Bloody hell i'll miss atleast half of friday's matches
2pm on a friday, fml why did i ever get a job.
Insane matches though. The lower ranked teams looked very good last week with there play even when they lost. Should be alot of fun, and a full weekend :D
From looking at the matches Wolves actually has a decent shot at taking 4th (not that it means much in theory but it's still cool to be in the top half of the bracket) - There's a good chance EG will only win against aAa this week and if Wolves can beat DB, Giants and EG (this is obviously the important one) they're still allowed to drop 1 game against either Fnatic or Gambit and I think they'll win based on head-to-head record?
On April 19 2013 21:39 Lylat wrote: Nono with the big plays ! Also, spirit of the elder lizard op on adc :p
Rightclicking, pressing E and using Barrier for no reason is not that big of a play.
I'd say that 6/0/9 against a Zed and a fed Lux is pretty damn impressive
Against snoopeh and Krepo missing everything, not really. He simply has to use his abilities, since EG initiators are doing terribly. Also, noone is even trying to peel for yellowpete. Krepo just goes in, misses his ult and dies.
This is so painful to watch as an EG-fan :/ you can see they want to but they just cant seem to deal with anything thats out of the ordinary (ezreal build and top xin)
That was such a bad game by snoopeh and krepo.... They have enough cc to lock down ezreal twice, and dont manage to do it a single time in the entire game... Doesn't matter if Ez doesn't have the same amount of damage as Mf if he is alive for the entire fight and mf dies every single time.
after looking at the replay, they managed to do it once in the last fight, where on the flipside wicked was completly out of position and froggen missed everything he had.
EG's team comp was too much burst damage and too little sustain damage. Nono built very well and Froggen didn't have enough to kill him again and again.
Feel bad for Froggen though, he had a great performance.
On April 19 2013 22:14 Antyee wrote: Krepo hit 0 people with his ult again. Or rather -1. Snoopeh didnt do anything either. Well played by aaa I guess.
Krepo hit Ezrael with his ult the last fight. aaa was nicely spread out, he could not hit much more. But yeah overall it was a bad game by him. And there seemed to be no coordination between the Leona and Nautilus ults. Snoopeh looked useless in the fights.
On April 19 2013 22:14 Antyee wrote: Krepo hit 0 people with his ult again. Or rather -1. Snoopeh didnt do anything either. Well played by aaa I guess.
Krepo hit Ezrael with his ult the last fight. aaa was nicely spread out, he could not hit much more. But yeah overall it was a bad game by him. And there seemed to be no coordination between the Leona and Nautilus ults. Snoopeh looked useless in the fights.
On April 19 2013 22:14 Antyee wrote: Krepo hit 0 people with his ult again. Or rather -1. Snoopeh didnt do anything either. Well played by aaa I guess.
Krepo hit Ezrael with his ult the last fight. aaa was nicely spread out, he could not hit much more. But yeah overall it was a bad game by him. And there seemed to be no coordination between the Leona and Nautilus ults. Snoopeh looked useless in the fights.
They picked Naut for the midgame, but since aAa had so much zonecontrol it was never going to happen
On April 19 2013 22:10 Redox wrote: Froogen disregarding cdr again. And Snoopeh steals his blue.
At the time Froggen might not have needed blue -> Morellonomicon+Elixir for CDR, Seraph's for mana. The DFG buy was strange though
morellos passive is very underrated vs Xin, and especially vs a ez with that build where his tankyness gives him a shitload of effective health.
^post above, Naut is bad lategame: news to me (I disagree) the fact that both junglers still had mobiles after they had been fighting for 10 straight min was far more egregious to me.
On April 19 2013 22:10 Redox wrote: Froogen disregarding cdr again. And Snoopeh steals his blue.
At the time Froggen might not have needed blue -> Morellonomicon+Elixir for CDR, Seraph's for mana. The DFG buy was strange though
morellos passive is very underrated vs Xin, and especially vs a ez with that build where his tankyness gives him a shitload of effective health.
^post above, Naut is bad lategame: news to me (I disagree) the fact that both junglers still had mobiles after they had been fighting for 10 straight min was far more egregious to me.
explain me where they find the gold to switch boots when they no longer farm and neither team was going to get a lot of global gold.
On April 19 2013 22:10 Redox wrote: Froogen disregarding cdr again. And Snoopeh steals his blue.
At the time Froggen might not have needed blue -> Morellonomicon+Elixir for CDR, Seraph's for mana. The DFG buy was strange though
morellos passive is very underrated vs Xin, and especially vs a ez with that build where his tankyness gives him a shitload of effective health.
^post above, Naut is bad lategame: news to me (I disagree) the fact that both junglers still had mobiles after they had been fighting for 10 straight min was far more egregious to me.
explain me where they find the gold to switch boots when they no longer farm and neither team was going to get a lot of global gold.
aAa took dragon after one teamfight, EG took baron after another, assist gold + objective + mobile sell should be close to enough unless he had literally 0 gold on him when he died.
On April 19 2013 22:10 Redox wrote: Froogen disregarding cdr again. And Snoopeh steals his blue.
At the time Froggen might not have needed blue -> Morellonomicon+Elixir for CDR, Seraph's for mana. The DFG buy was strange though
morellos passive is very underrated vs Xin, and especially vs a ez with that build where his tankyness gives him a shitload of effective health.
^post above, Naut is bad lategame: news to me (I disagree) the fact that both junglers still had mobiles after they had been fighting for 10 straight min was far more egregious to me.
explain me where they find the gold to switch boots when they no longer farm and neither team was going to get a lot of global gold.
aAa took dragon after one teamfight, EG took baron after another, assist gold + objective + mobile sell should be close to enough unless he had literally 0 gold on him when he died.
you can get wards/red pot + an oracle for that price, which is waaaaaaaaaay more useful imo. I think virtua had an enchant on his boots too.
On April 19 2013 22:10 Redox wrote: Froogen disregarding cdr again. And Snoopeh steals his blue.
At the time Froggen might not have needed blue -> Morellonomicon+Elixir for CDR, Seraph's for mana. The DFG buy was strange though
morellos passive is very underrated vs Xin, and especially vs a ez with that build where his tankyness gives him a shitload of effective health.
^post above, Naut is bad lategame: news to me (I disagree) the fact that both junglers still had mobiles after they had been fighting for 10 straight min was far more egregious to me.
explain me where they find the gold to switch boots when they no longer farm and neither team was going to get a lot of global gold.
aAa took dragon after one teamfight, EG took baron after another, assist gold + objective + mobile sell should be close to enough unless he had literally 0 gold on him when he died.
you can get wards/red pot + an oracle for that price, which is waaaaaaaaaay more useful imo. I think virtua had an enchant on his boots too.
aAa had 3 auto attack dpsers a red pot is NOT more effective health than tabi (also froggen was item capped and had oracles for like the last 10 min)
I'm not always right but I'm not wrong on this. vs. this teamcomp you could say mobiles were a bad choice to begin with and on that I could agree, but at this point I would put a high value on them.
v1rtual it's a lot harder to criticize, he had jungle hand so he didn't need mercs for lux, and he won lol, and EG didn't really even have an auto attack dps since they have MF, I still like tabi here, but it's not as gross as it was on snoopeh.
as far as v1rtual it's hard to crtiticize the winner
On April 19 2013 22:10 Redox wrote: Froogen disregarding cdr again. And Snoopeh steals his blue.
At the time Froggen might not have needed blue -> Morellonomicon+Elixir for CDR, Seraph's for mana. The DFG buy was strange though
morellos passive is very underrated vs Xin, and especially vs a ez with that build where his tankyness gives him a shitload of effective health.
^post above, Naut is bad lategame: news to me (I disagree) the fact that both junglers still had mobiles after they had been fighting for 10 straight min was far more egregious to me.
explain me where they find the gold to switch boots when they no longer farm and neither team was going to get a lot of global gold.
aAa took dragon after one teamfight, EG took baron after another, assist gold + objective + mobile sell should be close to enough unless he had literally 0 gold on him when he died.
you can get wards/red pot + an oracle for that price, which is waaaaaaaaaay more useful imo. I think virtua had an enchant on his boots too.
Also both junglers had spirit of the ancient golem if I remember correctly so they didn't need mercs. Buying towards a new armor item (Jarvan got randuin's omen) makes more sense than selling mobility boots for tabis in my opinion.
On April 19 2013 22:10 Redox wrote: Froogen disregarding cdr again. And Snoopeh steals his blue.
At the time Froggen might not have needed blue -> Morellonomicon+Elixir for CDR, Seraph's for mana. The DFG buy was strange though
morellos passive is very underrated vs Xin, and especially vs a ez with that build where his tankyness gives him a shitload of effective health.
^post above, Naut is bad lategame: news to me (I disagree) the fact that both junglers still had mobiles after they had been fighting for 10 straight min was far more egregious to me.
explain me where they find the gold to switch boots when they no longer farm and neither team was going to get a lot of global gold.
aAa took dragon after one teamfight, EG took baron after another, assist gold + objective + mobile sell should be close to enough unless he had literally 0 gold on him when he died.
you can get wards/red pot + an oracle for that price, which is waaaaaaaaaay more useful imo. I think virtua had an enchant on his boots too.
it was virtua who picked up a red, ofc on nauti it's not worth it. And it's not like they were focusing snoopeh lol, he died after his carries.
aAa had 3 auto attack dpsers a red pot is NOT more effective health than tabi
I'm not always right but I'm not wrong on this.
virtua picked the red pot, not snoopeh who died after his 2 carries in the last fight so tabi wouldn't have be useful.
tabi vs. a 3 auto attack team? not useful? pls, his bad positioning does not make my logic bad. even swifties would have been better so that he can't get frozen fist kited to oblivion, mobiles were the one boot choice that would have been completely useless, changing your boots 2 is one of the cheapest ways to improve your stats, I feel like I'm being argued with just to argue.
On April 19 2013 22:44 Slusher wrote: tabi vs. a 3 auto attack team? not useful? pls, his bad positioning does not make my logic bad. even swifties would have been better so that he can't get frozen fist kited to oblivion, mobiles were the one boot choice that would have been completely useless, changing your boots 2 is one of the cheapest ways to improve your stats, I feel like I'm being argued with just to argue.
how did keeping mobiles help him?
by buying something else. 3 aa that don't attack you because you don't threaten them don't make tabi useful.
