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JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-24 22:14:12
February 22 2013 00:59 GMT
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Saturday, Feb 23 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

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Copenhagen Wolves (0-5)                                                              Fnatic (2-1)
17:00 GMT (+00:00)
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Wolves vs Fnatic

Bans:
Kassadin                                Lux
Kayle                                Nidalee
Thresh                                Vi

Picks:
Xin Zhao                                Shen / Volibear
Singed / Sona                                Leona / Miss Fortune
Caitlyn / Elise                                Katarina



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Gambit Gaming (3-2)                                                              GIANTS! Gaming (2-2)
18:00 GMT (+00:00)
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Gambit vs GIANTS

Bans:
Elise                                Kog'Maw
Kennen                                Xin Zhao
Dr. Mundo                                Shen

Picks:
Thresh                                Sona / Volibear
Nasus / Ezreal                                Akali / Caitlyn
Kayle / Renekton                                Twisted Fate



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Against All Authority (0-1)                                                              Copenhagen Wolves (0-5)
19:00 GMT (+00:00)
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aAa vs Wolves

Bans:
Lux                                Nidalee
Kayle                                Elise
Vi                                Shen

Picks:
Xin Zhao                                Volibear / Thresh
Renekton / Ezreal                                Singed / Varus
Orianna / Sona                                Syndra



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Evil Geniuses (5-1)                                                              Fnatic (2-1)
20:00 GMT (+00:00)
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EG vs Fnatic

Bans:
Vi                                Lux
Kassadin                                Xin Zhao
Caitlyn                                Thresh

Picks:
Sona                                Blitzcrank / Kayle
Ezreal / Renekton                                Leona / Miss Fortune
Volibear / Anivia                                Katarina




Sunday, Feb 24 5:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

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DragonBorns (1-1)                                                              GIANTS! Gaming (2-2)
17:00 GMT (+00:00)
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DragonBorns vs GIANTS

Bans:
Kennen                                Draven
Twisted Fate                                Thresh
Elise                                Xin Zhao

Picks:
Vi                                Sona / Caitlyn
Kayle / Kha'Zix                                Volibear / Akali
Ezreal / Taric                                Ryze


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Fnatic (2-1)                                                              Against All Authority (0-1)
18:00 GMT (+00:00)
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Fnatic vs aAa

Bans:
Lux                                Thresh
Shen                                Kayle
Xin                                Vi

Picks:
Volibear                                Sona / Cho'Gath
Leona / Miss Fortune                                Renekton / Kennen
Diana / Malphite                                Jarvan IV


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DragonBorns (1-1)                                                              Copenhagen Wolves (0-5)
19:00 GMT (+00:00)
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DragonBorns vs Wolves

Bans:
Elise                                Vi
Twisted Fate                                Kayle
Kha'Zix                                Thresh

Picks:
Xin                                Shen / Lux
Jarvan IV / Lulu                                Zyra / Caitlyn
Varus / Amumu                                Cho'Gath


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GIANTS! Gaming (2-2)                                                              Against All Authority (0-1)
20:00 GMT (+00:00)
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GIANTS vs aAa

Bans:
Lux                                Kennen
Thresh                                Ryze
Elise                                Kayle

Picks:
Xin Zhao                                Sona / Vi
Zyra / Caitlyn                                Nidalee / Ezreal
Volibear / Twisted Fate                                Renekton




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Wolves - Fnatic
Gambit - Giants
aAa - Wolves
EG - Fnatic


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DragonBorns - Giants
Fnatic - aAa
DragonBorns - Wolves
Giants - aAa




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Wolves vs Fnatic
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Poll: Recommend Wolves vs Fnatic Week 3?

No (19)
 
79%

If you have time (3)
 
13%

Yes (2)
 
8%

24 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Wolves vs Fnatic Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Gambit vs Giants
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Poll: Recommend Gambit vs Giants Week 3?

Yes (28)
 
93%

If you have time (2)
 
7%

No (0)
 
0%

30 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Gambit vs Giants Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



aAa vs Wolves
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Poll: Recommend aAa vs Wolves Week 3?

No (7)
 
64%

If you have time (3)
 
27%

Yes (1)
 
9%

11 total votes

Your vote: Recommend aAa vs Wolves Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



EG vs Fnatic
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Poll: Recommend EG vs Fnatic Week 3?

