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Cubu
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
1171 Posts
August 19 2012 15:49 GMT
#1421
how can a team win simply because of a smite steal?
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 16:00:35
August 19 2012 16:00 GMT
#1422
Hm. Alright I'll explain a bit more then.

Alistar moved to smite-steal the Blue from Meowkai. It succeeded, which set Meowkai very behind especially since his Red Buff had also been denied. Through consistent co-ordination SK were able to control the tempo of the game and constantly deny jump objective from CLG. This meant that Meowkai was mostly a non-factor in the game, and they lost a lot of control over mid-lane as Gragas wasn't able to have Blue against an Ori who did have Blue. As you know, playing mid lane without Blue against a caster with Blue is very hard. The lack of jungle presence from CLG also meant that Alistar was able to exert a lot of pressure on all lanes especially with his Oracles and it snowballed from there.

However, consider what would happen if Blue was not stolen. In this case, Alistar would have been set very behind as he did not have his own Blue which was given to GP. To get to level 2, he would have needed to farm through Wraiths and Wolves and this would set his first gank timing behind while Meowkai could get ahead. Even then, with some safe play from CLG the ward coverage would eventually strangle-out the behind-Alistar and start a snowball in the other direction.

It was a very risky move by Aranae to go for that initial Blue Steal, and it paid off. The smite steal itself did not immediately win the game, but it shaped the rest of the game very heavily.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
spinesheath
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany8679 Posts
August 19 2012 16:01 GMT
#1423
On August 20 2012 00:49 Cubu wrote:
how can a team win simply because of a smite steal?

For example: Close game, one team wins a fight but enemy jungler stays up, goes to take baron, enemy steals it. Rest of the enemies have already respawned and get the buff. Possibly they already were so close to baron pit that the other team can't even kill the jungler anymore because they are low and have to run. Enemy team takes 2 inhibs.
If you have a good reason to disagree with the above, please tell me. Thank you.
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
August 19 2012 16:21 GMT
#1424
On August 20 2012 01:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Hm. Alright I'll explain a bit more then.

Alistar moved to smite-steal the Blue from Meowkai. It succeeded, which set Meowkai very behind especially since his Red Buff had also been denied. Through consistent co-ordination SK were able to control the tempo of the game and constantly deny jump objective from CLG. This meant that Meowkai was mostly a non-factor in the game, and they lost a lot of control over mid-lane as Gragas wasn't able to have Blue against an Ori who did have Blue. As you know, playing mid lane without Blue against a caster with Blue is very hard. The lack of jungle presence from CLG also meant that Alistar was able to exert a lot of pressure on all lanes especially with his Oracles and it snowballed from there.

However, consider what would happen if Blue was not stolen. In this case, Alistar would have been set very behind as he did not have his own Blue which was given to GP. To get to level 2, he would have needed to farm through Wraiths and Wolves and this would set his first gank timing behind while Meowkai could get ahead. Even then, with some safe play from CLG the ward coverage would eventually strangle-out the behind-Alistar and start a snowball in the other direction.

It was a very risky move by Aranae to go for that initial Blue Steal, and it paid off. The smite steal itself did not immediately win the game, but it shaped the rest of the game very heavily.

Taking a risk!= random

SK planned that 3 buff start all along going by @qvdeman's tweet. If it was risky it was a calculated risk. As one of the casters mentioned, CLG likes to give Snoopeh on slow junglers a strong leash so he could save his smite.

Maokai was denied blue but still had the red available; however they decided to put 2 top so he couldn't get a leash from either bot or mid since they would lose a lot of creeps. Idk if SK planned this but Aranae most likely saw 2 top and decided to camp red then. THAT is what removed maokai from the game for the first 10 minutes or so. Major props to SK for being able to keep denying the blue, including an aggressive TP from Kevin's GP.

Yes, Clg played badly. As Chauster would say, "Play reactively." Clg.eu looked like they were playing on auto-pilot as if everything was normal.
Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
August 19 2012 16:58 GMT
#1425
On August 20 2012 01:21 Kavas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 01:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Hm. Alright I'll explain a bit more then.

