I think a stronger midgame AD would have made a huge difference in that game. Vayne wasn't even doing much damage and people were still all getting very low.

Volband

Hungary6034 Posts

September 01 2013 22:13 GMT

#4363

On September 02 2013 07:11 daSilvaz wrote:

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It's not even close, ur fanboi glasses just cloud9 ur sight, sorry

Had to...

Gahlo

United States35165 Posts

September 01 2013 22:13 GMT

#4364

On September 02 2013 07:11 daSilvaz wrote:

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It's not even close, ur fanboi glasses just cloud ur sight, sorry

Keep drinking that haterade.

AsmodeusXI

United States15536 Posts

September 01 2013 22:13 GMT

#4365

On September 02 2013 07:12 Haasts wrote:
Really glad the crowd's pulling out CLOUD 9 CLOUD 9 CLOUD 9 chants for 'em.

I think they should get "CLOOOOUUUUD 9 *clap clap clap*" chant rhythm because the other one too much like TSM TSM TSM.

ExoFun

Netherlands2041 Posts

September 01 2013 22:14 GMT

#4366

Dyrus karthus really is like Scarra's. unimpressive

UmberBane

Germany5450 Posts

September 01 2013 22:14 GMT

#4367

Yup! "Cloud 9! DUM DUM DUM. Cloud 9! DUM DUM DUM" would sound awesome

Doctorbeat

Netherlands13241 Posts

September 01 2013 22:15 GMT

#4368

On September 02 2013 07:14 ExoFun wrote:
Dyrus karthus really is like Scarra's. unimpressive

Tbh Dyrus played the best out of all of TSM, as always. He constantly had great positioning with his Defile, but Wildturtle/Regi/TOO were pretty disappointing.

overt

United States9006 Posts

September 01 2013 22:15 GMT

#4369

On September 02 2013 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:

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Every single player of C9 is better than his TSM counterpart.
And they got better teamwork.

I call that vastly better. Maybe even a bit higher.

I think you could easily argue that Xpecial is better than Lemon but otherwise, yeah.

The thing about C9 though is they don't have to be better than TSM. They play as a team much better than TSM or any other NA team.

Volband

Hungary6034 Posts

September 01 2013 22:15 GMT

#4370

On September 02 2013 07:14 UmberBane wrote:
Yup! "Cloud 9! DUM DUM DUM. Cloud 9! DUM DUM DUM" would sound awesome

With the NBA-theme (or whatever that jam is called, you Americans) in the background.

ketchup

14521 Posts

September 01 2013 22:15 GMT

#4371

Someone solo'd a "LET'S GO TSM! LET'S GO!" chant. Didn't repeat because no one else followed with him lol

Alaric

France45622 Posts

September 01 2013 22:15 GMT

#4372

On September 02 2013 07:11 Fusilero wrote:
TSM looked fairly even at the start but when C9 hit their mid game spike it wasn't even close. C9 are just so good at asserting themselves when they have a lead, when c9 wants a fight they fight they don't dance around going "oooh I don't think it's perfect enough"

I think that (way too) forced fight top was the turning point. TSM lost the fight, then Meteos were able to pressure bot since there was noone there to stop it from pushing. They proceed to get Xpecial+tower+drake (stupid Elise) while TSM only gets a tower. That was a large gold swing between the previous fight and that, and a bunch of map control that TSM relinquished (plus the momentum).

I still don't get why they let Balls get Rumble. He's not a one-trick pony but his Rumble is significantly better than the rest of his (rather narrow) champion pool and also brings a ton of objective/zone control which is exactly what C9 likes. Plus, Rumble is one of Dyrus' best champions. If you take Rumble away from Balls, he's not playing as well, and the rest of the pool has nowhere near as much dragon control so it harms their playstyle too.

lilwisper

United States2515 Posts

September 01 2013 22:15 GMT

#4373

On so many of those fights and picks I could see where Cait could have a timely ult. Sure Ken was a threat but even if you condemn, Ken's rush still puts him back in range. Vayne is just bad against all that AOE.

heartlxp

United States1258 Posts

September 01 2013 22:15 GMT

#4374

damn the lack of mechanics on tsm side is really showing this game

nojitosunrise

United States6188 Posts

September 01 2013 22:16 GMT

#4375

TSM needs to pick better...

Owned Noob

United States731 Posts

September 01 2013 22:16 GMT

#4376

cloud 9's ability to make snap decisions is their biggest strength
no other na team is able to react as quickly or as decisively as them and they just crush mid game as a result

daSilvaz

809 Posts

September 01 2013 22:16 GMT

#4377

On September 02 2013 07:12 mr_tolkien wrote:

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Every single player of C9 is better than his TSM counterpart.
And they got better teamwork.

I call that vastly better. Maybe even a bit higher.

Not the support imo, but pretty much yea

UmberBane

Germany5450 Posts

September 01 2013 22:16 GMT

#4378

On September 02 2013 07:15 ketchup wrote:
Someone solo'd a "LET'S GO TSM! LET'S GO!" chant. Didn't repeat because no one else followed with him lol

Ah I think that's another one that works better with 2 syllabies actually! "Let's go Cloud 9 let's go!"

Doctorbeat

Netherlands13241 Posts

September 01 2013 22:17 GMT

#4379

On September 02 2013 07:16 Owned Noob wrote:
cloud 9's ability to make snap decisions is their biggest strength
no other na team is able to react as quickly or as decisively as them and they just crush mid game as a result

I do think that many NA teams are very hesitant, and are afraid to go balls deep on every engage, because you only take the engages you know you can win.