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Two things as public notice:
1. + Show Spoiler [Quarterfinals 1 spoiler] +
Congrats to Fnatic, they played superbly and glgl to them in the Semis!
No one is saying that Fnatic only won because of the level 1 in Game 3. Please keep the nationalistic statements out of our subforum.


2. Riot's Worlds format is atrocious. Let's not beat a dead horse here. I will certainly be talking to Riot's eSports dept about it in the near future.

I simply ask everyone to be civil. Humble in victory, graceful in defeat.
Enjoy the games~

-Neo, Sept 23rd, 3:20 PM PDT, page 120
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
September 25 2013 15:47 GMT
#5841
Chinese games are always crazy action. Stark contrast to the old S2 meta of 60 minute farm games becuase fucking Froggen would get invincible as Anivia.
It's your boy Guzma!
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 25 2013 15:48 GMT
#5842
On September 26 2013 00:47 Requizen wrote:
Chinese games are always crazy action. Stark contrast to the old S2 meta of 60 minute farm games becuase fucking Froggen would get invincible as Anivia.


Thank fuck for that.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#5843
Really like Tabe, he's now my favorite player at World's.

HE'S GOING TO RETIRE AFTER FINALS, AND PROPOSE TO HIS GIRLFRIEND. I CANT TAKE THE FEELZ.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
September 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#5844
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

if silver surfer was for stork, what do you call 4th place surfer? lol
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 16:05:29
September 25 2013 16:02 GMT
#5845
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

WE, yes. OMG? lol.

You have zero basis to go on to say OMG would be stronger vs. international teams.

On September 26 2013 00:54 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

if silver surfer was for stork, what do you call 4th place surfer? lol

In fairness, WE got screwed over by Tencent's Worlds qualification format, because really with how they played in Summer, iG didn't deserve to play in the qualifier. They just got in off their Spring split performance. And given WE's history of performing much better in BoX matches than either of these 2 teams, they probably could have qualified if they got into the qualifier.
Moderator
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 16:09:37
September 25 2013 16:09 GMT
#5846
On September 26 2013 00:54 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

if silver surfer was for stork, what do you call 4th place surfer? lol


Hey, hey F91 had some good showings under my tutelage. -_-
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
September 25 2013 16:10 GMT
#5847
On September 26 2013 01:02 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

WE, yes. OMG? lol.

You have zero basis to go on to say OMG would be stronger vs. international teams.
.


My basis is that OMG just played 8 games and went 1-1 vs SKT, which is 8 games more than Royal has =[
TranslatorBaa!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 16:11:55
September 25 2013 16:11 GMT
#5848
I don't think 6 games vs. TSM, LD, and GG.EU are really representative of anything.
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
September 25 2013 16:13 GMT
#5849
On September 26 2013 01:11 TheYango wrote:
I don't think 6 games vs. TSM, LD, and GG.EU are really representative of anything.


1-1 vs SKT, 2 more games than the 0 Royal has had, which is infinite percent more!

I think the LD game 2 was pretty indicative though. I mean it's easy to easy Royal is stronger than LD too, but the trollcomp stomp?
TranslatorBaa!
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
September 25 2013 16:14 GMT
#5850
On September 26 2013 01:11 TheYango wrote:
I don't think 6 games vs. TSM, LD, and GG.EU are really representative of anything.


Yep. I highly recommend people watch that gamespot interview with Tabe.
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 16:28:59
September 25 2013 16:27 GMT
#5851
On September 26 2013 01:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 01:11 TheYango wrote:
I don't think 6 games vs. TSM, LD, and GG.EU are really representative of anything.


1-1 vs SKT, 2 more games than the 0 Royal has had, which is infinite percent more!

I think the LD game 2 was pretty indicative though. I mean it's easy to easy Royal is stronger than LD too, but the trollcomp stomp?


At the same time though, SKT almost gifted OMG the first game with the really dumb play by bengi, and then the second game OMG basically trained and lost 7 kills, 3 towers and an inhib, and SKT did a really good job closing it out after that.

SKT was unprepared for the aggressiveness, and OMG had a brain fart.

Going into a multigame series though, SKT would probably be more solid, because no team other than OMG has done the tower dive after one buff thing this tournament, or really in Korea.

I'll take tabe's word that they can't beat skt in scrims though.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
Navi
Profile Joined November 2009
5286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 17:05:35
September 25 2013 16:44 GMT
#5852
OMG had a perfect game in the first game vs SKT. I can't stress that enough. even then, the SKT players' individual ability levels were clear to me as an observer to be much higher than OMG's - yet OMG's teamplay was enough to get them that first game. nonetheless, i'd have SKT as favorites over them in series play anyday.

royal has an at least comparably mechanically skilled adc and unique teamcomps; with a more ad-centric comp, i could see them pushing SKT further, even if they are losing scrims hard atm.
Hey! Listen!
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 17:10:47
September 25 2013 17:05 GMT
#5853
royal seems like a team that is very good at improving. they were mid tier with potential since forever, but has steadily improved to be a top team. they used to do these huge throws, but in the games vs OMG it is their midgame fights that got them ahead. if they could get a better jungler, they should dominate the chinese scene.