On April 19 2013 22:44 Slusher wrote: tabi vs. a 3 auto attack team? not useful? pls, his bad positioning does not make my logic bad. even swifties would have been better so that he can't get frozen fist kited to oblivion, mobiles were the one boot choice that would have been completely useless, changing your boots 2 is one of the cheapest ways to improve your stats, I feel like I'm being argued with just to argue.
how did keeping mobiles help him?
by buying something else. 3 aa that don't attack you because you don't threaten them don't make tabi useful.
what did he buy that helped him?
probably wards and an oracle. you can't read it seems since it's what i mentionned earlier. And j4 finished his randuin but I understand that for your unbreakable logic it's worst than tabi.
froggen AND Krepo had oracle so tabi/swits would have been mroe useful. look I cannot agree with you on this so w/e something we can probly agree on is (spoilers) it really didn't have much to do with why the were losing the fights where Froggen didn't gib 3/4 people instantly, and thats because of team comp.
MF is a really bad pick vs a team that built so tanky and the only person he ult is really a threat too wants to die, I know some people might say it's because Nautilus sucks, which with MF vs Fist build Ezreal I agree, but not specific to Nautilus himself.
I don't think Zed top did them any favors either, really honestly having an adc that can buy a glacial and not have it suck blew EGs entire teamcomp to shreads.
I already admitted that I was wrong on Jarvan's account since he had fist/eg had a 0 aa teamcomp, pls read yourself lol it's not that fast of a thread that edits are invisible.
Drake stolen, but the two kills keep the gold gap the same. Bleh. Why not use the lantern rather than waste shen ult? And then they stumble and Shusei gets caught. :/
Aaaaand a tower. Nope, def better outcome for SK.
YamaCannon uses Acceleration Gate while they run... to shoot a boosted Shock Blast. So Shusei doesn't get the speed boost and has to flash. Wut.
man SK is actually really good, like their top and bot are so solid, and I like the way hyqbot has been playing. I don't like Oce but his TF last week was pretty slick and this was a good game for him albeit against DB, I just think this team could be #1 really easily if Oce played like he did vs. Gambit, vs teams like Gambit consistently.
I might have to turn in my Oce hater card, the rest of his team is too likeable. (gambit still #1 in my heart tho)
On April 19 2013 23:18 Slusher wrote: man SK is actually really good, like their top and bot are so solid, and I like the way hyqbot has been playing. I don't like Oce but his TF last week was pretty slick and this was a good game for him albeit against DB, I just think this team could be #1 really easily if Oce played like he did vs. Gambit, vs teams like Gambit consistently.
I might have to turn in my Oce hater card, the rest of his team is too likeable. (gambit still #1 in my heart tho)
I dont hate on Oce anymore since he lost all that money with the own3d.tv bankruptcy and started to prioritize competetive play with his team instead of streaming.
Hahaha so fucking cheesy "We are the EU all star team".
And Yellowpete is there like "we can't underestimate the american all star team" and Edward don't give a fuck. "They are not that good, I'm not really affraid"... lolz.
On a different note, I'd say Korea has the worst all-star selection out of all regions. It's like they voted purely for charisma instead of current form.
I'm surprised that Exter went back, there. As Karthus wasn't his goal to die in the middle of aAa? Or did he hope to survive Shlaya and come back later?
So... yeah. You don't take a fight by piling everybody on Shen against an AoE team. ._. Looks grim for Fnatic at this rate.
I'm still surprised at Mundo's ruby sightstone, especially considering how he actually hasn't dropped down so many wards—maybe I expected too much in terms of vision from it though.
Oh, no Shen/Varus ult for the next drake. Go go Fnatic! Instead of initiating on Shen yet again.
On April 20 2013 01:20 Alaric wrote: That's a bunch of ults down, though Monsoon is back up now. And Chains of Corruption too. And... Stand United, actually.
AND now they engage on dragon. asfdaszfgasgasagadg Fnatic, wtf are you doing?
"3 critical ults down? Na, let's just push mid with no hope to take the tower. They have their ults back up? GOGOGO LET'S FIGHT"
Just... wtf. After yesterday's Dig vs Curse this is so disappointing. :/
They didn't want to engage, they wanted to prevent SK from doing drake. But Yellowstar got caught by varus' ult.
On April 20 2013 01:20 Alaric wrote: That's a bunch of ults down, though Monsoon is back up now. And Chains of Corruption too. And... Stand United, actually.
AND now they engage on dragon. asfdaszfgasgasagadg Fnatic, wtf are you doing?
"3 critical ults down? Na, let's just push mid with no hope to take the tower. They have their ults back up? GOGOGO LET'S FIGHT"
Just... wtf. After yesterday's Dig vs Curse this is so disappointing. :/
True that. US showing where it's at. Glory days of European league are at an end, EG being the most crushing example.
On April 20 2013 01:20 Alaric wrote: That's a bunch of ults down, though Monsoon is back up now. And Chains of Corruption too. And... Stand United, actually.
AND now they engage on dragon. asfdaszfgasgasagadg Fnatic, wtf are you doing?
"3 critical ults down? Na, let's just push mid with no hope to take the tower. They have their ults back up? GOGOGO LET'S FIGHT"
Just... wtf. After yesterday's Dig vs Curse this is so disappointing. :/
True that. US showing where it's at. Glory days of European league are at an end, EG being the most crushing example.
I don't want to be too hard on you but CLG.na is 4th place in NA LCS, and won a lot against Curse.
On April 20 2013 01:20 Alaric wrote: That's a bunch of ults down, though Monsoon is back up now. And Chains of Corruption too. And... Stand United, actually.
AND now they engage on dragon. asfdaszfgasgasagadg Fnatic, wtf are you doing?
"3 critical ults down? Na, let's just push mid with no hope to take the tower. They have their ults back up? GOGOGO LET'S FIGHT"
Just... wtf. After yesterday's Dig vs Curse this is so disappointing. :/
True that. US showing where it's at. Glory days of European league are at an end, EG being the most crushing example.
I don't want to be too hard on you but CLG.na is 4th place in NA LCS, and won a lot against Curse.
On April 20 2013 01:26 Lylat wrote: Kevin and CandyPanda(+/- Nyph) carrying the team hard once again, is it enough though ? Looks like Oce wants to throw ^^
Well, Oce got caught, but I don't see the reason why the rest of the team engage... You know, having one guy getting caught happen a lot in all games, the problem is that all SK followed by engaging on mundo / urgot / blitzcrank, who are all too tanky, and couldn't do anything before the other fnatic member comes back.
I'm all for blaming Ocelot, but it's not entirely its fault.
So I heard tanking the nexus towers doesn't work too well... Welp, too greedy from Fnatic, true that SK was pretty low though.
What has marked me so far however, is how assertive Xpeke is when it comes to sieging towers. I've seen a bunch of Caitlyn in LCS (mainly NA) want to play it so safe that they never take a single shot at the inhib towers during a whole siege, and here he is with Ezreal, stacking his passive on allies then firing away. Gotta say it works.
On April 20 2013 01:20 Alaric wrote: That's a bunch of ults down, though Monsoon is back up now. And Chains of Corruption too. And... Stand United, actually.
AND now they engage on dragon. asfdaszfgasgasagadg Fnatic, wtf are you doing?
"3 critical ults down? Na, let's just push mid with no hope to take the tower. They have their ults back up? GOGOGO LET'S FIGHT"
Just... wtf. After yesterday's Dig vs Curse this is so disappointing. :/
True that. US showing where it's at. Glory days of European league are at an end, EG being the most crushing example.
Na. I loved those plays in the game I'm talking about, but Dignitas level in general is too inconsistent. Sure, Marn, recent compLexity and Vulcun are stronger than DB and Giants, but the top of EU is still way ahead of the top of NA.
On April 20 2013 01:35 Jamial wrote: Ezreal's E. The single most broken ability in the entire game. God I hate that champion.
Well he kinda has perma blue buff, too...
Doesn't matter at all. The skill in itself is broken regardless of that 20% CDR. It's the fact that it ignores CC.
Most of them do. Ez just happens to have the easier timing to work with.
In other news, YellowStar's positioning is subpar. nRated grabs, on the other hand...
On April 20 2013 01:37 nafta wrote: Xpeke doesn't seem to understand that bork isn't enough for atk speed and just ie for crit doesn't really do much damage lategame.And he is ez ><.
I'd say perma-50% from his passive isn't exactly bad. But he's kinda short on crit yeah, on the other hand they seem to want to drag the fights out rather than pile on SK with huge dps (I'm pretty sure sOAZ's damage is actually super significant in the actual kills).
On April 20 2013 01:45 Gorsameth wrote: Ocelot got an ult on 3-4 people and health bars didnt move... Such a big difference from what Froggen showed earlier.
When I saw the fight I actually thought "They don't even care, they're willingly face-tanking it". More Fnatic letting him hit them it seems.
Nautilus is such a cool champion, so sad that he didn't see any play for over 1/2 year because of all those nerfs, he seems to be semi viable again with the recent buffs.
On April 20 2013 03:08 wei2coolman wrote: the real question is, does fnatic even give a fuck?
reminds me of the KT B team in champions winter, when they ran that Riven/J4 bot with Fiddle jungle that led to one of the most hilarious games all season.
EG needs to figure something out soon. At least they're doing better than CLG's "we're going to play the old meta and hope DoubleLift can carry us", since they're trying to adapt to the new meta, but they just... can't for some reason.
Mobility is a bonus (fuck the slows, dodge the ult), pushing power a must so that you can shove and roam and make Nunu a sad yeti, plus you need some way to cs from afar or outtrade him super hard (100-0 rather than poke, Riven's good for that, Darius... not). Kha'Zix should be pretty good if he can manage to reach 6 without too much trouble, because of evolved W. Sustain is good. But Yorick loses to Nunu.
On April 20 2013 03:44 BrownBear wrote: EG needs to figure something out soon. At least they're doing better than CLG's "we're going to play the old meta and hope DoubleLift can carry us", since they're trying to adapt to the new meta, but they just... can't for some reason.
