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NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 07 2013 15:12 GMT
#661
On July 08 2013 00:09 Dan HH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:02 Lysanias wrote:
If the trend it correct, this will be Deficio's last week in LCS.

They cannot replace Deficio. Bjergsen and Deficio are locked in to the NiP roster. LCS rules won't allow either of them to get benched.

Are you sure? iirc the players said the roster lock happens in August

Like I said above, "lock" is probably the wrong word to use here. NiP can bench Deficio for another Dane but not for an entirely new Support. :3
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 07 2013 15:13 GMT
#662
On July 08 2013 00:11 RouaF wrote:
so this game taught us that annie has no mobility and no damage... :-/
really feel like nip could've done much better with a stronger mid pick

She has the damage, just zero mobility. NiP had poor position and it wasn't enough to compensate for Annie's slowness.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
July 07 2013 15:14 GMT
#663
On July 08 2013 00:11 RouaF wrote:
so this game taught us that annie has no mobility and no damage... :-/
really feel like nip could've done much better with a stronger mid pick

Annie not having damage comes down to the build, though. Getting early Ancient Golem will hurt your damage a lot. Jayce is also a pretty terrible lane for her - don't get why they set Bjergsen up for that
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 07 2013 15:14 GMT
#664
Aranae's accent is beautiful I love it everytime I hear it.
Glorious SEA doto
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 15:16:04
July 07 2013 15:14 GMT
#665
On July 08 2013 00:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:04 AsnSensation wrote:
can people stop calling creaton's SoteL into botrk cancer build? instead just watch the best ezreal player in both LCS EU&NA and learn.

Channel your disdain to wei2coolman. XD


I've given up on telling him to stop bashing EU Ad Carries.

Honestly people should actually go in game and test those things before judging it too hard. While I won't agree with Genja's tear-bt-muramana-lw build, I've played a decent amount of Ashe games (~10) and I can definitely appreciate the tear which allows me to always have Q toggled on, spam volleys forever and not having to care if I will have enough mana for Arrow if I use volley here. (I'm building double Doran's + Tear into standard IE PD etc with lifesteal quints)

Pros will have their reasons for certain builds, and as long as it works and brings in results (aTn & Gambit currently #1 & #2) why question it too much.

EG vs SK, Battle for last place.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 07 2013 15:17 GMT
#666
On July 08 2013 00:14 AsnSensation wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 AsnSensation wrote:
can people stop calling creaton's SoteL into botrk cancer build? instead just watch the best ezreal player in both LCS EU&NA and learn.

Channel your disdain to wei2coolman. XD


I've given up on telling him to stop bashing EU Ad Carries.

Honestly people should actually go in game and test those things before judging it too hard. While I won't agree with Genja's tear-bt-muramana-lw build, I've played a decent amount of Ashe games (~10) and I can definitely appreciate the tear which allows me to always have Q toggled on, spam volleys forever and not having to care if I will have enough mana for Arrow if I use volley here. (I'm building double Doran's + Tear into standard IE PD etc with lifesteal quints)

Pros will have their reasons for certain builds, and as long as it works and brings in results (aTn & Gambit currently #1 & #2) why question it too much.

EG vs SK, Battle for last place.

I'm with you.

There are situations where I cringe and cannot accept (Double's Omen buy against double/triple(?) AP) but for the most part, Creaton's Ez build and Genja's Ashe build makes sense and the pros make it work. Your average joe probably can't make it work and it most certainly work in solo q.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
sataNik[pG]
Profile Joined July 2003
Greece724 Posts
July 07 2013 15:17 GMT
#667
Full damage build for adc is good when you wait in the back for your team to peel for you. Creaton actually peels for his team, often being first row, baiting spells on him to E out and jumping all over the place. Hence this build seems superb for this playstyle, botrk active, tenacity, BV, IG, all add safety to playing in the edge. IF you tried to do those plays with glass cannon build you would surely die and on the other hand IF your team needed YOU to do all the damage, ie they are cc tanks, obv it would be insufficient.
Serelitz
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands2895 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 15:20:00
July 07 2013 15:19 GMT
#668
@asnsensation - Agreed completely.

Quick question, does Muramana dmg apply on Jayce Q? I think it does but it seemed to do so little damage, guessing WK forgot to toggle muramana properly which is kinda fail if it's true (just a guess tho).

Can't believe EG vs SK is actually a battle for last place. Say that to anyone a year ago and they'd have laughed in your face.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 15:25:18
July 07 2013 15:20 GMT
#669
^ Muramana only applies to single target non-DoT damaging abilities and autos. Jayce's Q being AoE, it doesn't benefit from Muramana's toggle.

On July 08 2013 00:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:09 Dan HH wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:02 Lysanias wrote:
If the trend it correct, this will be Deficio's last week in LCS.

They cannot replace Deficio. Bjergsen and Deficio are locked in to the NiP roster. LCS rules won't allow either of them to get benched.

