Unless they fuck up again. Sometimes it's "fuck up", sometimes it's "play as usual" to describe that situation, though. And it'll only be because Curse is having a bye week, so it's not like it's something important, the only "relevant" game for them is against CLG really, a weakened Marn and complexity shouldn't be much for Curse either.
I wonder if CLG's falling is mostly because of the lee sin nerfs, and chauster isn't as good in the jungle as they thought (not that hotshot is any good top, or that chauster isn't a good player).
As a CLG fan, we really need to go 3-0 this week. The lost to GGU was horrible and the only way to make up for it is to roll TSM and Dig (I'm not even bothering to consider a loss vs Vulcun again, I'll lose my shit if they don't win that).
Dig will be hard but we're definitely capable of beating them, and TSM should be EZ.
At least going by my "games back" list, dig can tie for first if they go 3-0.
Edit: and before someone calls me out by figuring win%, etc. games back is a limited stat but its the only one I had handy and I'm too tired to look up the rest.
Wonder if "Duo lane" is going to start replacing "Bot lane" due to all of the lane swaps. Deman kinda mentioned if but I wonder if it will overtake it completely soon enough.
On March 22 2013 05:19 onlywonderboy wrote: Wonder if "Duo lane" is going to start replacing "Bot lane" due to all of the lane swaps. Deman kinda mentioned if but I wonder if it will overtake it completely soon enough.
something needs to, mid is not really a good role name anymore either.
Phreak talking about Xin making it through is due to Europe and Asia popularizing Nasus and not because Xin was slaped hard with nerfs (not saying undeserved but still lol)
On March 22 2013 05:19 onlywonderboy wrote: Wonder if "Duo lane" is going to start replacing "Bot lane" due to all of the lane swaps. Deman kinda mentioned if but I wonder if it will overtake it completely soon enough.
something needs to, mid is not really a good role name anymore either.
On March 22 2013 05:19 onlywonderboy wrote: Wonder if "Duo lane" is going to start replacing "Bot lane" due to all of the lane swaps. Deman kinda mentioned if but I wonder if it will overtake it completely soon enough.
something needs to, mid is not really a good role name anymore either.
On March 22 2013 05:19 onlywonderboy wrote: Wonder if "Duo lane" is going to start replacing "Bot lane" due to all of the lane swaps. Deman kinda mentioned if but I wonder if it will overtake it completely soon enough.
something needs to, mid is not really a good role name anymore either.
the client does not support multiple selection so LoL is unable to have a true pet class a la Brood mother or Lone Druid, they just attack their nearest target or reset and jump to (thus making it the closest) anything she casts q on.
On March 22 2013 05:19 onlywonderboy wrote: Wonder if "Duo lane" is going to start replacing "Bot lane" due to all of the lane swaps. Deman kinda mentioned if but I wonder if it will overtake it completely soon enough.
something needs to, mid is not really a good role name anymore either.
On March 22 2013 05:19 onlywonderboy wrote: Wonder if "Duo lane" is going to start replacing "Bot lane" due to all of the lane swaps. Deman kinda mentioned if but I wonder if it will overtake it completely soon enough.
something needs to, mid is not really a good role name anymore either.
I wonder if the Lucky Pick on Janna is so she can clear more easily, since she seems to often be all alone while Dig roams to pressure elsewhere, like when she was 1v3 mid.
On March 22 2013 05:46 qanik wrote: Why is there no timer on dragon and baron??
They give a countdown as soon as they spawn in less than 2 minutes, so it clutters the screen less but you can still watch how the teams move and plan in anticipation of a respawn.
On March 22 2013 05:50 Antyee wrote: I don't like E max first on Nasus. Wither is too strong and the armordebuff isnt that big of a dealif you have double AP.
e max is that you're actually to clear your jungle and it's nice aoe dmg.
On March 22 2013 05:50 Antyee wrote: I don't like E max first on Nasus. Wither is too strong and the armordebuff isnt that big of a dealif you have double AP.
But it clears super fast and that's what Dig's aiming at. It's actually stronger than Morgana's W, range non-withstanding!
no laggs so far, their site and interface may not look very good at the moment, but I have not had any problems with video and audio yet.
On March 22 2013 05:53 Sufficiency wrote: Calling it now. Janna AP ratio nerf incoming.
already nerfed hard so that AP Janna is not really viable anymore, I sometimes still play it though and lategasme 700 hp shields on a 6 second cooldown are definitely for the lulz
no laggs so far, their site and interface may not look very good at the moment, but I have not had any problems with video and audio yet.
Is anyone able to sign up at Azubu.tv? I dont get a confirmation email.
i had no problem doing it, the confirmation email is hilarious as fuck though, you get literally only the link to confirm your acc, seemed so shady when I first got it.
Morellonomicon and Spirit of the Spectral Wraith on Janna. o_o
On March 22 2013 05:56 little fancy wrote: So, wasn't the general consensus that BotrK is op? Then why no one of the two attack speed reliant ADs buys it?
On March 22 2013 05:56 little fancy wrote: So, wasn't the general consensus that BotrK is op? Then why no one of the two attack speed reliant ADs buys it?
Because they both scale hard off of AD and BT gives a lot of that
On March 22 2013 05:53 Sufficiency wrote: Calling it now. Janna AP ratio nerf incoming.
already nerfed hard so that AP Janna is not really viable anymore, I sometimes still play it though and lategasme 700 hp shields on a 6 second cooldown are definitely for the lulz
On March 22 2013 05:57 Alaric wrote: Morellonomicon and Spirit of the Spectral Wraith on Janna. o_o
Lemonation and zekent talked loads about getting AP on janna (Lemon said it more in the context of support here). I guess this is legit from how it's going. Wtf was that megazero and why did they chill out in karthus for so long dig. Oh I see mega decided he was worth less than nien fair dues.
On March 22 2013 05:56 little fancy wrote: So, wasn't the general consensus that BotrK is op? Then why no one of the two attack speed reliant ADs buys it?
hotfixed, 3200 is the same as BT and personally I still prefer bt, don't really like the stats on botrk but the active is definitely nice for selfpeel and that extra little nuke.
On March 22 2013 05:57 Alaric wrote: Morellonomicon and Spirit of the Spectral Wraith on Janna. o_o
Lemonation and zekent talked loads about getting AP on janna (Lemon said it more in the context of support here). I guess this is legit from how it's going. Wtf was that megazero and why did they chill out in karthus for so long dig. Oh I see mega decided he was worth less than nien far dues.
If Vayne died, Cait could have 1v1'd Rumble easily assuming her W was up so... yeah.
On March 22 2013 05:57 Alaric wrote: Morellonomicon and Spirit of the Spectral Wraith on Janna. o_o
Lemonation and zekent talked loads about getting AP on janna (Lemon said it more in the context of support here). I guess this is legit from how it's going. Wtf was that megazero and why did they chill out in karthus for so long dig. Oh I see mega decided he was worth less than nien far dues.
If Vayne died, Cait could have 1v1'd Rumble easily assuming her W was up so... yeah.
Didn't notice the cait ult thought megazero randomly jumped into his death.
MegaZero reminds me of that player in our group that always wants to carry, fails and then gets caught unnecessarily just for a few fucking CS, being somewhat useless overall. I would be so mad at him after the game, but they as a team probably have a much better relationship between each other.
And I really like Vayne going double defensive item.
On March 22 2013 06:02 little fancy wrote: MegaZero reminds me of that player in our group that always wants to carry, fails and then gets caught unnecessarily just for a few fucking CS, being somewhat useless overall. I would be so mad at him after the game, but they as a team probably have a much better relationship between each other.
And I really like Vayne going double defensive item.
He has some bad decision making but in the first few weeks he was like the saving grace of MRN, just needs to play a little more heads up.
Seeing this AP janna build intrigues me I think I'm gonna start messing around with janna builds more often I normally don't regard her as much due to how much I prefer leona
Holy shit those Janna+Diana shields... Scarra never had to worry about Requiem, either Eye of the Storm or Monsoon, if not his own shield would make him survive after he used Zhonya to survive his dive into Defile.
Also 140cs support Janna lolo. I really like the idea though: is it that Janna is too powerful? No, it's that Dig actually gave him farm and allowed him to have relevance.
Heartbeat just switched to playing support, right? It seemed like he really wasn't quite used to his role yet, although it's particularly hard to look good as a support when you're up against Patoy.
no laggs so far, their site and interface may not look very good at the moment, but I have not had any problems with video and audio yet.
Is anyone able to sign up at Azubu.tv? I dont get a confirmation email.
i had no problem doing it, the confirmation email is hilarious as fuck though, you get literally only the link to confirm your acc, seemed so shady when I first got it.
On March 22 2013 06:10 AsnSensation wrote: Also it's the season of fail crescendos.
Don't worry, XiaoXiao has 3 matches to play this weekend.
gotta shift my school and workout schedule only to watch the best player in the world showing them noobs how it's done <3 and getting caught while exploring the corners of summoner's rift of course
On March 22 2013 06:10 AsnSensation wrote: Also it's the season of fail crescendos.
Don't worry, XiaoXiao has 3 matches to play this weekend.
gotta shift my school and workout schedule only to watch the best player in the world showing them noobs how it's done <3 and getting caught while exploring the corners of summoner's rift of course
He does not get caught, it's that iG are too noob to understand his masterful baits.
On March 22 2013 06:12 onlywonderboy wrote: Incoming AP Jannas in soloq.
AP Janna is already really good in soloQ imo.
Anyway, I think Janna won the game for Dignitas this game. At lvl 16, Janna's R heals for 600 + 1.4AP over 4 seconds; you simply can't beat that kind of heal with AOE damage, with or without Rumble + Karthus.
Of course, Janna's R can be interrupted.... but unfortunately for MARN, they only have 3 ways to stop it, and they can't really afford to aim at Janna with it.
Azubu's stream doesn't load at all to me, do you have to suscribe to watch? I thought it was only for the 1080p according to what was said here.
Nvm it does if I choose the channel, but on the front page it doesn't. And it's laggy anyway. Yeah the lag probably comes from my goddamn ISP that bottlenecks bandwidth ("let's promise you such bandwidth, and oh shit we have a lot of clients, let's restrain the bandwidth on youtube/twitch during all the evening"). They do it on a few specific sites though, they shouldn't have caught up so fast on something like Azubu.
On March 22 2013 06:12 onlywonderboy wrote: Incoming AP Jannas in soloq.
AP Janna is already really good in soloQ imo.
Anyway, I think Janna won the game for Dignitas this game. At lvl 16, Janna's R heals for 600 + 1.4AP over 4 seconds; you simply can't beat that kind of heal with AOE damage, with or without Rumble + Karthus.
Of course, Janna's R can be interrupted.... but unfortunately for MARN, they only have 3 ways to stop it, and they can't really afford to aim at Janna with it.
Wasn't a comment on quality of it, just that there will probably be a spike in popularity.
No pressure WildTurtle, all that's on the line for you is making the main team of the richest NA team securing yourself a place on their salary roster and likely to appear on the show amongst a massive spike in popularity and opportunities that come with being on TSM.
On March 22 2013 06:26 kckkryptonite wrote: What happened to Chaox?
He's taking a week off, it's all speculation but the signs say it's because he was off partying and hanging out with fangirls when TSM wanted him to practice at Dallas so they decided "fuck that guy" and try out wildturtle.
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I mean he'll be back next week, unless WildTurtle just carries the shit out of TSM in all their games.
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I completely missed that, any short summary without derailing the thread too much?
On March 22 2013 06:26 kckkryptonite wrote: What happened to Chaox?