Alistar moved to smite-steal the Blue from Meowkai. It succeeded, which set Meowkai very behind especially since his Red Buff had also been denied. Through consistent co-ordination SK were able to control the tempo of the game and constantly deny jump objective from CLG. This meant that Meowkai was mostly a non-factor in the game, and they lost a lot of control over mid-lane as Gragas wasn't able to have Blue against an Ori who did have Blue. As you know, playing mid lane without Blue against a caster with Blue is very hard. The lack of jungle presence from CLG also meant that Alistar was able to exert a lot of pressure on all lanes especially with his Oracles and it snowballed from there.

However, consider what would happen if Blue was not stolen. In this case, Alistar would have been set very behind as he did not have his own Blue which was given to GP. To get to level 2, he would have needed to farm through Wraiths and Wolves and this would set his first gank timing behind while Meowkai could get ahead. Even then, with some safe play from CLG the ward coverage would eventually strangle-out the behind-Alistar and start a snowball in the other direction.

It was a very risky move by Aranae to go for that initial Blue Steal, and it paid off. The smite steal itself did not immediately win the game, but it shaped the rest of the game very heavily.

Taking a risk!= random

SK planned that 3 buff start all along going by @qvdeman's tweet. If it was risky it was a calculated risk. As one of the casters mentioned, CLG likes to give Snoopeh on slow junglers a strong leash so he could save his smite.

Maokai was denied blue but still had the red available; however they decided to put 2 top so he couldn't get a leash from either bot or mid since they would lose a lot of creeps. Idk if SK planned this but Aranae most likely saw 2 top and decided to camp red then. THAT is what removed maokai from the game for the first 10 minutes or so. Major props to SK for being able to keep denying the blue, including an aggressive TP from Kevin's GP.

Yes, Clg played badly. As Chauster would say, "Play reactively." Clg.eu looked like they were playing on auto-pilot as if everything was normal.


I think you meant according to @Joe_Miller 's tweet. I don't see anything on deman's twitter about the game (strategy-wise at least).
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Mondeezy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1938 Posts
August 19 2012 17:12 GMT
#1426
Finals VOD's are now up if you want to update the OP

Game 1 - http://www.twitch.tv/esltv_lol/b/329187483
LoL NA: Mondeezy - TL - Riven <3
mistax
Profile Joined March 2011
United States415 Posts
August 19 2012 18:39 GMT
#1427
On August 19 2012 22:46 Redox wrote:
"M5 have lost from a similar situation before!"

Ok this is too ridiculous. Muted.


That was when froggen was doing some amazing anivia plays.
DanielZKlein
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1171 Posts
August 19 2012 19:19 GMT
#1428
Hello Teamliquid! So sorry I didn't post more during the tournament, but Internet was way beyond spotty at the event. Let it be said that I hugged Tastosis (each one of them separately) and had my hand held in Day9's hands. He's such a nice guy in person, it's amazing. He was as exhausted as me and it was clear I no longer had any clue about SC2 but he took his time to talk to me. I fanboyed a little.

What did everyone think about the Fnatic vs CLG matches? Good to see Peke in form again, but CLG just outclassed Fnatic, no?

And the massacre that was the finals, let's not even talk about it. I casted it in German for a German TV station and I ran out of nice things to say about SK halfway through. M5 DEMOLISHED them without mercy. October will be interesting.
My modesty is awesome.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22664 Posts
August 19 2012 19:22 GMT
#1429
On August 20 2012 04:19 DanielZKlein wrote:
Hello Teamliquid! So sorry I didn't post more during the tournament, but Internet was way beyond spotty at the event. Let it be said that I hugged Tastosis (each one of them separately) and had my hand held in Day9's hands. He's such a nice guy in person, it's amazing. He was as exhausted as me and it was clear I no longer had any clue about SC2 but he took his time to talk to me. I fanboyed a little.