It's not about the meta.They are just playing really bad.The meta is just an excuse.Their mechanics which carried em in s2 are nothing special at all now and froggen can't solo carry while wickd gets camped.
Man that Gambit vs Giants came is so cool. Also mobis nautilus as goofy as he's deadly. If Giants overcame their zealous dives (giving 500 gold to Diamond at the top inhib tower, then Kha'Zix suiciding near Gambit's red instead of doing drake) they could be so much more ahead. They're behind 500 gold actually, at the 25 minutes mark.
Damn that Nashor attempt. Giants could have cc'd Diamond and burst down the baron, too bad. Man, it's always little details that go against Giants so far, the stuff that makes me hope they manage to stay in the LCS and sort out those shortcomings because their picks and playstyle are usually pretty cool (well except for MF).
Yeah at this point it's obvious that Giants will lose. They're probably the team I like the most out of EU LCS because of what they could be accomplishing (contrary to Fnatic and Gambit who are already performing), I really wish they can straighten themselves.
Hosan definitely doesn't impress on Varus. Nice moves by Shushei and Bjergsen there, but DB is very, very uncoordinated (and, as already mentioned, Hosan is borderline useless)
Edit: As soon as I type this, Bjergsen suicides for no reason. zzz
That was really bad by Bjergsen. Gave up killing spree for a single kill and also lost them mid turret which they could have gotten if Bjergsen didn't suicide. They also could have stopped this dragon attempt if he still had his ult left. First rather large mistake this game.
GG CW I'm glad they're doing that well ! On another note I think DB was better when Spontexx was in the team, I feel bad for Shushei and Hosan because I kind of like them.. :/
On April 20 2013 22:05 Lylat wrote: GG CW I'm glad they're doing that well ! On another note I think DB was better when Spontexx was in the team, I feel bad for Shushei and Hosan because I kind of like them.. :/
Did Shushei not remove them himself ? if so not sure why you would wanne feel bad.
On April 20 2013 22:05 Lylat wrote: GG CW I'm glad they're doing that well ! On another note I think DB was better when Spontexx was in the team, I feel bad for Shushei and Hosan because I kind of like them.. :/
Did Shushei not remove them himself ? if so not sure why you would wanne feel bad.
I feel bad because they will be kicked out of LCS with those poor results
On April 20 2013 22:05 Lylat wrote: GG CW I'm glad they're doing that well ! On another note I think DB was better when Spontexx was in the team, I feel bad for Shushei and Hosan because I kind of like them.. :/
Did Shushei not remove them himself ? if so not sure why you would wanne feel bad.
I feel bad because they will be kicked out of LCS with those poor results
Fair enough, i would call it a risk that pay'd off poorly by Shushei's own fault.
On April 20 2013 22:28 Fusilero wrote: Nasus vs volibear zzzzz -_-
Remember how Diamondprox brought those 2 first and everyone was like "omg wat? so excited!" ?
Once I got over the whole "holy shit new junglers this is so cool" I have realised that they are hands down the two most boring and uninteresting junglers ever.
On April 20 2013 22:28 Fusilero wrote: Nasus vs volibear zzzzz -_-
Remember how Diamondprox brought those 2 first and everyone was like "omg wat? so excited!" ?
It's like when Dig went took the protect the Kog comp to the next level with 3 supports and mundo. At the start of the tournament people were "omg excited" but just by the MIDDLE people were already complaining about how OP it was and how Dig wouldn't play anything else. Except it's far more understandable because this is weeks of nasus/volibear rather than days.
On April 20 2013 22:28 Fusilero wrote: Nasus vs volibear zzzzz -_-
Remember how Diamondprox brought those 2 first and everyone was like "omg wat? so excited!" ?
It's like when Dig went took the protect the Kog comp to the next level with 3 supports and mundo. At the start of the tournament people were "omg excited" but just by the MIDDLE people were already complaining about how OP it was and how Dig wouldn't play anything else. Except it's far more understandable because this is weeks of nasus/volibear rather than days.
I saw a 4k HP Mundo man up, ult and walk alone in the entire enemy team and tanking them through heals and shields while they couldn't even get upset about Kog because of that big green man right in their faces. I loved it all the way. (Then the specific strat was target banned.)
On April 20 2013 22:28 Fusilero wrote: Nasus vs volibear zzzzz -_-
Remember how Diamondprox brought those 2 first and everyone was like "omg wat? so excited!" ?
Once I got over the whole "holy shit new junglers this is so cool" I have realised that they are hands down the two most boring and uninteresting junglers ever.
On April 20 2013 23:58 Lysanias wrote: Raped vs a 75% Gambit. Let's be honest they did not take this serieus at all.
Man wtf happened to dragonborns, at the very least they were respectable them and giants somehow went downhill over the course of this lcs while other teams like complexity, ggu or wolves got better and better I'll be surprised if they survive the relegation matches against any team let alone MYM
On April 21 2013 00:03 AsnSensation wrote: Snoopeh won't shave his weirdass chinstrap until they beat Gambit? I guess he'll end up looking like gandalf in a few years then.
I think that is also what Diamond believed haha, love his blunt honesty.
On April 20 2013 23:58 Lysanias wrote: Raped vs a 75% Gambit. Let's be honest they did not take this serieus at all.
Yeah it was of no importance at all for DB. They are already out. Good for the teams that stll have to play them.
Seriously, there should always be an incentive for teams to win games, no matter what. I think there should be a reward for every game won. Like 1000 € or something. Or maybe even more and replace the players salary with this.
On April 20 2013 23:58 Lysanias wrote: Raped vs a 75% Gambit. Let's be honest they did not take this serieus at all.
Yeah it was of no importance at all for DB. They are already out. Good for the teams that stll have to play them.
Seriously, there should always be an incentive for teams to win games, no matter what. I think there should be a reward for every game won. Like 1000 € or something. Or maybe even more and replace the players salary with this.
it's the same thing in the end as long as the guaranteed salary is high enough.
On April 20 2013 23:58 Lysanias wrote: Raped vs a 75% Gambit. Let's be honest they did not take this serieus at all.
Yeah it was of no importance at all for DB. They are already out. Good for the teams that stll have to play them.
Seriously, there should always be an incentive for teams to win games, no matter what. I think there should be a reward for every game won. Like 1000 € or something. Or maybe even more and replace the players salary with this.
I liked how NASL attached a little bit of extra money on top of every match during the regular season, even when out there were still incentives to try the hardest every match.
On April 20 2013 23:58 Lysanias wrote: Raped vs a 75% Gambit. Let's be honest they did not take this serieus at all.
Man wtf happened to dragonborns, at the very least they were respectable them and giants somehow went downhill over the course of this lcs while other teams like complexity, ggu or wolves got better and better I'll be surprised if they survive the relegation matches against any team let alone MYM
Ever sinds those roster changes things got just weird, good players being swapped over by let's be honest players that are not of the LCS level. They lack a coach and structure like Fnatic/SK etc etc, and more important they lack a guy who got balls and calls the shots in the teamfights.
On April 20 2013 23:58 Lysanias wrote: Raped vs a 75% Gambit. Let's be honest they did not take this serieus at all.
Yeah it was of no importance at all for DB. They are already out. Good for the teams that stll have to play them.
Seriously, there should always be an incentive for teams to win games, no matter what. I think there should be a reward for every game won. Like 1000 € or something. Or maybe even more and replace the players salary with this.
I liked how NASL attached a little bit of extra money on top of every match during the regular season, even when out there were still incentives to try the hardest every match.
I know, I suggested this in a NASL thread before they had it. Next season they introduced it, and I like to think that was due to my input. :D
On April 21 2013 00:11 sung_moon wrote: Sorry for the ignorance, but do all Belgiums have such good english?
I couldn't even tell Sjokz was European besides her name. So Q.
Important to note her first language is Flemish (a dialect of Dutch). These surely speak a better English than French Belgians. I think her Flemish accent is quite easy to hear though.
I don't think any player has improved as much as svernsken in the lcs. I remember at dreamhack his maokai was just snoopeh/froggen's bitch all match like he was 0/6 or something and now he's been bossing it up since bjergsen came on.
On April 21 2013 00:33 Fusilero wrote: I don't think any player has improved as much as svernsken in the lcs. I remember at dreamhack his maokai was just snoopeh/froggen's bitch all match like he was 0/6 or something and now he's been bossing it up since bjergsen came on.
Generally he has always been regarded as a great player in EU though. Him and Morden are probably the most underrated junglers. They are number 2 and 3 in Europe after Diamond I think.
On April 21 2013 00:33 Fusilero wrote: I don't think any player has improved as much as svernsken in the lcs. I remember at dreamhack his maokai was just snoopeh/froggen's bitch all match like he was 0/6 or something and now he's been bossing it up since bjergsen came on.
Generally he has always been regarded as a great player in EU though. Him and Morden are probably the most underrated junglers. They are number 2 and 3 in Europe after Diamond I think.
hyrq not in your top 3? SK changed 100 players but the best thing they ever did was bring him in to replace Araneae.
On April 21 2013 00:33 Fusilero wrote: I don't think any player has improved as much as svernsken in the lcs. I remember at dreamhack his maokai was just snoopeh/froggen's bitch all match like he was 0/6 or something and now he's been bossing it up since bjergsen came on.
Generally he has always been regarded as a great player in EU though. Him and Morden are probably the most underrated junglers. They are number 2 and 3 in Europe after Diamond I think.
hyrq not in your top 3? SK changed 100 players but the best thing they ever did was bring him in to replace Araneae.
Let's be honest anyone over aranae was the best thing they ever did.
Samux isn't playing too well, but this game also perfectly shows why Jax is rarely ever played if you can get stuff like Kha'Zix
Edit: I should jinx stuff more often. Samux with the random 1v2 double-kill. Point still stands, though - Jax has a little tankiness and a fairly avoidable AoE stun over Kha'Zix, and suffers in basically every other regard
On April 21 2013 00:42 DragoonTT wrote: Samux isn't playing too well, but this game also perfectly shows why Jax is rarely ever played if you can get stuff like Kha'Zix
Edit: I should jinx stuff more often. Samux with the random 1v2 double-kill
Samux is playing the best Jax we have seen so far in LCS, i would not call that playing not to well. He's utterly shutting down Kha'zix not an easy thing to do.
