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daSilvaz
Profile Joined June 2011
809 Posts
September 01 2013 22:17 GMT
#4381
On September 02 2013 07:13 Gahlo wrote:
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On September 02 2013 07:11 daSilvaz wrote:
On September 02 2013 07:10 Azelja wrote:
C9 is not vastly better than TSM <.< They are great, maybe better... but not vastly better.

It's not even close, ur fanboi glasses just cloud ur sight, sorry

Keep drinking that haterade.

Call it what u will, dont cry too much when they get stomped hardcore at worlds tho.
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
September 01 2013 22:17 GMT
#4382
On September 02 2013 07:16 daSilvaz wrote:
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On September 02 2013 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
On September 02 2013 07:10 Azelja wrote:
C9 is not vastly better than TSM <.< They are great, maybe better... but not vastly better.

Every single player of C9 is better than his TSM counterpart.
And they got better teamwork.

I call that vastly better. Maybe even a bit higher.

Not the support imo, but pretty much yea

Yeaaa, I don'T think Lemon is THAT good.
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
September 01 2013 22:17 GMT
#4383
On September 02 2013 07:15 Alaric wrote:
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On September 02 2013 07:11 Fusilero wrote:
TSM looked fairly even at the start but when C9 hit their mid game spike it wasn't even close. C9 are just so good at asserting themselves when they have a lead, when c9 wants a fight they fight they don't dance around going "oooh I don't think it's perfect enough"

I think that (way too) forced fight top was the turning point. TSM lost the fight, then Meteos were able to pressure bot since there was noone there to stop it from pushing. They proceed to get Xpecial+tower+drake (stupid Elise) while TSM only gets a tower. That was a large gold swing between the previous fight and that, and a bunch of map control that TSM relinquished (plus the momentum).

I still don't get why they let Balls get Rumble. He's not a one-trick pony but his Rumble is significantly better than the rest of his (rather narrow) champion pool and also brings a ton of objective/zone control which is exactly what C9 likes. Plus, Rumble is one of Dyrus' best champions. If you take Rumble away from Balls, he's not playing as well, and the rest of the pool has nowhere near as much dragon control so it harms their playstyle too.

Dyrus' Rumble has been hit or miss in the past, though. They may not have wanted to risk it being an off day and getting crushed (not that they didn't get crushed in the midgame anyway).
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 01 2013 22:17 GMT
#4384
On September 02 2013 07:13 upperbound wrote:
I think a stronger midgame AD would have made a huge difference in that game. Vayne wasn't even doing much damage and people were still all getting very low.


Vayne is actually a really strong midgame AD with BotrK timing. She can basically crush anyone 1v1 when she gets botrk. It's just turtle goes BT so he does nothing.
Sp00ly
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1546 Posts
September 01 2013 22:17 GMT
#4385
I love Cloud9, but I at least want TSM to make a series out of this and not just get 3-0'd. Also Cloud9 in group stages would be way more interesting.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
September 01 2013 22:18 GMT
#4386
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.

BAYLIFE
Writer:o
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
September 01 2013 22:18 GMT
#4387
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.

It's pretty obvious when u think about it. They used to win everything in NA, streamed a ton and put out content regularly.
Jaedong :D
Azelja
Profile Joined May 2011
Japan762 Posts
September 01 2013 22:18 GMT
#4388
I dunno, I'd rather go with the words of the players themselves than the words of people posting on TL... and both TSM and C9 have pretty much always just said that they go pretty even when they play. Also, yes C9 are freakishly strong but many of those wins in LCS came during the pre-early-turret buff patches, so... I dunno, World's will tell the real tale, I'd guess.

(No, I'm not saying that was the only reason C9 won so much, get off of your high clouds)
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
September 01 2013 22:19 GMT
#4389
On September 02 2013 07:17 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 07:16 daSilvaz wrote:
On September 02 2013 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
On September 02 2013 07:10 Azelja wrote:
C9 is not vastly better than TSM <.< They are great, maybe better... but not vastly better.

Every single player of C9 is better than his TSM counterpart.
And they got better teamwork.

I call that vastly better. Maybe even a bit higher.

Not the support imo, but pretty much yea

Yeaaa, I don'T think Lemon is THAT good.

