Still new to watching most teams and don't know the EU ones very well so here's a question:
What would their sort of power ranks be? Is it approximately in line with the results already? Some teams only have half the games of others though so I'm curious whether the field has set itself up yet.
On February 22 2013 15:01 bittman wrote: Still new to watching most teams and don't know the EU ones very well so here's a question:
What would their sort of power ranks be? Is it approximately in line with the results already? Some teams only have half the games of others though so I'm curious whether the field has set itself up yet.
EG, Fnatic, Gambit are considered a step above, however of those only EG is consistently winning right now.
SK we don't really know if they're top 4 or top 6.
Giants, DragonBorns, Wolves & aAa we have no idea really. The early weeks have been hard to gauge, they have caused upsets, lost stupidly or have been totally crushed. When they play their game, they can beat anyone. Give it a few weeks and we may be able to call who is where when we can see who can consistently play their game. The scores don't mean a whole lot right now due to the skewed nature of the early weeks (top experienced teams vs weaker, less experienced teams). Wolves don't have their full lineup, aAa have played once, etc.
On February 22 2013 15:46 onlywonderboy wrote: Alright Wolves fighting, THE ENTRANCE OF BJERGSEN. No pressure.
Wish they can pull a Vulcun and get a win or two this week, and that Bjergsen can handle the pressure. With the amount of hype and hope he received, it's going to be hard
On February 22 2013 15:01 bittman wrote: Still new to watching most teams and don't know the EU ones very well so here's a question:
What would their sort of power ranks be? Is it approximately in line with the results already? Some teams only have half the games of others though so I'm curious whether the field has set itself up yet.
I'd rank: EG (very powerful currently, however yet to be pushed out of their comfort zone) - GG (unless they continue to counterpick themselves and execute sloppily) - SK (unless they lose momentum completely) - fnatic (prevented from being higher as long as they slump) - Giants (could easily be higher if they keep up form) - DB (looked capable of endangering the top teams against SK, however not against EG) - Wolves (lots of bad luck, even though 0-5 didn't look too horrible, star players come back this week) - aAa (only one game yet, where they were stomped without a hope)
Fnatic even of slightly stronger than GG doesn't seem too farfetched although I still wonder if GG is actually trying out stuff in their LCS matches or if they just have super little slump right now again.
My biggest concern is Diamondprox with his seemingly small champ pool, now that Lee is only mediocore jungler and people always ban his Xin. I like that he's experimenting with new stuff like Voli but not sure if it's viable in the long run. Udyr+Shyvana also not soo good anymore =(
On February 23 2013 06:44 AsnSensation wrote: Fnatic even of slightly stronger than GG doesn't seem too farfetched although I still wonder if GG is actually trying out stuff in their LCS matches or if they just have super little slump right now again.
My biggest concern is Diamondprox with his seemingly small champ pool, now that Lee is only mediocore jungler and people always ban his Xin. I like that he's experimenting with new stuff like Voli but not sure if it's viable in the long run. Udyr+Shyvana also not soo good anymore =(
Everybody is there with GG, it's impossible to really understand their level. They seems weak, then 4-0 the Azubus back to back, then they come to LCS, play some random games. They feel really inconsistant and I'm not sure if it's because they are slumping or because they are not aiming for a 100 % win ratio.
Also Diamondprox play an amazing Mundo (and his champion pool is quite big, he just never shows it in competitive play).
Fnatic should still slap the Wolfs around with Bjergsen or not, that dude is must be a mesia to save the Wolfs from there bad sinergy. + he's overhyped.
On February 23 2013 22:52 Lysanias wrote: Fnatic should still slap the Wolfs around with Bjergsen or not, that dude is must be a mesia to save the Wolfs from there bad sinergy. + he's overhyped.
I don't like fnatic without reckless (i hate yellowstar) so i think they will lose to the wolves if the hype of the Wolves is justified. I'm also rooting for aAa (french power) and i hope they pull the upsets against all these teams.
On February 24 2013 02:24 Lylat wrote: Twitch stream lagging already :/
I got Free as my ISP, so it basically means LCS EU takes place during the time window where youtube+Twitch invariably lag for me. NA's actually smoother and easier to watch.
On February 24 2013 02:24 Lylat wrote: Twitch stream lagging already :/
I got Free as my ISP, so it basically means LCS EU takes place during the time window where youtube+Twitch invariably lag for me. NA's actually smoother and easier to watch.
Yep same for me, YT actually works better right now but on poor quality.. At least it's watchable so I won't complain
Is copenhagen wolves even trying to play as a team? There has been so many 3-4 man turret dives from FN and they aren't doing anything to stop it. Surrender it already... bad game.
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
Haha i was just thinking back on that, those coments come flying back so hard on him now. With the amount of early game ganks he got you would almost say Fnatic heard him say that.
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
I think every team is going to have a little misplaced confidence for all these LCS pregame interviews. What else are you going to say? "Oh, they're a strong team, we'll probably lose to them." lol...
Unless there's some underlying reason that you have, I don't see how that was Danish arrogance. :D
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
Haha i was just thinking back on that, those coments come flying back so hard on him now. With the amount of early game ganks he got you would almost say Fnatic heard him say that.
I missed the pre-game playing dishonoured what did he say.
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
I think every team is going to have a little misplaced confidence for all these LCS pregame interviews. What else are you going to say? "Oh, they're a strong team, we'll probably lose to them." lol...
Unless there's some underlying reason that you have, I don't see how that was Danish arrogance. :D
I've met Wolves at a big LAN in Denmark, and they really did everything to humiliate every single bad team, so bad that they were told not to pick troll champions, like AP trundle, They like to show-off is all i got to know from watching their games.
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
Haha i was just thinking back on that, those coments come flying back so hard on him now. With the amount of early game ganks he got you would almost say Fnatic heard him say that.
I missed the pre-game playing dishonoured what did he say.
Wolves lost to Fnatic a lot preseason but they lost Rekkles, which makes Fnatic weaker. He (Deficio) thinks they can beat Fnatic now.
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
Haha i was just thinking back on that, those coments come flying back so hard on him now. With the amount of early game ganks he got you would almost say Fnatic heard him say that.
I missed the pre-game playing dishonoured what did he say.
Basicly that Yellowstar was not that good, atleast not even close as Rekkles. And that He would destroy his lane. Just overconvidence that comes with age
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
I think every team is going to have a little misplaced confidence for all these LCS pregame interviews. What else are you going to say? "Oh, they're a strong team, we'll probably lose to them." lol...
Unless there's some underlying reason that you have, I don't see how that was Danish arrogance. :D
I've met Wolves at a big LAN in Denmark, and they really did everything to humiliate every single bad team, so bad that they were told not to pick troll champions, like AP trundle, They like to show-off is all i got to know from watching their games.
lol, well there you go. You know Wolves better than I. But that said, what I previously mentioned about pregame interviews is still pretty much the norm.
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
I think every team is going to have a little misplaced confidence for all these LCS pregame interviews. What else are you going to say? "Oh, they're a strong team, we'll probably lose to them." lol...
Unless there's some underlying reason that you have, I don't see how that was Danish arrogance. :D
I've met Wolves at a big LAN in Denmark, and they really did everything to humiliate every single bad team, so bad that they were told not to pick troll champions, like AP trundle, They like to show-off is all i got to know from watching their games.
lol, well there you go. You know Wolves better than I. But that said, what I previously mentioned about pregame interviews is still pretty much the norm.
Yeah you're are probably right too Still i really hope they improve, would be fun to see an all-nationality team like Gambit Gaming do well :D
On February 24 2013 02:49 daemir wrote: Can't really recommend this game, pure stomp from start to finish.
Worth watching if you hold a grudge against the Danish
That interview with Deficio pre-game was danish arrogance at its best.
I think every team is going to have a little misplaced confidence for all these LCS pregame interviews. What else are you going to say? "Oh, they're a strong team, we'll probably lose to them." lol...
Unless there's some underlying reason that you have, I don't see how that was Danish arrogance. :D
I've met Wolves at a big LAN in Denmark, and they really did everything to humiliate every single bad team, so bad that they were told not to pick troll champions, like AP trundle, They like to show-off is all i got to know from watching their games.
lol, well there you go. You know Wolves better than I. But that said, what I previously mentioned about pregame interviews is still pretty much the norm.
Yeah you're are probably right too Still i really hope they improve, would be fun to see an all-nationality team like Gambit Gaming do well :D
With a Team house and plenty of competition i am sure they will become alot better very soon. This might be the best place for any team to get to the next level of play.
On February 24 2013 03:09 DragoonTT wrote: So, bets on GG not banning Kennen because they want to beat Giants' signature champs?
They already tried once, did not go pleasantly for them. On the other hand I wouldn't be surprised if they target jimbz now because I haven't seen him off ashe/kennen.
On February 24 2013 03:16 WhiteDog wrote: To be fair, YellowPete is bad in comparaison to Rekless, even nRated said that in the last AMA fnatic had.