Jimbz ported back even though Giants had good reason to believe CW was baroning (dunno if the Recall finished before Exter popped his ultimate). So sad to play Giants so weakly.. had them as my dark horse for this season, but they couldn't keep up their form from the qualifiers. Typical Giants inconsistency, I guess
On April 21 2013 00:42 DragoonTT wrote: Samux isn't playing too well, but this game also perfectly shows why Jax is rarely ever played if you can get stuff like Kha'Zix
Edit: I should jinx stuff more often. Samux with the random 1v2 double-kill
Samux is playing the best Jax we have seen so far in LCS, i would not call that playing not to well. He's utterly shutting down Kha'zix not an easy thing to do.
From watching that I actually had the imression that Jax counters Khazix.
On April 21 2013 00:42 DragoonTT wrote: Samux isn't playing too well, but this game also perfectly shows why Jax is rarely ever played if you can get stuff like Kha'Zix
Edit: I should jinx stuff more often. Samux with the random 1v2 double-kill
Samux is playing the best Jax we have seen so far in LCS, i would not call that playing not to well. He's utterly shutting down Kha'zix not an easy thing to do.
From watching that I actually had the imression that Jax counters Khazix.
He counters Kha'Zix in lane after a certain level to the extent that both farm and no-one can really kill the other without support and Jax will demolish the lane once Kha'Zix leaves to roam. However, Kha'Zix is far better in the teamfighting phase and lategame unless Jax gets obscenely fed
On April 21 2013 01:01 Shikyo wrote: Also darn, Svenskeren so awesome like 5th game in a row. I cannot comprehend people voting for someone like Snoopeh over him.
Maybe if he made a joke which got boring quickly and now every caster runs it into the ground he'd be in.
On April 21 2013 01:01 Shikyo wrote: Also darn, Svenskeren so awesome like 5th game in a row. I cannot comprehend people voting for someone like Snoopeh over him.
Maybe if he made a joke which got boring quickly and now every caster runs it into the ground he'd be in.
Yeah same can be said about candy panda, damn good AD, yet not populair, that's what matters in the end.
Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
Of course they didn't seem to be prepared for Syndra bluebuff control either, quite apparent they had like never practiced against Syndra.
Bjergsen overall played decent but he missed many many kills, stuns and escapes simply because he only used Q to hit his opponents instead of just using them on the ground.
On April 21 2013 01:02 Redox wrote: Damn that was spectacular. At this point its very likely that Wolves will send EG to the relegation match. EG will have to fight hard to stay in LCS.
That would be against the winner of Samurai In Jeans vs Anexis, the up & downs in EU are gonna be really interesting.
So it appears that dragonborns will get the winner of MYM vs Dexter is actually evil. Bar MYM screwing themselves it's probably lights out of dragonborns when MYM get to them.
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
Of course they didn't seem to be prepared for Syndra bluebuff control either, quite apparent they had like never practiced against Syndra.
Bjergsen overall played decent but he missed many many kills, stuns and escapes simply because he only used Q to hit his opponents instead of just using them on the ground.
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
Of course they didn't seem to be prepared for Syndra bluebuff control either, quite apparent they had like never practiced against Syndra.
Bjergsen overall played decent but he missed many many kills, stuns and escapes simply because he only used Q to hit his opponents instead of just using them on the ground.
here we go, shikyo teaching bjergsen how to play syndra properly. obviously, this bjergsen guy doesnt know how to play this champ at all.
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
Of course they didn't seem to be prepared for Syndra bluebuff control either, quite apparent they had like never practiced against Syndra.
Bjergsen overall played decent but he missed many many kills, stuns and escapes simply because he only used Q to hit his opponents instead of just using them on the ground.
You are the king of hipsters.
Sure. Still, he for example missed a stun because he saved his Q cooldown instead of using it for a second orb to quad the stun width. Also when they were escaping after getting baron he could have made a wall with Qs to deter the opponents or scatter stun them all, instead he just did nothing despite having no mana problems.
Also I'm a perfectionist and love criticizing everything(about myself as well).
Also I'm quite positive that these indeed would have been better plays and that his play had plenty of room for improvement. One should never be content with how well he does if his play has obvious holes, no matter how good.
Ah one more thing that caught my eye, he often used lower sphere count ultimates than was necessary. I guess this goes hand to hand with him only using spheres on champions instead of the ground.
On April 21 2013 01:02 Redox wrote: Damn that was spectacular. At this point its very likely that Wolves will send EG to the relegation match. EG will have to fight hard to stay in LCS.
That would be against the winner of Samurai In Jeans vs Anexis, the up & downs in EU are gonna be really interesting.
Yeah I guess NA up & downs will be boring, while EU will be damn close.
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
Of course they didn't seem to be prepared for Syndra bluebuff control either, quite apparent they had like never practiced against Syndra.
Bjergsen overall played decent but he missed many many kills, stuns and escapes simply because he only used Q to hit his opponents instead of just using them on the ground.
You are the king of hipsters.
Sure. Still, he for example missed a stun because he saved his Q cooldown instead of using it for a second orb to quad the stun width. Also when they were escaping after getting baron he could have made a wall with Qs to deter the opponents or scatter stun them all, instead he just did nothing despite having no mana problems.
Also I'm a perfectionist and love criticizing everything(about myself as well).
He didn't played perfectly for sure, but he was dominating his lane in the LCS eu against a good opponent - he was a little more than "decent".
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
Of course they didn't seem to be prepared for Syndra bluebuff control either, quite apparent they had like never practiced against Syndra.
Bjergsen overall played decent but he missed many many kills, stuns and escapes simply because he only used Q to hit his opponents instead of just using them on the ground.
that is true for any long range champion against a significantly shorter range one without distance closer. you gank them or you farm out the lane as good as possible. problem was svenskeren's counterpressure on the lane and the brutal bluebuff denial. exter didn't really pull off any good ultimates too, so he never came back out of that hole.
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
Of course they didn't seem to be prepared for Syndra bluebuff control either, quite apparent they had like never practiced against Syndra.
Bjergsen overall played decent but he missed many many kills, stuns and escapes simply because he only used Q to hit his opponents instead of just using them on the ground.
You are the king of hipsters.
Sure. Still, he for example missed a stun because he saved his Q cooldown instead of using it for a second orb to quad the stun width. Also when they were escaping after getting baron he could have made a wall with Qs to deter the opponents or scatter stun them all, instead he just did nothing despite having no mana problems.
Also I'm a perfectionist and love criticizing everything(about myself as well).
He didn't played perfectly for sure, but he was dominating his lane in the LCS eu against a good opponent - he was a little more than "decent".
Also, I have no sound anymore, is it normal ?
Keep in mind that Syndra >>>>> TF and the TF clearly had no Syndra experience(because of the reasons I already mentioned - you never get hit by max range single orb stun, that's a guaranteed death from full even at 1500 range if Syndra has ult but it's easy to dodge)
Also feel free to disagree or disregard what I say, I just say these things for the sake of myself
Well, I got to say that I expect gambit to stomp EG but if they go for something totally strange and funky they might pay for that.
By the way, Krepo KDA is incredibly low for support, I've noticed that support almost always has one of the highest KDAs in the team and his KDA below 3 is just unbelievably low for a support.
On April 21 2013 00:42 DragoonTT wrote: Samux isn't playing too well, but this game also perfectly shows why Jax is rarely ever played if you can get stuff like Kha'Zix
Edit: I should jinx stuff more often. Samux with the random 1v2 double-kill. Point still stands, though - Jax has a little tankiness and a fairly avoidable AoE stun over Kha'Zix, and suffers in basically every other regard
Should still take into account that Kha'Zix is pretty ridiculous even after the nerfs he got, while Jax has actual weaknesses even post-6 to cover up for his great late game scaling. Also swap meta screwing over champs like him and Irelia pretty hard (not only they aren't good at it, but their 1v2 itemisation is vastly different from their 1v1, while Kha'Zix basically has a cookie-cutter build, identical from game to game).
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
So forcing TF to free farm and miss a bit of timing when ulting, while being unable to roam without him instaclearing a wave then ulting is countering TF? It's not like she has kill potential on him unless she can somehow flash and hit her stun before he flashes himself, there are way stronger champs against him, and he'll always be safe as hell with Wild Cards.
On April 21 2013 00:42 DragoonTT wrote: Samux isn't playing too well, but this game also perfectly shows why Jax is rarely ever played if you can get stuff like Kha'Zix
Edit: I should jinx stuff more often. Samux with the random 1v2 double-kill. Point still stands, though - Jax has a little tankiness and a fairly avoidable AoE stun over Kha'Zix, and suffers in basically every other regard
Should still take into account that Kha'Zix is pretty ridiculous even after the nerfs he got, while Jax has actual weaknesses even post-6 to cover up for his great late game scaling. Also swap meta screwing over champs like him and Irelia pretty hard (not only they aren't good at it, but their 1v2 itemisation is vastly different from their 1v1, while Kha'Zix basically has a cookie-cutter build, identical from game to game).
On April 21 2013 01:05 Shikyo wrote: Btw I believe that Syndra >>>>> Twisted Fate solomid. It's one of the hardest TF counters in the entire game in my opinion. Still, he didn't play against Syndra properly, you need to stand out of W range(950) and you cannot get hit by max range stuns. So basically you need to get mana regen and spam wild cards.
So forcing TF to free farm and miss a bit of timing when ulting, while being unable to roam without him instaclearing a wave then ulting is countering TF? It's not like she has kill potential on him unless she can somehow flash and hit her stun before he flashes himself, there are way stronger champs against him, and he'll always be safe as hell with Wild Cards.
If Syndra lands a W(a sphere W, not a minion one) it's a 100% death(or flash but Syndra can 6 orb ult ignite with flash after) and W has 1100+ range with AoE.
On April 21 2013 01:26 AsnSensation wrote: funny how Gambit doesn't give a fuck about froggen respect bans and other teams also stopped banning his lux and anivia
That's Nunu's laning in a nutshell, though. "Look at all the fucks I give." Gotta love it. :')
Going 2v1 vs froggen Anivia was a bad idea. He handles this easily, while darien has way more problems. Wickd deals with Nunu decently by just farming from the distance.