He's taking a week off, it's all speculation but the signs say it's because he was off partying and hanging out with fangirls when TSM wanted him to practice at Dallas so they decided "fuck that guy" and try out wildturtle.
All fake drama to create attention for their reality TV stuff. :D
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I completely missed that, any short summary without derailing the thread too much?
I'd also like to know. I missed MLG(Stupid Maths test)
On March 22 2013 06:26 kckkryptonite wrote: What happened to Chaox?
He's taking a week off, it's all speculation but the signs say it's because he was off partying and hanging out with fangirls when TSM wanted him to practice at Dallas so they decided "fuck that guy" and try out wildturtle.
All fake drama to create attention for their reality TV stuff. :D
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I mean he'll be back next week, unless WildTurtle just carries the shit out of TSM in all their games.
That's what I feel too. I don't think TSM are not seriously considering replacing Chaox at this point and WildTurtle has to be godlike, not just decent, for TSM to even think about switches.
On March 22 2013 06:26 kckkryptonite wrote: What happened to Chaox?
He's taking a week off, it's all speculation but the signs say it's because he was off partying and hanging out with fangirls when TSM wanted him to practice at Dallas so they decided "fuck that guy" and try out wildturtle.
All fake drama to create attention for their reality TV stuff. :D
This show means that regardless of outcomes TSM never truly loses, either they win and therefore ~yay~ or they lose and get juicy realities to show for all.
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I completely missed that, any short summary without derailing the thread too much?
I'd also like to know. I missed MLG(Stupid Maths test)
Watching MLG would not have helped you, you have to watch TSM's "Gamecrib". :D Basically it was about Chaox being unprofessional, being late to practice and tournament games etc. He seems to be taking baylife to literal.
brunch cleansing after taunt was already off and flash when he was 100% dead, dem mechanics. ~~ cmon pls I want to see an entertaining game for once, not played by curse or dig
On March 22 2013 07:21 Fwmeh wrote: Regi's ults could have been better this game. Even if he just uses them for vision, they don't accomplish that much.
On March 22 2013 07:21 Fwmeh wrote: Regi's ults could have been better this game. Even if he just uses them for vision, they don't accomplish that much.
Understatement of the year.
lolol thats probably the most positive think we'll hear about those ults all week
On March 22 2013 07:20 Sufficiency wrote: Executioner's Calling? WTF?!?!?!
Gets you a good bit of crit for a good bit cheaper than a PD. I remember IAmLOD getting it in S2 because with IE, PD, Executioner's, and runes+masteries it got you like 100% crit or close to it.
On March 22 2013 07:27 misirlou wrote: close game but I've seen stomps having much higher skill from the loosing team
TSM set up really well for that last fight though. CoL telegraphed their engage too clearly, giving TSM space to get Dyrus and Oddone way in front and soak up nearly all of the initial burst. Two CoL members were dead or near dead by the time anyone got on to Turtle. Xpecial also held his ultimate off until the perfect moment and caught more people with it than Amumu.
On March 22 2013 07:20 Sufficiency wrote: Executioner's Calling? WTF?!?!?!
Yeah, very strange choice. No healing/sustain at all on coL.
Not a strange choice at all. WildTurtle knew that was going to be the last fight, had to purchase an item. Probably didn't have enough for another big item (like BT/PD/BC), so Executioners was teh best choice.
Still begs the question of why Chuuper ran down to tank bot turret while the rest of his team ran away after mid inhib. That and a million other things that game. >_<
I don't want Chaox drama interview. Hate it when proteams turn on each other, at least keep up an illusion of comraderie.
On March 22 2013 07:40 Affenaffe wrote: the last fight was both teams melting through their tanks with tsm tanks being very tanky low dps and col's the other way round right?
TSM were set up with an extra tank though with one of them having toplane level farm, so CoL's tankline melted much faster than TSM's.
On March 22 2013 07:27 misirlou wrote: close game but I've seen stomps having much higher skill from the loosing team
TSM set up really well for that last fight though. CoL telegraphed their engage too clearly, giving TSM space to get Dyrus and Oddone way in front and soak up nearly all of the initial burst. Two CoL members were dead or near dead by the time anyone got on to Turtle. Xpecial also held his ultimate off until the perfect moment and caught more people with it than Amumu.
Despite Regi fucking up. I looked mostly at him during the fight, and he kept walking to and from, until he has a gold card and somebody he wants to stun (and then he just walks to the person, ignoring the whole enemy team even if he has to walk past them). He could have easily dodged the Amumu ult because he was in the back, and then walk back into its AoE with the ability to attack (you can cast PaC while entangled but the attack part is still "forbidden"), instead he retreated a bit, then walked back toward Amumu, got entangled, did nothing for 3 seconds, walked to coL, retreated a bit... Urgh. He basically did nothing in most fights while taking free damage. He was always almost oom too.
Well hes basically trying as hard as he can to answer the questions without giving a yes or no turtle is gonna replace Chaox permanently/move in etc.. Better than him going next question plz everytime he doesnt want to give a straight up answer.
Sounds like a stupidly obvious comment considering the penta but Turtle was pretty impressive. Got a kill out of nothing on Chuuper 1v2 botlane, kept up high levels of farm and positioned well in teamfights.
On March 22 2013 07:27 misirlou wrote: close game but I've seen stomps having much higher skill from the loosing team
TSM set up really well for that last fight though. CoL telegraphed their engage too clearly, giving TSM space to get Dyrus and Oddone way in front and soak up nearly all of the initial burst. Two CoL members were dead or near dead by the time anyone got on to Turtle. Xpecial also held his ultimate off until the perfect moment and caught more people with it than Amumu.
Despite Regi fucking up. I looked mostly at him during the fight, and he kept walking to and from, until he has a gold card and somebody he wants to stun (and then he just walks to the person, ignoring the whole enemy team even if he has to walk past them). He could have easily dodged the Amumu ult because he was in the back, and then walk back into its AoE with the ability to attack (you can cast PaC while entangled but the attack part is still "forbidden"), instead he retreated a bit, then walked back toward Amumu, got entangled, did nothing for 3 seconds, walked to coL, retreated a bit... Urgh. He basically did nothing in most fights while taking free damage. He was always almost oom too.
well it had to be about nickwu then right? not being able to assassinate a high dmg target. amumu zoned cait away for quite some time in the beginning so they could do nearly free damage to xin and shen (taking some on amumu) i have to watch it again, i dont quite get it.
On March 22 2013 07:20 Sufficiency wrote: Executioner's Calling? WTF?!?!?!
Yeah, very strange choice. No healing/sustain at all on coL.
Not a strange choice at all. WildTurtle knew that was going to be the last fight, had to purchase an item. Probably didn't have enough for another big item (like BT/PD/BC), so Executioners was teh best choice.
What? This didn't happen.
WildTurtle got the Executioner's Calling early in the game. He later sold it for a 2nd Phantom Dancer.
Executioner's is barely cost-efficient without the passive, it certainly isn't some hyper-efficient small item like it was in S2.
On March 22 2013 07:20 Sufficiency wrote: Executioner's Calling? WTF?!?!?!
Yeah, very strange choice. No healing/sustain at all on coL.
Not a strange choice at all. WildTurtle knew that was going to be the last fight, had to purchase an item. Probably didn't have enough for another big item (like BT/PD/BC), so Executioners was teh best choice.
What? This didn't happen.
WildTurtle got the Executioner's Calling early in the game. He later sold it for a 2nd Phantom Dancer.
Executioner's is barely cost-efficient without the passive, it certainly isn't some hyper-efficient small item like it was in S2.
He said it himself-he had 1900 gold and thought it'd be better for the moment than a bf or w/e .
Man if half the stuff that said about Chaox on GameCribs ep.5 is true he should be kicked. The other players on TSM do not deserve to be held back by someone who doesn't take his job seriously.
On March 22 2013 07:52 DonKey_ wrote: Man if half the stuff that said about Chaox on GameCribs ep.5 is true he should be kicked. The other players on TSM do not deserve to be held back by someone who doesn't take his job seriously.
If half of it is true I'd say he wants to be kicked.
ok watched the last fight a few times and it was pretty much xpecial getting the best possible ult and exhausting zed the exact moment he blew his load (on the melees though), maybe amumu taking a bit too much damage early and twisted fate derping during the fight
... Or they could just watch the summoners to see who picks what. HSGG was on TP/flash since the beginning, it was pretty sure he wasn't going to keep Nasus.
On March 22 2013 08:01 AsnSensation wrote: Hotshot calls Dig 1 dimensional, the guy that has been playing the same 3 champions for 3 years, really?? :D
3champs, 3 dimensional, amirite? Lol, hsgg biggest hypocrite of all time
On March 22 2013 07:57 Affenaffe wrote: ok watched the last fight a few times and it was pretty much xpecial getting the best possible ult and exhausting zed the exact moment he blew his load (on the melees though), maybe amumu taking a bit too much damage early and twisted fate derping during the fight
Yeah, the main factors were Xpecial getting a great ult and Amumu getting poked without getting in range to ult Caitlyn. Due to which WildTurtle was able to sit in the back and autoattack safely while Col were CCed.
Can't believe I stayed up for this shit although I have to get up in 4 hours. CLG plz, at least start acting like you cared. This is so frustrating, zzz.
On March 22 2013 08:14 Sufficiency wrote: I went to the washroom. How did dig get 3 kills? Was it the crumbzz camping bot?
Crumbz camps bot. CLG knew about it send Chauster to camp bot too and Link coming through river. Chauster ganks bot gets counter ganked by Crumbz but Link comes into support and CLG gets first blood, but get killed after because the bear.
On March 22 2013 08:16 mr_tolkien wrote: Only Dig and Curse still do their best in the LCS it seems. The other teams just... Dunno, they play so poorly. They got WORST ever since LCS started.
Hands down, I think it's just that Curse and dig are getting better, improving and shit, and the other teams are staying on NA levels.
On March 22 2013 08:32 wei2coolman wrote: I know theres no way for CLG to come back from this, and Dig wants to play it safe, but top tier teams would've won this game already....
on the other hand, a "top tier" team such as CLG (if u can still categorize them as such) should have /ff by now, they're just getting trolled at this point
On March 22 2013 08:32 wei2coolman wrote: I know theres no way for CLG to come back from this, and Dig wants to play it safe, but top tier teams would've won this game already....
on the other hand, a "top tier" team such as CLG (if u can still categorize them as such) should have /ff by now, they're just getting trolled at this point
Tournament game, never give up. I don't care what team you are. I actually get surprised every time TSM surrenders.
Chaox needs to calm down on twitter... haha And wow that game. Dignitas really looks to be improving every week, other than that hiccup last week. Though I have to say, every team but TSM and CLG really looks to be improving tremendously. It's nice to see.
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
I'd say the bottom four teams have improved, not enough to consistently beat the top four teams, but still better then Week 1. Curse and dig have just separated themselves from CLG and TSM at the moment.
On March 22 2013 08:38 Sufficiency wrote: Oh god. I want to see the clip of Patoy lvl 6 Elise with no CS pwning HSGG lvl 9 Malphite. That was hilarious.
To be fair that's just elise being elise lolz.As a doublelift fanboy I am very dissapoint .
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
I'd say the bottom four teams have improved, not enough to consistently beat the top four teams, but still better then Week 1. Curse and dig have just separated themselves from CLG and TSM at the moment.
yeah they dont fall apart during the teamfights so much anymore most of them were competent laners before
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
Dig isn't getting worse.
Im sure the losses vs coL and Vulcun made them stronger last week
Almost anyone can drop a best of one, saying they are getting worse because they lost two games in a week isn't really saying much, you need a larger sample size. Look how they are playing this week, overall dig has improved DRAMATICALLY since Season 2.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
Dig isn't getting worse.
