EPT[LCK] Spring 2022 - Page 2
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AzAlexZ
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AzAlexZ
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Edit: T1 massacre in the second game, the undisputed best team in LCK, love to see it | ||
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AdsMoFro
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On February 18 2022 17:52 AzAlexZ wrote: What a game LMAO T1 Happy gaming into WINIONS Edit: T1 massacre in the second game, the undisputed best team in LCK, love to see it Watched the first game of the series and was definitely happy gaming. Incredible to watch them just refuse to end properly and go for the force end 3 times in a row, get wiped and still go for it again. | ||
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Uldridge
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evilfatsh1t
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DarkCore
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On February 23 2022 22:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: t1 absolutely demolished dk. real mental breaker defeats for dk after being so ahead in game 1 and getting backdoored in game 2 Tbh this was a textbook OG T1 series against top teams: even when behind, it doesn't feel like Faker and friends can lose. And this T1 is slowly shaping up to be their best roster ever (they'd need to win Worlds though), really curious how the top teams of other regions will stand up to them. | ||
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Uldridge
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On February 23 2022 22:39 evilfatsh1t wrote: t1 absolutely demolished dk. real mental breaker defeats for dk after being so ahead in game 1 and getting backdoored in game 2 They were never behind though, were they? Cait never had less gold than Jinx and Lux was 1k ahead of Leona when they were going topside to take the turret, after Cait was picked off once again. Their macro was just too good for DK. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On February 24 2022 05:16 Uldridge wrote: They were never behind though, were they? Cait never had less gold than Jinx and Lux was 1k ahead of Leona when they were going topside to take the turret, after Cait was picked off once again. Their macro was just too good for DK. cait only managed to catch up because dk over commited to herald and let cait take all the plates. that was the start of dk's fall but if t1 was in dk's position then a 2-0 jinx would have outcarried the shit out of a 0-2 cait. jinx and cait actually ended up going 3-0 and 0-3 respectively but t1 didnt allow deokdam to carry. completely outplayed | ||
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Uldridge
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On February 25 2022 13:09 evilfatsh1t wrote: cait only managed to catch up because dk over commited to herald and let cait take all the plates. that was the start of dk's fall but if t1 was in dk's position then a 2-0 jinx would have outcarried the shit out of a 0-2 cait. jinx and cait actually ended up going 3-0 and 0-3 respectively but t1 didnt allow deokdam to carry. completely outplayed Do you stay in original lane assignments there and hope to press your advantage vs Cait Lux where you got ahead on team effort? They would keep being shoved in and it might've been too dangerous unless you can guarantee to catch Lux 24/7 imo. You're never getting any plates otherwise. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On February 26 2022 01:17 Uldridge wrote: Do you stay in original lane assignments there and hope to press your advantage vs Cait Lux where you got ahead on team effort? They would keep being shoved in and it might've been too dangerous unless you can guarantee to catch Lux 24/7 imo. You're never getting any plates otherwise. are you saying you think jinx leona would have continued to lose the 2v2? because thats wrong. im not suggesting that dk shouldnt have gone for herald at all either. with their bot winning so hard of course dk should have got herald. the problem is leona walked towards herald from base to help and t1 made the very quick decision to not contest. leona should have changed course as soon as canyon realised he wasnt being contested but leona was too slow. now deokdam knows lux and xin are botside and cant walk up to lane to take waves or defend plates. if leona was sitting him then jinx wouldnt have stagnated so hard, even with the risk of being dove. the alternative and probably correct decision would be jinx and leona base together, get herald, lane swaps with top and they trade towers. jinx gets huge, doesnt have to worry about a dive because hes on the wrong side of the map, and top just goes 50 50 as usual. cait is big but jinx is still bigger. later the nail in the coffin was still jinx dying to azir because he greeded and tried to galeforce out of range, but whatever | ||
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Uldridge
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It's entirely possible Lux would've roamed to herald if they sniffed out Jinx going top to rotate and accelerate - T1 has a ward at herald -, trying to slow them down and then you either give Cait solo lane or she goes up there to either contest herald and/or the lane. Obviously it could go either way, and early Leona and fed Jinx might be more probable to win a full out teamfight, but T1 knew perfectly how to play around Gnar ragebar making DK very hesitant to force anything. Leona Jinx for sure win the all in if they can get it to happen. The Jinx solokill was quite the misplay by Guma and I don't think he'd make that same mistake again. