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Eladir
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece467 Posts
August 19 2012 14:00 GMT
#1401
On August 19 2012 22:46 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Deman probably needs to fly out because he has a full time job he needs to get back to on Monday
Maybe but I think it's mostly cause it's a Riot tournament, riot employees cast the final. Also Miller got injured, maybe that affected things too.

As for the series, we were all expecting M-5 to win but not in this way. Shows they are a level above any other team in EU. There's 2 more months till the finals, soon we gonna learn the rest of the teams but one thing's certain, competition will be brutal.
There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance. -Socrates
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
August 19 2012 14:00 GMT
#1402
Hahahaha Carmac's shirt, fuck yea
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 19 2012 14:00 GMT
#1403
On August 19 2012 22:56 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 22:54 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:47 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Still, I'm surprised SK made it to the finals. Shit wasn't going too good for them at tourneys the past couple of weeks iirc.

They won 2 Bo3s, including one against a nearly dead team.

And their win VS CLG.eu wasn't the most convicing...

SK looked solid in their games v CLG.eu. However M5 did well to exploit SK's weaknesses and never let SK get into the game. SK should have known what M5 wanted to do and drafted a comp to deal with it. SK wanted a generic teamfight comp and nice lanes. But if you're too weak to teamfight or lane, what's the point of your comp? Not enough synergy to do something like CLG.eu style turtle out the gold deficit.

Solid != convincing.

CLG.eu played terribly VS SK, SK won because they didn't do anything stupid and let CLG.eu lose the game. Too bad they don't know how to win one !

Hm. Game 1 SK pretty much won thanks to random Smite-steal haha. Not much to say there.

Game 2 though, SK did what they needed to do right and CLG flopped. True though, Solid =/= convincing. However, it's still enough to push them up from B-Tier to A-Tier. SK used to be an easy walkover for most teams. Now whether they could stand up to say the Korean I don't know. But if they were to go to an IPL or MLG tomorrow, I'd expect them to make a reasonably deep run at least.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
little fancy
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany2504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 14:04:01
August 19 2012 14:03 GMT
#1404
On August 19 2012 23:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 22:56 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:54 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:47 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Still, I'm surprised SK made it to the finals. Shit wasn't going too good for them at tourneys the past couple of weeks iirc.

They won 2 Bo3s, including one against a nearly dead team.

And their win VS CLG.eu wasn't the most convicing...

SK looked solid in their games v CLG.eu. However M5 did well to exploit SK's weaknesses and never let SK get into the game. SK should have known what M5 wanted to do and drafted a comp to deal with it. SK wanted a generic teamfight comp and nice lanes. But if you're too weak to teamfight or lane, what's the point of your comp? Not enough synergy to do something like CLG.eu style turtle out the gold deficit.

Solid != convincing.

CLG.eu played terribly VS SK, SK won because they didn't do anything stupid and let CLG.eu lose the game. Too bad they don't know how to win one !

Hm. Game 1 SK pretty much won thanks to random Smite-steal haha. Not much to say there.

Game 2 though, SK did what they needed to do right and CLG flopped. True though, Solid =/= convincing. However, it's still enough to push them up from B-Tier to A-Tier. SK used to be an easy walkover for most teams. Now whether they could stand up to say the Korean I don't know. But if they were to go to an IPL or MLG tomorrow, I'd expect them to make a reasonably deep run at least.


How many tier classes does your classification have? As long as there is something like an S-Tier where you can put M5 and the like, I'd agree.
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 19 2012 14:04 GMT
#1405
On August 19 2012 22:58 nojitosunrise wrote:
Does anyone know how seeding works for Season 2 tournament?

12 teams in the Season 2 World Championships suggests that Riot will use a similar method to what Valve is doing for The International 2. Split the teams into group stages which will determine seeding for a Winner and Loser Bracket. Then play it out from there.

CLG.eu reveal they will go back to Korea for OGN. Then scrim with TPA for a full week. Then move to California with CLG.na in a gaming house until World Championships. Ooh. Now CLG.na just needs to qualify. They're definitely at risk though.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
nojitosunrise
Profile Joined August 2011
United States6188 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 14:05:56
August 19 2012 14:05 GMT
#1406
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Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
August 19 2012 14:07 GMT
#1407
On August 19 2012 23:03 little fancy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 23:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:56 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:54 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:47 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Still, I'm surprised SK made it to the finals. Shit wasn't going too good for them at tourneys the past couple of weeks iirc.