Though i agree with that Rekkles has more potential then YellowStar, that does not make YellowStar bad, he keeps being solid in most games vs the top end teams( they are 3-1 atm ffs) so what he's not the star of the team ? Fact is he does not need to be they have Xpeke or sOAZ or as last game Cyanide.
Unless jungle Nasus terrifails, I'd say GG has this from picks alone. You really can't pick Akali when the other team has Nasus as a possible jungler and the possibility to pick Renekton still.
On February 24 2013 03:16 WhiteDog wrote: To be fair, YellowPete is bad in comparaison to Rekless, even nRated said that in the last AMA fnatic had.
Though i agree with that Rekkles has more potential then YellowPete, that does not make YellowPete bad, he keeps being solid in most games vs the top end teams( they are 3-1 atm ffs) so what he's not the star of the team ? Fact is he does not need to be they have Xpeke or sOAZ or as last game Cyanide.
Are you guys talking about YellowPete or Yellowstar?
On February 24 2013 03:16 WhiteDog wrote: To be fair, YellowPete is bad in comparaison to Rekless, even nRated said that in the last AMA fnatic had.
Though i agree with that Rekkles has more potential then YellowPete, that does not make YellowPete bad, he keeps being solid in most games vs the top end teams( they are 3-1 atm ffs) so what he's not the star of the team ? Fact is he does not need to be they have Xpeke or sOAZ or as last game Cyanide.
Are you guys talking about YellowPete or Yellowstar?
Updated sorry, those names look to much like another
On February 24 2013 03:16 WhiteDog wrote: To be fair, YellowPete is bad in comparaison to Rekless, even nRated said that in the last AMA fnatic had.
Though i agree with that Rekkles has more potential then YellowPete, that does not make YellowPete bad, he keeps being solid in most games vs the top end teams( they are 3-1 atm ffs) so what he's not the star of the team ? Fact is he does not need to be they have Xpeke or sOAZ or as last game Cyanide.
On February 24 2013 03:25 Innuendo wrote: I don't know how Tresh works, but does his cage also keeps ppl in so Nasus can keep hitting them?
His ult slows every person breaking a wall (by touching it) by 99% for 2s (so something like 110-150 MS with the soft/hard caps). However, his lantern can be dropped at a distance, and the first allied champ to click it will be teleported to Thresh along with it, it helps immensely with lane ganks.
Darien using his ults way too early today for my taste, if you activate ult when both champs are roughly full hp, I would just run away or shroud myself, since he doesn't buy any pinks to counter akali..
4 really squishy targets for Nasus to club in the head. At least Akali should pick up some hp soon. Pink ward and it's death in every team fight from a couple of hits from nasus+kayle
Let's be honest, if I told you a month ago that there would be a pro game with Jungle Voli and Jungle Nasus and both would be instrumental in their team comps, you'd laugh.
On February 24 2013 03:47 Requizen wrote: Let's be honest, if I told you a month ago that there would be a pro game with Jungle Voli and Jungle Nasus and both would be instrumental in their team comps, you'd laugh.
On February 24 2013 03:48 Alaric wrote: Was Sona's ult on cooldown during the fight near mid? I couldn't see with the resolution but it seemed it was still on CD for a few seconds.
He used it onto thresh and nasus when TF TP'd on top of them.
On February 24 2013 03:47 Requizen wrote: Let's be honest, if I told you a month ago that there would be a pro game with Jungle Voli and Jungle Nasus and both would be instrumental in their team comps, you'd laugh.
Pretty much yeah, I am very happy to see the bear FINALLY being played. Not sure about Nasus thou to be honest but it's working pretty well.
On February 24 2013 03:47 Requizen wrote: Let's be honest, if I told you a month ago that there would be a pro game with Jungle Voli and Jungle Nasus and both would be instrumental in their team comps, you'd laugh.
The whole world looks to Diamond.
That respect.
Aside from Saint he is the only one really experimenting. Tho i guess Saint is doing more goofy jungles while Diamond really tries to find alternate options
On February 24 2013 03:47 Requizen wrote: Let's be honest, if I told you a month ago that there would be a pro game with Jungle Voli and Jungle Nasus and both would be instrumental in their team comps, you'd laugh.
The whole world looks to Diamond.
That respect.
Aside from Saint he is the only one really experimenting. Tho i guess Saint is doing more goofy jungles while Diamond really tries to find alternate options
I dont see much junglers in Korea or EU copying Saint..
On February 24 2013 03:48 Alaric wrote: Was Sona's ult on cooldown during the fight near mid? I couldn't see with the resolution but it seemed it was still on CD for a few seconds.
He used it onto thresh and nasus when TF TP'd on top of them.
I meant during the previous teamfight after Ez got picked off. I'm behind because I have to use youtube and even then my ISP makes it lag. :< I reload to catch up after the games end. >_>
I noticed that if Thresh dies during his Q, the pull won't continue but the stun will remain for the normal duration. Or so it seemed.
On February 24 2013 03:47 Requizen wrote: Let's be honest, if I told you a month ago that there would be a pro game with Jungle Voli and Jungle Nasus and both would be instrumental in their team comps, you'd laugh.
The whole world looks to Diamond.
That respect.
Aside from Saint he is the only one really experimenting. Tho i guess Saint is doing more goofy jungles while Diamond really tries to find alternate options
I dont see much junglers in Korea or EU copying Saint..
because as i said Saint is more about goofy alternative junglers while Diamond finds solid alternatives. But you cant deny that Saint (mostly in soloQ) is not above trying out "odd" jungelers.
Thresh with more armor than Nasus has with Bulwark, while Thresh not having Bulwark aura, real. Looks like real balanced champ, but I don't mind having some OP supporting
On February 24 2013 03:47 Requizen wrote: Let's be honest, if I told you a month ago that there would be a pro game with Jungle Voli and Jungle Nasus and both would be instrumental in their team comps, you'd laugh.
The whole world looks to Diamond.
That respect.
Aside from Saint he is the only one really experimenting. Tho i guess Saint is doing more goofy jungles while Diamond really tries to find alternate options
I dont see much junglers in Korea or EU copying Saint..
because as i said Saint is more about goofy alternative junglers while Diamond finds solid alternatives. But you cant deny that Saint (mostly in soloQ) is not above trying out "odd" jungelers.
Only in soloQ :D Saint is a player that mostly will only play 1 or 2 junglers in a tourney. His flavor champion he always play, but that is what you when you need to stream for Curse.
I hope people stop picking teams with triple squishies after this week. We've seen it again and again, it barely ever works any more, and you're very susceptible to comebacks. Not to say Giants didn't misplay their advantage, but with the sides reversed, Giants would have been much harder pressed to turn the tables
Love the Nasus, though. Never realized Wither's range was that large
they need to learn how to spend their time in lategame. Both Samux and Exter wasted soooooo much time in either top or bot lane when they had no reason whatsoever to be there. Either split push (as in actually apply pressure) or stay with your team.
Well, it was a closer game than I expected after bot lane got wrecked by thresh.
Also frankly thresh has too much utility and benefits in his kit, but that complaint has been common, big mistake not to ban him
On February 24 2013 04:07 Tula wrote: they need to learn how to spend their time in lategame. Both Samux and Exter wasted soooooo much time in either top or bot lane when they had no reason whatsoever to be there. Either split push (as in actually apply pressure) or stay with your team.
Well, it was a closer game than I expected after bot lane got wrecked by thresh.
Also frankly thresh has too much utility and benefits in his kit, but that complaint has been common, big mistake not to ban him
More like other supports don't have enough.If riot want to enforce this meta they should encourage it by giving us more champions like thresh or buffing some others so they can compete.
Thresh gets too much armor for free and every move in his kit has massive utility for teamfighting, but it's very entertaining to watch a support that really can make the plays.
blames everything on stuff being OP, box is op because cait flashed and netted and still died, I mean, she got hit by a grab, to eat it in the first place, and Alex STILL had to flash to get the kill, so box+ grab beat out net and thats it.
also she outplayed herself by burning flash and still breaking one of the walls.
That was a really enjoyable game, Thresh and Nasus at the same time! I remember something they said mid game in the lines of "who said LCS was boring?" I will start to believe that it is the NA part of it what leaves me cold
On February 24 2013 04:07 Tula wrote: they need to learn how to spend their time in lategame. Both Samux and Exter wasted soooooo much time in either top or bot lane when they had no reason whatsoever to be there. Either split push (as in actually apply pressure) or stay with your team.
Well, it was a closer game than I expected after bot lane got wrecked by thresh.
Also frankly thresh has too much utility and benefits in his kit, but that complaint has been common, big mistake not to ban him
More like other supports don't have enough.If riot want to enforce this meta they should encourage it by giving us more champions like thresh or buffing some others so they can compete.
or that but the nail that stands out always gets hammered
If the supports are supposed to make or break the game just as any other role can, than we need quite a few buffs or reworks for the other guys
On February 24 2013 04:35 Fusilero wrote: Nidalee ban, I am too okay with this. I think renekton is rapidly approaching my most hated champion I'm already sick of him.