As a player lemonation isn't that good but as a strategist lemonation is a god.
Glorious SEA doto
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
September 01 2013 22:19 GMT
#4390
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.

Duh, you fanboy Curse and CLG/Dlift, so that one's pretty obvious :p
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
September 01 2013 22:19 GMT
#4391
On September 02 2013 07:17 Volband wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 07:16 daSilvaz wrote:
On September 02 2013 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:
On September 02 2013 07:10 Azelja wrote:
C9 is not vastly better than TSM <.< They are great, maybe better... but not vastly better.

Every single player of C9 is better than his TSM counterpart.
And they got better teamwork.

I call that vastly better. Maybe even a bit higher.

Not the support imo, but pretty much yea

Yeaaa, I don'T think Lemon is THAT good.

Lemon isn't that good, but he's the mind behind c9. He's also a good ADC trainer.
liftlift > tsm
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
September 01 2013 22:19 GMT
#4392
On September 02 2013 07:18 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.

BAYLIFE


ODDBRO
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Volband
Profile Joined March 2011
Hungary6034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 22:21:13
September 01 2013 22:20 GMT
#4393
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.

I think most of us who started during s2 had TSM as their first favourite team - me too, IPL4 was the first tournament I saw. But after worlds I had to realize how bad they are, and it's just NA being bad that makes them look good. They will be crushed at worlds again, I'm 100% positive about that, even though I'd rather see them do good, to make it more interesting.
Flakes
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States3125 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 22:22:49
September 01 2013 22:20 GMT
#4394
On September 02 2013 07:18 Neverhood wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.

It's pretty obvious when u think about it. They used to win everything in NA, streamed a ton and put out content regularly.

and they have strong/memorable/distinct personalities

their chemistry might hurt their teamwork at times but makes them more entertaining
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 22:20:47
September 01 2013 22:20 GMT
#4395
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.


Doublelift seems like an equally odd choice then They share many similarities actually
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 22:22:55
September 01 2013 22:22 GMT
#4396
btw. sneaky mvp in that game! was just crazy good play by him!

I find everytime he plays a different champion than ashe, he really starts to come out of his shell.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
September 01 2013 22:22 GMT
#4397
On September 02 2013 07:15 Doctorbeat wrote:
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On September 02 2013 07:14 ExoFun wrote:
Dyrus karthus really is like Scarra's. unimpressive


Tbh Dyrus played the best out of all of TSM, as always. He constantly had great positioning with his Defile, but Wildturtle/Regi/TOO were pretty disappointing.

Nocturne doesn't have that much presence when his ult is down, and he was required both top and bot while Meteos was kinda free to do his thing because Elise clears stupidly fast, has better mobility and most importantly his lanes where doing better by themselves. Was kinda annoying me because TOO could have done his best, it still wouldn't have been enough which how much he was requested.

And after that they put him on Noc, so... you can't expect him to do much. Noc doesn't feel good at all in competitive play outside of specific compositions, he doesn't bring much.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
September 01 2013 22:22 GMT
#4398
On September 02 2013 07:17 wei2coolman wrote:
I seriously don't understand the fanboism for TSM.


It's the same as people who like the Yankees.

On September 02 2013 07:17 Sp00ly wrote:
I love Cloud9, but I at least want TSM to make a series out of this and not just get 3-0'd. Also Cloud9 in group stages would be way more interesting.


Yeah kinda sad to know that C9 is very likely to face SKT/KTB (whoever qualifies) or else MVP Ozone from quarters. Potentially Royal Club or whoever goes from China besides OMG. They'll probably get eliminated their first match unless they get lucky and pull an EU team or something.
TheSinisterRed
Profile Joined September 2012
United States1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 22:23:01
September 01 2013 22:22 GMT
#4399
I think Ashe, Zed, Rumble bans for TSM and first pick Elise.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
September 01 2013 22:23 GMT
#4400
All of C9 lose lanes regularly, none of them are particularly good (except maybe Meteos who doesn't have the easy comparison). The impressive thing about C9 is that nothing seems to matter. It doesn't matter what the score looks like or what the opponents are doing, come like 25 mins they go win a teamfight and end before the opponents can try a 2nd.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
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