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[OGN] Hotsix The Champions Summer 2013 - Page 254

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
August 27 2013 20:10 GMT
#5061
On August 28 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 04:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 28 2013 04:12 Aphasie wrote:
Hmmm. After watching this seasons OGN i find that I really can't watch the LCS any more. After following professional BW since 2001/2 and a couple of years of SC2, you get so accustomed to absolute crisp execution, flawless strategy and so on. When I try to watch the EU LCS now, I just see so many sub-optimal plays (in my newb understanding of this game that is) that I really cant finish a game any more. For instance I tried to watch gamescom G1 of GMB vs. EG today. GMB had dual globals (shen + karth) and a lee sin that is an amazing gap closer, and still there was only one ult (defensive shen ult) in the first 13 minutes of the game. Watching it feels like so much potential going to waste and so few "free" advantages unused when you compare it to the 5-6 best korean teams. The strategy of pick/ban and making the team comp work for you, just seems like something they can only do properly in korea.

Clearly, it isnt as black and white as this, but I just feel the difference in understanding and level of play makes the EU/NA so unappealing.

Anyone else experiencing the same "problem"?

It's like college vs pro. There's still plenty to like about college football/basketball, even when technically pros are playing at a higher level.

It's about passion!

...and the throws...

Well you watch LPL for the throws, and the Sona ulti's.
liftlift > tsm
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 27 2013 20:29 GMT
#5062
On August 28 2013 05:10 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 28 2013 04:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 28 2013 04:12 Aphasie wrote:
Hmmm. After watching this seasons OGN i find that I really can't watch the LCS any more. After following professional BW since 2001/2 and a couple of years of SC2, you get so accustomed to absolute crisp execution, flawless strategy and so on. When I try to watch the EU LCS now, I just see so many sub-optimal plays (in my newb understanding of this game that is) that I really cant finish a game any more. For instance I tried to watch gamescom G1 of GMB vs. EG today. GMB had dual globals (shen + karth) and a lee sin that is an amazing gap closer, and still there was only one ult (defensive shen ult) in the first 13 minutes of the game. Watching it feels like so much potential going to waste and so few "free" advantages unused when you compare it to the 5-6 best korean teams. The strategy of pick/ban and making the team comp work for you, just seems like something they can only do properly in korea.

Clearly, it isnt as black and white as this, but I just feel the difference in understanding and level of play makes the EU/NA so unappealing.

Anyone else experiencing the same "problem"?

It's like college vs pro. There's still plenty to like about college football/basketball, even when technically pros are playing at a higher level.

It's about passion!

...and the throws...

Well you watch LPL for the throws, and the Sona ulti's.

Glorious battle cries.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
pixelate
Profile Joined August 2013
United States180 Posts
August 28 2013 00:02 GMT
#5063
On August 28 2013 05:04 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 04:57 wei2coolman wrote:
On August 28 2013 04:12 Aphasie wrote:
Hmmm. After watching this seasons OGN i find that I really can't watch the LCS any more. After following professional BW since 2001/2 and a couple of years of SC2, you get so accustomed to absolute crisp execution, flawless strategy and so on. When I try to watch the EU LCS now, I just see so many sub-optimal plays (in my newb understanding of this game that is) that I really cant finish a game any more. For instance I tried to watch gamescom G1 of GMB vs. EG today. GMB had dual globals (shen + karth) and a lee sin that is an amazing gap closer, and still there was only one ult (defensive shen ult) in the first 13 minutes of the game. Watching it feels like so much potential going to waste and so few "free" advantages unused when you compare it to the 5-6 best korean teams. The strategy of pick/ban and making the team comp work for you, just seems like something they can only do properly in korea.

Clearly, it isnt as black and white as this, but I just feel the difference in understanding and level of play makes the EU/NA so unappealing.

Anyone else experiencing the same "problem"?

It's like college vs pro. There's still plenty to like about college football/basketball, even when technically pros are playing at a higher level.

It's about passion!

...and the throws...

