'll consider seeing how this plan from Ace develops... I think the people threatening to lynch Ace though are retarded, although I'm still baffled why he picked me rofl. I'd rather lynch RoL personally. He rubs me the wrong way. Well, what suspicious stuff have I done all game? Voting for pyrr doesn't count. He is a friend of mine and I like how he conducts himself in games more than L and Ace by FAR. Although hes not being as active this game, but I need to read his new posts first. | ||
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On October 25 2009 18:19 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I do want to pass on the information. I'm not sure why we can be sure about Ace's RC yet. Also, why am I the first person to say that if he is a DT then he may have just OUTED THE FUCKING MEDIC?! He says he wants to give us some info in case he dies. Well, that info does dick for us. If Judge isn't mafia it lets the mafia know there's a 50% chance that Judge is the medic. Fucking grand. If he's a real DT he should have kept that shit to himself. How does it help us to know that check result if Ace dies tonight? Doesn't tell us shit cuz Ace would be dead before his sanity mode can be determined so its useless. Only the drugged DT and Sane DT flip blues the correct way. Rest of the sanities random generate a blue role if that is the role that is supposed to be wrong (IE if you see greens as blues, then the blue role is random generated) Ace probably won't die tonight either. We could have helped him determine his sanity with the Motbob plan but he's sure of Motbob's innocence for no reason. We won't be able to check his sanity now because we'll be too afraid to kill someone who might be the medic. Judge won't be able to help because he can't come forward and say Ace is a liar unless he is a blue role other than Medic. If he is medic, than I guess he could privately claim blue to Ace but then he would want to publicly claim green or we lose the fucking medic but if he claims green publicly when blue than Ace's story gets out of whack and we lose our trust in the DT. I think we have to be more on guard against a fake DT this game because we can kill a few innocents and not prove shit about whether the DT is fake or not. Fuck, if push comes to shove and a fake DT gets called out on a shit ton of contradictions he can always just say he guessed his state wrong and blame it on someone else. This is the part I have an issue with. I don't see why you would check judge when we had another plan to get DT's sanity along with the vet plan, and what most people are ignoring is that we haven't even told the vet to come forward yet which is the main reason for him saying motbob must be the Vet! Oh and my favorite problem with Ace's idea. Without a person dying you don't know the REAL role of them. Normally with the DT sanity plan here is how it works. A DT checks a person we are going to lynch IE motbob. Now he can be one of three things. The actual blue if he was a drugged/sane DT or a red or blue and one of the other sanity's. Now Ace decides to check the BG (whose name he gets from Pyrr) who should turn up blue. But lets pretend the BG came up red now Ace can be one of these. Insane DT- Green Blue Red Crooked DT- Blue Green Red That is after two checks, because now he KNOWS what blue must come up as, but has no idea what judge really was. Oh by the way. All this is assuming that the BG check wasn't on a mafia. If the BG was a mafia that fucks everything up. This plan has so many holes in it along with the longest possible time span of determining sanity. Please stop being stupid. Yeah, that's right we just used two checks and got exactly the same place as one. Without Judge dying there is NO confirmation of his role | ||
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Veteran please role claim NOW Now is the time you should be role claiming if you exist and aren't inactive T_T The only issue is we don't have the lynch check for the DT's, but if the Vet claims motbob SHOULD be lynched. It gives the Dt's there santiy upon checking the role calling Vet if they checked motbob last night, and since I doubt Ace is actually a DT I am hoping that is what happened. so I will say it again Vet please role call this will establish a person we can follow from now on instead of listening to office holders. At this point in the game they can';t kill you before our plan comes to fruition or take extra lives off before the DT's can check you, so now is the ideal time. | ||
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But here's the problem. Ace wasn't told the bodyguard names by pyrr as far as we can tell, so how would he know that they're both blue? They appear as blue unless they are red, the bodyguard role itself is a "blue" role. But besides that, I 100% agree. | ||
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On October 26 2009 04:38 L wrote: I suggest people go re-read mafia 8 to see how Ace deals with people who roleclaim DT. I was actually thinking this as soon as I red pyrr's post saying "Well I don't want to kill Ace because he might be a DT" The thing about RCing DT is you intend to prove by the lynch of someone else that you are sincere in your role. The issue with this is if he RC's he can fake being insane for practically the entire fucking game. This is just a retarded move strait out and he is just trying to make us hesitate killing him. | ||
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I know the bodyguards if Mafia will show up as MAFIA. DURRRRR! Now time to own you, moron. This is the last time I'm going to explain this. You guys are so fucking SLOW it's funny. Judge appears "blue". Let's assume he's innocent. Doesn't matter if he is BLUE OR GREEN. If the bodyguards are Mafia they will be RED, as in they appear as MAFIA to a normal role check. A RED player can appear as anything to me. We know this. But I just checked Judge. So... If a bodyguard appears "blue" to me, I know them and Judge all have the same type. If all 3 appear "blue" I'm almost positive Judge is innocent at that point. If both bodyguards don't appear the same color one is guaranteed Mafia. There's no denying this. Let's say the bodyguards both appear "green" to me. I know what they should be though - BLUE. If any of them happen to die I am virtually guaranteed my sanity. Same thing happens with Judge. Let's say they appear "red" to me. Same thing. However let's also say I keep rolechecking people and I never see another "red". Ever. Or I rolechecked someone, who appeared "green" to me, they ended up dying and flipped a BLUE role. Both bodyguards are Mafia because if they were really BLUE they should