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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if jinx went towards herald the first problem for t1 is you dont know whether the jinx is coming back bot or going to herald, so theyre already having to be reactive or do what dk did, which was make an assumption and hope youre right. now even if t1 did guess that jinx was joining the rest of the team at herald, lux coming to herald alone is a mistake because cait pushing bot alone is slow and a sloppy 4v5 situation could easily lead to another t1 player getting picked off by leona/ahri/jinx. so you either bring cait with you, or you do what t1 did and get lux to help cait take the tower. if you bring cait with you then you have a 5v5 which undoubtedly favours dk at that point in the game and thats why t1 chose not to contest herald. where dk made mistakes that t1 wouldnt have, aside from deokdam getting caught out, is leona leaving jinx twice without vision around bot. leona went top once and although they did get a kill, jinx couldnt do shit at bot and viego had to hold jinx's hand back to the lane because he couldnt go alone. i guess you could say canyon screwed up here also because if viego/jinx walked together quicker then jinx could have cleared the wave as it crashed and cait wouldnt get the 2 free plates. the same thing happened again later when leona walked to herald and took ages to realise that he was walking there for no reason and allowed lux/xin to push jinx out of the lane again. if dk was gonna play the top game and play around gwen/ahri then their choices may have been fine, but they sacrificed their bot when they were in fact looking to play a bot game. | ||
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Uldridge
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First Leona roam is indeed a sadlife for the Jinx aswell. Guess you can hope they learn from it to become more efficient in giving the fed hypercarry as efficient an access to farm as possible. I don't think the 5v5 is that clear and cut even when ahead though. Megagnar and Xin can easily get onto Jinx and 100 to 0 her while cced. Meanwhile, have fun walking through the jungle into Cait/Lux/Azir when they're retreating as Gwen/Ahri/Leona/Viego try to engage. You need at least one (Leona) to peel if Mega/Xin (or even Azir) go in, making your backline access that much less effective. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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Uldridge
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On February 26 2022 23:47 evilfatsh1t wrote: my point is from t1's perspective the 5v5 at herald is too much risk and dk knows it. if the fight goes perfectly for t1 then yeah the 5v5 is very winnable, but the difficulty of execution is way higher for t1 especially because dk had priority and therefore would have superior vision and positioning in and around the herald. t1 would have to either flank or group as 5 and push from one side with perfect initiations from both gnar and xin. add to the teamfight the extra hassle of managing gnar's rage timer and the fact that t1 had 4 flashes down anyway and its just not a risk you want to take. t1 has to have a perfect fight to have a chance but they cant have a perfect fight to begin with So the Leona was an unforced error? I'm not trying to argue to argue here by the way, I'm largely agreeing with you. But if DK knows 5v5 is too risky for T1 then why put Jinx behind with a Leona roam in the first place? I can't recall, but was T1 ward at herald swept? If they see Jinx there it could be a trigger still for Cait/Lux to move up to relieve pressure from topside. I think T1 is perfectly able (one of the only teams in the world at this level as far as I've seen) to play around Gnar rage timer. Setup for a fight > flashes if they know the timers by the way. I feel like GA and flashes are a lot of the times a trap which players cling on to, to get them out of a bad situation, especially in chaotic team fights. GA is a win more item and flash is best used in lane or when the 5v5 isn't in full force. I can't recount the amount of times a carry gets picked with flash up because he's just too slow or misjudged the situation. In any case, 4 flashes down is still a lot and is a risk most teams wouldn't take. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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its why dk are mid table now. not just poor performances individually but theyre wasteful with their turns. | ||
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AzAlexZ
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DarkCore
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On February 28 2022 03:11 AzAlexZ wrote: if Gen.G doesn't beat T1 in a couple of days then T1 has an actual chance to go 18-0 this season, which is crazy. Last year we were talking about how Damwon might beat T1's (SKT's) record, and now we know that the only team that can beat SKT is T1 I hope they beat their own record, it would definitely motivate Faker. Would be crazy if they manage to grab another Worlds title, I also want to see how long this roster lasts. | ||
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AdsMoFro
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On February 28 2022 17:34 DarkCore wrote: I hope they beat their own record, it would definitely motivate Faker. Would be crazy if they manage to grab another Worlds title, I also want to see how long this roster lasts. T1 being the strongest team also gives us the possibility that Faker gets chosen for the Asian Games in September as part of the entire T1 set. Winning gold would make him able to do the 6-week military course instead of the full conscription which would be huge. Tbf I don't think conscription should happen for anybody but fuck it'll hurt to see Faker's career end from having to do military service. Was already bitter sweet seeing Khan's career end last year. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
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On February 28 2022 18:05 AdsMoFro wrote: T1 being the strongest team also gives us the possibility that Faker gets chosen for the Asian Games in September as part of the entire T1 set. Winning gold would make him able to do the 6-week military course instead of the full conscription which would be huge. Tbf I don't think conscription should happen for anybody but fuck it'll hurt to see Faker's career end from having to do military service. Was already bitter sweet seeing Khan's career end last year. given the situation with ukraine russia and the parallels it has to north and south korea, you can see why conscription is still a thing in korea | ||
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