Are you sure? iirc the players said the roster lock happens in August

Like I said above, "lock" is probably the wrong word to use here. NiP can bench Deficio for another Dane but not for an entirely new Support. :3

How does nationality play into this? Looks like I missed something last time I read info about how rosters work.
Edit: makes sense. I initially thought this but since Neo was insisting so much on "Danes" I wondered if he really meant it.
Yeah, go ahead, be disappoint, that won't be predictable at all. :~

Alternate's play makes me really appreciate champs like Lissandra and Hecarim, if only because of how they can force brutal teamfights with their initiation. Though maybe I should blame it on EU/NA relying a bunch on Varus for their own hard engages. :3
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 07 2013 15:21 GMT
#670
The fight for the title in EU begins now hohoho!
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 15:22:52
July 07 2013 15:22 GMT
#671
On July 08 2013 00:20 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:09 Dan HH wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:02 Lysanias wrote:
If the trend it correct, this will be Deficio's last week in LCS.

They cannot replace Deficio. Bjergsen and Deficio are locked in to the NiP roster. LCS rules won't allow either of them to get benched.

Are you sure? iirc the players said the roster lock happens in August

Like I said above, "lock" is probably the wrong word to use here. NiP can bench Deficio for another Dane but not for an entirely new Support. :3

How does nationality play into this? Looks like I missed something last time I read info about how rosters work.

Alternate's play makes me really appreciate champs like Lissandra and Hecarim, if only because of how they can force brutal teamfights with their initiation. Though maybe I should blame it on EU/NA relying a bunch on Varus for their own hard engages. :3


I think with Danes he ment old NiP roster players. Who are on the bench currently.
Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
July 07 2013 15:24 GMT
#672
I am prepared to see an EG win! gogo
WriterFollow me @TL_Chexx
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 15:24:50
July 07 2013 15:24 GMT
#673
On July 08 2013 00:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:14 AsnSensation wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 AsnSensation wrote:
can people stop calling creaton's SoteL into botrk cancer build? instead just watch the best ezreal player in both LCS EU&NA and learn.

Channel your disdain to wei2coolman. XD


I've given up on telling him to stop bashing EU Ad Carries.

Honestly people should actually go in game and test those things before judging it too hard. While I won't agree with Genja's tear-bt-muramana-lw build, I've played a decent amount of Ashe games (~10) and I can definitely appreciate the tear which allows me to always have Q toggled on, spam volleys forever and not having to care if I will have enough mana for Arrow if I use volley here. (I'm building double Doran's + Tear into standard IE PD etc with lifesteal quints)

Pros will have their reasons for certain builds, and as long as it works and brings in results (aTn & Gambit currently #1 & #2) why question it too much.

EG vs SK, Battle for last place.

I'm with you.

There are situations where I cringe and cannot accept (Double's Omen buy against double/triple(?) AP) but for the most part, Creaton's Ez build and Genja's Ashe build makes sense and the pros make it work. Your average joe probably can't make it work and it most certainly work in solo q.


I guess at a glance it's easier to blame a weird item build for a loss than looking deeper. A lot of the disdain for the "cancer" build I feel comes from times where it didn't work at all. I think it was Tabbzz actually that went it once or twice and did horribly with it. Creaton is the only one I've actually seen make it work out.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
July 07 2013 15:24 GMT
#674
On July 08 2013 00:20 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:09 Dan HH wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:02 Lysanias wrote:
If the trend it correct, this will be Deficio's last week in LCS.

They cannot replace Deficio. Bjergsen and Deficio are locked in to the NiP roster. LCS rules won't allow either of them to get benched.

Are you sure? iirc the players said the roster lock happens in August

Like I said above, "lock" is probably the wrong word to use here. NiP can bench Deficio for another Dane but not for an entirely new Support. :3

How does nationality play into this? Looks like I missed something last time I read info about how rosters work.

Alternate's play makes me really appreciate champs like Lissandra and Hecarim, if only because of how they can force brutal teamfights with their initiation. Though maybe I should blame it on EU/NA relying a bunch on Varus for their own hard engages. :3

Nationality doesn't matter. I say "Dane(s)" because NiP's old roster and current sub are all Danish. But basically LCS rules prevents you from entirely replacing the # of players on your roster and you have 3 max subs. I don't know the exact rules but afaik, benching TheTess, Sven and GodBro means NiP can't replace anyone else of the old active roster.
ModeratorFor the Glory that is TeamLiquid (-9 | 155) | Discord: NeoIllusions#1984
JALbert
Profile Joined March 2011
United States484 Posts
July 07 2013 15:26 GMT
#675
On July 08 2013 00:24 NeoIllusions wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:20 Alaric wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:12 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:09 Dan HH wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:02 Lysanias wrote:
If the trend it correct, this will be Deficio's last week in LCS.

They cannot replace Deficio. Bjergsen and Deficio are locked in to the NiP roster. LCS rules won't allow either of them to get benched.