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
On April 21 2013 02:08 Shikyo wrote: I guess this game shows that Nunu solo isn't actually all that good(and I really don't think Darien can get away with a build like that in this game).
On April 21 2013 02:07 Alaric wrote: They tried. But too late. They need an oracle more than anything I'd say, but now it's too late EG has the baron.
On April 21 2013 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
In tower sieges you can coordinate with your team to give you a minion to eat before they instaclear. You can't afford to aggro baron in baron dances 'cause baron is just so strong.
On April 21 2013 02:08 Shikyo wrote: I guess this game shows that Nunu solo isn't actually all that good(and I really don't think Darien can get away with a build like that in this game).
On April 21 2013 02:07 Alaric wrote: They tried. But too late. They need an oracle more than anything I'd say, but now it's too late EG has the baron.
On April 21 2013 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
more teamcomp than nunu, Jayce and MF don't complement nunu at all.
give me like, kev1n's Irelia or an ad carry that isn't channeling a spell for the first half of a teamfight and lets talk.
On April 21 2013 02:08 Shikyo wrote: I guess this game shows that Nunu solo isn't actually all that good(and I really don't think Darien can get away with a build like that in this game).
Oh and Krepo does the HotshotGG ult.
On April 21 2013 02:07 Alaric wrote: They tried. But too late. They need an oracle more than anything I'd say, but now it's too late EG has the baron.
On April 21 2013 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
more teamcomp than nunu, Jayce and MF don't complement nunu at all.
I think Nunu works well as counterengage to complement Jayce poke. The problem is that Anivia wall catches and ice balls are providing more long-range threat than Jayce because Froggen is a beast
On April 21 2013 02:07 Alaric wrote: They tried. But too late. They need an oracle more than anything I'd say, but now it's too late EG has the baron.
On April 21 2013 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
Because in arranged play your teammates will be so hungry for cs they won't leave a single minion alive nor arrange for a dive to occur at the same time as an enemy minion wave.
And the game is getting really boring. I thought Gambit was being cheeky at first but it's actually just that they either don't want to try, or don't know their timings with Nunu. It's a snoozefest now. :/
As for what the game brings... doesn't the higher seed get blue side for games 1 and 3 of the quarter finals or something?
On April 21 2013 02:08 Shikyo wrote: I guess this game shows that Nunu solo isn't actually all that good(and I really don't think Darien can get away with a build like that in this game).
Oh and Krepo does the HotshotGG ult.
On April 21 2013 02:07 Alaric wrote: They tried. But too late. They need an oracle more than anything I'd say, but now it's too late EG has the baron.
On April 21 2013 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
In tower sieges you can coordinate with your team to give you a minion to eat before they instaclear. You can't afford to aggro baron in baron dances 'cause baron is just so strong.
You're delaying the clear quite a bit if you wait that long ... Either you need to go really far, even past the tower, or you're going to be taking dmg on your tower.
On April 21 2013 02:08 Shikyo wrote: I guess this game shows that Nunu solo isn't actually all that good(and I really don't think Darien can get away with a build like that in this game).
Oh and Krepo does the HotshotGG ult.
On April 21 2013 02:07 Alaric wrote: They tried. But too late. They need an oracle more than anything I'd say, but now it's too late EG has the baron.
On April 21 2013 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
more teamcomp than nunu, Jayce and MF don't complement nunu at all.
I think Nunu works well as counterengage to complement Jayce poke. The problem is that Anivia wall catches and ice balls are providing more long-range threat than Jayce because Froggen is a beast
this is true if they didn't have MF, the combo of both of them really hurts the utility of bloodboil, which even nerfed is a HUGE buff.
also yes Froggen's walls are making this game one sided.
On April 21 2013 02:08 Shikyo wrote: I guess this game shows that Nunu solo isn't actually all that good(and I really don't think Darien can get away with a build like that in this game).
Oh and Krepo does the HotshotGG ult.
On April 21 2013 02:07 Alaric wrote: They tried. But too late. They need an oracle more than anything I'd say, but now it's too late EG has the baron.
On April 21 2013 02:01 Shikyo wrote:
On April 21 2013 02:00 DragoonTT wrote: Gambit doesn't really understand you're supposed to fight in lanes if you run lane Nunu. Consume is ultra useless in Baron dances
Why? Isn't Baron a nice, permanent source of Consumes?
Yeah 'cause aggro and positioning is ideal too.
Well it's about as good as it gets apart from a huge minion wave that somehow doesn't instantly die to your AoE.
more teamcomp than nunu, Jayce and MF don't complement nunu at all.
I think Nunu works well as counterengage to complement Jayce poke. The problem is that Anivia wall catches and ice balls are providing more long-range threat than Jayce because Froggen is a beast
this is true if they didn't have MF, the combo of both of them really hurts the utility of bloodboil, which even nerfed is a HUGE buff.
Agreed, Cait would have fit the comp much better, but I don't think I've seen Genja play her. I feel like Gambit's team comp is torn between poke (Jayce/Nunu) and teamfight aoe (Sona/MF/Eve)
On April 21 2013 02:20 DragoonTT wrote: Conspiracy: Gambit didn't want to win the game, because they'd rather face SK than EG!
Surely you mean they'd rather face SK than Wolves.
You think Wolves will beat EG in a Bo3? I don't, honestly. Once stuff gets really serious, EG will (hopefully) play their best
I think Wolves is terribly overrated right now. Their top and bot lanes are mediocre. Sven is a decent jungler, but has shown weaknesses and EG will probably just ban his strongest champ. Bjergsen is very good, but his aggressiveness shouldn't pay off against Froggen at all.
On April 21 2013 02:20 DragoonTT wrote: Conspiracy: Gambit didn't want to win the game, because they'd rather face SK than EG!
Surely you mean they'd rather face SK than Wolves.
You think Wolves will beat EG in a Bo3? I don't, honestly. Once stuff gets really serious, EG will (hopefully) play their best
It should be a total stomp. Also I really doubt EG's best is better than wolves's. At least jungle and mid are Wolves's and I'd say that EG only has the toplane clearly.
On April 21 2013 02:20 DragoonTT wrote: Conspiracy: Gambit didn't want to win the game, because they'd rather face SK than EG!
Surely you mean they'd rather face SK than Wolves.
You think Wolves will beat EG in a Bo3? I don't, honestly. Once stuff gets really serious, EG will (hopefully) play their best
It should be a total stomp. Also I really doubt EG's best is better than wolves's. At least jungle and mid are Wolves's and I'd say that EG only has the toplane clearly.
I'd say mid is even but svernsken >>>>>>> snoopeh will probably tip it heavily in bjergsen's favour.
Well, maybe we'll see tomorrow, even though there'll probably be nothing on the line. Placing fourth or fifth doesn't really make a difference, while giving away strategies might.
Edit: Now if fnatic plays just as trollish a game as GG, we'll get another shitstorm like yesterday.
On April 21 2013 02:20 DragoonTT wrote: Conspiracy: Gambit didn't want to win the game, because they'd rather face SK than EG!
Surely you mean they'd rather face SK than Wolves.
You think Wolves will beat EG in a Bo3? I don't, honestly. Once stuff gets really serious, EG will (hopefully) play their best
I do but that's besides the point. We were talking about Gambit's POV and Alex made it clear on multiple occasions in the past several weeks that he considers Fnatic and Wolves the only threats in EU.
I think it is because mid and jungle are the most influential lanes for the general flow of the game and Wolves are very strong in those specific positions. For example if a team instead had a very strong toplaner and a support it might not be as scary.
Of course the rest of Wolves isn't exactly terrible either, actually I think many people do underestimate their toplane for example(I still haven't really been impressed by TheTess but he's had a few decent games I guess)
On April 21 2013 02:36 WhiteDog wrote: The FANTASTIC EVIL RUSSIAN
So, Evil refer to evil genius, an american team, and fantastic mean nothing at all (did he meant fanatic ?). It's the EU all star team, not merica.
On April 21 2013 02:37 Shikyo wrote: I think it is because mid and jungle are the most influential lanes for the general flow of the game and Wolves are very strong in those specific positions. For example if a team instead had a very strong toplaner and a support it might not be as scary.
Of course the rest of Wolves isn't exactly terrible either, actually I think many people do underestimate their toplane for example(I still haven't really been impressed by TheTess but he's had a few decent games I guess)
On April 21 2013 02:41 bokchoi wrote: Wolves says they won';t give any globals to fnatic and then don't ban TF or Shen. Wut?
I guess wolves wanted the globals, fnatic takes one of the globals then wolves takes their own to follow it but then kha'zix got first picked so they went "okay we take both"
Really nice to see xPeke Ahri, seen some games of it on his stream and it's really good. Hopefully we're going to see some awesome plays. Really wonder what the last pick for wolves will... Oh Nasus?
I'm a little bit worried about Svenskeren this game. He won't be able to be nearly as impactful early on as he can with Jarvan. I also cannot recall him doing anything super amazing with Nasus... But maybe he'll surprise me.
On April 21 2013 02:57 Shikyo wrote: I'm a little bit worried about Svenskeren this game. He won't be able to be nearly as impactful early on as he can with Jarvan. I also cannot recall him doing anything super amazing with Nasus... But maybe he'll surprise me.
Well, Nasus has no decisions in his kit. You rush in, pop ult, wither the AD carry and then whack people. Really hard champ
Always thought Nasus had a really awesome champion concept with his Q, but he's basically played for insane innate tankiness, Wither and his ridiculous ult damage alone.
Well, the only pb about CW's comp is that they have no 1vs1 potential against ahri, noct and kha zix (tf too squishy, shen deal no damage, nasus will not build damage either). Their comp is superior for team fights, but that's not what fnatic is going for with this comp.
Am I crazy or was not taking top turret early a huge misplay for CW? Would have opened a long lane for TF ganks and it's not like Nocturne ever went top to try and stop them from doing it.
Oh I must have missed that game, went to sleep. Just remember Scarras tf being extremely underwhelming. Anyway tough comparing NA to EU when EU mids are worlds better in general than them.