Im sure the losses vs coL and Vulcun made them stronger last week
Almost anyone can drop a best of one, saying they are getting worse because they lost two games in a week isn't really saying much, you need a larger sample size. Look how they are playing this week, overall dig has improved DRAMATICALLY since Season 2.
Not to mention they were a mess at the start of the season anyway.
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
Dig isn't getting worse.
Im sure the losses vs coL and Vulcun made them stronger last week
Almost anyone can drop a best of one, saying they are getting worse because they lost two games in a week isn't really saying much, you need a larger sample size. Look how they are playing this week, overall dig has improved DRAMATICALLY since Season 2.
Feels like all that is due to Crumbz going into jungle. IWD was really bad in S2 I feel. He just didn't do anything where as crumbz not only makes calls for the team but also makes a lot more pressure on the map. Also noteworthy is IWD has improved since he got banned too lol. His being banned might have been best thing for him.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
He puts himself 3rd behind Devil; lulz. But yeah, he's gotten too rusty; maybe at end of S2 i'd believe it, but now he's not up there. CLG pretty heavy though.
Dig is easily the most improved team, just compare their play form the first week to now and its almost hard to believe they are the same team. Getting a kinda brutal wake up call in the first week was probably good for them, along with finally resolving their housin issues
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
Dig isn't getting worse.
Im sure the losses vs coL and Vulcun made them stronger last week
Almost anyone can drop a best of one, saying they are getting worse because they lost two games in a week isn't really saying much, you need a larger sample size. Look how they are playing this week, overall dig has improved DRAMATICALLY since Season 2.
Feels like all that is due to Crumbz going into jungle. IWD was really bad in S2 I feel. He just didn't do anything where as crumbz not only makes calls for the team but also makes a lot more pressure on the map. Also noteworthy is IWD has improved since he got banned too lol. His being banned might have been best thing for him.
Season 3 changes to the Jungle seem to have really benefited both IWD and Crumbz's Jungle style (for all I know Crumbz would be really good on Mao or Cho, but his Xin and Vi are beast). That said, I agree, KiWi is making more of an impact in the Top lane than Crumbz did so overall still good for Dig.
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
Dig isn't getting worse.
Im sure the losses vs coL and Vulcun made them stronger last week
Almost anyone can drop a best of one, saying they are getting worse because they lost two games in a week isn't really saying much, you need a larger sample size. Look how they are playing this week, overall dig has improved DRAMATICALLY since Season 2.
Feels like all that is due to Crumbz going into jungle. IWD was really bad in S2 I feel. He just didn't do anything where as crumbz not only makes calls for the team but also makes a lot more pressure on the map. Also noteworthy is IWD has improved since he got banned too lol. His being banned might have been best thing for him.
IWD is just bad. Bad, bad, bad. Really really bad.
On March 22 2013 08:52 Louuster wrote: Dig is easily the most improved team, just compare their play form the first week to now and its almost hard to believe they are the same team. Getting a kinda brutal wake up call in the first week was probably good for them, along with finally resolving their housin issues
If you're talking about start of LCS, then yes, but considering where they were in S2; they're around the same place they were in S2; still part of the troika.
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
Dig isn't getting worse.
Im sure the losses vs coL and Vulcun made them stronger last week
Almost anyone can drop a best of one, saying they are getting worse because they lost two games in a week isn't really saying much, you need a larger sample size. Look how they are playing this week, overall dig has improved DRAMATICALLY since Season 2.
Feels like all that is due to Crumbz going into jungle. IWD was really bad in S2 I feel. He just didn't do anything where as crumbz not only makes calls for the team but also makes a lot more pressure on the map. Also noteworthy is IWD has improved since he got banned too lol. His being banned might have been best thing for him.
IWD is just bad. Bad, bad, bad. Really really bad.
In S2 I would have agreed but he's made quite big strides to get better. Nowadays he's most likely mediocre/decent.
On March 22 2013 08:52 Louuster wrote: Dig is easily the most improved team, just compare their play form the first week to now and its almost hard to believe they are the same team. Getting a kinda brutal wake up call in the first week was probably good for them, along with finally resolving their housin issues
If you're talking about start of LCS, then yes, but considering where they were in S2; they're around the same place they were in S2; still part of the troika.
Rooting for MRN. Go Heartbeat!!!
Yeah, but now they are fluctuating at one or two instead usually staying in third.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
On March 22 2013 08:52 Louuster wrote: Dig is easily the most improved team, just compare their play form the first week to now and its almost hard to believe they are the same team. Getting a kinda brutal wake up call in the first week was probably good for them, along with finally resolving their housin issues
If you're talking about start of LCS, then yes, but considering where they were in S2; they're around the same place they were in S2; still part of the troika.
Rooting for MRN. Go Heartbeat!!!
NA is currently a duoq of crs/dig imo.TSM/CLG not really on their level.
On March 22 2013 08:52 Louuster wrote: Dig is easily the most improved team, just compare their play form the first week to now and its almost hard to believe they are the same team. Getting a kinda brutal wake up call in the first week was probably good for them, along with finally resolving their housin issues
If you're talking about start of LCS, then yes, but considering where they were in S2; they're around the same place they were in S2; still part of the troika.
Rooting for MRN. Go Heartbeat!!!
NA is currently a duoq of crs/dig imo.TSM/CLG not really on their level.
I wouldn't say Dig got better, so much as TSM/CLG getting worse.
Sort of a cop out to say that. But I do enjoy watching the kiwikid pick up, very good new talent.
On March 22 2013 08:55 Agnosthar wrote: Wow Chaox is so mad. Funny that Saint said pretty much the same thing as DL and isn't getting flamed back.
Well what's he going to flame Saint about. His team being better than his? CLG/DL are just super easy to flame back since they have absolutely nothing going for them.
On March 22 2013 08:55 RagequitBM wrote: Didn't doublelift say Nientosh was as good or better than himself during his AMA? I've never seen Nientosh play..
Said he was top 3 (Doublelift, qtpie, Nien). Which is probably true mechanically, he hasn't played ADC competitively in a long time tough, since he was playing Mid for Cloud 9, but he was pretty beast when he was ADC when they were still Orbit.
On March 22 2013 08:34 Numy wrote: I don't get why these LCS teams seem to be getting worse not better.
Dig isn't getting worse.
Im sure the losses vs coL and Vulcun made them stronger last week
Almost anyone can drop a best of one, saying they are getting worse because they lost two games in a week isn't really saying much, you need a larger sample size. Look how they are playing this week, overall dig has improved DRAMATICALLY since Season 2.
Feels like all that is due to Crumbz going into jungle. IWD was really bad in S2 I feel. He just didn't do anything where as crumbz not only makes calls for the team but also makes a lot more pressure on the map. Also noteworthy is IWD has improved since he got banned too lol. His being banned might have been best thing for him.
Season 3 changes to the Jungle seem to have really benefited both IWD and Crumbz's Jungle style (for all I know Crumbz would be really good on Mao or Cho, but his Xin and Vi are beast). That said, I agree, KiWi is making more of an impact in the Top lane than Crumbz did so overall still good for Dig.
One of his first games back to the jungle (it was before IWD ban iirc, and in the TSM series or something minor like that) he beasted with s2 Amumu, really impressive, everywhere with the plays and hyper aggressive and tempo-driven.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
On March 22 2013 08:52 Louuster wrote: Dig is easily the most improved team, just compare their play form the first week to now and its almost hard to believe they are the same team. Getting a kinda brutal wake up call in the first week was probably good for them, along with finally resolving their housin issues
If you're talking about start of LCS, then yes, but considering where they were in S2; they're around the same place they were in S2; still part of the troika.
Rooting for MRN. Go Heartbeat!!!
NA is currently a duoq of crs/dig imo.TSM/CLG not really on their level.
I wouldn't say Dig got better, so much as TSM/CLG getting worse.
Sort of a cop out to say that. But I do enjoy watching the kiwikid pick up, very good new talent.
Dig are playing A LOT better imo.Crumbz was a bad top laner but now he is definitely an amazing jungler and kiwikid is really good as well.Definitely a big improvement.Also there haven't been a lot of dignitas throws which is quite a big deal.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
Hating on DL this hard. lulz. The fact is, all top pro players puts DL in the top tier ADC category. Yeah, he talks a ton of trash, but learn to exclude attitude from level of play.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
He's unquestionably world class. I think the argument is over whether he's #2. He's definitely in the same league as the best.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
Hating on DL this hard. lulz. The fact is, all top pro players puts DL in the top tier ADC category. Yeah, he talks a ton of trash, but learn to exclude attitude from level of play.
I think the quagmire that is CLG is getting to him now. All is recent vlogs and shit he just doesn't seem to actually enjoy the game or want to improve himself anymore. He is def slipping.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
Hating on DL this hard. lulz. The fact is, all top pro players puts DL in the top tier ADC category. Yeah, he talks a ton of trash, but learn to exclude attitude from level of play.
I think the quagmire that is CLG is getting to him now. All is recent vlogs and shit he just doesn't seem to actually enjoy the game or want to improve himself anymore. He is def slipping.
Its hard to have motivation to play when you've got to carry HSGG.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
Those are some pretty high standards you have.
It's amusing to me how violently opinion swings on player ability based on team results.
Ppl here hate so much they go blind, no other carry in the world has to carry his bad team as doublelift does. Regardless of skill comparsion that makes a huge diference in someones play
I feel like the LCS format is actually pretty unforgiving for TSM/CLG, teams that were kind of overrated by their fans and perhaps also by themselves. The mixed/disappointing results they obtain don't allow them to pose as the dominant teams of the scene they used to be, and that can be hard to accept that for players with such an ego. But i think that if they can accept their current level, put aside their pride and get seriously to work they can be a threat to Dig/Crs again. Let's hope they wake up for the sake of the NA scene in general (said as a Crs fan)
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
Those are some pretty high standards you have.
It's amusing to me how violently opinion swings on player ability based on team results.
No this is not based on the game he played today by itself. It's a generalization of his abilities.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
Those are some pretty high standards you have.
It's amusing to me how violently opinion swings on player ability based on team results.
No this is not based on the game he played today by itself. It's a generalization of his abilities.
And let me guess, Alex Ich isn't top tier mid player too. hahahaha.
I don't know how he has the ego to say that when he's benched; and their sub just got a pentakill. lulz. DL still ended game with highest cs, impressive considered how hard CLG got stomped.
To be fair, DL placing himself as 2nd best AD in the world (and I'm pretty sure he actually believes it) is insane.
It's pretty tough to know how he'd go with a better team. For example a game like that tells you very little. It was just a stomp all over the map. The MRN match is probably more instructive as it was more even, and he was excellent in that game. Dude still has it imo.
Doublelift is far from a world-class ADC. He screws up himself quite often.
The only world-class quality he got is ego.
Those are some pretty high standards you have.
It's amusing to me how violently opinion swings on player ability based on team results.
No this is not based on the game he played today by itself. It's a generalization of his abilities.
I think you're really underestimating him based on how weak CLG is overall. His mechanics are some of the best in the world but he can only carry his team so hard.. Pretty sure several notable KR pros have even said he's one of the best ADCs in the world.
Edit: I don't think he's the best, or even second best, but probably hovering around top five minus like one or two.
Yeah Nasus is probably gonna get nerfed soon...picked 3/4 games so far. They weren't kidding about this being "Wither Week." I bet Wither is what gets hit too.
wildturtle looking very solid so far, this is potentially the best thing that could happen to Chaox. Seeing that they have a very capable potential replacement should really be a wake up call to not take his position for granted as much. How he responds to this should also be a good indication of how strong he is mentally as a competitor.
