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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:35 Affenaffe wrote: or maybe he thinks coinflipping is better than taking average outcomes It's not a coinflip when the odds are 60-70% against him doing well. Series vs TSM came down a lot to him just being completely outclassed while picking mids that have to do well. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22488 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:33 Numy wrote: Yea honestly I feel C9 or Hai's draft phase makes his swings even worse. He doesn't just pick into don't lose matchups against laners that are superior to him, he always seems to pick these risky matchups that if one gets behind they can't do anything. I wonder if it's confidence/arrogance or not. Because picking "not lose" lanes agaist teams who are your betters leads to games where you just slowly die for 30min without having any chance to win. He takes the risks because it will give them an option to win or lose big instead of lose or lose slowly | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:37 justiceknight wrote: why shield dont have 3rd ban? According to KR casters it was intentional and shield didn't want to disrespect with a troll ban | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2272 Posts
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:40 Fusilero wrote: According to KR casters it was intentional and shield didn't want to disrespect with a troll ban Save was typing something, I think they just failed. | ||
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
NWS looked more prepared. I dunno, that didn't look like C9 to me. NWS put such a huge investment into vision, and C9 put so much. I think they made a couple mistakes and they just tilted it out. I've never seen C9 respond to objectives so poorly. They just didn't really rotate, they ignored objective fights and then fought at times when it really wasn't necessary. In any case, I think the fashion that they lost probably helps them out a fair bit, gives them lots to work on for next game. | ||
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ManBaker
1943 Posts
#collusion | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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iCanada
Canada10660 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:44 krndandaman wrote: I feel like c9 is just focusing on beating alliance again. thats all they need to do pretty much to secure an advance to quarters. Yeah, I think they just accepted that they probably would lose against them, and decided to just play their best and gain some information from NWS while focusing their attention on what gets them out of groups. I'm okay with that. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:42 iCanada wrote: I think that was just an awkward composition, and I also think NWS was probably in top form after watching SSB go down. NWS looked more prepared. I dunno, that didn't look like C9 to me. NWS put such a huge investment into vision, and C9 put so much. I think they made a couple mistakes and they just tilted it out. I've never seen C9 respond to objectives so poorly. They just didn't really rotate, they ignored objective fights and then fought at times when it really wasn't necessary. In any case, I think the fashion that they lost probably helps them out a fair bit, gives them lots to work on for next game. Teams outside of Korea just have no idea how to set up vision properly, we saw that in every game so far. Only Cyanide/Yellow did it somewhat decent. Just look how always Gorilla and Watch are together when one lane is pushing and they go for deep wards on that side of the map. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
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Kinie
United States3106 Posts
Honestly I really hated c9's draft. if they wanted to go with a "protect the ADC" composition I'd much rather have seen Meteos on a tanky jungler like J4 or Vi and Hai grabbing himself Orianna. You give up that pick, 100-0 Talon and another champ reliant on resets with the Kha, and instead get 2 shields, a heal plus AD steroid for the Trist, with a pretty decent engage or ball delivery/wombo combo with Orianna + Lulu when J4 ults/initaites the fight. | ||
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Maluk
France987 Posts
I think that if Samsung Blue wants to go for throws throwing this game was the best possible decision. | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:50 Maluk wrote: Is it possible that Samsung Blue lost to Fnatic on purpose ? I don't believe it myself for now but that would be such an incredibly smart move. Trying to go for that second place with no one being able to even suspect them. I think that if Samsung Blue wants to go for throws throwing this game was the best possible decision. No. | ||
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las91
United States5080 Posts
Instead of the Lulu/Talon, I feel something like a Rumble/Orianna with focus around bot side vision control and focus on dragon well into the mid-game would have led to a much more even game with better scaling into late game than they had with this pick/ban, I think the no 3rd ban threw them for a loop as well as some extremely poor in-game decision making. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
On September 26 2014 21:50 Maluk wrote: Is it possible that Samsung Blue lost to Fnatic on purpose ? I don't believe it myself for now but that would be such an incredibly smart move. Trying to go for that second place with no one being able to even suspect them. I think that if Samsung Blue wants to go for throws throwing this game was the best possible decision. Not likely, Deft was crying after that game. To early to throw in group also. | ||
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