They won 2 Bo3s, including one against a nearly dead team.

And their win VS CLG.eu wasn't the most convicing...

SK looked solid in their games v CLG.eu. However M5 did well to exploit SK's weaknesses and never let SK get into the game. SK should have known what M5 wanted to do and drafted a comp to deal with it. SK wanted a generic teamfight comp and nice lanes. But if you're too weak to teamfight or lane, what's the point of your comp? Not enough synergy to do something like CLG.eu style turtle out the gold deficit.

Solid != convincing.

CLG.eu played terribly VS SK, SK won because they didn't do anything stupid and let CLG.eu lose the game. Too bad they don't know how to win one !

Hm. Game 1 SK pretty much won thanks to random Smite-steal haha. Not much to say there.

Game 2 though, SK did what they needed to do right and CLG flopped. True though, Solid =/= convincing. However, it's still enough to push them up from B-Tier to A-Tier. SK used to be an easy walkover for most teams. Now whether they could stand up to say the Korean I don't know. But if they were to go to an IPL or MLG tomorrow, I'd expect them to make a reasonably deep run at least.


How many tier classes does your classification have? As long as there is something like an S-Tier where you can put M5 and the like, I'd agree.

S-Tier, A-Tier, B-Tier, and then below that you're going to have difficulty advancing beyond Round 1 of a major tournament.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Celial
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
2602 Posts
August 19 2012 14:08 GMT
#1408
Looks good. About half of all champions have seen action (or bans) this weekend. Not too shabby.
Do not regret. Always forward, never back.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 19 2012 14:09 GMT
#1409
haha alex ich, they'll kill people for this
Chiharu Harukaze
Profile Joined September 2011
12112 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-19 14:10:51
August 19 2012 14:09 GMT
#1410
"We will watch the Asian teams. And Korean teams. I mean, 2 million dollars. Chinese teams will kill people for that sort of money."
-Alex Ich

He's right too. I mean, I think part of what drives Moscow Five is that fact the financial security means just so much to them. Like he said, they train in not great conditions and other teams have five star hotels compared to them. When you think of what monetary incentives did to the Chinese Olympics Team... I do worry a bit.
It's like, "Is the Federation's Mobile Suit some kind of monster?"
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
August 19 2012 14:11 GMT
#1411
On August 19 2012 23:09 AsnSensation wrote:
haha alex ich, they'll kill people for this

And hes right. :D
Off-season = best season
JBright
Profile Joined September 2010
Vancouver14381 Posts
August 19 2012 14:12 GMT
#1412
Hmm, Shen picked/banned in every game (17) with Alistar, Nunu, Gragas, and Yorick round out the rest of the top 5.
ModeratorThe good and the wise lead quiet lives. Neo's #1 Frenemy and nightmare.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
August 19 2012 14:13 GMT
#1413
Damn that crowd, was it that we can't hear them properly to stream or where they really that quiet and boring :x cmon, when you go live spectate something like this, at least make some fucking noise when it's called for!
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
August 19 2012 14:16 GMT
#1414
On August 19 2012 23:13 daemir wrote:
Damn that crowd, was it that we can't hear them properly to stream or where they really that quiet and boring :x cmon, when you go live spectate something like this, at least make some fucking noise when it's called for!


well as many said in this thread before german crowd aren't nearly as enthusiastic/ responsive compared to swedes or american crowds when if they are asked to cheer for not their favourite teams ro just to randomly make some noise but I also thnk that the microphone setups at iem events is not very good for crowd noise compared to IPL/MLG or dramhack which is fine,.
Eladir
Profile Joined September 2011
Greece467 Posts
August 19 2012 14:24 GMT
#1415
I think the language barrier is bigger in Germany compared to Sweden.

As for Asian non Korean teams, I wouldn't be worried a lot about them. Sure they will train relentlessly but train with who ? I don't think they are at the level required to stay at the top training each other. Season 3 on the other hand will be a completely different matter.