On March 22 2013 09:36 MooMooMugi wrote: LOL DEMAN JUST CALLED OUT DOUBLELIFT
I don't know. Weixaio is so superior, and his team is so much better. It's just so difficult to compare the two. In a 1v1, I feel like doublelift's overall level is lower due to his teammates giving him bad practice.
On March 22 2013 09:25 nosliw wrote: regi doing Q>E>W.... is that standard? Dont you want W 2nd for dmg?
PAC doesn't scale that well off of base values. CDR and AS on E is worth more. It's fine.
I really feel like ecco should've ulted to clean up regi. Would've been worth it at this point IMO.
But lvling up W gives you higher stun duration.
Yeah, I was under the impression that the stun duration was one of the major reasons W is maxed second (if not THE reason)
It's pretty much the only reason.
Each rank of W only provides 20 more damage for blue and 7.5 for gold. Comparably, TF already gains 3.3 damage per level (W has 1.0 AD ratio). Furthermore, further up in rank of W does not reduce the CDR and increase the mana cost (you are not really getting more mana per blue card).
I'm noticing a LOT of digs at CLG by Deman, not only in his commentary, but his social media posts as well. As a CLG fan it's a little bit irritating. The odd comment is fun, but I'd prefer if Deman was a tiny bit more impartial in his role as a commentator.
On March 22 2013 09:36 MooMooMugi wrote: LOL DEMAN JUST CALLED OUT DOUBLELIFT
I don't know. Weixaio is so superior, and his team is so much better. It's just so difficult to compare the two. In a 1v1, I feel like doublelift's overall level is lower due to his teammates giving him bad practice.
I agree Doublelift is better than his team, but Weixaio probably IS on another level.
On March 22 2013 09:36 MooMooMugi wrote: LOL DEMAN JUST CALLED OUT DOUBLELIFT
I don't know. Weixaio is so superior, and his team is so much better. It's just so difficult to compare the two. In a 1v1, I feel like doublelift's overall level is lower due to his teammates giving him bad practice.
The guy is mechanically one of the best, but he's always been poor in the decision making department. He'll be sitting bottom farming when he should be with the team, poorly position himself to start fights or chase for kills and get caught.
I don't see how you can blame the team for Doublelift playing poorly, especially since they basically go 4 support and 1 carry just for him in every game. Their entire strategy is built around giving Doublelift the best possible chance to succeed.
On March 22 2013 09:36 MooMooMugi wrote: LOL DEMAN JUST CALLED OUT DOUBLELIFT
I don't know. Weixaio is so superior, and his team is so much better. It's just so difficult to compare the two. In a 1v1, I feel like doublelift's overall level is lower due to his teammates giving him bad practice.
The guy is mechanically one of the best, but he's always been poor in the decision making department. He'll be sitting bottom farming when he should be with the team, poorly position himself to start fights or chase for kills and get caught.
I don't see how you can blame the team for Doublelift playing poorly, especially since they basically go 4 support and 1 carry just for him in every game. Their entire strategy is built around giving Doublelift the best possible chance to succeed.
It is very lucky for weixiao, because Uzi is considered as good as weixiao but his teammates are not as good as misaya clearlove. But Uzi teammates are much better than hsgg
Just watched the VOD of CLG vs Dig...CLG got crushed hard. But TSM members seem pretty mad against other teams. First it was Xpecial going around pointing finger and now ChaoX esp when he was the one that got benched, and TSM did great w/o him. I guess hes just mad cos he got benched.
On March 22 2013 09:58 Sufficiency wrote: God I really hope CLG dips below 4th... and see who HSGG will boot next :D
Hopefully himself.
so much this, i hate hsgg. he has such an ego its retarded, doublelift gets on my nerves too but at least he performs most of the time. tsm even said it in the previous episode of gamecribs when they lost to clg that clg is a VERY cocky team, imo unprofessional. w.e it creates drama so maybe its a good thing, it makes things interesting and it makes me root against clg. hsgg needs to get off his high horse though, i saw an interview of regi's girl and hsgg appears in it and he just has this like smug face and attitude.
On March 22 2013 09:41 Agnosthar wrote: I'm noticing a LOT of digs at CLG by Deman, not only in his commentary, but his social media posts as well. As a CLG fan it's a little bit irritating. The odd comment is fun, but I'd prefer if Deman was a tiny bit more impartial in his role as a commentator.
Although I didn't expect CLG to win their match today against Dignitas, I was not expecting them to get absolutely shit stomped. CLG really needs to get back into shape and reevaluate their playing style. Hotshot really needs to expand his champion pool, and overall, CLG needs to play more carry champs because ADCs are simply not as good as they were in S2, and they can't rely on just two threats on their team.
I remember seeing Doublelift's AMA, and I was overall cool with it except the post saying that they won't change their playstyle, even if it's not optimal. That's not how it works. This really makes me sad because pre-season, you could have easily predicted CLG to be a top 2 team in the LCS, but their consistency is terrible, which shows in their 8-7 record.
As much as I agree that HSGG has a lot to work on in his game, you can't say they lost yesterday's game because of him. In fact, you can pretty much blame everyone else, from the derped 4v3 bot to doublelift getting cocooned as an ez (with enough mana to e-dodge it). By the time both HSGG and Kiwikid were a factor in the game, CLG was 5k gold down.
So I just got to the Dignitas and CLG pregame interviews... I can't believe this stuff. Just so one no one misses this, here's the youtube link that goes right to it.
Why did he build it again? It doesn't actually increase damage to lane minions, right? Just jungle monsters?
Basically Riot has made it so cost effective (and cheap) that even in the Support role he was able to pick it up fairly quickly. He was building a lot of AP for all of the split pushing he did, plus they couldn't deal with how much his ult healed for. In conjunction with Morellonomicon for only 4200 gold he got 150 AP, 30% CDR, and 22 MP5, not too shabby.
On March 22 2013 22:34 zer0das wrote: So I just got to the Dignitas and CLG pregame interviews... I can't believe this stuff. Just so one no one misses this, here's the youtube link that goes right to it.
CLG making themselves look horrible lol.
(Full disclosure, I'm a Dignitas fan).
Hahaha wow, I actually missed that. So much hate. :D
On March 22 2013 22:18 Sbrubbles wrote: As much as I agree that HSGG has a lot to work on in his game, you can't say they lost yesterday's game because of him. In fact, you can pretty much blame everyone else, from the derped 4v3 bot to doublelift getting cocooned as an ez (with enough mana to e-dodge it). By the time both HSGG and Kiwikid were a factor in the game, CLG was 5k gold down.
But you can't rely on him carrying the team at all, because he can only playlay two champions.
On March 22 2013 22:18 Sbrubbles wrote: As much as I agree that HSGG has a lot to work on in his game, you can't say they lost yesterday's game because of him. In fact, you can pretty much blame everyone else, from the derped 4v3 bot to doublelift getting cocooned as an ez (with enough mana to e-dodge it). By the time both HSGG and Kiwikid were a factor in the game, CLG was 5k gold down.
But you can't rely on him carrying the team at all, because he can only playlay two champions.
He pretty much only plays tanks, carry oriented champs don't fit his play style and overall this is detrimental to CLG.
Doublelift reminds me of an nba or nfl star who demands the offense be run through him no matter what - even if he's double or triple teamed, or if the other team has prepared to shut him down specifically. There's a reason why Lebron couldn't win with the Cavs, or why the Lakers started winning more this year when Kobe was passing the ball more. The whole "this is our strategy, and we're doing it no matter what" plan they've subscribed to just simply isn't smart. Good teams in any sport make adjustments based on their opponent, and have depth beyond one single star. CLG has basically come out and said they're unwilling to do that, and it's disappointing.
Hotshot used his ult offensively like once. In at least one situation he let his team get butchered while his ult was up. Sure it wasn't his fault the situation was that awful to begin with, but you're Malphite, man up and use your ult.
Scarra also said something to the effect of "Hotshot doesn't play any top laners that are an offensive threat so our focus was mid and bot, because if we shut them down, we don't have to worry."
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I completely missed that, any short summary without derailing the thread too much?
I'd also like to know. I missed MLG(Stupid Maths test)
Too funny you say Maths. People here in Lesotho say it and it was so strange. But now I say it too.
And to be honest, it makes sense. It is Mathematics, not Mathematic - why should it be Math and not Maths, amirite?
On March 23 2013 00:58 JonGalt wrote: TEEEESSSSMMMM
WildTurtle pentakill is too cool. Also, found this tweet pretty funny.
"@Hai_L9: A WildTurtle appears. WildTurtle Uses Replace Chaox. It's Super Effective!"
Baylife >>> CLG, I belieeeeeeeve!
Psh, why did hai give up the opportunity to use a real pokemon move? :p WildTurtle used Substitute!
Meanwhile WildTurtle continues his tradition of being an OP Substitute. Remember when he subbed for Prolly on LgN? He doesn't even play mid that much! But once he's added to a static roster, he no longer has his hidden passive activated and becomes human again.
On March 22 2013 09:41 Agnosthar wrote: I'm noticing a LOT of digs at CLG by Deman, not only in his commentary, but his social media posts as well. As a CLG fan it's a little bit irritating. The odd comment is fun, but I'd prefer if Deman was a tiny bit more impartial in his role as a commentator.
I think it's ok and I'm a CLG fan.
Agreed - I'd rather casters not sugarcoat everything and not be afraid to call out players for being cocky or making mistakes.
One hour away from the first game. I am exciting about the trashtalk after the CLG vs TSM game more than the game itself . Lets see how Chaox and DL play this out.
On March 23 2013 04:17 Caphe wrote: One hour away from the first game. I am exciting about the trashtalk after the CLG vs TSM game more than the game itself . Lets see how Chaox and DL play this out.
On March 23 2013 04:17 Caphe wrote: One hour away from the first game. I am exciting about the trashtalk after the CLG vs TSM game more than the game itself . Lets see how Chaox and DL play this out.
I Thought Chaox wasnt playing this week ?
Correct still wildturtle today but chaox will obviously be throwing out the jabs if wildturtle beats double (So will double probably, this match is lose lose for poor chaox either turtle upstages him or double wins)
On March 23 2013 04:17 Caphe wrote: One hour away from the first game. I am exciting about the trashtalk after the CLG vs TSM game more than the game itself . Lets see how Chaox and DL play this out.
I Thought Chaox wasnt playing this week ?
Correct still wildturtle today but chaox will obviously be throwing out the jabs if wildturtle beats double (So will double probably, this match is lose lose for poor chaox either turtle upstages him or double wins)
It's a lose lose for Chaox either way. Wildturtle wins, he's even more likely to replace Chaoxin TSM lineup. Doubelift wins, DL talks shit to Chaox.
On March 23 2013 04:17 Caphe wrote: One hour away from the first game. I am exciting about the trashtalk after the CLG vs TSM game more than the game itself . Lets see how Chaox and DL play this out.
I Thought Chaox wasnt playing this week ?
Correct still wildturtle today but chaox will obviously be throwing out the jabs if wildturtle beats double (So will double probably, this match is lose lose for poor chaox either turtle upstages him or double wins)
It's a lose lose for Chaox either way. Wildturtle wins, he's even more likely to replace Chaoxin TSM lineup. Doubelift wins, DL talks shit to Chaox.
Yeah, something like this.
On March 23 2013 04:19 BlackMagister wrote: Isn't it 3hrs away?
Omg, I got the wrong time . Now I have to go to sleep and wake up in 3 hours time...FML its 4AM for me already. God damn!!
