EPTOn October 11 2014 18:07 Slow Motion wrote:
Why does Phreak think he's the AD carry expert on this panel?
Why does Phreak think he's the AD carry expert on this panel?
Probably for the same reason that he's an expert in the first place.
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Probably for the same reason that he's an expert in the first place. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:06 Volband wrote: I'd bet a nickel on that if Kayle/Zil ults would've saved people from Akali assassinations, people would go "omg, picking Akali vs a team with Kayle and Zil, just bad!". Those ults well used in a close game could totally shut down an Akali. that was my thought upon seeing the akali pick, but in retrospect the akali pick was really smart. Blue can save two people from getting insta-killed. Which is nice in theory except White can burst down 4 people. Traditionally, you counter Kayle and Zilean by picking strong AOE. White chose to counter by picking 4 assassins instead. Plus, once White's comp gets ahead it snowballs ridiculously hard and White had a lead since the first dragon at level 3. | ||
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Pantagruel
United States1427 Posts
Did not expect Blue to get stomped this hard in game 1. I think they had an ok'ish comp, but the Zilean and Kayle ults were never once utilized well and those were integral to their success. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7229 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:08 Slusher wrote: white seeing the gank bot coming a mile away where they got fb, a 2nd kill and dragon had way more to do with that loss than picks Yeah this game was about the early game snowball. First bot, then heart derping in mid, then the clusterfuck top. Just disastrous misplay in all three lanes. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:06 Volband wrote: I'd bet a nickel on that if Kayle/Zil ults would've saved people from Akali assassinations, people would go "omg, picking Akali vs a team with Kayle and Zil, just bad!". Those ults well used in a close game could totally shut down an Akali. SSW had no need to commit though, if you look at their comp it's actually a disengage + poke comp. They could have just as easily baited out kayle and zil ulti with just pawn. especially with lack of sustain from SSB. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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las91
United States5080 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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Letmelose
Korea (South)3227 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:09 Pantagruel wrote: Akali did basically get shut down the entire game. The final stats was Akali just being a beneficiary of White being vastly superior this game, mostly due to Mata and Dandy's facilitating and rotations. Definitely a case of riding the coattails rather then dictating play. Did not expect Blue to get stomped this hard in game 1. I think they had an ok'ish comp, but the Zilean and Kayle ults were never once utilized well and those were integral to their success. Looper allows Samsung Galaxy White to play the way they do. It's a lot harder to be the one left out, but still find ways of being helpful, than to force your teammates to make you look good. Like JoyLuck once said, when Looper plays conservatively, it's not because he thinks he is inferior to the opposing laner, it's because it's the right thing to do in that situation. Seriously, it's been bugging me a while how Montecristo shapes the opinions in some cases, because as smart as he is, his opinions aren't always in sync with those who have more experience and knowledge about the Korean scene. Looper is a major reason why Samsung Galaxy White is such a scary team. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:13 Slusher wrote: blue had multiple ways to engage all they had outside of lee sin/yasuo combo was varus ult. | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:01 wei2coolman wrote: picking no cc, and no escapes on adc against akali, you're gunna have a bad time. This is not soloQ. Akali was picked last on purple. Try to counterpick that. And they had a fair bit of CC with varus ult, lee sin ult and yasuo knockup. | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:11 wei2coolman wrote: SSW had no need to commit though, if you look at their comp it's actually a disengage + poke comp. They could have just as easily baited out kayle and zil ulti with just pawn. especially with lack of sustain from SSB. that's the first time I've heard a Rengar+Akali combo called a poke comp the only poke champion on White is Jayce, who can double as a midgame assassin with his EQRQE combo. Janna has a strong disengage sure, but Janna was used more as teamfight disruption than actual disengage. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:14 las91 wrote: all they had outside of lee sin/yasuo combo was varus ult. with a zilian speed up at your disposal that is enough | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:15 Ryuu314 wrote: that's the first time I've heard a Rengar+Akali combo called a poke comp the only poke champion on White is Jayce. Janna has a strong disengage sure, but Janna was used more as teamfight disruption than actual disengage. the comp was a total skirmish/snowball composition. just because you add a jayce doesn't make it a poke comp. Janna was basically the equivalent of something like Nunu/Nami, separate the fight into skirmishes and let Akali/Jayce/Twitch go On October 11 2014 18:15 Slusher wrote: with a zilian speed up at your disposal that is enough Think so? To lock down Akali and Rengar and Twitch as well as being able to catch them after a Janna disengage/disruption? | ||
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ShootAnonymous
1948 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:14 Letmelose wrote: Looper allows Samsung Galaxy White to play the way they do. It's a lot harder to be the one left out, but still find ways of being helpful, than to force your teammates to make you look good. Like JoyLuck once said, when Looper plays conservatively, it's not because he thinks he is inferior to the opposing laner, it's because it's the right thing to do in that situation. Seriously, it's been bugging me a while how Montecristo shapes the opinions in some cases, because as smart as he is, his opinions aren't always in sync with those who have more experience and knowledge about the Korean scene. Looper is a major reason why Samsung Galaxy White is such a scary team. ? What did Monte say about Looper? (I'm not watching the EN stream) Monte has been singing Looper's praises for quite a while, especially with the advent of the teleport era this season. | ||
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Celial
2602 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:14 Letmelose wrote: Looper allows Samsung Galaxy White to play the way they do. It's a lot harder to be the one left out, but still find ways of being helpful, than to force your teammates to make you look good. Like JoyLuck once said, when Looper plays conservatively, it's not because he thinks he is inferior to the opposing laner, it's because it's the right thing to do in that situation. Seriously, it's been bugging me a while how Montecristo shapes the opinions in some cases, because as smart as he is, his opinions aren't always in sync with those who have more experience and knowledge about the Korean scene. Looper is a major reason why Samsung Galaxy White is such a scary team. How would SSW benefit from Looper not fucking up the opposing laner if he is better and could do so? | ||
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miicah
Australia2470 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On October 11 2014 18:15 Slusher wrote: with a zilian speed up at your disposal that is enough against 3 sources of invis, one aoe speed up, a passive movespeed boost + arguably the strongest disengage support in the game? yea....no | ||
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