Are you sure? iirc the players said the roster lock happens in August

Like I said above, "lock" is probably the wrong word to use here. NiP can bench Deficio for another Dane but not for an entirely new Support. :3

How does nationality play into this? Looks like I missed something last time I read info about how rosters work.

Alternate's play makes me really appreciate champs like Lissandra and Hecarim, if only because of how they can force brutal teamfights with their initiation. Though maybe I should blame it on EU/NA relying a bunch on Varus for their own hard engages. :3

Nationality doesn't matter. I say "Dane(s)" because NiP's old roster and current sub are all Danish. But basically LCS rules prevents you from entirely replacing the # of players on your roster and you have 3 max subs. I don't know the exact rules but afaik, benching TheTess, Sven and GodBro means NiP can't replace anyone else of the old active roster.


So also if they have someone sick they're running on zero subs? That sounds... awkward.
Stealing Nashor Podcast - http://stealingnashor.libsyn.com | Stupid build enthusiast
XaCez
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden6991 Posts
July 07 2013 15:26 GMT
#676
EG bans Jarvan, Snoopeh's most common Jungler this season.
People get too easily offended by people getting too easily offended by the word rape.
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 15:28:07
July 07 2013 15:26 GMT
#677
On July 08 2013 00:24 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:14 AsnSensation wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 AsnSensation wrote:
can people stop calling creaton's SoteL into botrk cancer build? instead just watch the best ezreal player in both LCS EU&NA and learn.

Channel your disdain to wei2coolman. XD


I've given up on telling him to stop bashing EU Ad Carries.

Honestly people should actually go in game and test those things before judging it too hard. While I won't agree with Genja's tear-bt-muramana-lw build, I've played a decent amount of Ashe games (~10) and I can definitely appreciate the tear which allows me to always have Q toggled on, spam volleys forever and not having to care if I will have enough mana for Arrow if I use volley here. (I'm building double Doran's + Tear into standard IE PD etc with lifesteal quints)

Pros will have their reasons for certain builds, and as long as it works and brings in results (aTn & Gambit currently #1 & #2) why question it too much.

EG vs SK, Battle for last place.

I'm with you.

There are situations where I cringe and cannot accept (Double's Omen buy against double/triple(?) AP) but for the most part, Creaton's Ez build and Genja's Ashe build makes sense and the pros make it work. Your average joe probably can't make it work and it most certainly work in solo q.


I guess at a glance it's easier to blame a weird item build for a loss than looking deeper. A lot of the disdain for the "cancer" build I feel comes from times where it didn't work at all. I think it was Tabbzz actually that went it once or twice and did horribly with it. Creaton is the only one I've actually seen make it work out.

The EU ADC being bad comments become a problem because it turns into a hyperbole. I still believe it's their weakest role, but often times that evolves into "god EU ADCs are trash and shouldn't even be in the LCS"
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
July 07 2013 15:27 GMT
#678
Wickd lost zac and malph? Well this is gonna be interesting.
Glorious SEA doto
skykh
Profile Joined September 2012
3006 Posts
July 07 2013 15:27 GMT
#679
On July 08 2013 00:26 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 00:24 Numy wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:17 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:14 AsnSensation wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:05 NeoIllusions wrote:
On July 08 2013 00:04 AsnSensation wrote:
can people stop calling creaton's SoteL into botrk cancer build? instead just watch the best ezreal player in both LCS EU&NA and learn.

Channel your disdain to wei2coolman. XD


I've given up on telling him to stop bashing EU Ad Carries.

Honestly people should actually go in game and test those things before judging it too hard. While I won't agree with Genja's tear-bt-muramana-lw build, I've played a decent amount of Ashe games (~10) and I can definitely appreciate the tear which allows me to always have Q toggled on, spam volleys forever and not having to care if I will have enough mana for Arrow if I use volley here. (I'm building double Doran's + Tear into standard IE PD etc with lifesteal quints)

Pros will have their reasons for certain builds, and as long as it works and brings in results (aTn & Gambit currently #1 & #2) why question it too much.

EG vs SK, Battle for last place.

I'm with you.

There are situations where I cringe and cannot accept (Double's Omen buy against double/triple(?) AP) but for the most part, Creaton's Ez build and Genja's Ashe build makes sense and the pros make it work. Your average joe probably can't make it work and it most certainly work in solo q.


I guess at a glance it's easier to blame a weird item build for a loss than looking deeper. A lot of the disdain for the "cancer" build I feel comes from times where it didn't work at all. I think it was Tabbzz actually that went it once or twice and did horribly with it. Creaton is the only one I've actually seen make it work out.

The ADC being terrible comments becomes a problem because it turns into a hyperbole. I still believe it's their weakest role, but often times that evolves into "god EU ADCs are trash and shouldn't even be in the LCS"



I dont see how na ad carry's are better then eu except doublelift.
Nytefish
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United Kingdom4282 Posts
July 07 2013 15:28 GMT
#680
krepo's leona is good at baiting into death
No I'm never serious.
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