What did everyone think about the Fnatic vs CLG matches? Good to see Peke in form again, but CLG just outclassed Fnatic, no?

And the massacre that was the finals, let's not even talk about it. I casted it in German for a German TV station and I ran out of nice things to say about SK halfway through. M5 DEMOLISHED them without mercy. October will be interesting.


M5 and CLG still outclass every other europe team imo. The SK vs CLG game was tbh a terrible game by CLG. Froggen's anivia was bad. snoopie did pretty much nothing in both games and that baron in game 2 was a worse play then 1300. It feels like a fluke to me.
As for the big Finals im mostly looking forward to m5 vs the koreans. I wonder how they will be able to stand up without any practice against them.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 19 2012 19:41 GMT
#1430
On August 20 2012 04:22 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2012 04:19 DanielZKlein wrote:
Hello Teamliquid! So sorry I didn't post more during the tournament, but Internet was way beyond spotty at the event. Let it be said that I hugged Tastosis (each one of them separately) and had my hand held in Day9's hands. He's such a nice guy in person, it's amazing. He was as exhausted as me and it was clear I no longer had any clue about SC2 but he took his time to talk to me. I fanboyed a little.

What did everyone think about the Fnatic vs CLG matches? Good to see Peke in form again, but CLG just outclassed Fnatic, no?

And the massacre that was the finals, let's not even talk about it. I casted it in German for a German TV station and I ran out of nice things to say about SK halfway through. M5 DEMOLISHED them without mercy. October will be interesting.


M5 and CLG still outclass every other europe team imo. The SK vs CLG game was tbh a terrible game by CLG. Froggen's anivia was bad. snoopie did pretty much nothing in both games and that baron in game 2 was a worse play then 1300. It feels like a fluke to me.
As for the big Finals im mostly looking forward to m5 vs the koreans. I wonder how they will be able to stand up without any practice against them.


Froggen didnt even getr Anivia apart from game 1 vs alternate, butyeah his gragas needs some work.

Anyone figured Gosupeppers nasty sona build out yet?

ms quints/adred/armor yellow/ Mr blues
and sth like
1/15/14 for all points in movement speed?
Eladir
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece467 Posts
August 19 2012 20:05 GMT
#1431
I believe in both final day matches, bot lane was the biggest difference between the two teams. Nyph and nRated will want to forget today's games.

Good to hear you are doing stuff Germany related, was afraid you weren't involved as much as you used to.
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance. -Socrates
Keniji
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands2569 Posts
August 19 2012 20:13 GMT
#1432
On August 20 2012 03:39 mistax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 22:46 Redox wrote:
"M5 have lost from a similar situation before!"

Ok this is too ridiculous. Muted.


That was when froggen was doing some amazing anivia plays.


Wasn't even close to being the same situation. i.e. that one inhib(turret) was already down would have changed everything. But yea, that was obv. the game he thought about when he said that.
bOneSeven
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Romania685 Posts
August 19 2012 20:41 GMT
#1433
where can I see prizes lol ?
Planet earth is blue and there's nothing I can do
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
August 19 2012 20:51 GMT
#1434
On August 20 2012 05:41 bOneSeven wrote:
where can I see prizes lol ?


http://tournaments.leagueoflegends.com/s2-eu-regionals/article/en-route-world-championship-european-regionals-here

Top 3 also qualify for the World Championships in October. They also get spots in the Season 3 Circuit.
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Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
August 20 2012 02:43 GMT
#1435
I'm finding it really hard to not like M5 anymore, Diamond's Udyr took a champion I had stopped thinking of as top tier jungle and basically made attempts at banning him out lol worthy.
Carrilord has arrived.
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
August 20 2012 06:40 GMT
#1436
Yeah, I meant Joe Miller.

Diamond has always been a beast; he's about the only player who would confidently pull out a Lee Sin who would confidently pull out a lee sin and do so much with it. It's like he's all over the map.

Now we just need to wait for NA regionals. I want to see a proper Nunu jungle. Cyanide was lacklustre.

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