Bjergsen so far ahead of Orianna in farm. Well, with her Flash down she can't take risks with Volibear though, she'll eat a 5-6 spheres ult if she gets Q'd.
Orianna died, but that ult to stop Volibear from getting her was beautiful.
Yeah I know Locket's good against burst, but since apart from Syndra's ult Wolves' damage isn't very burst oriented (Volibear waits a bit before he can use W well) I wonder if sitting on kindlegem and finishing aegis then wouldn't be stronger, timing-wise.
He probably thought he'd die even with it, or maybe the crits from Ezreal surprised him and he didn't have time (E+crit with IE+BFS+long sword is a fuckton of burst damage). Did they show Syndra's skill order?
I don't get these teams. If you aren't going to contest the baron don't stand around it. Just go get a trade instead of doing absolutely nothing by standing around it and dying. I guess it's Solo Q mentality
On February 24 2013 05:11 Numy wrote: I don't get these teams. If you aren't going to contest the baron don't stand around it. Just go get a trade instead of doing absolutely nothing by standing around it and dying. I guess it's Solo Q mentality
Agree, threaten to push in mid if you want to peel a team from Baron. But don't go in there one by one to have a peek ...
I'm gonna be honest, I do not see how wolves plan on winning a map all season maybe they need more time but TheTess man I haven't seen a solid game from him ever.
On February 24 2013 05:22 Anakko wrote: why ever pick blitz now that thresh is available? It looks to me like he is an improved blitz, much more versatile and strong
Thresh's Q doesn't get you through walls, so they can't win games the way a Blitz hook would if your team can't engage over walls. (There you can reminisce M5 at Kiev, using Flashes and dashes like Shyvana's ult to engage over an excellent Anivia wall.)
On February 24 2013 05:06 Innuendo wrote: Tess dead without using barrier
Tess has seemed like a fairly weak AD player for most of the LCS so far (at least compared to the other ADs).
Quite the understatement. Tess manages to get farmed but he never looks like he can amount to any damage in team fights.
Bjergsen is probably Wolves' only "good" player. I can't see anyone else on Wolves shouldering any of that weight. Individually, they're subpar. Together, they're not that much better either.
Renekton didn't have a SINGLE armor item yet he never died.How does that even work lol...As an adc maining player thetess makes me cry with his teamfights.
On February 24 2013 05:06 Innuendo wrote: Tess dead without using barrier
Tess has seemed like a fairly weak AD player for most of the LCS so far (at least compared to the other ADs).
Quite the understatement. Tess manages to get farmed but he never looks like he can amount to any damage in team fights.
Bjergsen is probably Wolves' only "good" player. I can't see anyone else on Wolves shouldering any of that weight. Individually, they're subpar. Together, they're not that much better either.
when last week he didnt play and cowtard(?) played ad i thought he was SOOOO much better ad than tess. As soon as the games started today I commented that with my brother, and said that would be very hard for bjergsen to carry tess. I'm sad I was right because i wanted CW to finally do well
On February 24 2013 05:33 Fwmeh wrote: neither team really impressing. With that lead, aAa should have won more cleanly.
With that lead, EG would have needed an extra 10 minutes to finish the game :p
But it would have been clean as fuck ^^
I don't think CW took down any inner turrets, they were not even close to get any baron, and the closest they got to getting an ace was killing 3 people. aAa's play felt shaky to me during the first minutes, but quite solid afterwards.
On February 24 2013 05:42 Alaric wrote: That interview had me laughing a bit, but I expect TL to rant about how awkward it was.
NoNo fell a bit "short" ... or was the interview to "short" to get a "short" insight in the mind of a guy who had the "short"draw of the stick to do the interview in the first place.
Ofc i am not trying to say NoNo is a little guy in all this nonsense.
On February 24 2013 05:06 Innuendo wrote: Tess dead without using barrier
Tess has seemed like a fairly weak AD player for most of the LCS so far (at least compared to the other ADs).
Quite the understatement. Tess manages to get farmed but he never looks like he can amount to any damage in team fights.
Bjergsen is probably Wolves' only "good" player. I can't see anyone else on Wolves shouldering any of that weight. Individually, they're subpar. Together, they're not that much better either.
Which is a shame because they looked pretty good in the LCS qualifiers even without Bjergsen, TheTess especially. But I guess they just can't keep up with the top teams. That makes me sad
EG only had one match to practice for this week, so I'm going to go with them as well. It seems hard for Fnatic especially without their real AD carry. Yellowstar doesn't make up enough for it.
On February 24 2013 05:42 Alaric wrote: That interview had me laughing a bit, but I expect TL to rant about how awkward it was.
why, I don't even know who was interviewed since I was only listening from my second monitor but he sounded cool^^
He implied that DL feels that AD Carries are powerless because CLG almost exclusively plays comps that are low on damage aside from him, putting responsibility on him and making them vulnerable to dive comp that only focus him, so he's got a point in my book.
I don't know if this have been mentioned before, but what is the reason they don't show which team bans which champions anymore (like on each teams side on the teamselect).
On February 24 2013 06:14 doppr wrote: I don't know if this have been mentioned before, but what is the reason they don't show which team bans which champions anymore (like on each teams side on the teamselect).
On February 24 2013 06:14 doppr wrote: I don't know if this have been mentioned before, but what is the reason they don't show which team bans which champions anymore (like on each teams side on the teamselect).
On February 24 2013 06:14 doppr wrote: I don't know if this have been mentioned before, but what is the reason they don't show which team bans which champions anymore (like on each teams side on the teamselect).
Smash mentioned he managed to play some Blitz top at his level during s2, but that was so long ago (plus there were less obnoxious champs like Jayce, Kha, Rengar, Darius to fuck him up).
On February 24 2013 06:19 Alaric wrote: Smash mentioned he managed to play some Blitz top at his level during s2, but that was so long ago (plus there were less obnoxious champs like Jayce, Kha, Rengar, Darius to fuck him up).
If this works Shake gonna claim hipster status lol.
On February 24 2013 06:28 Numy wrote: Why are those bushes so broken for pink wards. It seems to be a common occurance that a pink ward in same bush can't see the enemy team ward
It takes like 3 (maybe even 4) wards to have complete vision of the banana bushes.
On February 24 2013 06:12 sinii wrote: Froggen gets Anivia, confused why Fanatic let it happen. Seems risky?
Going to be a very interesting game.
xPeke can handle froggen's anivia.
huehue quick question : did Froggen ever failed in a tournament game when he had Anivia ?
not failed mechanically but failed buid wise vs TPA @ ipl5 where he really let Toyz come back on Orianna with 0/2 and lvl 4 when froggen was already lvl 6
Okokokok, someone explain to me why Froggen is playing anivia and why everyone is playing volibear. Its scary every EU team plays volibear and two dota teams pick up ursa. In the same day.
On February 24 2013 06:12 sinii wrote: Froggen gets Anivia, confused why Fanatic let it happen. Seems risky?
Going to be a very interesting game.
xPeke can handle froggen's anivia.
huehue quick question : did Froggen ever failed in a tournament game when he had Anivia ?
not failed mechanically but failed buid wise vs TPA @ ipl5 where he really let Toyz come back on Orianna with 0/2 and lvl 4 when froggen was already lvl 6
I edited it in my last post but I looked it up, it was tear, chalice, hextech revolver, Spirit Visage, WotA, sold Spirit Visage, bought Dcap, and was sitting an a random Giant's belt.
I thought Yellowstar had dced or something. Fking genius right there
EDIT: I also love how Fnatic are working their team comp. The Kayle is going more carry build while the blitz fills in for secondary support that a jungler normally does.
The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
On February 24 2013 06:41 Alaric wrote: The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
The way they're distributing farm and Blitzcrank is building, I don't see that happening. Kayle is 3rd position, not Blitz.
On February 24 2013 06:41 Alaric wrote: The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
Blitz/Leona only need to CC. With Kayle ult Katarina can get resets guaranteed every single fight as long as Fnatic initiates (and it's really easy to initiate when you have both Blitz and Leona on your team).
I'm pretty sure Fnatic came up with this comp specifically to counter EG's turtle Anivia style.
On February 24 2013 06:41 Alaric wrote: The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
Blitz/Leona only need to CC. With Kayle ult Katarina can get resets guaranteed every single fight as long as Fnatic initiates (and it's really easy to initiate when you have both Blitz and Leona on your team).
I'm pretty sure Fnatic came up with this comp specifically to counter EG's turtle Anivia style.
That's true, but still I agree that Blitz is a surprisingly decent bruiser
On February 24 2013 06:46 Requizen wrote: Pardon my french, but Fnatic's teamcomp is full of douche. It's just a bunch of champs that are fucking annoying to play against.