We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 17:25:16
September 25 2013 17:23 GMT
#5854
On September 26 2013 01:13 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 01:11 TheYango wrote:
I don't think 6 games vs. TSM, LD, and GG.EU are really representative of anything.


1-1 vs SKT, 2 more games than the 0 Royal has had, which is infinite percent more!

I think the LD game 2 was pretty indicative though. I mean it's easy to easy Royal is stronger than LD too, but the trollcomp stomp?

It was an unconventional team comp, but I wouldn't say it was a troll comp. Aatrox, Cassio, and jungle Yorick are all stuff they've played before. Aatrox going full damage was really just a function of OMG doing so well early and snowballing plus Aatrox being Aatrox. That passive means he can afford to build a bit squishier than more melees. Support Veigar+Nid was new, but tbh Veigar is not a terrible support pick given how strong event horizon is. Nid just meshed well with their poke-ish comp.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 25 2013 17:28 GMT
#5855
On September 26 2013 01:02 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

WE, yes. OMG? lol.

You have zero basis to go on to say OMG would be stronger vs. international teams.

I'm convinced that OMG is good against international teams if only because San looks like a superstar against them, but is the visibly weak link in a China vs. China match.

With that said I don't know how you can say OMG looks weak to intra-China when they won LPL Spring and have a 78% winrate in both seasons combined. They don't seem as strong in BO series though.
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21245 Posts
September 25 2013 17:32 GMT
#5856
On September 26 2013 02:28 kainzero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 01:02 TheYango wrote:
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

WE, yes. OMG? lol.

You have zero basis to go on to say OMG would be stronger vs. international teams.

I'm convinced that OMG is good against international teams if only because San looks like a superstar against them, but is the visibly weak link in a China vs. China match.

With that said I don't know how you can say OMG looks weak to intra-China when they won LPL Spring and have a 78% winrate in both seasons combined. They don't seem as strong in BO series though.


Again, any and all comparisons are inherently on a relative basis, and I don't think it'
s a stretch to say OMG is weaker against Chinese teams than against international teams, especially judging from this tournament + Chinese qualifiers.
TranslatorBaa!
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
September 25 2013 17:35 GMT
#5857
Would you include Korean teams into "international teams" here? Sample size is incredibly small obviously with only SKT so far.
kainzero
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States5211 Posts
September 25 2013 17:47 GMT
#5858
On September 26 2013 02:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 02:28 kainzero wrote:
On September 26 2013 01:02 TheYango wrote:
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

WE, yes. OMG? lol.

You have zero basis to go on to say OMG would be stronger vs. international teams.

I'm convinced that OMG is good against international teams if only because San looks like a superstar against them, but is the visibly weak link in a China vs. China match.

With that said I don't know how you can say OMG looks weak to intra-China when they won LPL Spring and have a 78% winrate in both seasons combined. They don't seem as strong in BO series though.


Again, any and all comparisons are inherently on a relative basis, and I don't think it'
s a stretch to say OMG is weaker against Chinese teams than against international teams, especially judging from this tournament + Chinese qualifiers.

I think they've had some problems with Royal and WE in BO series, but they smashed PE and iG in playoff series.

I think OMG's BO1 is very good.

The other 3 teams in LPL are/were punching bags.
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-25 17:52:23
September 25 2013 17:48 GMT
#5859
On September 26 2013 02:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2013 02:28 kainzero wrote:
On September 26 2013 01:02 TheYango wrote:
On September 26 2013 00:28 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
im really annoyed because teams like we and omg are probably stronger vs international teams, but they are weaker to intra-china competition from ppl like royal

its like back in bw when f91 could dumpster pretty much every foreigner but could never make it out of china qualifiers to prove it lol

still hoping royal can surprise me and show something @_@

WE, yes. OMG? lol.

You have zero basis to go on to say OMG would be stronger vs. international teams.

I'm convinced that OMG is good against international teams if only because San looks like a superstar against them, but is the visibly weak link in a China vs. China match.

With that said I don't know how you can say OMG looks weak to intra-China when they won LPL Spring and have a 78% winrate in both seasons combined. They don't seem as strong in BO series though.


Again, any and all comparisons are inherently on a relative basis, and I don't think it'
s a stretch to say OMG is weaker against Chinese teams than against international teams, especially judging from this tournament + Chinese qualifiers.


How so? Considering we haven't seen any other chinese team playing against international teams. While OMG did obviously good in the group stage, and relatively bad vs royal, there isn't really any information we can get from that how OMG's performance against international teams is compared to - and that's the important thing - other chinese teams.

I mean the first explanation for OMG's performance that comes to mind is that the chinese teams that are strong vs OMG are just better than the international teams OMG has played against. (except SKT, which is a 2 game sample size)
Zergneedsfood
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10671 Posts
September 25 2013 17:51 GMT
#5860
Last year it was clg that brought glory by knockoff out we. Can eu scumbag China again???????

Hopefully not. :p
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