On March 23 2013 04:17 Caphe wrote: One hour away from the first game. I am exciting about the trashtalk after the CLG vs TSM game more than the game itself . Lets see how Chaox and DL play this out.
I Thought Chaox wasnt playing this week ?
Correct still wildturtle today but chaox will obviously be throwing out the jabs if wildturtle beats double (So will double probably, this match is lose lose for poor chaox either turtle upstages him or double wins)
It's a lose lose for Chaox either way. Wildturtle wins, he's even more likely to replace Chaoxin TSM lineup. Doubelift wins, DL talks shit to Chaox.
in the same way: if wild does bad he has a better chance at coming back "early" if doublelift loses he can shittalk him
Also quick note games start in 40 minutes, they start 2 hours earlier than usual this week
On March 22 2013 22:34 zer0das wrote: So I just got to the Dignitas and CLG pregame interviews... I can't believe this stuff. Just so one no one misses this, here's the youtube link that goes right to it.
On March 23 2013 04:17 Caphe wrote: One hour away from the first game. I am exciting about the trashtalk after the CLG vs TSM game more than the game itself . Lets see how Chaox and DL play this out.
I Thought Chaox wasnt playing this week ?
Correct still wildturtle today but chaox will obviously be throwing out the jabs if wildturtle beats double (So will double probably, this match is lose lose for poor chaox either turtle upstages him or double wins)
It's a lose lose for Chaox either way. Wildturtle wins, he's even more likely to replace Chaoxin TSM lineup. Doubelift wins, DL talks shit to Chaox.
in the same way: if wild does bad he has a better chance at coming back "early" if doublelift loses he can shittalk him
Also quick note games start in 40 minutes, they start 2 hours earlier than usual this week
Actually no. No one actually expects WildTurtle to beat Doublelift; thats why if WildTurtle loses lane, no one is going to blame him for so; it's just the gap in skill. Unless WildTurtle wildly feeds DL, TSM still going to keep the 1 week ban on ChaoX, no matter what.
On March 23 2013 07:12 KissBlade wrote: haha really? Wow didn't notice. Props to him for that one then.
^ GGU? (Think people forgot they even existed lol)
i thought they were doing fine. then i saw lcs scoreboard
I thought GGU would be decent but urm... they aren't whatever I'm okay with zionspartan and nintendude suffering sucks for dontmashme and bloodwater though (Also pls get back into USA shiptur )
On March 23 2013 07:06 Redox wrote: The recap reminds me what a beast Deman is. He casted all 4 games yesterday while his co-casters alternated.
Yeah, he is a beast. So much energy and awesome commentaries. Note that he casted IEM earlier and probably still has jetlag after arrival in the US. He looks kind of tired yesterday.
Ok. Game over or what? I don't get why Hotshot didn't get a ward after first back. And why does Aphrolift lose bot lane so much recently? Just sad to watch.
I admit I'm a huge Link fan and a real believer that he would be the saviour when he became starter, but after watching him more and more in lcs I don't think he is much better than jiji and doesn't even roam as much as people like him too, which was the biggest point they criticized JiJi for.
Doublelift coming back with the super heavy jungle+tp camp, hotshot getting pooped on though at this point he won't have RoA till 30min.
On March 23 2013 07:47 NovaTheFeared wrote: Doublelift so funny, 5 pushing inhib turret and he still farms top. Doesn't get back until all 4 of his team already dead.
He's still not farming his jungle, it's just that with Regi roaming so much TOO gets to hold mid and farm. While it's not really TOO finding time to farm his jungle, I like it has it can only make the team stronger if they give more farm to the one who's often playing diving/initiating junglers.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Mensol wrote: kick hsgg and link bring back jiji and pick the rain man.
success!
As long as CLG stubbornly believe only doublelift is allowed to carry I don't think they'll ever drop hotshot since he's the only top laner who will go 100% utility.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doublelift chose to farm the lane instead of recalling, costing the team the inhibitor.
No. He saw that they were going to get the turret no matter what, so he decided to try to get top to make up for it. He wasn't expecting them to keep pushing.
This is probably the worst outcome for Chaox. Wildturtle, and Doublelift both do well.
To all that blame DL for staying top: if I saw this correctly, it looked more like a team decision. I think they already saw that 2nd tier turret in mid was lost so they tried to defend the inhib turret while getting TSM top turret in return. However, they probably unterestimated their TSM's dive abilitey.
Whatever, this game should be over anyways. Another weak performance by CLG.
On March 23 2013 07:47 NovaTheFeared wrote: Doublelift so funny, 5 pushing inhib turret and he still farms top. Doesn't get back until all 4 of his team already dead.
they were pushing t2 tower not inhib...
He was still top when they were at inhib turret and diving. As I said he didn't get back to fight until all 4 already died.
To me, Jiji was like Piccolo. Dude was super strong at the start and was pretty consistent but his power levels didn't grow. Link feels like Trunks, an upgrade to Piccolo in some regards but still Trunks isn't enough to carry Krillin (hotshotgg). CLG really needs a Vegeta - Someone really aggressive, cocky and able to carry his own in a 1v1 vs anyone.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Mensol wrote: kick hsgg and link bring back jiji and pick the rain man.
success!
As long as CLG stubbornly believe only doublelift is allowed to carry I don't think they'll ever drop hotshot since he's the only top laner who will go 100% utility.
Maybe this will force them to admit that JiJi was not the problem.
Not sure if TSM is good or CLG just played like 5 soloQs . One thing is for sure though, Wild Turtle > Chaox, no doubt about it.
On March 23 2013 07:53 AsnSensation wrote: is it just me or is clg always relying on some baron shenanigan lol
It shows how shallow CLG is. I meant TSM don't even need to go into the baron pit, Baron will just kill at least 2-3 members of CLG right there, lol. But it was hilarious though.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Mensol wrote: kick hsgg and link bring back jiji and pick the rain man.
success!
As long as CLG stubbornly believe only doublelift is allowed to carry I don't think they'll ever drop hotshot since he's the only top laner who will go 100% utility.
Maybe this will force them to admit that JiJi was not the problem.
They'll probably believe that there's always an issue besides their doublelift + 4 support playstyle.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Mensol wrote: kick hsgg and link bring back jiji and pick the rain man.
success!
As long as CLG stubbornly believe only doublelift is allowed to carry I don't think they'll ever drop hotshot since he's the only top laner who will go 100% utility.
Maybe this will force them to admit that JiJi was not the problem.
Jiji was a problem, but he wasn't their only problem.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doublelift chose to farm the lane instead of recalling, costing the team the inhibitor.
No. He saw that they were going to get the turret no matter what, so he decided to try to get top to make up for it. He wasn't expecting them to keep pushing.
This is probably the worst outcome for Chaox. Wildturtle, and Doublelift both do well.
Doublelift didn't do well, at all, he was outplayed bot 2 times and only got back in the game because chauster camped lane and hotshot with tp, as well. Meanwhile TSM pushed mid/top tower and took a few dragons though.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Mensol wrote: kick hsgg and link bring back jiji and pick the rain man.
success!
As long as CLG stubbornly believe only doublelift is allowed to carry I don't think they'll ever drop hotshot since he's the only top laner who will go 100% utility.
Maybe this will force them to admit that JiJi was not the problem.
Jiji was a problem, but that doesn't mean he was the only problem.
CLG felt completely lost to TSM's agression ... HSGG/Chauster/Link didn't consider properly the possibility of the 3 man dive top and doublelift/aphromoo got outplayed bot.
On March 23 2013 07:54 daSilvaz wrote: Watching CLG nowadays is so sad it's even funny....might aswell give the spot in LCS to a team t hat actually wants to try to achieve something
lol, come on really. even CLG at their worst is doing way better than the bottom 4 teams
On March 23 2013 07:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doublelift chose to farm the lane instead of recalling, costing the team the inhibitor.
No. He saw that they were going to get the turret no matter what, so he decided to try to get top to make up for it. He wasn't expecting them to keep pushing.
This is probably the worst outcome for Chaox. Wildturtle, and Doublelift both do well.
Doublelift didn't do well, at all, he was outplayed bot 2 times and only got back in the game because chauster camped lane and hotshot with tp, as well. Meanwhile TSM pushed mid/top tower and took a few dragons though.
On March 23 2013 07:54 daSilvaz wrote: Watching CLG nowadays is so sad it's even funny....might aswell give the spot in LCS to a team t hat actually wants to try to achieve something
lol, come on really. even CLG at their worst is doing way better than the bottom 4 teams
Nah, at least the bottom teams maybe except MRN are really trying. CLG looks like they are going to disband soon. I mean, wtf was that? No team play at all, it seems like they still spend time to argue while TSM was crushing them.
The picks and bans didn't help either. TSM picks Zed mid that means some very aggressive dive and CLG just picked all the squishy they can get. lol.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doublelift chose to farm the lane instead of recalling, costing the team the inhibitor.
No. He saw that they were going to get the turret no matter what, so he decided to try to get top to make up for it. He wasn't expecting them to keep pushing.
This is probably the worst outcome for Chaox. Wildturtle, and Doublelift both do well.
Doublelift didn't do well, at all, he was outplayed bot 2 times and only got back in the game because chauster camped lane and hotshot with tp, as well. Meanwhile TSM pushed mid/top tower and took a few dragons though.
Still had all the teams kills. #swag
Let's see if CLG manages to go negative! Also Dyrus is playing like a monster lately.
On March 23 2013 07:56 Louuster wrote: GJ TSM, is it just me or CLG look like they got much worse than they were at the beginning of the season, not sure whats happening there..
yeah. they looked so strong right after they picked up aphro. people like to blame their playstyle but when they make huge mistakes like in that last game you really can't blame their playstyle.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doublelift chose to farm the lane instead of recalling, costing the team the inhibitor.
No. He saw that they were going to get the turret no matter what, so he decided to try to get top to make up for it. He wasn't expecting them to keep pushing.
This is probably the worst outcome for Chaox. Wildturtle, and Doublelift both do well.
Doublelift didn't do well, at all, he was outplayed bot 2 times and only got back in the game because chauster camped lane and hotshot with tp, as well. Meanwhile TSM pushed mid/top tower and took a few dragons though.
Still had all the teams kills. #swag
Hotshot picked up one onto dyrus at the baron fight. Hotshot confirmed no.2 clg player.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doublelift chose to farm the lane instead of recalling, costing the team the inhibitor.
No. He saw that they were going to get the turret no matter what, so he decided to try to get top to make up for it. He wasn't expecting them to keep pushing.
This is probably the worst outcome for Chaox. Wildturtle, and Doublelift both do well.
Doublelift didn't do well, at all, he was outplayed bot 2 times and only got back in the game because chauster camped lane and hotshot with tp, as well. Meanwhile TSM pushed mid/top tower and took a few dragons though.
Thats true for sure. But I still dont get the Leona pick vs Draven. She shines at engaging obv, but do you rly want that vs a Draven Tresh lane ? Draven sooo strong early.
On March 23 2013 07:54 daSilvaz wrote: Watching CLG nowadays is so sad it's even funny....might aswell give the spot in LCS to a team t hat actually wants to try to achieve something
lol, come on really. even CLG at their worst is doing way better than the bottom 4 teams
Maybe so, but the others atleast try to improve, all i see from CLG is that they just dont give a fuck (or atleast seems so)
On March 23 2013 07:49 Mensol wrote: kick hsgg and link bring back jiji and pick the rain man.
success!
As long as CLG stubbornly believe only doublelift is allowed to carry I don't think they'll ever drop hotshot since he's the only top laner who will go 100% utility.
Maybe this will force them to admit that JiJi was not the problem.