Yeah but they're amazing to see as a spectator. Anivia on the other end? Fuck that turtling bitch, Flash-Daybreak Shield and Rocket Grab is where it's at!
On February 24 2013 06:41 Alaric wrote: The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
Blitz/Leona only need to CC. With Kayle ult Katarina can get resets guaranteed every single fight as long as Fnatic initiates (and it's really easy to initiate when you have both Blitz and Leona on your team).
I'm pretty sure Fnatic came up with this comp specifically to counter EG's turtle Anivia style.
That's true, but still I agree that Blitz is a surprisingly decent bruiser
Well, I think the thing that made solo Blitz viable was putting him into a 1v2 lane. He didn't need farm, so instead of giving it to him they denied Wickd.
Hard engage is the way to deal with anivia. Fnatic definitely picked really well to counter anivia. When you can dive turrets with impunity it's not hard to beat anivia before she gets 3-4 items.
On February 24 2013 06:46 Usagi wrote: I remember the S2 semifinals game that dropped.. it was the same thing, blitzcrank can oppener to get anivia.
Yes was remembering the same thing, WE basically figured out that Blitz counters clg eu's turtlestyle. And then there was the lucky dc for clg and then they banned blitz in every game.
ALSO REKKLES WHO?? NOBODY DOES THE PRETEND TO BE DC/GET CAUGHT BAITS AS GOOD AS YELLOWSTAR
On February 24 2013 06:41 Alaric wrote: The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
Blitz/Leona only need to CC. With Kayle ult Katarina can get resets guaranteed every single fight as long as Fnatic initiates (and it's really easy to initiate when you have both Blitz and Leona on your team).
I'm pretty sure Fnatic came up with this comp specifically to counter EG's turtle Anivia style.
That's true, but still I agree that Blitz is a surprisingly decent bruiser
Well, I think the thing that made solo Blitz viable was putting him into a 1v2 lane. He didn't need farm, so instead of giving it to him they denied Wickd.
I didn't expect him to do this well 1v2 actually, he maintained equal farm compared to Wickd's Renekton for a long time.
On February 24 2013 06:49 nxk wrote: Why would someone not recommend this game?
Requizen probably voted No considering his post saying he hates that comp.
Such a smart draft/teamcomp/etc from Fnatic, a real joy to watch and I'm preemptively looking forward to the writeup Really good use of the nature of 1v2 laneswaps and farm allocation; opens up a lot of possibilities!
In most team fights or catches xPeke would use Rylai's dagger to slow the entire enemy team so that SoaZ could get really easy hooks. Then if they didn't hook Froggen, nRated would run straight in and just keep Froggen out of the entire fight. On top of all that they have Kayle ult to keep Peke alive for resets, save MF if she gets caught/goes too aggressive, or like in that last fight use it on Leona after she hard zones Froggen (or yellowpete if they hook Froggen).
When it plays out they essentially eliminate the AP mid or AD carry for most of the fight (or both if they land the Blitz hook on the AD/AP).
On February 24 2013 06:41 Alaric wrote: The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
Blitz/Leona only need to CC. With Kayle ult Katarina can get resets guaranteed every single fight as long as Fnatic initiates (and it's really easy to initiate when you have both Blitz and Leona on your team).
I'm pretty sure Fnatic came up with this comp specifically to counter EG's turtle Anivia style.
That's true, but still I agree that Blitz is a surprisingly decent bruiser
Well, I think the thing that made solo Blitz viable was putting him into a 1v2 lane. He didn't need farm, so instead of giving it to him they denied Wickd.
Blitz is a strong 1v1 laner though. Overdrive gives a very respectable 62% attack speed, he has a low CD knock-up/auto-reset and his ultimate gives him a free Sunfire Cape at level 6.
On February 24 2013 06:41 Alaric wrote: The commentators are really underestimating how surprisingly strong Blitz can be if the game really went to late where he gets to actually build damage items.
Blitz/Leona only need to CC. With Kayle ult Katarina can get resets guaranteed every single fight as long as Fnatic initiates (and it's really easy to initiate when you have both Blitz and Leona on your team).
I'm pretty sure Fnatic came up with this comp specifically to counter EG's turtle Anivia style.
That's true, but still I agree that Blitz is a surprisingly decent bruiser
Well, I think the thing that made solo Blitz viable was putting him into a 1v2 lane. He didn't need farm, so instead of giving it to him they denied Wickd.
Blitz is a strong 1v1 laner though. Overdrive gives a very respectable 62% attack speed, he has a low CD knock-up/auto-reset and his ultimate gives him a free Sunfire Cape at level 6.
Right, but a farmed Blitz is worse than a lot of other farmed top laners. An unfarmed Blitz is a lot better than a lot of other unfarmed top laners.
Though your point was about Fnatic's comp when mine was about the commentator's evaluation of Fnatic's lategame, so it all evens out in the end I guess.
On February 24 2013 06:50 Haasts wrote: Such a smart draft/teamcomp/etc from Fnatic, a real joy to watch and I'm preemptively looking forward to the writeup Really good use of the nature of 1v2 laneswaps and farm allocation; opens up a lot of possibilities!
Blitz went top on purple side. It was EG who swapped the lanes.
I really hope that LoL transitions more into the 1-5 positions of dota where same champs gets different farm depending on what their role is in a strat. Here the jungler played 3 while a Blitz top played 4 in Fnatic compared to how EG usually play with Froggen as 1, Wickd as 2 and Yellowpete as 3.
Right, but a farmed Blitz is worse than a lot of other farmed top laners. An unfarmed Blitz is a lot better than a lot of other unfarmed top laners.
I also think the 1v2 lane was a mistake, for the same reason. Guess their idea was that Blitz was weak 1v2 but Soaz managed fine and didn't feed.
In terms of 1v1 Blitz is good but surely Renekton will do fine against him, can any champion at all reliably beat Renekton in lane in s3?
there is no real reliable champion to pick to shut down Renekton, there is lots of champions that do okay or equal (obviously a few who struggle as well)
On February 24 2013 07:03 AsnSensation wrote: kinda sad for the young fellas from Copenhagen wolves^^ even worse than vulcun/MRN, I wonder if CW would be easily top 3 in NA LCS.
hopefully they get their first win soon to get some morale boost^^
NA hate is all good but a bit too much here .Pretty sure they'd get beaten a lot as well.Unless their adc steps up and they stop fighting 2v3 behind turrets I don't see them winning lol.
Fanatic def did their homework. What a beautiful designed comp. With Blitz they were also able to steal blue and deny that from Froggen. This reminds me a lot of GSL where u have these tailored strategies on certain maps / matchups.
Yeah but the point with Panth is that by 6 you've already trashed your opponent. Pressure, kill or force back, snowball the tiniest advantages and then zone. His levels 1 and 3 are arguably stronger than Renek's, but now you can't put him at risk of dying so early anymore because he'll start mass pots, so added to his sustain, manaless status, and good base damage it makes him really safe, hard to push out of lane, while remaining very strong aggressively.
On February 24 2013 07:03 Alaric wrote: Panth used to > Renekton, but there's no way he beats him with a mass consumables start. Panth not manaless.
Once they got 6 unless Panth engage with ult or poke Renek I'm pretty sure Renek pwn him in 1v1 thanks to his ult
Panth can poke pretty hard without engaging and has a MS advantage on renekton. He doesn't just go straight in and try to 100-0 renek. Renek needs to E through creeps and again onto panth to make up that distance, and then probably doesn't have enough fury to do an empowered W or Q on panth.
The problem is, league of consumables means renek will just tank out panth's whole mana bar.
Woah woah woah Blitz top and they let Froggen get Anivia?
Def. gotta check this out.
edit: I know I should never question Froggen's build on Anivia but WoTa first major item with no other relevant AP on the team??? Even with something like an AP top, I've never seen WoTa on an Anivia anyway.
Funny how Froggen is whining on twitter that they played Ezreal instead of Varus which they practised more. IMo varus would have been even more screwed against that comp. No espcapes
Looking back at the game I think their major mistake was laneswapping (or accepting the laneswap).
Fnatics composition relied heavily on getting ahead early. Forcing blitz to lane against renekton and the duo lanes as duo would have allowed them to defend their towers for quite a bit longer. Leading to a much different midgame.
Regarding their picks, I'm not really a fan of Sona anymore. Yes the ultimate is one of the strongest CCs and she does offer good sustain, but against any kind of reset char her absolute squishyness (if that is a word) offers pretty much a free reset if she is caught even a tiny bit out of position.
All in all Fnatic deserved that win by preparing better, but I think EG also reacted inappropriately to deal with their off the wall composition. If someone basically runs 2 supports by picking such a weak top laner, you shouldn't rush through into the mid game, but rather try to extent early laning as long as possible to get ahead. Fact is, Blitz really can't lane worth shit against Renekton and Kat has a miserable time farming against Anivia. Those were the openings they might have exploited, instead they let themselves be pushed around and paid for it.
On February 24 2013 22:17 Tula wrote: Looking back at the game I think their major mistake was laneswapping (or accepting the laneswap).