By the way, from the semifinals onwards the playoffs are just for bragging rights? It's weird that we have so little information so far into the season. Playoffs start next weekend and we have no clue what the hell they're playing for and what the actual structure of S3 is.
yeah all NA lcs TF's are terrible, except for Jacky maybe, he doesn't play too flashy, just solid but at least no derping like scarra link or regi on tf.
On April 21 2013 03:41 Numy wrote: Oh I must have missed that game, went to sleep. Just remember Scarras tf being extremely underwhelming. Anyway tough comparing NA to EU when EU mids are worlds better in general than them.
Yeah, NA Mids ain't got shit on EU Mids, their best position by far.
On April 21 2013 03:42 Dan HH wrote: By the way, from the semifinals onwards the playoffs are just for bragging rights? It's weird that we have so little information so far into the season. Playoffs start next weekend and we have no clue what the hell they're playing for and what the actual structure of S3 is.
$$$
(And we know that since before the LCS qualifiers took place, really.)
On April 21 2013 03:42 Dan HH wrote: By the way, from the semifinals onwards the playoffs are just for bragging rights? It's weird that we have so little information so far into the season. Playoffs start next weekend and we have no clue what the hell they're playing for and what the actual structure of S3 is.
$$$
(And we know that since before the LCS qualifiers took place, really.)
Yeah, these playoffs are just for money/bragging rights, the next set of playoffs are where the real stakes are.
On April 21 2013 03:42 Dan HH wrote: By the way, from the semifinals onwards the playoffs are just for bragging rights? It's weird that we have so little information so far into the season. Playoffs start next weekend and we have no clue what the hell they're playing for and what the actual structure of S3 is.
$$$
(And we know that since before the LCS qualifiers took place, really.)
So how much? What is the price distribution? Is there extra money for a the placement in the league before playoffs (because there should be)?
On April 21 2013 03:42 Dan HH wrote: By the way, from the semifinals onwards the playoffs are just for bragging rights? It's weird that we have so little information so far into the season. Playoffs start next weekend and we have no clue what the hell they're playing for and what the actual structure of S3 is.
$$$
(And we know that since before the LCS qualifiers took place, really.)
I don't see a prize pool on their site, or anywhere for that matter. Guess we'll find out next week but it's nice to have a proper presentation from the very start like the Asian leagues do, instead of a FAQ that vaguely states "prizes".
Ah. Yeah, there isn't a prize distribution that I know of (maybe a number for prize pool on their original announcement of how the LCS works?), but I thought you said "fame" as in "only bragging rights", not including the money. My bad.
Am I the only person who liked the Gambit-EG game? It was great to see Snoopeh and YellowPete playing like their Season 2 peak again, makes me believe they're on the upswing there.
On April 21 2013 03:41 Numy wrote: Oh I must have missed that game, went to sleep. Just remember Scarras tf being extremely underwhelming. Anyway tough comparing NA to EU when EU mids are worlds better in general than them.
Yeah, NA Mids ain't got shit on EU Mids, their best position by far.
I personally believe that NA has way better ADCs though. But yeah, NA gets out classed by EU on every other role not just mid (although I'd argue that saint/Crumbzz and maybe OddOne are at least on par with junglers who aren't DiamondProx).
On April 21 2013 09:23 nosliw wrote: is EU standing all locked in place?
Top 6 is set but standings can still change. Fnatic and Gambit are still tied. Wolves can potentially tie EG depending on how they do tomorrow. SK set for 3rd and aAa set for 6th.
On April 21 2013 03:41 Numy wrote: Oh I must have missed that game, went to sleep. Just remember Scarras tf being extremely underwhelming. Anyway tough comparing NA to EU when EU mids are worlds better in general than them.
Yeah, NA Mids ain't got shit on EU Mids, their best position by far.
I personally believe that NA has way better ADCs though. But yeah, NA gets out classed by EU on every other role not just mid (although I'd argue that saint/Crumbzz and maybe OddOne are at least on par with junglers who aren't DiamondProx).
I'd argue that Svenskeren is also a bit ahead of any NA jungler, but other than that I agree with what you said (I'd only say that NA AD's are slightly ahead of EU AD's except for #DoubleLiftMechanics.
On April 21 2013 03:41 Numy wrote: Oh I must have missed that game, went to sleep. Just remember Scarras tf being extremely underwhelming. Anyway tough comparing NA to EU when EU mids are worlds better in general than them.
Yeah, NA Mids ain't got shit on EU Mids, their best position by far.
I personally believe that NA has way better ADCs though. But yeah, NA gets out classed by EU on every other role not just mid (although I'd argue that saint/Crumbzz and maybe OddOne are at least on par with junglers who aren't DiamondProx).
I'd argue that Svenskeren is also a bit ahead of any NA jungler, but other than that I agree with what you said (I'd only say that NA AD's are slightly ahead of EU AD's except for #DoubleLiftMechanics.
In NA it seems to be all about AD's. in EU it's all about mids.
Not sure if NA has waaay better AD's though. Let them pull some results first.
On April 21 2013 09:23 nosliw wrote: is EU standing all locked in place?
There are two games of particular note to watch tomorrow - CW vs EG and CW vs Gambit. CW vs EG will go a long way to deciding which of those two teams finishes 4th, and Gambit needs to beat CW to stay on top (Fnatic gets to play the bottom two teams so they're highly likely to win out).
On April 21 2013 09:23 nosliw wrote: is EU standing all locked in place?
There are two games of particular note to watch tomorrow - CW vs EG and CW vs Gambit. CW vs EG will go a long way to deciding which of those two teams finishes 4th, and Gambit needs to beat CW to stay on top (Fnatic gets to play the bottom two teams so they're highly likely to win out).
Yeah but we dont know if the teams even care about getting first or second. Maybe there is extra money for that, but we dont know. Also quite possible that the games today are completely meaningless.
Wolves are definitely better than EG after Bjergsen joining the team but I might not put them ahead of SK because of their head to head record (SK 4-0).
On April 21 2013 21:48 kongoline wrote: not sure how i feel about nunu top became a thing, i hate this hero and hope riot notices how retarded his sustain is and nerfs him
If you follow TL, Nunu top is quite a few months old already. He's a beast in lane but fall off quite a bit late game. Not sure why you need to nerf him.
I wonder...where would be the CW if u could just put them in the NA scene.top3? With other words:are they better than dig/curse/tsm? I strongly belive they are miles ahead of the likes of CLG tho ^^
On April 21 2013 21:48 kongoline wrote: not sure how i feel about nunu top became a thing, i hate this hero and hope riot notices how retarded his sustain is and nerfs him
If you follow TL, Nunu top is quite a few months old already. He's a beast in lane but fall off quite a bit late game. Not sure why you need to nerf him.
I dont even know if he falls off that much, of course he is not the lategame beast that some other tops are, but if played correctly you will never have to worry about the falling off that much. Huge AOE movement+ Aspeed slow + Steroid on your carry = very good even if the game drags on a bit.
Its good, hopefully now i can pick up Nunu again without having to listen to those OMG THE GAME IS LOST, TOP TROLLING SO I PICK KARMA WITH REVIVE + TELEPORT JUST FOR LULZ TOO"
On April 21 2013 21:57 pokerface wrote: I wonder...where would be the CW if u could just put them in the NA scene.top3? With other words:are they better than dig/curse/tsm? I strongly belive they are miles ahead of the likes of CLG tho ^^
They are on even footing with fnatic and gambit(At least gambit thinks so) on a good day so most likely towards the top.
On April 21 2013 22:06 Shikyo wrote: Sigh I couldn't watch this earlier and now I'm late... A quick runthrough of the first game? Completely expected or anything worth watching?
Nunu top is funny but besides that typical post spontexx DB, they lost. A lot.
I say Gambit has the better lineup. Genja also on his beastmode champion while Gambit banned Ezreal. I'm sort of surprised about the lack of a hardcounter against Kassadin(counterpicking Zed + Talon is pretty funny).
edit: Oh nunu top even is boring so I guess nothing interesting happened. Luckily I didn't miss this one.
On April 21 2013 22:16 Shikyo wrote: I say Gambit has the better lineup. Genja also on his beastmode champion while Gambit banned Ezreal. I'm sort of surprised about the lack of a hardcounter against Kassadin(counterpicking Zed + Talon is pretty funny).
edit: Oh nunu top even is boring so I guess nothing interesting happened. Luckily I didn't miss this one.
I assume you completely missed the draft phase? Kass was last pick by Gambit and AAA already had mid/top picked
On April 21 2013 22:16 Shikyo wrote: I say Gambit has the better lineup. Genja also on his beastmode champion while Gambit banned Ezreal. I'm sort of surprised about the lack of a hardcounter against Kassadin(counterpicking Zed + Talon is pretty funny).
edit: Oh nunu top even is boring so I guess nothing interesting happened. Luckily I didn't miss this one.
I assume you completely missed the draft phase? Kass was last pick by Gambit and AAA already had mid/top picked
I missed the latter parts of it... So they even wasted the Elise support surprise factor and picked all 3 potential soloes before their last pick which is the pick you use to counter champions like kassadin? In that case they played the draft quite incorrectly.
Darien has been feeding like the last 5 games for Gambit so he's pretty used to that. Kassadin is likely going to be a problem later on in the game though, but for now AAA is looking quite good.
On April 21 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote: I don't get it from aAa, you let a kassadin free farm yet constantly gank Darien.
Kass is really hard to gank with his free Flash. Also letting Kass farm is not the end of the world. Kass rely on small skirmish and roam in early/mid game to get fed, not minions farm. And Alex Ich doesn't have any chance to roam or small skirmish to get kills.
On April 21 2013 22:28 Lysanias wrote: I don't get it from aAa, you let a kassadin free farm yet constantly gank Darien.
kinda too late for ganks on lvl9 kass
Yes they should have focused on Alex instead imo. Rumble's ult is kinda always good, yet a farmed Kassadin is just so much more deadly then a Rumble ever will be.
Then again it's looking good for aAa so far, what am i talking about
On April 21 2013 22:06 Shikyo wrote: Sigh I couldn't watch this earlier and now I'm late... A quick runthrough of the first game? Completely expected or anything worth watching?
Nunu and Nasus did a two-man Baron right at 15 minutes.