There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance. -Socrates
Deleted User 101379
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
4849 Posts
August 19 2012 14:26 GMT
#1416
On August 19 2012 23:24 Eladir wrote:
I think the language barrier is bigger in Germany compared to Sweden.

As for Asian non Korean teams, I wouldn't be worried a lot about them. Sure they will train relentlessly but train with who ? I don't think they are at the level required to stay at the top training each other. Season 3 on the other hand will be a completely different matter.



Nah, it's not the language barrier, it's germans. Germans are just a lot more reserved than basically any other country in the world.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 19 2012 14:58 GMT
#1417
On August 19 2012 23:26 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 23:24 Eladir wrote:
I think the language barrier is bigger in Germany compared to Sweden.

As for Asian non Korean teams, I wouldn't be worried a lot about them. Sure they will train relentlessly but train with who ? I don't think they are at the level required to stay at the top training each other. Season 3 on the other hand will be a completely different matter.



Nah, it's not the language barrier, it's germans. Germans are just a lot more reserved than basically any other country in the world.

Japanese would love to have a word with you.
The legend of Darien lives on
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
August 19 2012 15:06 GMT
#1418
On August 19 2012 23:58 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 23:26 Morfildur wrote:
On August 19 2012 23:24 Eladir wrote:
I think the language barrier is bigger in Germany compared to Sweden.

As for Asian non Korean teams, I wouldn't be worried a lot about them. Sure they will train relentlessly but train with who ? I don't think they are at the level required to stay at the top training each other. Season 3 on the other hand will be a completely different matter.



Nah, it's not the language barrier, it's germans. Germans are just a lot more reserved than basically any other country in the world.

Japanese would love to have a word with you.

I love going to music shows in Japan.
the p00n
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands615 Posts
August 19 2012 15:24 GMT
#1419
On August 19 2012 23:05 nojitosunrise wrote:
Pick and Ban stats

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Takkara
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2503 Posts
August 19 2012 15:43 GMT
#1420
On August 19 2012 23:00 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2012 22:56 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:54 Chiharu Harukaze wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:50 mr_tolkien wrote:
On August 19 2012 22:47 Ayush_SCtoss wrote:
Still, I'm surprised SK made it to the finals. Shit wasn't going too good for them at tourneys the past couple of weeks iirc.

They won 2 Bo3s, including one against a nearly dead team.

And their win VS CLG.eu wasn't the most convicing...

SK looked solid in their games v CLG.eu. However M5 did well to exploit SK's weaknesses and never let SK get into the game. SK should have known what M5 wanted to do and drafted a comp to deal with it. SK wanted a generic teamfight comp and nice lanes. But if you're too weak to teamfight or lane, what's the point of your comp? Not enough synergy to do something like CLG.eu style turtle out the gold deficit.

Solid != convincing.

CLG.eu played terribly VS SK, SK won because they didn't do anything stupid and let CLG.eu lose the game. Too bad they don't know how to win one !

Hm. Game 1 SK pretty much won thanks to random Smite-steal haha. Not much to say there.

Game 2 though, SK did what they needed to do right and CLG flopped. True though, Solid =/= convincing. However, it's still enough to push them up from B-Tier to A-Tier. SK used to be an easy walkover for most teams. Now whether they could stand up to say the Korean I don't know. But if they were to go to an IPL or MLG tomorrow, I'd expect them to make a reasonably deep run at least.


Saying G1 SK-CLG.eu was won due to a "random" smite steal is incredibly unfair and oversimplifying things way too much. The smite steal wasn't random, it was planned. It may have been "fortunate" or "lucky", but it wasn't random. And the game was not over at that point. SK controlled the map that game with wards, and contested almost every buff on CLG.eu's side with at least 3 players. That was not "random", that was a planned strat that was executed very well. They smothered CLG.eu in G1.

If M5 and CLG.eu had their roles reversed, SK might still have beaten M5 and then CLG.eu might still have mopped the floor with SK. However, the way it was, M5 got to see what SK had up their sleeve and then punished them for it. They were not going to overlook SK. Credit to M5 for that. However, M5 beating SK badly doesn't change how well SK prepared for CLG.eu and how well they played in that series.
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