Fnatics composition relied heavily on getting ahead early. Forcing blitz to lane against renekton and the duo lanes as duo would have allowed them to defend their towers for quite a bit longer. Leading to a much different midgame.
Regarding their picks, I'm not really a fan of Sona anymore. Yes the ultimate is one of the strongest CCs and she does offer good sustain, but against any kind of reset char her absolute squishyness (if that is a word) offers pretty much a free reset if she is caught even a tiny bit out of position.
All in all Fnatic deserved that win by preparing better, but I think EG also reacted inappropriately to deal with their off the wall composition. If someone basically runs 2 supports by picking such a weak top laner, you shouldn't rush through into the mid game, but rather try to extent early laning as long as possible to get ahead. Fact is, Blitz really can't lane worth shit against Renekton and Kat has a miserable time farming against Anivia. Those were the openings they might have exploited, instead they let themselves be pushed around and paid for it.
No way. Blitz is hard as fuck to tower dive (oh, your support is taking tower shots at the edge of range? How bout taking tower shots RIGHT HERE.) and even though he doesn't get much farm in a 1v2 lane, he doesn't need items to be useful. Renekton is hurt much more by the 1v2 lane than Blitzcrank. Blitz's endgame items were like... Aegis, Locket? And he was fine with that. Sending Blitz vs. Renekton would allow Renekton to bully blitz around in lane, and more importantly, Renekton would be getting much more farm which would make him much more of a threat later.
On February 25 2013 02:26 JBright wrote: that was an amazing tp by ryze.
To be fair, Shushei leaving lane heavily telegraphed the upcoming gank on bottom lane, leaving Giants to set up. Very nearly lost it anyway, so I guess Exterminare is to be congratulated anyway
With how aggressive DB's lanes are, Malunoo should focus more on farming than on ganking. No ganking opportunities anyway
Beautiful, beautiful telegank by Shushei.
Both junglers kinda ineffective, even though Malunoo had bigger impact with the gank on Akali. Morden did nothing yet.
That "bait" by Shushei was a piece of genius. (If that was a bait, after all!) Instead of blowing his ult and having Akali escape afterward, he retreated, making Akali think herself secure while Kha'Zix closed in.
On a sidenote: Kha'Zix still so stronk. Never quite understood why he was dropped after that minuscule nerf.
Welp, crescendo missed Vi, double kill ensues. Does anyone know of a proxy that lets you watch streams (youtube or twitch)? The ones I know would work with youtube videos but not with stream, and my trash ISP is restricting bandwith so much that I can't even watch in 360p without sizable lags. >_>
On February 25 2013 02:52 Alaric wrote: Does anyone know of a proxy that lets you watch streams (youtube or twitch)? The ones I know would work with youtube videos but not with stream, and my trash ISP is restricting bandwith so much that I can't even watch in 360p without sizable lags. >_>
Did you try watching the millenium or aAa streams? Both are on dailymotion, which is always working fine for me.
How long is the game timer atm on Twitch? Youtube seems to be like 5+ minutes behind.
^ I guess I could, I heavily dislike the French LoL commentary in general but I value stream quality over commentary. Didn't even remember Dailymotion had streams, I'll try thanks!
I understand the first back away from baron but what was with trying to back a SECOND time after showing they're out of position. Stupid DB. How to throw: Episode One.
On February 25 2013 03:11 Amethyst21 wrote: Fun game, GIANTS continue to suprise; Jimbz, for someone I hadn't heard of before the LCS qualifiers, is clearly an elite player.
Tbh I wrote off jimbz as a one trick pony with AD kennen but the kid's legit.
On February 25 2013 03:04 Alaric wrote: ^ I guess I could, I heavily dislike the French LoL commentary in general but I value stream quality over commentary. Didn't even remember Dailymotion had streams, I'll try thanks!
I guess so. Wasn't it you who didn't notice they swapped kobe for jatt earlier this week? :p
On February 25 2013 02:46 DragoonTT wrote: That "bait" by Shushei was a piece of genius. (If that was a bait, after all!) Instead of blowing his ult and having Akali escape afterward, he retreated, making Akali think herself secure while Kha'Zix closed in.
On a sidenote: Kha'Zix still so stronk. Never quite understood why he was dropped after that minuscule nerf.
It was...what was it, around 25 minutes in? You just died at top to a Shushei lane gank. Your team has pretty limited vision of the map. Their mid and bot towers are gone and there are none of them in sight with no objectives for taking. You know what is a good thing to do? Go out to a lane w/o its outer turret and try to farm near the river.
This game was like the Giants vs Gambit game yesterday, except DB counterthrew hard as here where as Gambit just thanked Giants for a free win.
On February 25 2013 03:11 Amethyst21 wrote: Fun game, GIANTS continue to suprise; Jimbz, for someone I hadn't heard of before the LCS qualifiers, is clearly an elite player.
Tbh I wrote off jimbz as a one trick pony with AD kennen but the kid's legit.
That guy reminds me of doublelift. Good mechanics and randomly retarded decisions that just loses them the game.
On February 24 2013 22:17 Tula wrote: Looking back at the game I think their major mistake was laneswapping (or accepting the laneswap).
Fnatics composition relied heavily on getting ahead early. Forcing blitz to lane against renekton and the duo lanes as duo would have allowed them to defend their towers for quite a bit longer. Leading to a much different midgame.
Regarding their picks, I'm not really a fan of Sona anymore. Yes the ultimate is one of the strongest CCs and she does offer good sustain, but against any kind of reset char her absolute squishyness (if that is a word) offers pretty much a free reset if she is caught even a tiny bit out of position.
All in all Fnatic deserved that win by preparing better, but I think EG also reacted inappropriately to deal with their off the wall composition. If someone basically runs 2 supports by picking such a weak top laner, you shouldn't rush through into the mid game, but rather try to extent early laning as long as possible to get ahead. Fact is, Blitz really can't lane worth shit against Renekton and Kat has a miserable time farming against Anivia. Those were the openings they might have exploited, instead they let themselves be pushed around and paid for it.
No way. Blitz is hard as fuck to tower dive (oh, your support is taking tower shots at the edge of range? How bout taking tower shots RIGHT HERE.) and even though he doesn't get much farm in a 1v2 lane, he doesn't need items to be useful. Renekton is hurt much more by the 1v2 lane than Blitzcrank. Blitz's endgame items were like... Aegis, Locket? And he was fine with that. Sending Blitz vs. Renekton would allow Renekton to bully blitz around in lane, and more importantly, Renekton would be getting much more farm which would make him much more of a threat later.
we seem to have some kind of disconnect here, thats exactly what i was saying? EG should not have let Fnatic swap lanes on them (or even tried to do it themselves). Blitz might have reached enough money for lategame anyway (aegis and locket together are fairly cheap) but renekton would have basically had free farm and they would have been able to defend their towers much longer.
On February 25 2013 03:12 Mensol wrote: I think GIANTS are better than SK. They have such a great synergy. i'd rather to see them in World finals.
I've been cheering for Giants since a bit before the qualifiers, though I wish they'd clean up their midgame and not consistently get ahead for 10~15 min and throw for the next 15min before superior teamfighting finally kicks in.
On February 25 2013 03:04 Alaric wrote: ^ I guess I could, I heavily dislike the French LoL commentary in general but I value stream quality over commentary. Didn't even remember Dailymotion had streams, I'll try thanks!
I guess so. Wasn't it you who didn't notice they swapped kobe for jatt earlier this week? :p
Already told you I was too busy raging on Dig to listen.
Can somebody tell me when was the Krepo anaysis? Since I was so behind I'll use the youtube stream to rewind/fast forward to it.
On February 25 2013 03:12 Mensol wrote: I think GIANTS are better than SK. They have such a great synergy. i'd rather to see them in World finals.
I've been cheering for Giants since a bit before the qualifiers, though I wish they'd clean up their midgame and not consistently get ahead for 10~15 min and throw for the next 15min before superior teamfighting finally kicks in.
On February 25 2013 03:26 NeoIllusions wrote: GIANTS are the best EU team after the big 3. I'm a believer now.
And they're actually entertaining, contrary to a certain turtling team.
Turtle? I saw no turtling. Samux going ham with Akali. Did you see that 1v1 with Kha'zix?
What. a. boss.
Jimbz has the mechanics, just need to work on his decision making. It's certainly not as bad as Double's, lol you gaiz.
Exter consistently make plays across the map. He was there to cockblock Shushei at Bot lane and get Jimbz a double. When Jimbz did that incredibly stupid late blue pill and Kha'zix caught him, who was there to save the day to make sure it wasn't just a free ADC kill? One of the better TP users for sure.
On February 25 2013 03:26 NeoIllusions wrote: GIANTS are the best EU team after the big 3. I'm a believer now.
And they're actually entertaining, contrary to a certain turtling team.
Turtle? I saw no turtling. Samux going ham with Akali. Did you see that 1v1 with Kha'zix?