Yes (26)
 
84%

No (4)
 
13%

If you have time (1)
 
3%

31 total votes

Your vote: Recommend EG vs Fnatic Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time




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DragonBorns vs Giants
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Poll: Recommend DragonBorns vs Giants Week 3?

Yes (17)
 
94%

No (1)
 
6%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

18 total votes

Your vote: Recommend DragonBorns vs Giants Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Fnatic vs aAa
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Poll: Recommend Fnatic vs aAa Week 3?

No (3)
 
60%

If you have time (2)
 
40%

Yes (0)
 
0%

5 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Fnatic vs aAa Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



DragonBorns vs Wolves
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Poll: Recommend DragonBorns vs Wolves Week 3?

No (8)
 
57%

If you have time (5)
 
36%

Yes (1)
 
7%

14 total votes

Your vote: Recommend DragonBorns vs Wolves Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time



Giants vs aAa
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Poll: Recommend Giants vs aAa Week 3?

No (5)
 
71%

Yes (2)
 
29%

If you have time (0)
 
0%

7 total votes

Your vote: Recommend Giants vs aAa Week 3?

(Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): If you have time






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Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 22 2013 01:08 GMT
#2
GO GIANTS
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
February 22 2013 06:01 GMT
#3
Still new to watching most teams and don't know the EU ones very well so here's a question:

What would their sort of power ranks be? Is it approximately in line with the results already? Some teams only have half the games of others though so I'm curious whether the field has set itself up yet.
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onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
February 22 2013 06:46 GMT
#4
Alright Wolves fighting, THE ENTRANCE OF BJERGSEN. No pressure.
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Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2669 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 09:01:37
February 22 2013 09:01 GMT
#5
On February 22 2013 15:01 bittman wrote:
Still new to watching most teams and don't know the EU ones very well so here's a question:

What would their sort of power ranks be? Is it approximately in line with the results already? Some teams only have half the games of others though so I'm curious whether the field has set itself up yet.


EG, Fnatic, Gambit are considered a step above, however of those only EG is consistently winning right now.

SK we don't really know if they're top 4 or top 6.

Giants, DragonBorns, Wolves & aAa we have no idea really. The early weeks have been hard to gauge, they have caused upsets, lost stupidly or have been totally crushed. When they play their game, they can beat anyone. Give it a few weeks and we may be able to call who is where when we can see who can consistently play their game. The scores don't mean a whole lot right now due to the skewed nature of the early weeks (top experienced teams vs weaker, less experienced teams). Wolves don't have their full lineup, aAa have played once, etc.

Basically anyone can beat anyone.
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DragoonTT
Profile Joined April 2012
3398 Posts
February 22 2013 09:04 GMT
#6
On February 22 2013 15:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
Alright Wolves fighting, THE ENTRANCE OF BJERGSEN. No pressure.


Wish they can pull a Vulcun and get a win or two this week, and that Bjergsen can handle the pressure. With the amount of hype and hope he received, it's going to be hard

On February 22 2013 15:01 bittman wrote:
Still new to watching most teams and don't know the EU ones very well so here's a question:

What would their sort of power ranks be? Is it approximately in line with the results already? Some teams only have half the games of others though so I'm curious whether the field has set itself up yet.


I'd rank: EG (very powerful currently, however yet to be pushed out of their comfort zone) - GG (unless they continue to counterpick themselves and execute sloppily) - SK (unless they lose momentum completely) - fnatic (prevented from being higher as long as they slump) - Giants (could easily be higher if they keep up form) - DB (looked capable of endangering the top teams against SK, however not against EG) - Wolves (lots of bad luck, even though 0-5 didn't look too horrible, star players come back this week) - aAa (only one game yet, where they were stomped without a hope)
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-22 17:52:54
February 22 2013 17:37 GMT
#7
Line spacings D:
My EU power rankings:

EG
Fnatic
GG
Giants
SK
Wolves (Bjergsen is here!)
Dragonborns
aAa

Result predictions:
Wolves - Fnatic
Gambit - Giants
aAa - Wolves
EG - Fnatic

DragonBorns - Giants
Fnatic - aAa
DragonBorns - Wolves
Giants - aAa
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
February 22 2013 21:20 GMT
#8
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go wolves :d
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Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
February 22 2013 21:37 GMT
#9
On February 23 2013 02:37 sylverfyre wrote:
Line spacings D:
My EU power rankings:

EG
Fnatic
GG
Giants
SK
Wolves (Bjergsen is here!)
Dragonborns
aAa

Result predictions:
Wolves - Fnatic
Gambit - Giants
aAa - Wolves
EG - Fnatic

DragonBorns - Giants
Fnatic - aAa
DragonBorns - Wolves
Giants - aAa


Fnatic above GG? Bold move

My predictions:
Fnatic > Wolves
GIANTS > Gambit
Wolves > aAa
EG > Fnatic

DragonBorns > GIANTS
Fnatic > aAa
Wolves > DragonBorns
GIANTS > aAa

The balance will be there, except for EG winning all the time ofc
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 22 2013 21:44 GMT
#10
Fnatic even of slightly stronger than GG doesn't seem too farfetched although I still wonder if GG is actually trying out stuff in their LCS matches or if they just have super little slump right now again.

My biggest concern is Diamondprox with his seemingly small champ pool, now that Lee is only mediocore jungler and people always ban his Xin. I like that he's experimenting with new stuff like Voli but not sure if it's viable in the long run. Udyr+Shyvana also not soo good anymore =(
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-23 13:52:47
February 23 2013 13:47 GMT
#11
On February 23 2013 06:44 AsnSensation wrote:
Fnatic even of slightly stronger than GG doesn't seem too farfetched although I still wonder if GG is actually trying out stuff in their LCS matches or if they just have super little slump right now again.

My biggest concern is Diamondprox with his seemingly small champ pool, now that Lee is only mediocore jungler and people always ban his Xin. I like that he's experimenting with new stuff like Voli but not sure if it's viable in the long run. Udyr+Shyvana also not soo good anymore =(

Everybody is there with GG, it's impossible to really understand their level. They seems weak, then 4-0 the Azubus back to back, then they come to LCS, play some random games. They feel really inconsistant and I'm not sure if it's because they are slumping or because they are not aiming for a 100 % win ratio.

Also Diamondprox play an amazing Mundo (and his champion pool is quite big, he just never shows it in competitive play).
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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
February 23 2013 13:52 GMT
#12
Fnatic should still slap the Wolfs around with Bjergsen or not, that dude is must be a mesia to save the Wolfs from there bad sinergy. + he's overhyped.

Fnatic > Wolves
Gambit > GIANTS
Wolves > aAa
EG > Fnatic

DragonBorns > GIANTS
Fnatic > aAa
Wolves < DragonBorns
GIANTS > aAa
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 23 2013 16:34 GMT
#13
On February 23 2013 22:52 Lysanias wrote:
Fnatic should still slap the Wolfs around with Bjergsen or not, that dude is must be a mesia to save the Wolfs from there bad sinergy. + he's overhyped.

Fnatic > Wolves
Gambit > GIANTS
Wolves > aAa
EG > Fnatic

DragonBorns > GIANTS
Fnatic > aAa
Wolves < DragonBorns
GIANTS > aAa


And he is playing vs xpeke.Not exactly someone that will just let you get fed and carry .
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
February 23 2013 16:51 GMT
#14
We can only hope Wolves can pull off a Vulcun.
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Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
February 23 2013 17:05 GMT
#15
Fnatic < Wolves
Gambit > GIANTS
Wolves > aAa
EG > Fnatic

DragonBorns > GIANTS
Fnatic > aAa
Wolves > DragonBorns
GIANTS > aAa

I don't like fnatic without reckless (i hate yellowstar) so i think they will lose to the wolves if the hype of the Wolves is justified. I'm also rooting for aAa (french power) and i hope they pull the upsets against all these teams.
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
February 23 2013 17:07 GMT
#16
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Darion
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada265 Posts
February 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#17
I feel like when playing at their top potential, GG is better than Fnatic. However, in the current state Fnatic is playing better.
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
February 23 2013 17:10 GMT
#18
Gogo Fnatic! I want to see more xPeke highlight reels
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 23 2013 17:13 GMT
#19
I wanna believe that Bjersen may be "the Chose One" but I love Xpeke too much.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
February 23 2013 17:16 GMT
#20
It's not bold words at all, that's just truth, Yellowstar is not on par with Rekless at all.
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