Jiji was a problem, but he wasn't their only problem.
They are actually doing much, much worse without him. It's starting to seem like JiJi couldn't roam after watching Link, who was known for roaming yet hasn't at all since joining CLG.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Mensol wrote: kick hsgg and link bring back jiji and pick the rain man.
success!
As long as CLG stubbornly believe only doublelift is allowed to carry I don't think they'll ever drop hotshot since he's the only top laner who will go 100% utility.
Maybe this will force them to admit that JiJi was not the problem.
Jiji was a problem, but he wasn't their only problem.
They are actually doing much, much worse without him.
I'd say correlation doesn't equal causation. I don't see how link is doing worse than jiji
I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
I liked that Dyrus interview. I dunno if it's his voice, or the fact that he talks slowly so it feels like he says more stuff, but the laid-back, down-to-earth answers grew on me.
On March 23 2013 07:49 Sufficiency wrote: Doublelift chose to farm the lane instead of recalling, costing the team the inhibitor.
No. He saw that they were going to get the turret no matter what, so he decided to try to get top to make up for it. He wasn't expecting them to keep pushing.
This is probably the worst outcome for Chaox. Wildturtle, and Doublelift both do well.
Doublelift didn't do well, at all, he was outplayed bot 2 times and only got back in the game because chauster camped lane and hotshot with tp, as well. Meanwhile TSM pushed mid/top tower and took a few dragons though.
Thats true for sure. But I still dont get the Leona pick vs Draven. She shines at engaging obv, but do you rly want that vs a Draven Tresh lane ? Draven sooo strong early.
Draven's E > Leona's E, too. Fuck engaging, Draven no want, and Draven decides.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
On March 23 2013 08:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
I don't think jiji's attitude is that productive either... he just sits around and says nothing other thanoccasionally calling people retarded
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
So does TSM really just bring back Chaox next week? WildTurtle played so well, impressed me more than Chaox has recently. Turtle should easily get another week but I think TSM are too good of friends to keep Chaox on the bench. Teams need a manager in these sort of situations that can make the tough choices.
On March 23 2013 08:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
I don't think jiji's attitude is that productive either... he just sits around and says nothing other thanoccasionally calling people retarded
On March 23 2013 08:12 onlywonderboy wrote: So does TSM really just bring back Chaox next week? WildTurtle played so well, impressed me more than Chaox has recently. Turtle should easily get another week but I think TSM are too good of friends to keep Chaox on the bench. Teams need a manager in these sort of situations that can make the tough choices.
It's not a tough choice, the better player plays, always. You lose your job due to your own benching, that's on you.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
On March 23 2013 08:12 onlywonderboy wrote: So does TSM really just bring back Chaox next week? WildTurtle played so well, impressed me more than Chaox has recently. Turtle should easily get another week but I think TSM are too good of friends to keep Chaox on the bench. Teams need a manager in these sort of situations that can make the tough choices.
It's not a tough choice, the better player plays, always. You lose your job due to your own benching, that's on you.
TSM say they manage the bench based on effort not performance. So its up to Chaox to tryhard more than Tutle?
On March 23 2013 08:12 onlywonderboy wrote: So does TSM really just bring back Chaox next week? WildTurtle played so well, impressed me more than Chaox has recently. Turtle should easily get another week but I think TSM are too good of friends to keep Chaox on the bench. Teams need a manager in these sort of situations that can make the tough choices.
It's not a tough choice, the better player plays, always. You lose your job due to your own benching, that's on you.
TSM stuck with their lineup even when some of their players were ridiculously underperforming so I wouldn't say that
On March 23 2013 08:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
jiji doesn't even hang out with his team, lol. He was also the only one not in the CLG gaming house in S2.
On March 23 2013 08:12 onlywonderboy wrote: So does TSM really just bring back Chaox next week? WildTurtle played so well, impressed me more than Chaox has recently. Turtle should easily get another week but I think TSM are too good of friends to keep Chaox on the bench. Teams need a manager in these sort of situations that can make the tough choices.
For me the reason WT blended well into TSM 'cos both Reginald and WT love to play agrresive and that really shows in the last game. ChaoX on the other hand likes to play safe and just trying for cs unless the enemy really misplayed and give him free kills.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
IMO this mindset is what sets the NA scene so far behind the KR scene. Lack of willingness to try new players that potentially will do much better in the future - see Kiwikid for example.
On March 23 2013 08:12 onlywonderboy wrote: So does TSM really just bring back Chaox next week? WildTurtle played so well, impressed me more than Chaox has recently. Turtle should easily get another week but I think TSM are too good of friends to keep Chaox on the bench. Teams need a manager in these sort of situations that can make the tough choices.
It's not a tough choice, the better player plays, always. You lose your job due to your own benching, that's on you.
TSM stuck with their lineup even when some of their players were ridiculously underperforming so I wouldn't say that
No, you don't just use performance. Deciding who the better player is isn't just off a week or month of results. My point is the team should know its personnel pretty well. If one player isn't in good playing shape then he isn't much of a consideration in general.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
What free-agent? CLG can get almost every top-laner they want except top-laner from Curse/TSM/Dig. Yeah in the last game it was the whole team's fault but Hotshot for a long long time has always been the worst on CLG.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
IMO this mindset is what sets the NA scene so far behind the KR scene. Lack of willingness to try new players that potentially will do much better in the future - see Kiwikid for example.
There's just not the same talent pool. I mean NA has like 6 good teams, at most. Koreans can bench people easily because they have an almost endless supply of incredibly good kids
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
I am 100% sure that there are many people out there who are way better than HSGG. They are just not discovered yet.
On March 23 2013 08:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
jiji doesn't even hang out with his team, lol. He was also the only one not in the CLG gaming house in S2.
You think CLG suddenly became toxic at the end of s2?
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
I am 100% sure that there are many people out there who are way better than HSGG. They are just not discovered yet.
It's not like teams have their own dedicated scouts and agencies they've hired to scour the land for players, teams are really immature and underdeveloped in their talent scouting.
Aiyee, this is the reason I don't think the manager of a team should be a player as well. What is best for TSM is (at this moment in time, at least) letting WildTurtle play, but I know that TSM won't do it because of personal attachments to Chaox. I wouldn't make an official decision on this yet even as an executive, but I still think it is a disadvantage.
On March 23 2013 08:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
Yea same. All these calls for Jiji back are silly I think. He managed to get out and I hope he moves on to better teams.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
KiWiKiD says hi, you can find talent outside of the current players, they might just require some time to develop.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
On March 23 2013 08:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
Yea same. All these calls for Jiji back are silly I think. He managed to get out and I hope he moves on to better teams.
Were should he go? I mean let's face it, the height of his career is over. He's much better off financially sitting on the bench for CLG than playing for one of the newer teams
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
On March 23 2013 08:07 SHr3DD3r wrote: I am actually happy that jiji is not on CLG anymore. The teams attitude was oppressive and toxic - I have noticed that jiji has improved drastically since he left - hopefully he gets a more cohesive team.
CLG's main problem is their attitude more than anything.
jiji doesn't even hang out with his team, lol. He was also the only one not in the CLG gaming house in S2.
You think CLG suddenly became toxic at the end of s2?
I talked about this a few times already. I met CLG back in Seattle during the regionals at a eatery, but jiji was not with them. I asked about it and the way chauster said it sounded like jiji doesn't like to hang out with them.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
... which still takes a substantial amount of resources for potentially nothing. Again, CLG actually held open tryouts once and the results were not exactly stellar.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
I think over the past weeks of LCS, CRS/Dig/TSM all cemented themselves as top 3 while CLG is clearly not in contention anymore. Would you agree, or do you think if they keep the roster as is, they will somehow improve as a team (relative to the top 3)?
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
... which still takes a substantial amount of resources for potentially nothing.
That's kind of how professional development of new players is for most competitive team sports.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
... which still takes a substantial amount of resources for potentially nothing.
Or they keep playing with Hotshot and continue to under perform? They need to take some risks if they want to stay competitive, because their current roster sure as hell isn't doing much.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
... which still takes a substantial amount of resources for potentially nothing.
That's kind of how professional development of new players is for most competitive team sports.
Yeah, but eSports teams generally don't have these kinds of resources.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
... which still takes a substantial amount of resources for potentially nothing.
Or they keep playing with Hotshot and continue to under perform? They need to take some risks if they want to stay competitive, because their current roster sure as hell isn't doing much.
Can you really soley blame hotshot when they all play bad? The team as whole is in a slump
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
... which still takes a substantial amount of resources for potentially nothing.
Or they keep playing with Hotshot and continue to under perform? They need to take some risks if they want to stay competitive, because their current roster sure as hell isn't doing much.
Can you really soley blame hotshot when they all play bad? The team as whole is in a slump
I'd say he's contributing the least to the team at the moment. His champion pool just does not fit into the current meta, he needs to play Top laners that can actually apply pressure in lane and pick up some kills. There are comps when playing a tanky champ is warranted, but not every game.
Man those combos Gate-Stand United-Wild Growth. Who needs a Zhonya? Just bait them into crowding around TF for a free multi-targets taunt, ensure TF survives, and then Draven comes in to lay the damage while Udyr gets the stragglers and peels. So well thought out, I like.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
I think over the past weeks of LCS, CRS/Dig/TSM all cemented themselves as top 3 while CLG is clearly not in contention anymore. Would you agree, or do you think if they keep the roster as is, they will somehow improve as a team (relative to the top 3)?
I wouldn't use only a few weeks to establish a team as anything, Dignitas was doing horribly in the first few weeks. Curse and Dignitas are cemented as top 2 I feel, I can't count on TSM to be consistently top 3 yet though. We'll see what happens with wildturtle.
One thing I had never noticed is the sinergy between lulu/shen and tf. Tf can do some really ballsy ults if he knows they will be there to allow him to tank it out.
20s solo drake for Udyr, 30% CDR sup. I really like Marn's style, I hope to see them mature and improve enough to contend, they remind me a bit of Dig in their Rock Solid days.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
I think over the past weeks of LCS, CRS/Dig/TSM all cemented themselves as top 3 while CLG is clearly not in contention anymore. Would you agree, or do you think if they keep the roster as is, they will somehow improve as a team (relative to the top 3)?
I wouldn't use only a few weeks to establish a team as anything, Dignitas was doing horribly in the first few weeks. Curse and Dignitas are cemented as top 2 I feel, I can't count on TSM to be consistently top 3 yet though. We'll see what happens with wildturtle.
Dig played poorly the first week, they didn't lose a game week 2-4. Week 5 was a little rough but they've seemed to reign it back in.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
Then recruit him as a sub and play with him in scrims and see if he develops into someone you can compete with in the LCS. You don't have to bench Hotshot right away, but you can start training a replacement.
... which still takes a substantial amount of resources for potentially nothing.
Or they keep playing with Hotshot and continue to under perform? They need to take some risks if they want to stay competitive, because their current roster sure as hell isn't doing much.
Can you really soley blame hotshot when they all play bad? The team as whole is in a slump
I'd say he's contributing the least to the team at the moment. His champion pool just does not fit into the current meta, he needs to play Top laners that can actually apply pressure in lane and pick up some kills. There are comps when playing a tanky champ is warranted, but not every game.
Style would be important if they'd play their style perfectly and still loose. But at the moment they're failing to execute their basic play.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
I think over the past weeks of LCS, CRS/Dig/TSM all cemented themselves as top 3 while CLG is clearly not in contention anymore. Would you agree, or do you think if they keep the roster as is, they will somehow improve as a team (relative to the top 3)?