What. a. boss.
Jimbz has the mechanics, just need to work on his decision making. It's certainly not as bad as Double's, lol you gaiz.
Exter consistently make plays across the map. He was there to cockblock Shushei at Bot lane and get Jimbz a double. When Jimbz did that incredibly stupid late blue pill and Kha'zix caught him, who was there to save the day to make sure it wasn't just a free ADC kill? One of the better TP users for sure.
Exter carrying team on his big back for sure, though wish he'd be making more plays rather than bailing out dumbs and making sure their stupid deaths are getting traded evenly.
As for Jimbz's decision making, won't you say the way he consistently gravitates toward farm during any situation to be kinda like Double?
Far as Samux goes, neo, don't forget the decision yesterday against Gambit to try to go all in at purple side wraiths when Kayle was just seen clearing creeps at midlane. That 1v1 w/ Khaz was sexy, just wish he'd pay more attention to his surroundings.
wonder how long they will allow Exter to play Ryze :D
also Krepo speaking fighting words during the interview, really curious if they can back it up during the matches between the leagues (he said that he thinks on average EU is better than US basically).
On February 25 2013 03:36 nafta wrote: This interview is fun and all but it would be really nice if the games just started....
It's likely they are having issues setting up the computers. They're just stalling for time.
It always baffles me how long it takes to start league games.Like how hard is it to plug in keyboard/mouse(they have played before so there should be drivers up already) and change your settings.5/10 minutes at most.
On February 25 2013 03:26 NeoIllusions wrote: GIANTS are the best EU team after the big 3. I'm a believer now.
And they're actually entertaining, contrary to a certain turtling team.
Turtle? I saw no turtling. Samux going ham with Akali. Did you see that 1v1 with Kha'zix?
What. a. boss.
Jimbz has the mechanics, just need to work on his decision making. It's certainly not as bad as Double's, lol you gaiz.
Exter consistently make plays across the map. He was there to cockblock Shushei at Bot lane and get Jimbz a double. When Jimbz did that incredibly stupid late blue pill and Kha'zix caught him, who was there to save the day to make sure it wasn't just a free ADC kill? One of the better TP users for sure.
Exter carrying team on his big back for sure, though wish he'd be making more plays rather than bailing out dumbs and making sure their stupid deaths are getting traded evenly.
As for Jimbz's decision making, won't you say the way he consistently gravitates toward farm during any situation to be kinda like Double?
Exter doesn't establish GIANTS' momentum, he's there to ensure they don't lose it. And from this last game against DB, he does it beautifully. You're right that it'd help GIANTS a ton if they communicated better and not get out of position so frequently but it's rather unique to see a team who can even capitalize off a misplay.
I definitely see Double-like behavior in Jimbz and to me, it's a very good thing. To see how he can go Mid to stop a wave from pushing into their tower and immediately swing Bot to clear yet another way. Very good lane observation and "greed". Jimbz biggest problem is his positioning. He sees objectives but doesn't see the dangers between Point A and Point B.
On February 25 2013 03:36 nafta wrote: This interview is fun and all but it would be really nice if the games just started....
It's likely they are having issues setting up the computers. They're just stalling for time.
It always baffles me how long it takes to start league games.Like how hard is it to plug in keyboard/mouse(they have played before so there should be drivers up already) and change your settings.5/10 minutes at most.
Having watched things get setup for IPL5 first hand, the biggest issue is when there's problems with the hardware (most typically headsets) and no sound is coming out. Players aren't the most keen on technical problems, so you need some Rioter to step in and troubleshoot. It's hardware problems that cause delays. Otherwise, I think most orgas have streamlined and informed teams how to set up with minimal time loss.
On February 25 2013 03:36 nafta wrote: This interview is fun and all but it would be really nice if the games just started....
It's likely they are having issues setting up the computers. They're just stalling for time.
It always baffles me how long it takes to start league games.Like how hard is it to plug in keyboard/mouse(they have played before so there should be drivers up already) and change your settings.5/10 minutes at most.
Having watched things get setup for IPL5 first hand, the biggest issue is when there's problems with the hardware (most typically headsets) and no sound is coming out. Players aren't the most keen on technical problems, so you need some Rioter to step in and troubleshoot. It's hardware problems that cause delays. Otherwise, I think most orgas have streamlined and informed teams how to set up with minimal time loss.
i dont get it, why not have seperate user accounts for every player. Just plug in the peripherals, switch account, DONE.
For all the issues with long breaks, they have done a remarkable job showing us things to fill the void. For someone that regularly watches MLG tournaments, it's great to see thing other than a crowd shot for 30 mins between games. I watched the entire Krepo interview instead of just walking away from the stream and checking back.
On February 25 2013 03:48 Takkara wrote: For all the issues with long breaks, they have done a remarkable job showing us things to fill the void. For someone that regularly watches MLG tournaments, it's great to see thing other than a crowd shot for 30 mins between games. I watched the entire Krepo interview instead of just walking away from the stream and checking back.
ikr, I have stream on mute but from what I heard from other staff, Krepo did some great commentary about their match vs Fnatic.
On February 25 2013 03:48 Takkara wrote: For all the issues with long breaks, they have done a remarkable job showing us things to fill the void. For someone that regularly watches MLG tournaments, it's great to see thing other than a crowd shot for 30 mins between games. I watched the entire Krepo interview instead of just walking away from the stream and checking back.
Heh yeah, so true. And Krepo always a pleasure to listen to. Smart guy. Remember those shows with travis.. most of the progamers on that show did not come across as very smart, but krepo on the other hand.. =]
What an ugly comp by aAa. Stack CC and Tankiness, never die. Hopefully xPeke and Yellowstar can destroy them in fights - but a victory in lane is very much required.
Don't understand why sOAZ is relegated to support-y top laners these days. He did so well with the aggressive picks back in November/December. But with his tendency to be caught unaware in some of the last games, Malphite is probably a good choice.
On February 25 2013 03:55 DragoonTT wrote: What an ugly comp by aAa. Stack CC and Tankiness, never die. Hopefully xPeke and Yellowstar can destroy them in fights - but a victory in lane is very much required.
Don't understand why sOAZ is relegated to support-y top laners these days. He did so well with the aggressive picks back in November/December. But with his tendency to be caught unaware in some of the last games, Malphite is probably a good choice.
sOAZ doesn't have to play as aggressive. The champs he's picking still make a big impact (Malph now, Shen a lot before. huehuehue @ Blitz). But now he has to take on peel duty for a farmed YellOwStaR imo. If anything, it's good to see that they're adapting to their line up, even if it's at the cost of sOAZ making flashy aggro plays.
Woah, aAa misplayed that super hard mid, Cho zoning himself, using Cataclysm on a Diana who can ult to Kennen to get out, then trying to fight again outnumbered and without ults. o_o
NP they outdid themselves on the next fight, Solar Flare down? Np they'll stack under that turret for Unstoppable Force anyway.
the hell is that kennen build...its games like this when you shoulda just stuck to basics and it would be an easy win. Kennen cant even hold a candle to MF's damage right now and is pretty much single handedly costing them the game
Sona died without using Crescendo. aAa are just playing super, super, super bad, they seem to be unable to assess their damage, the enemy damage, and how much they can withstand. Add their greediness and they're just dead.
On February 25 2013 04:43 Alaric wrote: So... Cataclysm on Yellowstar. He loses no HP at all from the fight. Great focus I guess?
Well, when voli, malphite, leona, and diana are knocking you around and CCing you, I'm not sure how you focus the carry? Fnatic's pre-fight positioning was honestly quite good. Jarvan had to go way too deep to get Yellowstar that last fight. Virtual used all his dashes to get to Yellowstar, Fredy got bearflung AWAY while trying to dash into the cataclysm as he came up from behind. Without renekton in the cataclysm with him, J4 was too deep there and nobody could follow up. He hadn't caught yellowstar, he dove too far.
On February 25 2013 04:48 Takkara wrote: Krepo taking control of the production. Gotta love it. Can we have him doing this every week? He's amazing.
EG got such a great deal by picking up Krepo and co.
lololol
Krepo is such a cool guy.
The fact that EG have dropped a few games does show the strength of EU. They're such an experienced and talented team yet they're getting game planned against.
One thing I thought of, is if LCS means the players get more regular experience interviewing / talking on camera, we can get a lot fewer cringe-worthy moments in big tournaments.
I don't know if it's my ISP going even worse or twitch lag combining with it, but even 240p is too much to handle without more lag than actual video it seems. :<
On February 25 2013 05:11 thenexusp wrote: One thing I thought of, is if LCS means the players get more regular experience interviewing / talking on camera, we can get a lot fewer cringe-worthy moments in big tournaments.
I dunno expecting people who play video games 10+ hours a day to be comfortable on camera is optomostic, certainly there are people that can (and yeah thank god its Krepo today, because the dude is very well spoken) but they will almost always be the exception than the rule. Certainly it would be nice if there were more people giving good interviews, and teams would shell out for a PR guy to give a brief seminar to their players, but be happy with the Snoopeh's and Krepo's and Scarra's of the world.