And that's why you don't focus on a rumble, Gambit is fine with letting Darien sitting on an island at top, they just get a 4v3 situation everywhere else and do what they do best farm like crazy.
Pretty nice Crescendo, prevents Karthus from getting in range while Virtu4l then ShlaYa get killed. (Also MF only knocked-up as her ult is over, Naut's animations slow ).
Depth Charge's projectile does not path around terrain. Depth Charge's projectile will fizzle if the initial target moves a great distance with recall or uses Teleport.
aAa has nothing to pin down Kass and Sona just prevent Karthus from setting up his position in team fight. Should have focus on Kass pre-6 or switch your duo lane back bot to face Kass. Let Kass 1v1 with Karthus with no jungle help is just silly.
Depth Charge's projectile does not path around terrain. Depth Charge's projectile will fizzle if the initial target moves a great distance with recall or uses Teleport.
I'm pretty sure Kassadin didn't recall or teleport, now did he?
Depth Charge's projectile does not path around terrain. Depth Charge's projectile will fizzle if the initial target moves a great distance with recall or uses Teleport.
I'm pretty sure Kassadin didn't recall or teleport, now did he?
Depth Charge's projectile does not path around terrain. Depth Charge's projectile will fizzle if the initial target moves a great distance with recall or uses Teleport.
I'm pretty sure Kassadin didn't recall or teleport, now did he?
He did riftwalk.
Yes, that's not a teleport nor a recall. As I said, the animation didn't finish because he went out of the line of sight so quickly. This you would have found out by reading the post that Alaric quoted.
Max range depth charge catches you even if you riftwalk and flash for example, you can't get away from it with just things like that.
Depth Charge's projectile does not path around terrain. Depth Charge's projectile will fizzle if the initial target moves a great distance with recall or uses Teleport.
I'm pretty sure Kassadin didn't recall or teleport, now did he?
Riftwalk from a max range Depth Charge. You can't Flash Depth Charge, but we're talking about 700 range here, not 400. Could also be a loss of vision, but it's a spell cancellation, not animation: the spell goes on cd and the projectile starts doing its stuff on the ground, then when it's cancelled the projectile disappears and the cooldown is refunded (same as what I talked about in the exemple, which means you can just ult Akali or Vlad again once they're out of pool/stealth).
(I don't think you can cancel the animation on Depth Charge: it's slow, but it has more wind-down than wind-up. Staggering Blow, however, is super easy to cancel. You have no excuse when you get rooted after a flash, because of all the time you had to flash during the cancellable frames. Generally just having a bit more MS than Nautilus, which is normal considering he has the lowest base, is enough if he tries to auto from max range.)
On April 21 2013 22:57 Cuddle wrote: Nono seems to have so much positive energy and joy radiating from him whenever you see him on screen. Always a joke and a smile.
#mancrush
Also known to resort to extreme flaming from time to time. :D No idea how this goes together.
On April 21 2013 23:47 Zdrastochye wrote: WHY DOES NOBODY BAN RUMBLE VS SK?!
Spirit Visage on Varus, interesting.
rumble got nerfed hard -> useless of course~
Only like 56% win solo queue and... well yeah, in my opinion he's like top 3 of the strongest champions in the entire game and Kevin's a specialist. Still, I'm actually more impressed by Herculesbot Mantheon
On April 22 2013 00:05 Shikyo wrote: It really is kind of boring watching SK play. It's as if they cannot really initiate / close out games / press advantage properly.
Haha and as I say that ocelote channels his inner Reginald.
Oce is playing quite solidly after having his midgame shut down so hard. 9/10 TFs won't be as useful as he's made himself after failing that hard early on.
Twisted Fate passive has given SK around 3000 extra gold throughout this game. Kind of interesting... So they'd normally somehow only be 7k gold ahead at this point of the game.
On April 22 2013 00:05 Shikyo wrote: It really is kind of boring watching SK play. It's as if they cannot really initiate / close out games / press advantage properly.
Haha and as I say that ocelote channels his inner Reginald.
And as you say that they engage perfectly.
Nah that was far after I said that. Still kind of interesting how Giants got so destroyed with Baron. I guess they got overconfident despite a significant gold disadvantage.
How did Ocelote get stunned by that despite facing away??
RuhRoh Bjergsen got caught and cost them the dragon and some dmg on the middle turret as well. Now EG has a gold advantage, though that's caused by the TF passive.
Could someone tell me what happened last game? I totally missed out. What was so special/great about Pantheon, what was his role, n which items did he build?
By the way, back when I said that that one TF player didn't know how to play vs Syndra, Froggen's playing this alot better. Even though he got hit by one stun he's farming from a distance and playing passive, just like he should. Still Bjergsen seriously should not be losing in minions because he can deny at least a little bit ... I guess it's because of the movement, though.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
CW weren't all together. Bjergsen got slowed by rumble harpoon from the fog, then wither and leona ult (or e I forgot) forced him to zhonya. CW rushed towards syndra while froggen ulted behind them and 100-0'd varus instantly.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Sven should have helped with the vision control, he was 3-0 very early and had the gold. Deficio simply could not get close to the river in the laning phase and they got screwed twice there because of it.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
I missed too much of how EG climbed back up because of the lag, which is why I said I'm commenting on the end game. Which is kinda what happened: somebody on CW getting caught while they are pressured because Shen can't deal with TF, rinse and repeat. And wether EG does well or not doesn't change much wrt the fact that Bullet Time is still retarded for an AD carry ult.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
I missed too much of how EG climbed back up because of the lag, which is why I said I'm commenting on the end game. Which is kinda what happened: somebody on CW getting caught while they are pressured because Shen can't deal with TF, rinse and repeat. And wether EG does well or not doesn't change much wrt the fact that Bullet Time is still retarded for an AD carry ult.
Ok I kind of agree. I also have to watch the VOD later because of the stream problems. TF is imo even more retarded than MF. As sad as it is, Riot will have to do something about him. Like more cd on ult, less range.
Froggen played that really well on TF I felt. Was always where he needed to be. I do feel Rumble is a bit ridic with that ulti range at how well it does zone control on any objective.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
I missed too much of how EG climbed back up because of the lag, which is why I said I'm commenting on the end game. Which is kinda what happened: somebody on CW getting caught while they are pressured because Shen can't deal with TF, rinse and repeat. And wether EG does well or not doesn't change much wrt the fact that Bullet Time is still retarded for an AD carry ult.
Well bullet time is a joke of an ability but mf is garbage in 1v1 so it's kind of fair i think. I still think it was well played by both. CW did what they could but ultimately they couldn't surpress TF.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
I missed too much of how EG climbed back up because of the lag, which is why I said I'm commenting on the end game. Which is kinda what happened: somebody on CW getting caught while they are pressured because Shen can't deal with TF, rinse and repeat. And wether EG does well or not doesn't change much wrt the fact that Bullet Time is still retarded for an AD carry ult.
Well bullet time is a joke of an ability but mf is garbage in 1v1 so it's kind of fair i think. I still think it was well played by both. CW did what they could but ultimately they couldn't surpress TF.
On April 22 2013 01:44 Dan HH wrote: So the last 2 matches will be completely meaningless. I guess it could be worse, *cough* GPL *cough*.
Well this game is not any less important than the other ones we have seen today.
That's why I said the last 2 and not the following 2. Fnatic vs Giants & Gambit vs Wolves still matter for 1st place but the rest can't change anything.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
I missed too much of how EG climbed back up because of the lag, which is why I said I'm commenting on the end game. Which is kinda what happened: somebody on CW getting caught while they are pressured because Shen can't deal with TF, rinse and repeat. And wether EG does well or not doesn't change much wrt the fact that Bullet Time is still retarded for an AD carry ult.
Well bullet time is a joke of an ability but mf is garbage in 1v1 so it's kind of fair i think. I still think it was well played by both. CW did what they could but ultimately they couldn't surpress TF.
is she? AS steroid, aa reset, good base stats
Add in the passive on her W which is pretty strong early on (stronger than Varus' on-hit from the 2nd hit onward) and the Grieving Wounds on the active to reduce enemy sustain. She doesn't have any skillshot to get outplayed and at early levels Make It Rain base damage is super high (it's one of the highest non-ult AoE base damage in the game). She became popular before the ult change when people realised how much of a bully she is in lane because she's so strong at straight-up fighting (and way easier to play than Graves who also ate nerfs).
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
I missed too much of how EG climbed back up because of the lag, which is why I said I'm commenting on the end game. Which is kinda what happened: somebody on CW getting caught while they are pressured because Shen can't deal with TF, rinse and repeat. And wether EG does well or not doesn't change much wrt the fact that Bullet Time is still retarded for an AD carry ult.
Well bullet time is a joke of an ability but mf is garbage in 1v1 so it's kind of fair i think. I still think it was well played by both. CW did what they could but ultimately they couldn't surpress TF.
MF garbage in 1v1? Is this a joke or something? MF regularly beats more fed ADCs in 1v1s all day I've made the mistake of trying to 1v1 a MF with less items than myself way too many times.
On April 22 2013 01:26 bokchoi wrote: i dont know what happened, the stream went down for a good bit and now eg's winning
TF can push all he wants because Shen has no pushing nor sticking power, MF is a joke of a champion, Bjergsen loves to get caught and bait his team into bad fights. End game in a nutshell.
Yeah lets avoid anything that might imply that EG somehow did well.
I missed too much of how EG climbed back up because of the lag, which is why I said I'm commenting on the end game. Which is kinda what happened: somebody on CW getting caught while they are pressured because Shen can't deal with TF, rinse and repeat. And wether EG does well or not doesn't change much wrt the fact that Bullet Time is still retarded for an AD carry ult.
Well bullet time is a joke of an ability but mf is garbage in 1v1 so it's kind of fair i think. I still think it was well played by both. CW did what they could but ultimately they couldn't surpress TF.
MF garbage in 1v1? Is this a joke or something? MF regularly beats more fed ADCs in 1v1s all day I've made the mistake of trying to 1v1 a MF with less items than myself way too many times.
The heal reduction pretty much makes it pretty easy for her to win 1v1's with BT first ADC's.
On April 22 2013 02:34 Cuddle wrote: Why isn't peke allstar mid again?
He didn't play his best last week, while Alex got his Penta kill. In the end it was really close i don't think we should feel bad with Alex as mid either lol.