I wouldn't use only a few weeks to establish a team as anything, Dignitas was doing horribly in the first few weeks. Curse and Dignitas are cemented as top 2 I feel, I can't count on TSM to be consistently top 3 yet though. We'll see what happens with wildturtle.
Does this mean you think CLG has a shot at #3? If so, what odds would you give for that?
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
I think over the past weeks of LCS, CRS/Dig/TSM all cemented themselves as top 3 while CLG is clearly not in contention anymore. Would you agree, or do you think if they keep the roster as is, they will somehow improve as a team (relative to the top 3)?
I wouldn't use only a few weeks to establish a team as anything, Dignitas was doing horribly in the first few weeks. Curse and Dignitas are cemented as top 2 I feel, I can't count on TSM to be consistently top 3 yet though. We'll see what happens with wildturtle.
Does this mean you think CLG has a shot at #3? If so, what odds would you give for that?
Low, but TSM has shown they have a wide range of performance, and CLG can get it together. But frankly I think that their chemistry was bad enough when they were successful, so now that they are going through a difficult period I don't have much faith in them.
On March 23 2013 08:07 Sufficiency wrote: I hope Vulcan wins the game today too; I think if Vulcan wins Vulcan will have a very good chance taking the 4th place over CLG.
If Vulcan stops throwing they can do it. I support Vulcan too, maybe only maybe after this week Hotshot will finally wake up and recruit a new top and move on to full-time manager.
are you serious? there's no free agent in NA that would actually be a feasible improvement over him. I mean yeah, he's not doing so well at the moment, but everyone on CLG is playing bad when they throw games like the last one.
Really? If I asked you the same question at the end of S2, would you answer the same on this question?
It feels to me that before S3, few people were aware of MegaZero and kiwikid... and look how well they are doing right now.
Dig only recruited kiwi because they had to when they lost dominate. Remember when CLG actually held tryouts for their support spot? Finding a new player is very high risk and takes a huge amount of resources. I'm not saying there aren't toplaner that might be better than hotshot, I'm saying that there arent toplaner that are so much better that it's worth the hassle. I mean just imagine you bench hotshot, recruit a guy and then he doesn't work out with the team.
I think over the past weeks of LCS, CRS/Dig/TSM all cemented themselves as top 3 while CLG is clearly not in contention anymore. Would you agree, or do you think if they keep the roster as is, they will somehow improve as a team (relative to the top 3)?
I wouldn't use only a few weeks to establish a team as anything, Dignitas was doing horribly in the first few weeks. Curse and Dignitas are cemented as top 2 I feel, I can't count on TSM to be consistently top 3 yet though. We'll see what happens with wildturtle.
Does this mean you think CLG has a shot at #3? If so, what odds would you give for that?
Low, but TSM has shown they have a wide range of performance, and CLG can get it together. But frankly I think that their chemistry was bad enough when they were successful, so now that they are going through a difficult period I don't have much faith in them.
CLG will probably still finish 4th. Although this game against Vulcun is gonna be pretty important.
As much as it would suck, I think CLG needs to move Chauster back to support and kick Aphro. Not that he's playing that badly but they need to be able to compete at an international level in at least 1 area with what they have instead of splitting their strengths around, then they can focus on their other problems next. And having tryouts for jungle would go slightly better than for support.
A repeat of one of the TSM games from yesterday. 2v1 mid with pressure from the enemy jungler to make a 3v1 at times, but the one getting help from jungle Nasus allowing their bot to take tower faster than the enemy can take mid.
Phreaks analysis quite off, Tristana is pretty ass with just an IE. Like the very worst AD carry or something. Ezreal still stronger, especially as DLift should have a decent bank. By the way, I like how Link is suddenly the best player on CLG by far(well Doublelift has his moments).
Vul looking like they're not sure what to do vs Karthus team? Onus should be on them to make plays around Kat TP and Karthus ult CDs but they only do stuff whenever they're up zzz.
Everyone trying to be xiaoxiao this week; can't master the Sona battlecry
On March 23 2013 09:46 Shikyo wrote: By the way, I think that it's a great strategic decision to have HotshotGG on karthus who's designed around getting caught
It's obvious that CLG plans to kick Link so HSGG can play mid instead.
CLG extremely afraid of engaging. That was what, 20 minutes of CLG evading fights and eating spears? That's not exactly what you wanna do when you have a kat and the other team has nida.
On March 23 2013 10:18 BlackMagister wrote: Lol what how is CLG losing this. Vulcun's late game team is doing so well. One spear hits leads to successful engage.
Late game tristana and a karthus eating spears generally results in pain. Also clg goes negative :O
On March 23 2013 10:18 BlackMagister wrote: Lol what how is CLG losing this. Vulcun's late game team is doing so well. One spear hits leads to successful engage.
Late game tristana and a karthus eating spears generally results in pain. Also clg goes negative :O
I know, but it really seems like CLG should have won this in the late game with the massive lead they had, but then it entered late late game and Tristina and Nid melted CLG.
my one confusion with that game was LiNK going DFG, then backing off when they would send 1 person to stop his split push, isn't the entire purpose of going DFG to make only sending 1 a kill for link?
On March 23 2013 10:19 Badboyrune wrote: So karthus top not viable???
Karthus' who get blown up by nid spears 50 miles away from a fight are not viable thanks for this lesson clg.
More like brainiac HSGG goes rylais and liandrys and does no dmg
To be fair the rylais meant he got blown up one second later than he could have all the time so hey it kind of worked out.
OOOOOOR do like every other karthus does and go for as much dmg as possible and dive the fuck out of them
but this is clg, you need rylai's so you can sit in front of double lift and make it take forever to get to him. considering the champion picks, it's not a bad build, requiem is designed to get Kat resets moreso than karthus kills.
also if doublelift wants to keep calling himself the best mechanical ad NA he needs to stop putting so much value on Ezreal. MF in this comp would have been so much stronger but I'm sure he would just say she's easy/trash
On March 23 2013 10:19 Badboyrune wrote: So karthus top not viable???
Karthus' who get blown up by nid spears 50 miles away from a fight are not viable thanks for this lesson clg.
More like brainiac HSGG goes rylais and liandrys and does no dmg
To be fair the rylais meant he got blown up one second later than he could have all the time so hey it kind of worked out.
OOOOOOR do like every other karthus does and go for as much dmg as possible and dive the fuck out of them
but this is clg, you need rylai's so you can sit in front of double lift and make it take forever to get to him. considering the champion picks, it's not a bad build, requiem is designed to get Kat resets moreso than karthus kills.
also if doublelift wants to keep calling himself the best mechanical ad NA he needs to stop putting so much value on Ezreal. MF in this comp would have been so much stronger but I'm sure he would just say she's easy/trash
Doublelift says he hates playing ADs like urgot and MF so it's incredibly unlikely unless CLG really really force him to that he'll switch out of ezreal/vayne/caitlyn they should at least try allowing link to carry if they're going to allow doublelift to play ezreal though.
On March 23 2013 10:19 Badboyrune wrote: So karthus top not viable???
Karthus' who get blown up by nid spears 50 miles away from a fight are not viable thanks for this lesson clg.
More like brainiac HSGG goes rylais and liandrys and does no dmg
To be fair the rylais meant he got blown up one second later than he could have all the time so hey it kind of worked out.
OOOOOOR do like every other karthus does and go for as much dmg as possible and dive the fuck out of them
but this is clg, you need rylai's so you can sit in front of double lift and make it take forever to get to him. considering the champion picks, it's not a bad build, requiem is designed to get Kat resets moreso than karthus kills.
also if doublelift wants to keep calling himself the best mechanical ad NA he needs to stop putting so much value on Ezreal. MF in this comp would have been so much stronger but I'm sure he would just say she's easy/trash
What u say makes sense but in the end ur still theorizing(sp)? their thought proccess. I refuse to believe that as a team they decide not to go for a carry karthus not only for being karthus but even moreso after he went like 3-0 at like lvl 9. That would be so dumb i woudnt even be able to quantify it.
On March 23 2013 10:19 Badboyrune wrote: So karthus top not viable???
Karthus' who get blown up by nid spears 50 miles away from a fight are not viable thanks for this lesson clg.
More like brainiac HSGG goes rylais and liandrys and does no dmg
To be fair the rylais meant he got blown up one second later than he could have all the time so hey it kind of worked out.
OOOOOOR do like every other karthus does and go for as much dmg as possible and dive the fuck out of them
but this is clg, you need rylai's so you can sit in front of double lift and make it take forever to get to him. considering the champion picks, it's not a bad build, requiem is designed to get Kat resets moreso than karthus kills.
also if doublelift wants to keep calling himself the best mechanical ad NA he needs to stop putting so much value on Ezreal. MF in this comp would have been so much stronger but I'm sure he would just say she's easy/trash
I really don't understand why he picks ez if he is supposed to carry by himself.You should lose lane to anyone AND his late game isn't that good.It's pretty weird.
On March 23 2013 10:19 Badboyrune wrote: So karthus top not viable???
Karthus' who get blown up by nid spears 50 miles away from a fight are not viable thanks for this lesson clg.
More like brainiac HSGG goes rylais and liandrys and does no dmg
To be fair the rylais meant he got blown up one second later than he could have all the time so hey it kind of worked out.
OOOOOOR do like every other karthus does and go for as much dmg as possible and dive the fuck out of them
but this is clg, you need rylai's so you can sit in front of double lift and make it take forever to get to him. considering the champion picks, it's not a bad build, requiem is designed to get Kat resets moreso than karthus kills.
also if doublelift wants to keep calling himself the best mechanical ad NA he needs to stop putting so much value on Ezreal. MF in this comp would have been so much stronger but I'm sure he would just say she's easy/trash
What u say makes sense but in the end ur still theorizing(sp)? their thought proccess. I refuse to believe that as a team they decide not to go for a carry karthus not only for being karthus but even moreso after he went like 3-0 at like lvl 9. That would be so dumb i woudnt even be able to quantify it.
This is CLG they would make a 3-0 karthus serve as utility for doublelift because they're clg and they're that stubborn. Doublelift himself said in his AMA that CLG will make the 4 support 1 style work or lose trying no compromise.
On March 23 2013 10:19 Badboyrune wrote: So karthus top not viable???
Karthus' who get blown up by nid spears 50 miles away from a fight are not viable thanks for this lesson clg.
More like brainiac HSGG goes rylais and liandrys and does no dmg
To be fair the rylais meant he got blown up one second later than he could have all the time so hey it kind of worked out.
OOOOOOR do like every other karthus does and go for as much dmg as possible and dive the fuck out of them
but this is clg, you need rylai's so you can sit in front of double lift and make it take forever to get to him. considering the champion picks, it's not a bad build, requiem is designed to get Kat resets moreso than karthus kills.
also if doublelift wants to keep calling himself the best mechanical ad NA he needs to stop putting so much value on Ezreal. MF in this comp would have been so much stronger but I'm sure he would just say she's easy/trash
Doublelift says he hates playing ADs like urgot and MF so it's incredibly unlikely unless CLG really really force him to that he'll switch out of ezreal/vayne/caitlyn they should at least try allowing link to carry if they're going to allow doublelift to play ezreal though.
Now that saint is not on the team anymore to force him into picking shit-that-is-not-ezreal, I don't see it happening.
I know there is a lot of CLG.na's fan in here, so I will not put a nail in the coffin. But I still have to say... I was watching, I saw everything. I saw CLG.na lose, again and again, and I loved it.
Complexity, I sometimes want to defend you, I sometimes think you can become a legit contender but urm.... when you fail to give your buffs properly I do sometimes lose faith.
He'll play not ezreal/cait/vayne one match then make a post about how much adcs suck and switch back to those 3.