On February 25 2013 05:11 thenexusp wrote: One thing I thought of, is if LCS means the players get more regular experience interviewing / talking on camera, we can get a lot fewer cringe-worthy moments in big tournaments.
Doubtful. Krepo and Snoopeh were great on camera without any PR training. EG don't have a hand in who they are now and how they present themselves. EG simply reaping the benefits.
But we can be hopeful for the rest of the scene though. :D
On February 25 2013 05:18 Alaric wrote: I don't know if it's my ISP going even worse or twitch lag combining with it, but even 240p is too much to handle without more lag than actual video it seems. :<
Pretty inexcusable for any team to be dying to 1:40 blue invades. Two auto attacks on big wolf versus guaranteed death if the enemy is invading? That's definitely worth the risk.
On February 25 2013 05:11 thenexusp wrote: One thing I thought of, is if LCS means the players get more regular experience interviewing / talking on camera, we can get a lot fewer cringe-worthy moments in big tournaments.
Doubtful. Krepo and Snoopeh were great on camera without any PR training. EG don't have a hand in who they are now and how they present themselves. EG simply reaping the benefits.
But we can be hopeful for the rest of the scene though. :D
The quality of casters in the scene seems (to me at least) to be really high. The social aspect of the game makes it appeal to the slightly less awkward than perhaps Starcraft does. Although there are twitch positions where it's all about focus and mechanical skill there are also positions where you don't really have to be that focused. I don't think it's a coincidence that the jungler and support of EG are the most charismatic. They are the ones that spend most time watching the map and coordinating the team play.
On February 25 2013 05:18 Alaric wrote: I don't know if it's my ISP going even worse or twitch lag combining with it, but even 240p is too much to handle without more lag than actual video it seems. :<
Aaaand CW lose their lead by forfeiting dragon then going 1-3 in the subsequent fight. Everyone on DB having some sort of aggressive leap/charge to let them kamikaze out of the Zyra ult certainly helped.
On February 25 2013 05:37 Doctorbeat wrote: Heya guys, just tuned in after being busy this weekend. How is Wolves doing with Bjerg and what happened in the Fnatic vs EG match?
Just find the vod of fnatic vs. EG and watch it, awesome game Bjergsen hasn't managed to change Wolves fortunes yet
I feel like a lot of teams in both NA/EU have been really against building Aegis/Bulwark. Even though it's more expensive the aura is still worth it for your team.
On February 25 2013 05:46 onlywonderboy wrote: I feel like a lot of teams in both NA/EU have been really against building Aegis/Bulwark. Even though it's more expensive the aura is still worth it for your team.
They feel less impactful as the individual player building them though. Aegis no longer giving AD is part of it.
On February 25 2013 05:48 Amethyst21 wrote: CC and gap closers everywhere for DB
Compared with wolves who just have a terrible team comp. They have close range champs (shen/cho-gath) combined with a ranged burst champ and a late game kiting AD carry.... Lux makes the least sense in this team; a sustained DPSer (Ryze etc..) would be a lot better imho.
On February 25 2013 05:48 Amethyst21 wrote: CC and gap closers everywhere for DB
Compared with wolves who just have a terrible team comp. They have close range champs (shen/cho-gath) combined with a ranged burst champ and a late game kiting AD carry.... Lux makes the least sense in this team; a sustained DPSer (Ryze etc..) would be a lot better imho.
??? That's strange considering Krepo just said (and I agree) Wolves outpicked DB pretty hard.
Wolves just seem to be a lot sloppier in team fights which you could've gotten away a year ago but when league's developed a lot further.
On February 25 2013 05:57 Amethyst21 wrote: Riot needs to hire Krepo ASAP to do analysis like this for all games
I wouldn't be surprised if him and Scarra did this is they retired from playing.
Krepo already said in one of his AMAs that he only sees himself playing pro LoL for ~2 years at best. After that he would try and find a job in e-sports.
On February 25 2013 05:48 Amethyst21 wrote: CC and gap closers everywhere for DB
Compared with wolves who just have a terrible team comp. They have close range champs (shen/cho-gath) combined with a ranged burst champ and a late game kiting AD carry.... Lux makes the least sense in this team; a sustained DPSer (Ryze etc..) would be a lot better imho.
??? That's strange considering Krepo just said (and I agree) Wolves outpicked DB pretty hard.
Wolves just seem to be a lot sloppier in team fights which you could've gotten away a year ago but when league's developed a lot further.
Ok, that's interesting. Care to elaborate on how they out picked them? I missed what Krepo said, rewinding it now.
They first picked Shen/Lux - I don't see, at this point, how that is a good move.
On February 25 2013 05:48 Amethyst21 wrote: CC and gap closers everywhere for DB
Compared with wolves who just have a terrible team comp. They have close range champs (shen/cho-gath) combined with a ranged burst champ and a late game kiting AD carry.... Lux makes the least sense in this team; a sustained DPSer (Ryze etc..) would be a lot better imho.
??? That's strange considering Krepo just said (and I agree) Wolves outpicked DB pretty hard.
Wolves just seem to be a lot sloppier in team fights which you could've gotten away a year ago but when league's developed a lot further.
Ok, that's interesting. Care to elaborate on how they out picked them? I missed what Krepo said, rewinding it now.
They first picked Shen/Lux - I don't see, at this point, how that is a good move.
Lots of zone, wave clear and Zyra's ult is one of the biggest cockblock against zerg ever.
On February 25 2013 05:48 Amethyst21 wrote: CC and gap closers everywhere for DB
Compared with wolves who just have a terrible team comp. They have close range champs (shen/cho-gath) combined with a ranged burst champ and a late game kiting AD carry.... Lux makes the least sense in this team; a sustained DPSer (Ryze etc..) would be a lot better imho.
I dunno, lux zyra and cait all work great together to protect and kite. I understand Shen in pretty much any comp for his split pushing. The cho I don't really get, but I'm not sure what jungler could have more presence in their comp.
Yeah, Wolves would miss every single skillshot, and DB were fantastic at using Bandage Toss/Audacious Charge/Cataclysm/etc to zerg over the Zyra ults and Ruptures.
It's interesting listening to Krepo talk about the team comps. The Lux/Kite team is the type of team that EG like to run quite often and he clearly know how to play it well. I can see now the idea behind the composition. Where you have Shen split pushing in one lane while the rest of the team pushes another. The Cho/Zyra disengage is really strong, combine that with Lux and Cait's ranged sniping and you have something that is very difficult to attack.
Unfortunately they picked that into a fantastic dive comp with tons of engage. It could have worked though, true.
On February 25 2013 06:14 Klive5ive wrote: It's interesting listening to Krepo talk about the team comps. The Lux/Kite team is the type of team that EG like to run quite often and he clearly know how to play it well. I can see now the idea behind the composition. Where you have Shen split pushing in one lane while the rest of the team pushes another. The Cho/Zyra disengage is really strong, combine that with Lux and Cait's ranged sniping and you have something that is very difficult to attack.
Unfortunately they picked that into a fantastic dive comp with tons of engage. It could have worked though, true.
The point that it's such a good counter engage team is what made it GOOD against a team with lots of dive. That's the entire point. You dive in and what? Shen ults, Cait pew pews your ass in the back and you got two knockups, silences, snares, etc. Wolves played it horribly. As someone just mentioned, Zyra's ults were like trying NOT to hit people or something.
I know people are trying to be nice and say Wolves aren't so bad, etc. (Some even going so far to say they can beat top 3 NA teams, wtf???) They did bad that game. They had a good prepared early comp, yes. But once it passed that, it was clear they're deserving their 0-8.
On February 25 2013 06:14 Klive5ive wrote: It's interesting listening to Krepo talk about the team comps. The Lux/Kite team is the type of team that EG like to run quite often and he clearly know how to play it well. I can see now the idea behind the composition. Where you have Shen split pushing in one lane while the rest of the team pushes another. The Cho/Zyra disengage is really strong, combine that with Lux and Cait's ranged sniping and you have something that is very difficult to attack.
Unfortunately they picked that into a fantastic dive comp with tons of engage. It could have worked though, true.
The point that it's such a good counter engage team is what made it GOOD against a team with lots of dive. That's the entire point. You dive in and what? Shen ults, Cait pew pews your ass in the back and you got two knockups, silences, snares, etc. Wolves played it horribly. As someone just mentioned, Zyra's ults were like trying NOT to hit people or something.
I know people are trying to be nice and say Wolves aren't so bad, etc. (Some even going so far to say they can beat top 3 NA teams, wtf???) They did bad that game. They had a good prepared early comp, yes. But once it passed that, it was clear they're deserving their 0-8.