have appeared "green" to me, not "red" because a legit BLUE just died and flipped "green" to me. I am too lazy to bother quoting this properly, but you do realize that you are a complete jackass, right? You made such a RIDICULOUSLY complex plan that ONLY benefits you (and kind of the town in the long run I suppose) your stupid logic and reasoning hinges off so much, it took you like 9 paragraphs to explain that shit AND that only works for you and takes like nine fucking days to confirm yourself. This can't be serious, the lynch check plan was CLEARLY the best and most efficient way to actually fucking confirm ALL of the DT's because we have no idea how many there are. Sure your plan made sense but lets look at some Ockham's razor over here. We have two options, Ace knew of this lynch check plan that guarantees DT sanity in two days, then decides to use his awesomely selfish retarded check plan to confirm himself over a period of 3 days minimum that involves the luck aspect of hopefully certain people getting hit which then confirms his sanity. OR! Hes mafia creating an elaborate excuse that just barely makes enough sense to convince us not to kill him. The decision is yours! Oh another fun inconsistency. I checked Judge on Night 1 because I didn't have any BG names and the Vet never stepped forward. Duh? Why does it matter who I checked then? You're bringing attention to something that has no bearing on my motives. If any of the 3 prime choices for checking aren't there I had to pick someone instead of you know, not using my unlimited role checks. The vet had nothing to do with day 1 checks, it was about checking Motbob because he was our lynch check you jackass. After the mafia hits during the day the Vet was supposed to reveal, but as of now maybe there isn't one, or he isn't actively reading the thread. | ||
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Oh and sorry Qatol/Ver I will tone down any insults I was using. | ||
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On October 26 2009 22:00 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: We chose BOTH ideas. They are not mutually exclusive in any way. And if we had stuck to both, we would have been fine if no vet came forward. Yeah, I think I said this about 3 times or something T_T. If not vet came forward we probably could of worked something else out, but the DT sanity would still be present. | ||
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On October 27 2009 06:19 Shikyo wrote: Guys WTF are you abstaining for with these vote numbers? It's like the best way in the world to avoid lynching a mafia. lol yeah, its just asking for a mafia vote swing to kill the next highest voted person. | ||
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On October 27 2009 09:11 Shikyo wrote: If you and both judge were mafia the plan would be to make him seem like an unappealing lynch because of the chance of being a dt and also to have an excuse for him to not be killed by mafia because of that helping with your sanity. I was thinking this too, I just wasn't sure about it. Just just seemed too random of a check to actually be a random check. | ||
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Ace played HORRENDOUSLY. There is no other way to look at that. His actions were selfish and barely made sense. Acting like a complete prick never helps either. The phrase "Durrr" was also quite irksome. I think maybe there is one mafia. Possibly the person who initially started the Ace vote. It actually wasn't me who did it. I voted motbob, someone voted Ace. I decided Ace was a good call too because he was threatening to pardon basically anyone who we decided to lynch which is anti town. | ||
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Oh and Judge, that's what you get for vote hating me. Happy birthday <3 So at this point I don't know how we are supposed to move forward with the VEt plan entirely. One DT is down and Motbob is still alive. I suppose we could lynch Motbob and hope that the other DT(s) checked him. Then the next night they can check L with their sanity confirmed. | ||
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On October 28 2009 13:15 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: So either L got hit by a vigilante or the mad hatter bomb, but not the mafia? lol What are you saying? He was either hit by the mafia or the MadHatter. DF Either put a bomb on Judge and L, or Judge and Incognito. The mafia definitely used one hit on DF which activated (her?) bombs which hit either L and Judge, or Judge and Incognito. This is all assuming that L was actually protected/Veteran last night and that DF planted two bombs already (which is possible) The mafia also could of targeted Judge, however the last two things are highly unlikely. I doubt the mafia hit one of there own and if you look in DF's past posts, (She?) said she agreed with L on something, although that was very early on so her opinion could of changed. I didn't see any comments on incognito though. | ||
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On October 28 2009 15:15 Scamp wrote: That scenario might make the most sense but it's wrong. The mafia hit Incognito and Dreamflower, unless the way the deaths are described have no meaning. There may not be clues, but the way they died is still valid. Also don't forget that L could simply be lying. How can you just say its wrong? You have nothing else backing that up. DF specifically said earlier in the thread that he agreed with L and nothing to the contrary. He could of been lying, he could have changed his mind but he never stated anything else. I want to see how rest of this plays out, I want to see what L has in mind and I will observe and criticize for a change :D | ||
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On October 28 2009 17:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: To further expound on this: in the Day post it explicitly says "the mafia had sealed the exits." Incognito was not killed by the mad hatter bomb. L was either a) hit by a vig b) hit by the other bomb c) not hit and is lying My initial posts were incorrect. If the vig (i say the, there is most certainly not more than 1 if any) did hit L he should speak up. If there is no vig we narrow down the possibilities to b or c. RoL. I find it curious that you were so quick to correct me on my initial and incidentally logical reaction... I would actually like to take back what I said earlier. I never actually read the day post. I figured there were no clues so there was no point. However I didn't think in regards to how people were killed. | ||
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