On April 22 2013 03:35 Caphe wrote: How can Zed kill a very tanky Crocodile that fast? Can anyone familar with Zed explain the skill order to me?
OP.He just uses the extra shadows REALLY well.Pretty much always he hits 2x q/e.
That means he use his W shadow and his R shadow to hit Darien? That means 3x q/e if you count 2 shadows and Zed himself? Did i get it right?
Well yah but he saves w to chase so mostly double I think.
Thanks!
Also, that was a beautiful team fight right there from CW. TheTess is godlike with his ulti. I think it is the first time I see a Varus hitting that much ult in one game.
So many people on reddit complaining about Bjerg just 1v1ing Darien on Renek. Like, it's not as if Bjerg had Cleaver, LW AND BotRK against a Sunfire/Warmogs Renek so he was basically dealing true damage + % based damage from Blade so it's no wonder Darien got wrecked 1 vs 1.
But no, just claim Zed's op... He needs a nerf but come on, the items are what worked well with his kit to just blow Darien up.
Thank you Wolves for picking it up when Curse left me disappointed after the Super Week. If they had Bjergsen for the first couple weeks they'd be 4th place no doubt.
On April 22 2013 03:53 Lysanias wrote: Off all teams in the LCS it seems non have practiced so hard as CW, there teamwork has improved massive leaps and so have there mechanics.
Well played.
no they just got bjergsen on their team they didnt win a single game without him
On April 22 2013 03:53 Lysanias wrote: Off all teams in the LCS it seems non have practiced so hard as CW, there teamwork has improved massive leaps and so have there mechanics.
Well played.
no they just got bjergsen on their team they didnt win a single game without him
Tbh Svenskeren improved a lot, but yeah other than that it's mostly just due to Bjergsen being able to join their team after 0-8 or 0-9..
Edit: Their teamwork obviously also got better, but they always had really good teamwork when playing around Bjergsen.
On April 22 2013 03:53 Lysanias wrote: Off all teams in the LCS it seems non have practiced so hard as CW, there teamwork has improved massive leaps and so have there mechanics.
Well played.
no they just got bjergsen on their team they didnt win a single game without him
They are still playing better than when he wasn't on the team. Bjerg carries hard, but as individual players they've improved a lot as well, especailly Sven and GodBro.
Bjerg is their star but the rest of their team is far from bad. I saw Sven hit Rupture after Rupture and GodBro have clutch flips all game long. I mean CW games are mostly the Bjerg Show, but I think everyone is taking a lot away from the team as a whole.
On April 22 2013 03:53 Lysanias wrote: Off all teams in the LCS it seems non have practiced so hard as CW, there teamwork has improved massive leaps and so have there mechanics.
Well played.
no they just got bjergsen on their team they didnt win a single game without him
Tbh Svenskeren improved a lot, but yeah other than that it's mostly just due to Bjergsen being able to join their team after 0-8 or 0-9..
Edit: Their teamwork obviously also got better, but they always had really good teamwork when playing around Bjergsen.
Hmm, many people failed to realize, Bjergsen is the long term member of CW. He just can't play before he turns 17. So its natural for CW to play better with him back on the team. Tbh, CW was a very good team before LCS already, but people just didn't know them.
I feel bad that I laughed when the twitch chat called NeeGodBro, "NeedNeckBro" ^^
very wp by CW, I'm certain that they have a good shot to get 3rd next season, just very unfortunate that they also had the most scheduled games out of all teams during the first few weeks Bjergsen couldn't play.
On April 22 2013 03:53 Lysanias wrote: Off all teams in the LCS it seems non have practiced so hard as CW, there teamwork has improved massive leaps and so have there mechanics.
Well played.
no they just got bjergsen on their team they didnt win a single game without him
Tbh Svenskeren improved a lot, but yeah other than that it's mostly just due to Bjergsen being able to join their team after 0-8 or 0-9..
Edit: Their teamwork obviously also got better, but they always had really good teamwork when playing around Bjergsen.
Hmm, many people failed to realize, Bjergsen is the long term member of CW. He just can't play before he turns 17. So its natural for CW to play better with him back on the team. Tbh, CW was a very good team before LCS already, but people just didn't know them.
Thor Open baby, that was my first TL LoL write-up and I was signing the praises of CW hard, along with Asmo we decided they were easily the team to watch. Been a fan ever since.
It could help that Bjergsen takes of a lot of pressure from the rest as well, at least if they don't perform well under pressure. As it is now everyone expects Bjergsen to play out of his mind every game and he obviously gives no fucks about the pressure.
TBH the wolves are the most complete team in LCS, which is why they're performing so well. They don't have a deadweight player who needs to be carried, each of them can fill their role and potentially carry the game.
On April 22 2013 04:13 BrownBear wrote: TBH the wolves are the most complete team in LCS, which is why they're performing so well. They don't have a deadweight player who needs to be carried, each of them can fill their role and potentially carry the game.
Eh, TheTess has his derpy moments >_>
He did feed Gambit the first two kills and put them in a hole the rest of the team had to carry them out of ha. Did better in the late game though, cleaned up that last fight well. Maybe it's just his laning that is suspect.
On April 22 2013 04:13 BrownBear wrote: TBH the wolves are the most complete team in LCS, which is why they're performing so well. They don't have a deadweight player who needs to be carried, each of them can fill their role and potentially carry the game.
On April 22 2013 04:13 BrownBear wrote: TBH the wolves are the most complete team in LCS, which is why they're performing so well. They don't have a deadweight player who needs to be carried, each of them can fill their role and potentially carry the game.
On April 22 2013 04:13 BrownBear wrote: TBH the wolves are the most complete team in LCS, which is why they're performing so well. They don't have a deadweight player who needs to be carried, each of them can fill their role and potentially carry the game.
I would have said this about SK.
i would have said that about GG.
Gambit has the disadvantage of needing to fly home 2x a week, if they got a practice house in Germany ... o good lord yes.
On April 22 2013 04:13 BrownBear wrote: TBH the wolves are the most complete team in LCS, which is why they're performing so well. They don't have a deadweight player who needs to be carried, each of them can fill their role and potentially carry the game.
I would have said this about SK.
i would have said that about GG.
I would have said this is one of the teams with the biggest skill disparity within the team.
On April 22 2013 04:13 BrownBear wrote: TBH the wolves are the most complete team in LCS, which is why they're performing so well. They don't have a deadweight player who needs to be carried, each of them can fill their role and potentially carry the game.
I would have said this about SK.
i would have said that about GG.
I would have said this is one of the teams with the biggest skill disparity within the team.
maybe, but only because some of their players are extremly good. not because they have deadweight players. imo they are the most complete team.
On April 22 2013 03:58 JBright wrote: Amazing game from the Wolves. If only they beat EG, they could take 4th place and prove that EU isn't quite split top and bot 4.
Just need to step it up and beat them in the play-offs.
On April 22 2013 03:58 JBright wrote: Amazing game from the Wolves. If only they beat EG, they could take 4th place and prove that EU isn't quite split top and bot 4.
Just need to step it up and beat them in the play-offs.
I'd say finishing within 1 head to head game of a top 4 team proves there isn't some disparity in top4/bot4, especially when you consider the hole that CW started the season in. I guarantee that none of the 'top4' think that CW's 5th seed means they aren't an extremely dangerous team in the playoffs.
On April 22 2013 05:25 BrownBear wrote: Snoopeh breaking out the Malzahar again... wonder if it's going to go better than last time.
The main problem last time was that top and mid were also AP so Gambit could easily itemize against them. Against this comp it wouldn't be efficient at all for SK to get QSS which makes Snoopeh way more useful.
Kind of a bummer EG is gonna face Wolves in the playoffs - both SK and aAa are kinda limping into playoffs where EG and the Wolves are riding hot streaks.
On April 22 2013 07:21 BrownBear wrote: Kind of a bummer EG is gonna face Wolves in the playoffs - both SK and aAa are kinda limping into playoffs where EG and the Wolves are riding hot streaks.
As much as I like EG if we can have a series of 3 games in a row like yesterdays duel I really couldn't care less who wins among them, at least the games will be awesome.
I'm pretty sure that no matter who goes to the challenger tourney they will get through without any problems. Not quite so sure about AAA and Giants and Dragonborns looked pretty bad lately.
On April 22 2013 07:21 BrownBear wrote: Kind of a bummer EG is gonna face Wolves in the playoffs - both SK and aAa are kinda limping into playoffs where EG and the Wolves are riding hot streaks.
As much as I like EG if we can have a series of 3 games in a row like yesterdays duel I really couldn't care less who wins among them, at least the games will be awesome.
I'm pretty sure that no matter who goes to the challenger tourney they will get through without any problems. Not quite so sure about AAA and Giants and Dragonborns looked pretty bad lately.
I think aAa will stay in for the summer (the switch to Dioud has been amazing for them), and Giants might be able to depending on which Giants shows up to the relegation matches. DB is most likely gone, and I couldn't be happier
On April 22 2013 07:21 BrownBear wrote: Kind of a bummer EG is gonna face Wolves in the playoffs - both SK and aAa are kinda limping into playoffs where EG and the Wolves are riding hot streaks.
SK is a hell of a lot more solid than AAA. Just last week they beat GG, and have been playing solid as long as they get their typical picks (Rumble solo, Kayle/TF mid, Varus ad, Lulu/Thresh support Voli/Nasus jungle).
On April 22 2013 03:53 Lysanias wrote: Off all teams in the LCS it seems non have practiced so hard as CW, there teamwork has improved massive leaps and so have there mechanics.
Well played.
no they just got bjergsen on their team they didnt win a single game without him
What a silly thing to say - sorry but thats just not true. Sure they were underperforming without him and with his RETURN (lets not forget that he was a main but had to wait cos of agelimitations) the wolves gotten a much better synergy again. His role and the amount of pressure on him - like 2/3 of all bans are targeted at him leaves the other 4 members so much room to play their play - which might I add - they do amazingly. Yes im a Wolves fan - but crediting Bjergsen to all their success is just too easy.
As someone also mentioned, it's kinda shame that they now have to play EG - seeing how well both teams are doing, but atleast we're guaranteed some epic matches!
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