There comes a point though when you don't have enough disengage (as EG found out yesterday) and actually Lux doesn't have great escape. AP Nid would make more sense if that was your goal. If you can dive onto Lux/Cait then you can somewhat ignore the rest. Shen is a slow DPSer, Cho'gath is more CC than DPS - you can ignore these players.
I'm leaning towards it being closer, but I'm not convinced it's a counter-pick at all.
On February 25 2013 06:14 Klive5ive wrote: It's interesting listening to Krepo talk about the team comps. The Lux/Kite team is the type of team that EG like to run quite often and he clearly know how to play it well. I can see now the idea behind the composition. Where you have Shen split pushing in one lane while the rest of the team pushes another. The Cho/Zyra disengage is really strong, combine that with Lux and Cait's ranged sniping and you have something that is very difficult to attack.
Unfortunately they picked that into a fantastic dive comp with tons of engage. It could have worked though, true.
The point that it's such a good counter engage team is what made it GOOD against a team with lots of dive. That's the entire point. You dive in and what? Shen ults, Cait pew pews your ass in the back and you got two knockups, silences, snares, etc. Wolves played it horribly. As someone just mentioned, Zyra's ults were like trying NOT to hit people or something.
I know people are trying to be nice and say Wolves aren't so bad, etc. (Some even going so far to say they can beat top 3 NA teams, wtf???) They did bad that game. They had a good prepared early comp, yes. But once it passed that, it was clear they're deserving their 0-8.
There comes a point though when you don't have enough disengage (as EG found out yesterday) and actually Lux doesn't have great escape. AP Nid would make more sense if that was your goal. If you can dive onto Lux/Cait then you can somewhat ignore the rest. Shen is a slow DPSer, Cho'gath is more CC than DPS - you can ignore these players.
I'm leaning towards it being closer, but I'm not convinced it's a counter-pick at all.
How is nida a better disengage than lux lol?You have a heal and a jump.Lux has a slow and a bind to keep them in zyra ult.Ap nida most overrated champ in the game currently imo.
Exciting? This reminded me of CLG.eu sieging with Froggen on Anivia. I don't want to get rid of Nidalee because of the spear damage. But because of how boring it is.
On February 25 2013 07:20 Alaric wrote: Exciting? This reminded me of CLG.eu sieging with Froggen on Anivia. I don't want to get rid of Nidalee because of the spear damage. But because of how boring it is.
Ever watched a football game ? (I m talking about real football, and not US football). In a 90 min match, there is what between 10 and 15 min of action, and the rest is useless passes that goes nowhere. But it's good as it build tension. I'm not saying all game should be that long and drawn out, but having some hero that completly change the pace of the game and force that kind of long drawn out game is good sometimes.
They should just be a little less safe. That's my only concern with nida, she has that spear AND great mobility, which makes her hard to catch out and kill. It's also the fault of the opponent team for not picking hard engage champion to prevent that kind of situation tho.
On February 25 2013 07:20 Alaric wrote: Exciting? This reminded me of CLG.eu sieging with Froggen on Anivia. I don't want to get rid of Nidalee because of the spear damage. But because of how boring it is.
Ever watched a football game ? (I m talking about real football, and not US football). In a 90 min match, there is what between 10 and 15 min of action, and the rest is useless passes that goes nowhere. But it's good as it build tension. I'm not saying all game should be that long and drawn out, but having some hero that completly change the pace of the game and force that kind of long drawn out game is good sometimes.
They should just be a little less safe. That's my only concern with nida, she has that spear AND great mobility, which makes her hard to catch out and kill. It's also the fault of the opponent team for not picking hard engage champion to prevent that kind of situation tho.
Using soccer as a comparison to convince an American company that something is NOT boring probably is not the best idea hahaha.
On February 25 2013 07:20 Alaric wrote: Exciting? This reminded me of CLG.eu sieging with Froggen on Anivia. I don't want to get rid of Nidalee because of the spear damage. But because of how boring it is.
Ever watched a football game ? (I m talking about real football, and not US football). In a 90 min match, there is what between 10 and 15 min of action, and the rest is useless passes that goes nowhere. But it's good as it build tension. I'm not saying all game should be that long and drawn out, but having some hero that completly change the pace of the game and force that kind of long drawn out game is good sometimes.
They should just be a little less safe. That's my only concern with nida, she has that spear AND great mobility, which makes her hard to catch out and kill. It's also the fault of the opponent team for not picking hard engage champion to prevent that kind of situation tho.
Using soccer as a comparison to convince an American company that something is NOT boring probably is not the best idea hahaha.
It seems like the spear issue may be cooldown related. I think spear snipes, and sieges with that kind of poke can be fun to watch because there's a lot of emphasis on skill shots and dodging, but a game changing ability that comes at your team every 5 seconds just seems kind of silly. If you sit and siege long enough that spear will eventually hit someone important.
Obviously there are a lot of other factors, but it seems like a second or two added to the cooldown might be needed.
What annoys me is that a pick like Nidalee or Lux is so damn effective at poking safely (putting the emphasis on safely, be it Nid's range when poking, or Lux's ability to farm from under her tower in lane, she's actually a lot safer than Morg but never got hated for this) that it puts too much onus on the other team to pick and play accordingly, rather than on their players to accomodate the playstyle. Basically, if you pick almost any team without your mid when you're purple side, you can threaten the other team with a Nidalee/Lux/Anivia pick and they have to pick super hard engage or else you'll screw them with just that one pick.
On February 25 2013 08:30 Alaric wrote: Yeah but I prefer rugby to soccer anyway. x)
What annoys me is that a pick like Nidalee or Lux is so damn effective at poking safely (putting the emphasis on safely, be it Nid's range when poking, or Lux's ability to farm from under her tower in lane, she's actually a lot safer than Morg but never got hated for this) that it puts too much onus on the other team to pick and play accordingly, rather than on their players to accomodate the playstyle. Basically, if you pick almost any team without your mid when you're purple side, you can threaten the other team with a Nidalee/Lux/Anivia pick and they have to pick super hard engage or else you'll screw them with just that one pick.
Anivia can get screwed by hard engage more easily because in comparison to the other 2, she's a lot more short ranged. She also is a siege/countersiege champ much more than a pokey one.
Lux I think is in a fine spot because assuming an average item progress game, you'll be able to 100-0 a squishy with a full combo, but if you throw stuff out and miss, you have a decently sized window of vulnerability.
Nidalee spears IMO do quite a bit more than what is reasonable, on too short a CD. I also hate the rest of her kit, but that's another complaint for another time.
Well I can't argue that it's fun to watch, since that's up to you. But it's not OP. This is just another classic knee jerk reaction. Some top player in the near future will play Nid and fail with her. Then you guys wont post and all the "AP Nid sucks" people will be back saying how they always knew she was terrible.
On February 25 2013 07:20 Alaric wrote: Exciting? This reminded me of CLG.eu sieging with Froggen on Anivia. I don't want to get rid of Nidalee because of the spear damage. But because of how boring it is.
Ever watched a football game ? (I m talking about real football, and not US football). In a 90 min match, there is what between 10 and 15 min of action, and the rest is useless passes that goes nowhere. But it's good as it build tension. I'm not saying all game should be that long and drawn out, but having some hero that completly change the pace of the game and force that kind of long drawn out game is good sometimes.
They should just be a little less safe. That's my only concern with nida, she has that spear AND great mobility, which makes her hard to catch out and kill. It's also the fault of the opponent team for not picking hard engage champion to prevent that kind of situation tho.
Using soccer as a comparison to convince an American company that something is NOT boring probably is not the best idea hahaha.
He is french, we rock at "soccer" :D
Unless your national team goes on a strike in the middle of a mayor competition...
On February 25 2013 17:04 ihasaKAROT wrote: I agree, Nid spears are dodgeable, also any hard engage blows her up. Just because you dont know how to play against an AP Nid doenst make her OP.
And you should probably consider building an aura based resist item when you see her going out of control. 30 MR across all members of your team are really useful when you get poked by spears.
Shushei moved to top. Double AP fell out of favour. Shu (allegedly) couldn't handle the switch to bruiser top well enough. Kicked from FNC. Makes own team where he can play mid. Plays bruiser mid.
On February 25 2013 17:04 ihasaKAROT wrote: I agree, Nid spears are dodgeable, also any hard engage blows her up. Just because you dont know how to play against an AP Nid doenst make her OP.
Which is way I addressed the subject by the angle of the draft, rather than calling her OP. Picks like that are annoying because as long as the enemy team hasn't picked their mid you have to pick hard engage or a single pick will screw you.
On February 26 2013 11:10 cLutZ wrote: Why are the picks/bans so scrwed up for the LCS streams/vods?
I assume you're talking about the bans all being on the right side. Riot really fubar'd their coding on the last patch and decided it isn't worth hotfixing.
On February 26 2013 11:10 cLutZ wrote: Why are the picks/bans so scrwed up for the LCS streams/vods?
I assume you're talking about the bans all being on the right side. Riot really fubar'd their coding on the last patch and decided it isn't worth hotfixing.
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