Everyone just bans Vayne now, part of his problem. Ez was nerfed and the Blood Boil nerf was a nerf to Cait.
I wonder what would happen if a team in a moment of yolo bans ezreal, caitlyn and vayne.
graves maybe? He can play adcs decently, as long as they have innate escapes. On ads without those, he just... dies.
Still don't understand why he doesn't play Trist.
€: which btw is why he was considered "best ad world" for a while, the ads with escape crutches happened to be the strongest ones too, and he's really good with those.
He'll play not ezreal/cait/vayne one match then make a post about how much adcs suck and switch back to those 3.
Everyone just bans Vayne now, part of his problem. Ez was nerfed and the Blood Boil nerf was a nerf to Cait.
I wonder what would happen if a team in a moment of yolo bans ezreal, caitlyn and vayne.
graves maybe? He can play adcs decently, as long as they have innate escapes. On ads without those, he just... dies.
Still don't understand why he doesn't play Trist.
You'd think trist would be perfect for him, allows to carry while still letting him get his precious escapes I wouldn't be surprised if that's no.1 on doublelifts to pick up list.
On March 23 2013 11:28 Slusher wrote: Nick wu goes balls deep, Chuuper Ryze just stands and watches.
They looked near dunk if only there was some kind of close range, high burst, tanky caster that complexity had which could compliment darius it'd be pretty useful shame there wasn't one for complexity that fight.
On March 23 2013 11:29 Slusher wrote: the fact that Dig isn't being punished for letting a Ryze team stay in it this long tells you everything you need to know about Chuuper.
hey, i'm late game ryze, kinda fed, too. better run around in circles.
i mean his stats were actually decent, and he still looked so bad.
he doesn't look that bad everywhere else but his teamfights must be the worst (by far) in all of lcs.
On March 23 2013 11:29 Slusher wrote: the fact that Dig isn't being punished for letting a Ryze team stay in it this long tells you everything you need to know about Chuuper.
Yep. Chuuper is absolutely the worst mid laner in the LCS.
I still giggle every time I think of him because of his Cassiopeia play from some of his earlier games.
On March 23 2013 11:34 MooMooMugi wrote: Both Dig and TSM 3-0 this week not bad, CLG 0/3 so disappointing..
I'm beginning to find that it's soda pressing watching CLG play now
Its wierd, your watching a trainwreck happen and you want them to recover and do well but on the other hand your excited to see what excuse they have next time and who will get benched this time.
On March 23 2013 12:48 JonGalt wrote: TEEESSSSSMMMMMM
I say they keep WildTurtle playing. Until Chaox proves he is better - why not? My allegiance is to TSM, not Chaox.
But seeing as I can't watch the games, is WildTurtle really making a difference or would thwy have won with Chaox anyway?
Wildturtle is beastin'. Aggressive playstyle meshes well.
To be honest, Chaox has been slipping since mid Season 2. Like I've been saying, rookie NA ADC's are really really good, they're just not on good teams.
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I completely missed that, any short summary without derailing the thread too much?
I'd also like to know. I missed MLG(Stupid Maths test)
Too funny you say Maths. People here in Lesotho say it and it was so strange. But now I say it too.
And to be honest, it makes sense. It is Mathematics, not Mathematic - why should it be Math and not Maths, amirite?
Because Math is an abbreviation. Also note that mathematics won't follow the same rules of plurals, because you can only do mathematics plurally, you can't do "a mathematic". Unless I'm confused, things that can only be done in the plural form are treated as singular grammatically.
edit: also Math is the plural form of Math. And you can't pluralize a plural word.
On March 23 2013 15:18 Gahlo wrote: Anybody know who does CLGs picks? Whoever picked Leona into Draven/Thresh needs to take a long look in the mirror.
Kinda interested in this as well. One week where DL played Urgot he said "in champ select I was just thinking "don't pick me Urgot, don't pick me Urgot" and they picked him Urgot. Does he not have a choice in his champ picks?
On March 23 2013 15:18 Gahlo wrote: Anybody know who does CLGs picks? Whoever picked Leona into Draven/Thresh needs to take a long look in the mirror.
Kinda interested in this as well. One week where DL played Urgot he said "in champ select I was just thinking "don't pick me Urgot, don't pick me Urgot" and they picked him Urgot. Does he not have a choice in his champ picks?
I think teams have a shotcaller for their picks. Same way Regi wouldn't let Dyrus play Singed for the longest time.
People saying CLG got their wake up call with these last performances are right, and well, that call was identified by the caller ID, ITS KARMA, and it came to bite LiftLift in the ass!
On March 23 2013 16:20 kleetzor wrote: People saying CLG got their wake up call with these last performances are right, and well, that call was identified by the caller ID, ITS KARMA, and it came to bite LiftLift in the ass!
On March 23 2013 16:20 kleetzor wrote: People saying CLG got their wake up call with these last performances are right, and well, that call was identified by the caller ID, ITS KARMA, and it came to bite LiftLift in the ass!
On March 23 2013 16:20 kleetzor wrote: People saying CLG got their wake up call with these last performances are right, and well, that call was identified by the caller ID, ITS KARMA, and it came to bite LiftLift in the ass!
On March 23 2013 16:20 kleetzor wrote: People saying CLG got their wake up call with these last performances are right, and well, that call was identified by the caller ID, ITS KARMA, and it came to bite LiftLift in the ass!
It's only a wakeup call if they actually change.
And by change you mean replace hotshot.
Uh, given my thoughts on DoraShotGG, no comment.
Obviously hsgg going to kick dl off team, and play adc, recruit woong to play top for clg. Then curse shoves cop to crs academy, and picks up doublelift.
Well, CLG now has all the time in the world to experiment. It'll be close to impossible to catch up to Curse/Dignitas, and equally hard to fall behind col/GGU. Better do roster changes now, if they plan to - still lots of experience to be gathered from the remaining games of the spring season. Maybe try switching DLift back to Blitzcrank and let Aphro AD carry or something...
On March 23 2013 10:16 xes wrote: How is this game still going on. I went to eat after CLG got 2nd free baron of the game.
I can't believe they didn't end the game yet l0l Vul probably going to win cuz CLG gonna start tilting.
CLG 0-3 TSM 3-0
best week of LCS yet
JohnGalt is gonna be so pumped.
You're god damn right I am. Cheered out loud as I read the twitter feed. Scared my host family hahaha. Rather hard to explain TSM, MOBAs, and LoL to people who don't know what a microwave is. And in Sesotho hahaha.
On March 23 2013 12:48 JonGalt wrote: TEEESSSSSMMMMMM
I say they keep WildTurtle playing. Until Chaox proves he is better - why not? My allegiance is to TSM, not Chaox.
But seeing as I can't watch the games, is WildTurtle really making a difference or would thwy have won with Chaox anyway?
Wildturtle is beastin'. Aggressive playstyle meshes well.
He'll probably make Regi look and play better too if they are both going aggressive. One of the reasons I love TSM is because of his usually dumb but somehow awesome flash ult aggression.
On March 22 2013 06:27 NeoIllusions wrote: While it was right for TSM to punish Chaox for his antics at MLG Dallas, I have doubts about WildTurtle replacing Chaox full time. @_@
I completely missed that, any short summary without derailing the thread too much?
I'd also like to know. I missed MLG(Stupid Maths test)
Too funny you say Maths. People here in Lesotho say it and it was so strange. But now I say it too.
And to be honest, it makes sense. It is Mathematics, not Mathematic - why should it be Math and not Maths, amirite?
Because Math is an abbreviation. Also note that mathematics won't follow the same rules of plurals, because you can only do mathematics plurally, you can't do "a mathematic". Unless I'm confused, things that can only be done in the plural form are treated as singular grammatically.
edit: also Math is the plural form of Math. And you can't pluralize a plural word.
Grammatically you are right. But Maths still makes more sense in my head
Easy solution for them is bench HSGG, move LiNk top, bring back jiji mid and see how that goes. Or else just keep LiNk mid and scout for a new top laner.
Glad I'm at PAX so I didn't get to see them get 0-3'd.
There's a lot of calls for benching Hotshot. While I feel that's not a bad decision I doubt if that will change anything. It seems like both him and Chauster are part of the problem and just removing one won't fix anything.
I honestly feel like chauster is just an underwhelming player, we cannot judge on his supposedly godlike shotcalling and theorycraft doublelift claims he has, but solely based on jungler performance he seems very mediocore. He was godlike as supp but he often looks like he has no mapawareness at all and just runs around randomly and he farms just as bad as snoopeh lol. had like 30 to oddones 80 cs yesterday and totally underleveld.
On March 23 2013 23:28 AsnSensation wrote: I honestly feel like chauster is just an underwhelming player, we cannot judge on his supposedly godlike shotcalling and theorycraft doublelift claims he has, but solely based on jungler performance he seems very mediocore. He was godlike as supp but he often looks like he has no mapawareness at all and just runs around randomly and he farms just as bad as snoopeh lol. had like 30 to oddones 80 cs yesterday and totally underleveld.
Yeah, his support was pretty beast. He's been okay in the Jungle, was way better before Lee Sin was nerfed.
On March 23 2013 23:28 AsnSensation wrote: I honestly feel like chauster is just an underwhelming player, we cannot judge on his supposedly godlike shotcalling and theorycraft doublelift claims he has, but solely based on jungler performance he seems very mediocore. He was godlike as supp but he often looks like he has no mapawareness at all and just runs around randomly and he farms just as bad as snoopeh lol. had like 30 to oddones 80 cs yesterday and totally underleveld.
He's always said jungling was his weakest role. He's a much much better support player. also Lee Sin nerfs... yeah, those hurt him, A LOT.
On March 24 2013 05:03 BlackMagister wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/league-of-legends/videos/doublelift-talks-about-losing-streak-and-chaox-rivalry-6405839/ Watched Doublelift interview it seemed like he was saying Draven is a good champ just not for our team, but then he went on to say no Draven is still a bad champion. Main reasoning behind their loss was they were out of practice with Chauster and not used to listening to his calls after just doing their own calls at MLG.
Did he seriously just say Jungle is less important than at IPL5? Waht.
I watched CLG v. Vulcan live like the last 10 mins, then rewatched the whole thing, and still dont know how CLG lost. My only explanation is they didn't take advantage of the point where DLift had like a 100 CS advantage over Zuna. Even though they kinda did, getting an inhib /some barons.
On March 24 2013 05:26 cLutZ wrote: I watched CLG v. Vulcan live like the last 10 mins, then rewatched the whole thing, and still dont know how CLG lost. My only explanation is they didn't take advantage of the point where DLift had like a 100 CS advantage over Zuna. Even though they kinda did, getting an inhib /some barons.
chauster playing like a pussy not engaging and everyone on clg just generally to afraid to do a mistake
Combination of Vulcun playing a bunch of fights really well, Hotshot's build (early Liandry's on Karthus is just really bad in the long run, don't do it) and then not getting enough farm allocated to him so his AP kept him relevant (Doublelift at 400 cs when he was at 200- never built a deathcap in a 55 minute game), and CLG never getting any of Vulcun to burn their flashes prior to Jarvan ult.
A lot of teamfights went like this: Chauster ults, everyone on Vulcun flashes out of Jarvan's ult or uses Thresh's lantern, CLG has no way of following up. They'd get a turret here and there, but given they got two barons for free, that wasn't enough. Vulcun was really good at disengaging.
Also CLG inexplicably backed away from a 5v4 while Zuna was off farming, and by the time they realized they had run from 4 people, they couldn't really do anything. If they had turned around sooner, they kill everyone and probably get a second inhibitor out of it, if not the outright win.
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