I think lots of misplays/bad calls occur in both LCS and OGN, but NA/EU teams aren't nearly as good as capitalizing on their opponents' mistakes. Many times they won't even recognize that they had an opportunity to take control of the game. LCS games often feature both teams making tons of mistakes until mid/late-game while Korean teams will really snowball off of a single fight/objective. This was pretty apparent in the SKT/Ozone semifinal, g1 a single bad dragon contest without ults basically cost SKT the game, and g2 a good condemn for an early ace lost it for Ozone. Neither region is playing anywhere near optimally currently, but OGN teams sure know how to seize small advantages and close out games much better.
miicah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2470 Posts
August 28 2013 00:18 GMT
#5064
3rd/4th game tonight, any predictions?
@miicah88
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
August 28 2013 00:22 GMT
#5065
On August 28 2013 09:18 miicah wrote:
3rd/4th game tonight, any predictions?


Theres a match tonight?

Boy, that sure would've been nice to know but the OP hasn't updated.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
August 28 2013 00:37 GMT
#5066
On August 28 2013 09:18 miicah wrote:
3rd/4th game tonight, any predictions?

Dandy/Dade/Homme take shy/cloudtemplar/rapidstar (Or GBM) behind the shed and make them cry.
Glorious SEA doto
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
August 28 2013 01:14 GMT
#5067
Shamelessly stolen from Reddit:
[image loading]
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
August 28 2013 02:10 GMT
#5068
On August 28 2013 10:14 Gahlo wrote:
Shamelessly stolen from Reddit:
[image loading]


This is so clean and nice. Thanks for linking it, and thanks to whoever made it.
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
August 28 2013 02:36 GMT
#5069
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~
Writer:o
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
August 28 2013 02:38 GMT
#5070
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
August 28 2013 02:42 GMT
#5071
On August 28 2013 11:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw

ew. disgusting KT fan.

SKT is best KT k thx
Writer:o
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
August 28 2013 02:46 GMT
#5072
On August 28 2013 11:42 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 11:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw

ew. disgusting KT fan.

SKT is best KT k thx


QFT.

Also they have Faker.
Porouscloud - NA LoL
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 02:48:49
August 28 2013 02:48 GMT
#5073
On August 28 2013 11:42 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 11:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw

ew. disgusting KT fan.

SKT is best KT k thx

In my defense my allegiance is based solely on the LoL team, I have no SC background lol.
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
August 28 2013 03:36 GMT
#5074
On August 28 2013 11:48 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 11:42 Kiett wrote:
On August 28 2013 11:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw

ew. disgusting KT fan.

SKT is best KT k thx

In my defense my allegiance is based solely on the LoL team, I have no SC background lol.

The important thing is that you aren't rooting for eSports Yankees.
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
August 28 2013 05:51 GMT
#5075
When is the finals happening?
Woo Jung Ho
GTPGlitch
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
5061 Posts
August 28 2013 05:57 GMT
#5076
On August 28 2013 11:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw


moar like KT Babo

go frost go =)
Jo Byung Se #1 fan | CJ_Rush(reborn) fan | Liquid'Jinro(ret) fan | Liquid'Taeja fan | oGsTheSuperNada fan | Iris[gm](ret) fan |
Gexs
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia214 Posts
August 28 2013 06:34 GMT
#5077
Scenario 4 would be ideal. 3 is quite okay as-well.
In GodLife we trust.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 06:47:04
August 28 2013 06:43 GMT
#5078
On August 28 2013 11:42 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 11:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw

ew. disgusting KT fan.

SKT is best KT k thx


MY MAN! Btw I really crave for having team signatures on here
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
August 28 2013 07:07 GMT
#5079
On August 28 2013 14:57 GTPGlitch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 28 2013 11:38 onlywonderboy wrote:
On August 28 2013 11:36 Kiett wrote:
scenario 4 pls ;_;

frost hwaiting~

You get out, KT B ftw


moar like KT Babo

go frost go =)

I've got some bad news...
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-28 07:08:01
August 28 2013 07:07 GMT
#5080
On August 28 2013 14:51 iLoveKT wrote:
When is the finals happening?


Finals are on August 31, and start one hour earlier. Which basically translates to the opening ceremony will take more than an hour, and so they will be right on track for the game starting at or around the same time.
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